Acme Packing Company: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Sports blogs for fans, by fans.
Around SBN: Follow the @sbnation NHL Twitter List

#36: The Number Of The Beast

Collins-butler_medium
                                   Anybody else notice a resemblance? 

I made note of it about two weeks ago.  Brandon made note of it after the Colts game.  A whole mess of people made note of it in the game thread.  What is "it"?  "It" is the emergence of Nick Collins as a top NFL safety.

 

Star-divide

Remember back in training camp when people were hoping that Aaron Rouse had developed enough so that he could take over for Nick Collins in the starting defense?  My, how far we've come from that point.

Talented, athletic defender who enters his fourth NFL season looking to progress from a reliable cover man and sure tackler in run support to a bona fide playmaker in the secondary.

- Packers.com

Nick Collins has been having a Pro Bowl caliber season. His interception return for a touch-down really busted the game open, Sunday, and he's just been solid all-around in a depleted secondary.

- PackerChatters.com

His [Nick Collins] angles are better this year and he hits hard. Everyone is talking about the new Nick Collins. Many people thought that Rouse would replace Nick Collins in the preseason but Collins managed to hang on...Nick Collins has always been the fastest person in the Packer secondary but now he's taking the right angles, catching balls and hitting hard.

- SportsBubbler.com

I guess the main point is that Collins has been a downright sensation this year.  Let's take a look at where he came from, where he's at, and where he might be headed.

Collins (25 years old) was a two-year starter at Division I-AA Bethune-Cookman in Daytona Beach, Florida.  He was forced to sit out his first year due to academic ineligibility, and started his second year as a reserve linebacker.  Later in the season he was moved to strong safety, and he became the starter there for the next two years.  Collins was named to the AP's Division I-AA All-American team in 2005, led the MEAC in interceptions, and entered the NFL Draft.

Ted Thompson's first draft as Green Bay's GM was highlighted by Aaron Rodgers free-fall to 24th overall.  Nick Collins was taken 51st overall, the first of two second-round picks (the other being Terrence Murphy) by the team.  Scouts were, shall we say, hesitant to endorse him:

Collins is very raw and will need more time than most to make the transition to the NFL. In our opinion, Collins is worth taking a chance on early on the second day of the draft but has too many question marks in terms of level of competition and polish at a single position to risk a Day one pick on.

(Sidenote: Collins and Greg Jennings are two Packers that played at smaller schools and were drafted by Ted Thompson in the second round, and both were deemed "too high" by experts.  Nobody gets to criticize Ted Thompson's scouting ability or drafting prowess.  Ever.)

Collins was taken after these other defensive backs: Adam "Don't Call Me Pacman" Jones, Antrel Rolle, Carlos Rogers, Fabian Washington, Marlin Jackson, Brodney Pool, Stanford Routt, Josh Bullocks, Corey Webster, and Ronald Bartell.  Save for Carlos Rogers and Adam Jones (the not-suspended one), it's not exactly a who's who of dominant defenders.

In their defense, the experts were right on Collins being a developmental prospect.  He had more than his share of bumps along the road in his first few seasons.  But Thompson was "righter" in that Collins has developed into a top-flight safety in the NFL.  And he was confident that Collins would get there, almost right from the start:

Upon drafting Collins, GM Ted Thompson assigned the rookie No. 36, last worn by four-time Pro Bowler LeRoy Butler; Thompson told Butler he wouldn't give out the number to just any player, tabbing Collins worthy of the honor.

Everybody remembers LeRoy Butler, don't they?  The five-time All-Pro safety (and inventor of the Lambeau Leap) was one of the foundations of the defensive unit that went to two Super Bowls, winning it in 1996.  He was a hard-hitting, versatile ball-hawk who made the NFL's 1990's All-Decade Team and hasn't (yet) been inducted into Canton.  And Nick Collins is trying to follow in his footsteps. 

Both players are similar in size and speed, although Collins seems to be the better athlete of the two.  Butler played at strong safety, whereas Collins plays free safety (partly because Atari Bigby is so well-suited for the NFL's new version of the SS), but both players are solid in both pass coverage and run support, racking up tackles and interceptions as fast as anybody.  By his fourth year, Butler had 13 interceptions.  Collins currently stands at 8, but has three of them returned for touchdowns.  Both players consistently finished in the 75-100 range in tackles, although Butler was able to get more sacks because he blitzed more (a positional difference). 

Collins is a playmaker in the Packers' defense.  He can run, he can hit, he can cover, and he's athletic enough to defend passes effectively (29 career).  Along with Charles Woodson, he is tied for the NFL lead in interceptions (along with Cortland Finnegan and Michael Griffin of the Titans).  Collins' ability combined with his work ethic make Pro Bowls an expectation rather than a possibility.

Quite simply, LeRoy Butler and Nick Collins are very similar players, and if he keeps developing his game the way he has been, Collins can certainly reach the standard set by Butler and make the Packers retire #36 with two names under it.

Poll
How good is Nick Collins going to be?
One of the best ever; start working on his Canton acceptance speech.
4 votes
He'll be great; just like LeRoy Butler, a multi-time Pro-Bowler.
27 votes
He'll be good; a solid part of the defense for a while, and a few Pro Bowls are possible.
59 votes
He's not that good; he's just gotten lucky against a few struggling teams.
5 votes
It's all luck; Collins is just keeping the seat warm for Aaron Rouse.
2 votes

97 votes | Poll has closed

0 recs  |  Comment 4 comments

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

Nick Collins is great playing over the top

He was really good playing over the top of Terrell Owens and he was great playing over the top of Reggie Wayne. He’s becoming quite Ed Reed-like after intercepting the ball.

There has been a proliferation of HBCU defensive backs in the last five years and they have been a real mixed bag. For every Antoine Bethea, there have been two Ron Bartells, so it makes me very happy to see an HBCU Defensive Back really playing great ball like Nick Collins is.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Oct 20, 2008 4:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice article...

I was listenign to him being interviewed post game on WTMJ (Bill Michaels) and last year he was really hampered not just by injury, but by his dad having cancer. He has talked about for quite a few moments with Michaels and it seemed like emotionally (and physically, since your emotions impact the physcial) he just wasn’t as into it last year as he (and we) would have hoped.

He also had effusive praise for Charles Woodson. You know, everyone ALWAYS talks about how A-Rodge was able to develop under the tutelage of one Brett Favre. But no one ever talks about how our players in the secondary, like Collins, have developed under the Double headed Hydra of Harris and the 2008 NFL Defensive Most Valuable Player Charles Woodson. Tramon, Will Blackmon and little mentioned Pat Lee and young Nick Collins have all been groomed and we see how good Tramon is.

(Makes you wonder what would have had happend with Ahmad Carroll if he had learned under real coaching and Woodson)

(And where are those people knocking secondary coach Schottenheimer???)

But to finish with collins, I would say the skies the limit with this guy, but I will say we are seeing the development of Butler, part 2

by PackFaninFL on Oct 20, 2008 7:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Collins is busting out

He’s on pace to set personal records for most INTs and pass defenses in a single season. He did return an INT for a TD back in 2006, against Rex Grossman in week 17 at Chicago. After watching that last regular season game in 2006, he was fantastic in that game, I expected him to bust out in 2007, but as PackFaninFL mentioned above, several things held him back last season. I was very critical of him last season because he rarely broke up a pass or grabbed an INT off a QB mistake, but he has done it all in 2008.

He is very comparable to LeRoy Butler. They both could have played cornerback, but they both ended up at safety. Now Collins is showing big play ability like Butler in pass coverage, but he’ll never be given a chance to pressure the QB like Butler. He was the Packers 2nd best pass rusher on that great 1996 team. Fritz Shurmer loved to bring him on the blitz. That’s no knock on Collins. Bob Sanders plays a different style of defense and doesn’t like to bring the safeties close to the line of scrimmage.

And I’ll still say that Schottenheimer isn’t a great coach. He’s on the staff because of McCarthy’s ties to Kansas City in the 1990s. Schottenheimer went through a long dead spell from the late 1990s to 2006 when every defense he touched turned to mush, including a stint when he washed out as defensive coordinator in Detroit and washed out as the Packers’ secondary coach in 2004. He’s probably fine, but he’s only as good as his players.

by Brandon on Oct 20, 2008 11:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Schottenheimer couldn't have been too bad

he coached up Dale Carter and James Hasty.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Oct 21, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to Acme Packing Company, the SBNation blog for fans of the Green Bay Packers.
Start posting about the Packers »

Join SB Nation and dive into communities focused on all your favorite teams.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Stoopshead_small
The Aftermath

Recent FanPosts

Zygi_wario_solo_small
Just had to share
Tex1_small
Tex's Friday Preview - Tampa
1001_large_small
Packer fans..check out a Video History of your team VS Bucs in Orange
Seal_small
Please protect Aaron Rodgers.
Small
Status of The Packers Post Week 8
Small
Your Proverbial Conspiracy Theory...
Image_021_small
What to make of this team
Me_at_the_vikings_game_small
Interviews with Bart Starr, Jan Stenerud, and Paul Krause up now at DN
Small
Ted Thompson for president....
Sniperjesus_small
Thanks, Packer Fans!

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Latest NFL Headlines from SB Nation

Mile High Report
Pittsburgh Steelers at Denver Broncos Saturday Injury Report
Gang Green Nation
Join Us Sunday
Field Gulls
Open College Football Thread

Manager

Acmepackingco_small Brandon

Author

Rubberducky_small Mitchell_M

Me_working_foh-icon_small RobertArthur