Thank you Mike McCarthy

by TarHeelHawk on Nov 30, 2008 3:51 PM CST Comment 11 comments

For taking the conservative route and kicking the field goal. Heaven forbid you go for it, and at the worst make Carolina go the length of the field with 1 timeout. Kick coverage had been atrocious all day, yet for some reason you decided to roll the dice when everyone in the stands and everyone watching on tv knew what would happen.

Sorry if I'm a debbie downer, but thats how I feel, and I doubt that I'm the only one. Deciding to kick the field goal was the epitomy of playing not to lose.

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you're not alone..

I agree that call was to conservative.

I would also like to extend the thanks to the other two Stooges, for not taking Favre back, not resigning Corey Williams, not signing some significant free agents, and basically rolling the dice on the sucess of this season on a unproven QB.

So far Rodgers has proved he can lead the team and play well when everyting is rolling their way, but he’s yet to lead them to a comeback win, he’s yet to win a close game. He had a good chance today, but with loads of time and two time outs, he chooses a risky toss up that gets intercepted, he should at least go for Jordy Nelson on the outside, that would not get picked. But he had more than enough time to go the distance with shorter passes.

This loss pretty much closes the door for the playoffs this year.

the three Stooges should start to look for new jobs !

by Jarlsberg on Nov 30, 2008 4:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Did you see Favre play today?

He was horrendous. When we were down 11 to start the second half he would have thrown two picks trying to get all 11 on one play. Corey Williams was traded, not allowed to sign elsewhere and please point me to some of the significant free agents we could have picked up. Rodgers led us to a come from behind win against Detroit in week two. If Favre had thrown that pick in the last 2 minutes he would have been just trying to make a play I suppose.

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Nov 30, 2008 6:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

a come from behind win against Detroit

There’s one to hang your hat on. Ironically, it seems as if Rodgers throwing picks is just trying to make a play or its the fault of the receivers.

A lot of players changed teams as trades or free agents – that’s pretty much a thread unto itself.

by ol Pete on Dec 1, 2008 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Jarls -

what is your obsession with Rodgers as the problem with this year’s team? Rodgers is not why the Packers are 5-7 instead of having 2 to 3 more wins – as this website has consistently (and correctly) pointed out – it’s the horrible run defense and special teams coverage. Rodgers played his guts out in adverse weather and against a hella good pass defense to turn a 11 point deficit into a 7 point lead late in the game. Even when the defense blew that lead, Rodgers led the team right down to the one-yard line. It certainly isn’t Rodgers fault that McCarthy made such conservative calls on the first and goal. Was it Rodgers fault that Wells snapped the ball over his head? Other than a late, desperate interception that should have never even been necessary, Rodgers played a flawless game.

Really man, get off the Favre worship already, he couldn’t have done anything more than Rodgers to win that game yesterday. If you want to point fingers, do it towards the defense and the special teams, not the quarterback or the offense overall.

by 400metres on Dec 1, 2008 11:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Unfortunately

Its too easy for people (and not just Jarlsberg) to simply point to the fact that we have a different QB this season as to why our record is so different this year. It ignores the defense, special teams, injuries, difference in schedule, etc. but its the easy way out to simply “know” that Favre would have us 9-3 or 10-2 right now.

I would like the Favre loyalists to answer this for me. It seems to me that Rodgers has played pretty well this year, good enough that I don’t think there would be much of a difference in QB performance with Favre at QB. If the Packers had taken Favre back and he was QB’ing the team and our record was somewhere about 5-7 or 6-6, what would you be saying then? The injuries would still have happened, the defense would still be substandard, and the special teams would still be a problem. If we had put Rodgers back on the bench to back up Favre and then had a season like this one, where would we be?

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Dec 1, 2008 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Aaron...

is not the problem. The problem is that for the 2nd week in a row, the Packers defense has been asleep when the team needed them the most. This team can score points with anyone in the league, but can’t stop anyone when they have to.

by TarHeelHawk on Nov 30, 2008 5:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I agree wholeheartedly about the play call

Going for a TD was the only call there. I wish we would have gone play-action on 3rd down and gone for it on 4th if it hadn’t worked. As you said the kick coverage was abysmal all game and you knew that they would at least have the ball on the 40 to start their drive. But as bad as the last couple of minutes were lets not forget the bad snap by Wells at the end of the first half that gave them what would turnout to be the go ahead score. Instead of putting some more points on the board or at least running out the clock we gave them 7 points. Can’t do that in a game with your season on the line.

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Nov 30, 2008 6:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Favre...

is not relavent to this discussion, although the pick that Rodgers threw to end the game was vintage #4 – trying to force it regardless of the circumstances. Aaron put the team on his back in the 2nd 1/2 of the game, but the defense let him down. That and one chickenshit playcall from the head coach.

McCarthy’s job is to give the team the best chance he can to win the game, and he didn’t do that today. Kicking the field goal was the safe call, the sensible call – but given how the special teams had performed up to that point (they hadn’t), it was the wrong call.

by TarHeelHawk on Nov 30, 2008 9:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I wrote my reply before I saw how Favre played. Not his best game with the Jets, but it might have helped if his recievers weren’t still sucking gravy of their fingers, they dropped a lot of balls. And the Jets defense stunk worse than ours.

I agree Aaron Rodgers is not a problem, his inexperience is, Sure ol’ # 4 has tossed a lot of those picks, but that’s not the point here. there are a lot more to look at than just the numbers they put up.
There’s no other QB I’d rather have leading a team down by 4 and with 1.30 left in the game.

We have much bigger problems, kick coverage, defensive line, punter and the three stooges.

Free agents that could have helped the Packers:
Michael Turner
T.J Ducket
Damien Woody
Javon Kearsy
Alge Crumpler

… and re-signing Corey Williams
but Thompson is not willing to spend any money to get some good players.

PS…. We were down by one point for excactly 2.24 minutes in the 4th against the Lions, that does not count as a comeback in my book, plus the defense sealed it with two interceptions returned for 6 later in the game.

by Jarlsberg on Dec 1, 2008 2:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Free agents:
Michael Turner (done very well in Atlanta but we would have had to beat a 6 year $35 million deal with $15 million guaranteed. That scares me for a RB. Especially when we got Ryan Grant last year for a 6th rd pick and drafted Brandon Jackson in the 2nd round the year before)

TJ Duckett (is worthless. He has run for a whopping 137 yards this year for a 2.9 ypc average. How he could help us is beyond me. I’d rather give the ball to Kory Hall and John Kuhn 20 times a game)

Damien Woody (an aging guard is not who I would want to give a 5 year $25 million deal)

Javon Kearse (if we could have gotten him cheap it would have been worthwhile but he hasn’t really done much in the past few years)

Alge Crumpler (we signed Donald Lee to a long term deal last year so why sign an older TE coming off a serious injury?)

Corey Williams (again) was not allowed to sign elsewhere, he was traded for a 2nd rd pick that we used this year. I liked Corey Williams a bunch and having him to add depth to the D tackles would be great but we ended up with Jordy Nelson, Brian Brohm, and Patrick Lee in the 2nd rd this year. I don’t know which pick was with the Browns choice (please inform me if anyone knows) but I’m really happy with Nelson, Brohm needs time to develop before an evaluation can be made, and Lee looks like he can contribute in the secondary in the future.

I’ll grant you the Lions “comeback” was not a typical comeback but it was a 4th quarter comeback nonetheless.

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Dec 1, 2008 12:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Rodgers is not the problem..

yeah we are only 5-7 with a team that was only one game away. BUT this season has been a team loss. If Crosby makes a FG we beat MN thats 6-6 the TN game if game if the D could make a play 7-5 if McCarthy rolls the dice a bit or even if SP teams could not let them start at the 45 we could have won this week! we would be 8-4 and looking at the playoffs! and none of this had the name Rodgers in it. is he easy to blame yeah? is he to blame?some of it but is he the only one to blame? no! he has played good all year he has made some mistakes that have been costly at times. But when did Favre not? Aaron does need to improve but so does the whole team even the coaching!! especially in those close games! but as the playoffs grow farther from us just lok at it positively he was able to do something Brett could not do at all last year. Aaron will also have another shot at doing it again! that is BEATING the BEARS!!!

by bizzle4 on Dec 3, 2008 8:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs