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KGB RELEASED!

The Green Bay Packers Press is reporting the release of Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila. Justin Harrel was activated from the PUP list to take his place.

Most of the experience and depth on the line is now gone. What was Ted thinking? KGB was a valued and hardworking player and now is counting on his young 'uns to step up again. Thompson counting on his younger players has become more and more evident in his managerial style.

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KGB release? Good, bad, thoughts?
He had it coming. He was a washed up vet.
38 votes
Horrible move by Thompson. What was he thinking?
14 votes
First Brett, now KGB? Ahh! Who next? Driver?
19 votes
www.FireTedThompson.com
13 votes

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Thats bull

Do we not like D-line depth?

Your 2008 Missouri Tigers! #14 6-2 (2-2). Next up at Baylor. Chase Coffman is a god.

by nji232 on Nov 1, 2008 2:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't offer us much depth

if he can’t play on run downs and wasn’t doing what he was supposed to be doing consistently. He’s in the same boat as a Simeon Rice at this point.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Nov 1, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This was an offseason move that was going to be made anyway

as far as I’m concerned, KGB hasn’t played for us all season thus far. He’s aging, injury prone, undersized, and only enjoyed a resurgance last year because of the outstanding DL rotation that we lost when Williams was traded and Jenkins got hurt.

This is a perfect example of what makes Ted Thompson such a good yet unpopular GM. Don’t get me wrong, KGB is a fan favorite. He’s a great guy, and certainly a hard worker. But, he wasn’t translating anything into gameday performance, and frankly was not providing the team with enough to merit a roster spot, much less his massive salary.

Was this a good move? Absolutely. KGB had a great career here and might latch on to another team as a pass rush specialist, but he was done in Green Bay, and we desperately need to find out what Justin Harrell can do. Was this a popular move? Hell no. People genuinely like the guy, and I’m sorry to see him go.

But, as I’ve said on a number of occasions (::cough:: Favre Saga ::cough::), Thompson isn’t in the business of being popular; he’s in the business of winning football games by assembling the best roster possible. While it’s unfortunate, this was a necessary move that I’m glad Thompson had the marbles to pull the trigger on at this point in the season.

"I'm so clean, cats think I sip Ajax."

by Mitchell_M on Nov 1, 2008 4:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Now we have just that much more cap room

managing the cap and assembling talent, not many are better than Ted Thompson.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Nov 1, 2008 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aren’t we already way under the cap anyway? I thought I heard that we had to spend money just to make the league mandated minimum of your cap.

I’m not arguing that KGB shouldn’t have been released at all btw. I can’t recall him even coming close to making a single play this year. I think he has had a good career with us but he has been unable to do the only thing he does well for quite some time now. I wish him luck and have good memories of him but like Mitchell said, it was a move that was gonna happen at some point. Lets see what Harrell can actually do.

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Nov 1, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

great analysis

Right on the money.

Good move? Yes.

Popular move? No.

The cap room gained is huge too. Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t Kabeer the highest paid player on the team?

"stay (green and) gold"

by Green and Bold on Nov 1, 2008 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was not the top paid

but he was in the top 5. the others are Woodson, Kampman, Clifton, and maybe Barnett, I think. In any case, his contract was huge. Theo Ratliff huge.

"I'm so clean, cats think I sip Ajax."

by Mitchell_M on Nov 1, 2008 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Theres that Bill Simmons again

Between those five contracts, two are performing at a level worthy of them. Can you guess which two?

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Nov 2, 2008 1:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m sorry for the blatant Bill Simmons-isms, I just can’t help myself. Blah blah Karate Kid blah blah gambling in Vegas blah.

I’m gonna go ahead and say Woodson and Kampman. Clifton’s getting old and banged up to the point of limiting his effectiveness, and Nick Barnett has been kidnapped.

"I'm so clean, cats think I sip Ajax."

by Mitchell_M on Nov 2, 2008 9:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

now I really start to wonder about Thompson.
Sure KGB has not been on top of his game this year, could be the age thing or his knee, not easy to say.
He might have been gone in the offseason anyway, but right now, he was the best alternative for a pure pass rush D-end. Other, younger guys could have been moved to the practice squad to make room for Harrell. And good depth and experience is probably the most important thing for a defensive line, som going down the 2nd half of the season, it’s a big key to an effective defense.
As for the cap space, 7/16’s of KGBs sallary this year will still count against the Packers, and for the remainder of his contract, a certain percentage (not sure how much) of what he would have been paid will still count against our total salarycap until he signs with another team or he files for retirement.
Overall, not a very good move by TT. (at least I think so…)
He should at least have waited until February and tried to trade him, Al Davis is probably crazy / senile enought to give up a good pick for him.

Popular move? not even close, but like someone pointed out, TT is not in the business of being popular, but in the business of winning games. The problem is, so far he’s not doing very well in that department either, we’re 4-4 ! “The other guy”, leading his new team, whom has an average running game, average recievers, less than average pass blocking and less than average defense are 5 – 3 !
We have the best / deepest WR corps in the league, and above average passblocking and defense, and not a bad running game either.
Last season, after week 9, we were 8 -1 !! and until week 7 we had the worst running game in the NFL in.

The next guy who should leave Green Bay, Ted Thompson !

The Packers should have been serious contenders this year, not .500 after half the season !

by Jarlsberg on Nov 3, 2008 12:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

that was me that made that point

about Thompson being in the business winning games.

Thing is, you might have wanted to read my full quote:

Thompson isn’t in the business of being popular; he’s in the business of winning football games by assembling the best roster possible.

Thompson’s not the one who got our major players hurt. He never lost outside containment on Felix Jones, threw three interceptions against Tampa, let Matt Ryan and Michael Turner go off, or failed to register a turnover against Tennessee.

The players and the coaches are ultimately responsible for winning and losing games. The GM just provides the coaches with the best tools for the job, and I don’t think anyone will argue that Thompson has assembled an admirable tool set. KGB was an old player that needed replacing anyway, and I commend Thompson for making the move now rather than later.

Who would you want to replace Thompson? I think that no “argument” for Ted Thompson’s removal is complete without at least some semblance of a solution.

"I'm so clean, cats think I sip Ajax."

by Mitchell_M on Nov 3, 2008 2:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

To say that KGB was our best alternative for a pure pass rush D-end is just flat out untrue. If he was playing the way that he had historically played in the past you would be correct. Unfortunately he was nothing more than a shell of himself. Trading him in the off-season is not a real alternative either. No one is going to give up anything for a past his prime pass rusher who can’t defend against the run at all, not even Al Davis. The cap space is a total non-issue this year. We are swimming in cap room so it makes no difference either way. At least Harrell did make a few tackles Sunday, including one for a loss (albeit a small one).

And as for that “other guy”, his teams record is 5-3 and our record is 4-4. Thats just one game better but take a look at the combined records for their opponents. The Jets opponents record is 26-39 while the Packers opponents record is 34-32. Thats a pretty significant difference that you choose to ignore. And your estimation of our pass blocking and our running game is very optimistic. We haven’t been able to run the ball until maybe the Seahawk game and our O-line has been a work in progress all year long.

Last year was last year. It was great year and I enjoyed every bit of it (until the NFC Championship OT) but the fact is that our opponents record last year was a combined 120-136. Thats a .468 winning percentage. The Jets this year have faced a .400 winning percentage while we have faced a .515 winning percentage. If you choose to ignore these facts then you can continue chasing TT out of town.

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Nov 4, 2008 8:00 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

thank you

for making the point about opponent’s combined records.

"I'm so clean, cats think I sip Ajax."

by Mitchell_M on Nov 4, 2008 9:43 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

sorry … 7 -1 after week 9 in 2007, forgot the bye-week :-)

by Jarlsberg on Nov 3, 2008 12:46 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Mitchell..

I probably read your full quote, it just slipped my mind when I posted my comment.
Perfect excample of how easly a quote can get twisted and missunderstood in the media.

But anyway, in no way, do I try to blame Thompson for all the injuries this year, just like Mike Sherman should not have been fired as HC after the horrible 2005 season, when the injury list was both longer and more serious than so far this year.
Sherman was a good HC, but not a very good GM.

However, Thompson is somewhat to blame for the avereage season this year, the coaching staff an players he have assembled have not been doing theire jobs good enough this year, other players might have helped out, there were several holes that could have been avoided by signing free agents. (and not nudging ledgends out the door…)
Injuries are a part of football, and is something all teams will have every year to some extent. They just have to adapt and overcome them.
None of the games the Packers have lost this year has been unwinnable, they did not get overpowered in any of them, with better exeuciton of the two most fundemental things, blocking and tackling, they could have been won. Who’s to blame for that ? coaches and players not doing their job, and management for mismanaging personel issues.
Verno, yes, I know the overall records are siginificant factors, but so is the overall talent level on those respecitve teams. And yes, I am optimistic about our pass blocking and running game, both being work-in-progess, but also clearly improved from week one.

An alternativ for a new GM if Thompson was fired? well, there are allways new and upcoming people, and even though Mike Holmgren says he wants to retire after this season, but Green Bay might be the place that could change his mind ?

by Jarlsberg on Nov 4, 2008 8:34 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

holmgren is a terrible GM

have you seen what Seattle has become?

They used to be a powerful NFC contender (built by who else? Ted Thompson). When Holmgren took over, the team stayed competitive for two seasons and immediately started to decline. No way would I want Holmgren running my front office. My head coach, sure, but not my GM.

"I'm so clean, cats think I sip Ajax."

by Mitchell_M on Nov 4, 2008 9:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Packers do have better talent overall than the Jets have but I don’t think its as large of a difference as you think. How much better are our running backs than theirs? How much better is our O-line than theirs? How much better is our D-line than theirs? I’m not saying that the Jets have better overall talent but I am saying that we are not head and shoulders better than the Jets.

Sherman was not a good HC. The 4th and 26 game destroyed him coaching-wise, imo. He was a gutless coach after that. He did deserve to go. No way Sherman would have been able to turn around that team into the NFC Championship game in 2 years. No way.

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Nov 4, 2008 10:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

HC / GM

I think both Holmgren and Sherman has proven that in todays game, it is impossible to be both HC and GM, given just the GM task, I think Holmgren would do good.

Verno, you’re absolutly right, at RB the Jets and Packers are pretty even talent wise. D-line as well, as the Packers have no depth there this year, although Kampman is way better than any Jets ends.
O-Line, I think we’re a little better of, Tausher is still solid, Clifton as well when he’s healty, inside, Scott Wells is good, and Colledge is getting a little better. The Jets have Adam Faneca and that’s it, the rest are not worth their paycheck.
At WR, the Packers are very far ahead, and LBs and D-backs as well.

Why did you have to remind me about that 4th and 26 game ?? I’ve been trying to forget that (and almost did) I’m very happy that Darren Sharper, who was mainly responsible for that disaster is with the purple sissies, let him be horrible up there !!
That screw up was way worse than any of the int’s Favre threw that game….

by Jarlsberg on Nov 4, 2008 2:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The 4th and 26 game was lost by coaching decisions, not the players

Sherman’s decisions are what cost the Packers that game. It wasn’t Favre’s aimless toss in OT, it wasn’t Sharper’s fault. Sherman’s decisions to go for it on 4th & goal at the end of the 1st half, his decision to punt instead of going for it late in the 4th quarter, the DC’s choice to sit back on 4th and 26 instead of bringing the house and forcing McNabb to get rid of the ball short and quick.etc. were the reasons that we lost the game. It never should have gotten to OT. Favre carries no blame for that game, imo, and neither does Sharper.

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Nov 4, 2008 6:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

4th & 26; Oh the nightmares

I remember this 10 second thought process:

Fourth and 26… woohoo!!.. oh my god!!! NO!

I also believe Nick Barnett failed to cover his zone assignment if memory serves me, he didn’t get up the field quick enough and didn’t protect the middle.. I think anyway; I’ve tried to block it out.

by PackaCracka on Nov 6, 2008 8:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I still don't understand

how on 4th & 26 you are not bringing 5 or 6 rushers forcing McNabb to throw to a hot route short and be able to tackle him before he picks up 15 or 20 more yards. It still makes no sense to me.

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Nov 6, 2008 10:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

because Freddie Mitchell is a beast

FEAR THE FRO-HAWK!

"I'm so clean, cats think I sip Ajax."

by Mitchell_M on Nov 6, 2008 12:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh how I LOATHE Freddie Mitchell!

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Nov 6, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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