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Packers 29, New Orleans 51

I looked back as far as the 2001 season and I still don't know the last time the Packers allowed over 50 points. It was too depressing to go back any further. But if you think this game was awful, a true sign the team doesn't have it this season, well here's some recent history.

In 2004, they allowed over 45 points three times (vs. Indianapolis, Tennessee, and Philadelphia) and still won the division with a 10-6 record (only to lose to Minnesota in the 1st round).

In 2005, they allowed 48 points to Baltimore while losing 48-3. Another Monday night disaster. This was probably the worst Packer game I ever watched. The team just quit. It probably was the final nail in Mike Sherman's coffin as the Packers' head coach.

In 2007, they lost 35-7 at Chicago. This one really stands out after watching the loss at New Orleans. The special teams had a historically bad game, but the offense was lousy and the defense couldn't stop Chicago when it mattered. They just found a lot of ways to lose the game. They still managed to make it to the NFC Championship game.

The good news is that this game only counts as one loss. The team in 2004 and in 2007 overcame similar losses to make the playoffs. The 2005 game doesn't matter because the 2008 Packers didn't quit the entire game. They played very hard until the end. The playoffs are still in sight, but the remaining NFC North games against Chicago and Detroit are must wins for the tiebreakers. Chicago and Minnesota are, just like the Packers, losing every other week, which could set up all three teams at 8-8. But the Packers, with wins against Chicago in week 16 and Detroit in week 17 would have the best record against the NFC North at 5-1. That might be the difference and get them into the playoffs.

What happened in the loss to New Orleans was a lot like the loss last season at Chicago. They lost in a lot of different ways. The entire team came together to lose this game. All these problems have been there all season, but never before have they all come together in one game.

  • QB Aaron Rodgers. It was arguably his worst game. It might not have been statistically because he did throw for 2 TDs and run for another. But he only completed 56% of his passes and threw 3 INTs against one of the worst pass defenses in the NFL. His first INT with 7:52 left in the 3rd quarter was the death blow. He was going to need to keep scoring TDs to keep up with New Orleans. Still it's hard to fault a guy who led the team on four TD scoring drives. His struggles were just part of the story.
  • RB Ryan Grant and the offensive line. Nothing horrible stands out about his performance of 18 carries for 67 yards. But it's not a great. And it came against an average run defense. I counted 7 carries for 2 yards or less, including 2 for negative yards. On 40% of his carries, he struggled to get past the line of scrimmage. Again, it's nothing awful, but he had been running so well the past three games. This wasn't a good game to have a poor one.
  • DE Aaron Kampman and the defensive line. Kampman got pressure on QB Drew Brees a few times, but no other defensive lineman did. Plus New Orleans would block Kampman with TE Billy Miller, Kampman would let Miller release, and before Kampman could get anywhere near Brees, the ball would be thrown to a wide open Miller. As good as he was at times, his overpursuit was a problem on some plays too. The rest of the defensive line worked hard, but had little to show for their effort.
  • Linebackers. LB A.J. Hawk has been battling a few injuries this season. They must still be affecting him. His speed is just gone. It's hard to watch him lag behind as the TEs and RBs blow by him on passing routes. LB Brady Poppinga has always been the weak link on defense, but luckily the Packers have locked him up for the next 5 years. LB Brandon Chillar made a couple big plays; the only sack on Brees and the hit on WR Lance Moore that led to New Orleans' only turnover on a trick play. Still I'm no big fan of Chillar because he doesn't seem to have much speed. GM Ted Thompson is going to have to draft some new linebackers next season and either hope Hawk and Barnett rebound next season or let the young guys take over.
  • Secondary. Everyone who watched the game noticed this. CB Charles Woodson blitzed in the 1st quarter, he left Moore wide open, and he ran around a couple defenders for a big 70 yard TD. Moore also had a 16 yard TD that was all because of his running. It didn't help that S Nick Collins lost his shoe on the play and couldn't keep up. Until this game, Moore wasn't known as a receiver who ran for a lot of yards after the catch. The 70 yard TD reception also showed off S Atari Bigby's lack of speed and he was replaced by S Aaron Rouse shortly thereafter. Although Rouse had the only INT, he also took a bad angle on (another) 70 yard TD pass, this time to WR Marques Colston, and he too showed off his lack of speed. Rouse was then injured and replaced by Bigby for the duration. Woodson was beat on Colston's TD pass, but Brees had an awful long time to throw on that play. Three big plays allowed by a group that had only allowed a couple big plays all season long. They've been playing out of their minds this season. It was a tough matchup, against a QB on pace for a record setting season. Brees has yet to have a QB rating under 116.7 this season in the Superdome. It was a big challenge, but they, along with the rest of the team, picked a bad week to have their worst game. 
  • Special teams. P Derrick Frost was awful, again. How can he have such a weak leg indoors? The kick coverage allowed a big return by KR Courtney Roby at the end of the 2nd half which set up a FG. KR Will Blackmon probably had the best game of anyone with a great punt return and great coverage on punts and kickoffs.

 

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Did this loss officially end the season?
No way, the NFC North is a weak division
28 votes
No, but they can't lose another game
47 votes
Yes, this team can't possibly make the playoffs
29 votes

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LOL

cant beat a dismal saints team, packers got their ass handed to them and it was a lovely sight.

The announcers were kissing cheese ass like they are the 07 packers with favre, even considered the saints beating them an upset.
the one suprise i had was the packers actually managed to stop their run, less then 100 yards rushing for the whole saints team….. wish is something short of a miracle for the packers defense

by NativeViking on Nov 25, 2008 7:49 AM CST reply actions  

There's your typical Viqueens fan

Showing their (cl)ass

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Nov 25, 2008 7:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I almost

interwebbed over and puked on your board last week, like you did here, when Jeff Garcia showed your team what a QB looks like. But I didn’t. I kind of wish I would have now.

by PackaCracka on Nov 25, 2008 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Ugh.

I would like to personally apologize for this post. Please, please don’t let this make you think all Vikings fans are like.

That was very classless by him and by no means represents 95% of Vikings fans in reality.

Visit:
http://www.vikingvigil.com

Skol Vikings!
Woot Woot!

by Manimal on Nov 25, 2008 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Meant to say...

“Please, please don’t let this make you think all Vikings fans are like this.”

Oops. Don’t really like that sentence anyway, but oh well.

Visit:
http://www.vikingvigil.com

Skol Vikings!
Woot Woot!

by Manimal on Nov 25, 2008 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks

The cordial cross-border apology is appreciated. It’s easy to get blood rushing to the head. Bad losses happen to all teams at some point.

by Brandon on Nov 25, 2008 10:29 PM CST up reply actions  

As Brandon said, the game turned on the first INT to Jason David. Our D was playing very poorly and showing an inability to stop anyone but if the INT isn’t thrown there and we can go down and score and bring it back to a 3 point game we have a completely different game. Instead they score and make a 10 point game a 17 game really quickly. Tough to come back from there, especially when you throw another pick and they make it a 24 point game. I was happy to see that they did not give up at all but that was a very tough game to watch. Kampman seems to be the only guy on the D-line getting any pressure at all. Our front 7 on the defense is playing terribly.

I’m done mentioning Frost. He’s embarrassing.

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Nov 25, 2008 7:50 AM CST reply actions  

Seattle.

He’s hitting bombs and getting teams pinned inside the 20 after a horrible start to his Seahawks career (shanked punts, touchbacks galore).

Seattle, the world's worst sports city.

by SSreporters on Nov 25, 2008 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Just checking in from Cat Stratch Reader

both of our teams got embarrassed this weekend. I was pulling for you guys against the Saints, I’d rather play you after you win than lose. This weekend may turn into a defensive match as both defenses will have something to prove.

Should be a good game.

by LittleKing on Nov 25, 2008 2:48 PM CST reply actions  

Big game for both teams

Carolina’s 8 wins look pretty good, but that NFC South is a dog fight and they can’t lose too many more. It might be bad timing for the Panthers. The Packers are on-and-off every other week, and next week is the Packers’ on week.

by Brandon on Nov 25, 2008 10:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Embarrasing ...

Watching the MNF game was embarrasing for us Packer fans.
Our defense got humilitated out there, ok, we knew our run defense was struggeling, but they acutally held up better than the pass defense for this game. Maybe beacuse the Saints didn’t run to much before the 4th. Stating the obvisous, we need more dept / better players at D-line, now’s a really good time to ask why TT didn’t resign Corey Williams? why he released KGB ? or why he didn’t address this problem in free agency?
The D-line didn’t get consistant pressure on Brees (ok, Saints have good O-line) and they get pusehd back into the LB’s on runs. The only guy who’s holding his ground and getting to the QB is Aaron Kampman, but now, teams can double team him and play single on the rest. Justin Harrel is starting to look like a draft bust.
The D-line are the ones who causes most of the defensive struggles, they don’t hold their ground on the run, and the D-backs can’t cover forever.

The offense started out good, getting some production in the first half, in the 2nd, they did nothing, until garbage time. It looks like we’re going back to the black and blue days, having Grant pounding the ball, but he can’t do it every down by him self, we need a change-of-pace RB, type Brandon Jacobs, big power runner, that need will prove it self when it gets even colder. Remember the running treath we had back in the days of Green/Davenport + we had a QB who was not affraid to audible and go deep at any given time.
Is Aaron Rodgers good enough to start in the NFL ? Yes, by far, but right now, he’s struggeling in his first year starting, like many predicted. The defenses have figured him out, so for him to become a factor, he needs to adjust/ develop in to the player he was expected to be, otherwise, he’ll become an average QB. Safe to say we’d be a lot better of with the old guy for this year.
This was probably his worst game as a starter, he got nothing going against a less than average defense, this was not like the Minnesota game, were didn’t have protection, he had plenty of time to throw, he just couldn’t find the open guy.

Kick / Punt return did not produce like they usually do. the Punteing situations speaks for it self, I think it’s safe to say why the Redskins released him. Jon Ryan is a lot better than what Frost has been.

I also hoped I was done with the unfair intentional grounding call on Rodgers in Minnesota, and I was, until Brees didn’t get flagged for it Monday night, being dragged down by Kampman, he dumped it in the legs of his O-line, that is an excact type of situation why they wrote the rule . Not that it would have changed the outcome of the game, but that should have been called.

by Jarlsberg on Nov 26, 2008 9:32 AM CST reply actions  

I think the biggest problem on Monday was the pass rush.

Any secondary will get picked apart by a good quarterback with time to throw. Brees was very good, and should get a lot of credit, but if our secondary is so great, why can’t we play man and rush 5 or 6 guys?

I cringed every time I say that 3 man rush and zone defense. I swear I saw it on a 3rd and 10 that got converted, and then again on a 3rd and 15 that was converted 2 minutes later.

One other area that has been bugging me. According to Football Outsiders last week. The Packers 1st half offense was 2nd in the league going into Monday’s game and was 18th in the 2nd half. They are probably still at least 2nd thanks to their 21 first half points and have probably dropped in their 2nd half offensive production.

That speaks to half time adjustments or lack thereof. I’ll have to dig to find out how the defense has been doing from half to half.

by grant76 on Nov 26, 2008 11:09 AM CST reply actions  

The pass rush could have been better, but Brees didn’t need time to throw. Woodson would blitz unblocked, but Brees would find Lance Moore (who Woodson just left) wide open. Kampman would block the TE, TE would release so Kampman could rush unblocked, and Brees completes the pass before Kampman gets to him. The secondary also allowed the receivers to run after the catch. Moore ran for at least 80 yards and Colston ran for at least 50 on his big catch. Moore hadn’t been known for getting yardage after the catch, but he killed the Packers. The defense played back on their heels, but New Orleans played great.

I think the Packers are slow coming out of halftime too. Just looking back at the previous three losses before New Orleans (Minnesota, Tennessee, and Atlanta), they had 4 punts, 3 turnovers, and 1 field goal combined in the 3rd quarter. They aren’t making any adjustments lately that are working.

by Brandon on Nov 29, 2008 12:09 AM CST up reply actions  

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