It's the Run Defense Stupid!
I feel like I'm the only one who watched the game when I go around to the traditional media websites. It starts with Mike McCarthy's Monday press conference when he said he was "disappointed offensively with the red zone production". Then the Press-Gazette has a story with the headline "red-zone failure begin with Rodgers" and the Journal-Sentinel has the headline "Rodgers, offense stumble inside foes' 20-yard line."
Go read that junk if you want to blame QB Aaron Rodgers. He had two mistakes; first an INT in the Titans' end zone, and then a fumble deep in Packer territory. Not a perfect game. There were a bunch of other plays when he didn't make the perfect play. A lot of players were great at Tennessee, but I can't think of a single one that had a perfect game. I don't expect each game to be perfect, and they don't have to be perfect to win every game.
He had a great game. But it was the first time all season a QB threw for over 300 yards against the Titans, and his TD pass was only the 4th they've allowed in the first 8 games. Football Outsiders said Rodgers was the 6th best QB on Sunday.
The unit that came up short at Tennessee was the run defense.
The Packers are currently 30th in the NFL and allow 4.9 yards per rush attempt. By that standard, it was an average day for the run defense as Tennessee rushed for 4.9 yards/carry. Unfortunately none of the reporters asked specifically about the awful run defense in the press conference on Sunday or Monday, but they did ask about how DT Justin Harrell played in his first game back:
(Did you have a chance to watch Harrell at all, evaluate him?)
He was OK. He was OK. The one big run, he gets cut off from his gap responsibility.
It's unusual for McCarthy to specifically mention that a player screwed up. As I mentioned above, he said he was disappointed with the red-zone offense, but he didn't mention a single player in his response. Gap responsibility is something McCarthy has previously mentioned as a problem this season.
So the Packers are allowing 4.9 yards/carry and 146.4 yards/game, both lousy. I'm focusing on 3 losses; Tampa Bay, Atlanta, and Tennessee. In all three games, the run defense was bad and it folded late. Rodgers had a late pick in both the Tampa Bay and Atlanta games, but I'm still focused on the run defense because they knew those teams would run right at them and they still couldn't stop them.
| Teams | Total Rushing Yards Allowed | Yards/Carry | Rushing Yards Allowed on the Last Two Possessions | Yards/Carry on the Last Two Possessions | Points Allowed on Last Two Possessions | Final Score |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Tampa Bay | 178 | 4.3 | 78 | 7.1 | 10 | 21-30 |
| Atlanta | 176 | 4.9 | 37 | 6.2 | 10 | 24-27 |
| Tennessee | 178 | 4.9 | 54 | 5.4 | 3 | 16-19 |
That's not a misprint. In all 3 losses, the run defense allowed (almost) the same yardage in each loss. And when I say the last two possessions, I'm not counting the last possession when Tampa Bay and Atlanta just had to kneel down. All three games were decided late when the run defense couldn't get the job done.
I'm not posting this to claim that the Packers should be 7-1. The Packers deserve their 4-4 record because they have a lousy run defense.
McCarthy isn't shuffling the lineup. He's putting the same guys out there every week, although he is giving LB Brandon Chillar more playing time at LB A.J. Hawk's expense. He believes in his players, but he knows they aren't getting the job done. I agree with him. It's not time to scrap the run defense and start over. It's time to coach these players, and adjust the defensive scheme. These guys can play a lot better.
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I blame them all
Basically, they could have sent the Titans to Cabo and just put Chris Johnson vs Green Bay Packers and I bet Chris Johnson smokes them. They just paid no attention to this guy and he ran around them, by them, over them.. totally RIDICULOUS!
If anyone/any unit is to blame, it has to be Nick Barnett. Once again he is the Invisible Man, over-pursuing, over-thinking, over-reacting and taking himself out of plays.
Oh and of course, they release one of the greatest Packer defenders to ever put on Green and Gold just a few days before this important, season turning game. Why the terrible timing to just put to the curb such a locker room presence like KGB? I didn’t get this move at all.
by PackaCracka on Nov 4, 2008 10:11 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Are you suggesting
that having KGB in the locker room on Sunday would have won the game for us? I’m willing to give you that he might have a good locker presence, but he would have to be the very best locker room guy ever to make up for the fact that he hasn’t done anything on the field at all this year. KGB was a very good pass-rusher for the Pack over the years but one of the best Packer defenders ever has to play against the run as well as the pass. Reggie White played both, Leroy Butler played both, etc. I am not trying to trash KGB at all, but lets not have revisionist history and remember him as one of the greatest Packer defenders of all time.
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Nov 4, 2008 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just saying
that as “locker room guy”, KGB was very important. He was close to many of the players, knows their families and is intertwined with them spiritually, emotionally, etc.. He did lose his burst a bit, with an injured knee that is aging it’s hard to keep that burst. He did have 13 tackles and 0.5 sacks through eight games while playing pretty sparingly, so it wasn’t like he was useless.
So to just cut someone who has been a staple of them teams pass-rushing over the years on the eve of a massively important game.. naa.. didn’t have any effect at all! <—— sarcasm!
by PackaCracka on Nov 4, 2008 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't agree with you more Brandon
This loss does not fall on Rodgers shoulders, or any one individual player for that matter. More sustained and consistent offense would have made a difference. I thought the defense as a whole played good, but thats only when you average together a good pass D and a bad run D. The run D this year has been atrocious to say the least. Giving up 4.9 yds a carry is embarrassing. Lets see if they can rebound and have a good showing against the Vikings and the Bears.
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Nov 4, 2008 10:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thoroughly Agree
“…they knew those teams would run right at them and they still couldn’t stop them.”
When the Titans got the ball in OT, every football viewer in the free world knew they were going to run the ball right at the packers – yet the Packers couldn’t stop em. It was infuriating.
I think something needs to be done with the run D. You can’t go far in the NFL without being able to do something as basic and fundamental as stopping the run.
The only hope the team has to anywhere this year is to fix the run D NOW.
by Franchi$e on Nov 4, 2008 11:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree
I was one of those guys focusing on the Oline allowing 4 sacks in the second half, I believe, but you are right, this defense has been a big big failure against the run. This is the vaunted defense that was supposed to take the next level.
I mean the Packers had only 2 turnovers…that’s not too good, but not a disaster…allowing 180 yards on the ground IS a disaster
But I have to be honest with you, its a lot, A LOT easier to “fire a scheme” rather than fire all 7 players up front. But I am starting to think that it’s a personnel issue, not a scheme issue…doesn’t Tennessee have the same scheme as we do? We all saw the indy game where pickett and jolly and even cole batted down passes, controlled the line of scrimage…but that’s it. Just one game it seems. And the linebackers have been absolutely invisible….To me, its more a personnel issue.
Oh but Kampman is still Kampman from what I can tell….maybe some of you see differently.
Oh and I still love Hawk and Barnett and Jolly and all of them, I just wish they would get their act together!
by PackFaninFL on Nov 4, 2008 11:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Titans O-line is definitely better than the Colts O-line. I’m not sure its as much of a personnel issue either, though. We haven’t really changed much personnel wise since last year (minus some depth, primarily at DT) and we did a pretty good job against the run last year. I’m not sure what the problem is but it does need immediate fixing. As you said, giving up 180 rushing yards is a disaster. That can’t continue.
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Nov 4, 2008 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
I remember how Mike Montgomery was sealed in by the tight end which help spring felix jones on his 60 yard run in the Dallas game ….and then on the big run by Lendale White, it seems that Justin Harrell was in the game…so I think the injuries to top guys (Jenkins was rating hiring than kampman before his injury) is probably a big part of it…and the inexperience of guys like Harrell…
Although to his credit, Montgomery led the team with 8 tackles and a sack against Tennessee.
Also, Tennessee’s big Oline is real good and they an awesome running back duo…I mean containing those guys all game long is probably a tall order for most defenses. So we should at least enter that into the equation….
But as Brandon said, last year Barnett was playing at a pro bowl level…we all saw it….and now it’s like he has disappeared…the linebacker play has been pretty average all around…
by PackFaninFL on Nov 4, 2008 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
I was forgetting about the big Felix Jones run. I was misunderstanding you, I guess, when you said it was a personnel issue. The injuries definitely made the personnel issues stand out a lot more. Point taken.
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Nov 4, 2008 6:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As a Vikings fan
I can honestly say I’d love it if your run D kept up its behavior for when you come into the dome versus AD and CT. Cheers.
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 4, 2008 1:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Quiet, you.
"I'm so clean, cats think I sip Ajax."
by Mitchell_M on Nov 4, 2008 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully we can control Most of the Day Peterson the same way we have in our previous meetings. I would be more concerned about your D-line with the Williams guys potentially out for suspensions and Allen probably missing the game as well. Although Allen was pretty non-existent in the opener, so no big loss there
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Nov 4, 2008 6:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All signs point to us
Having all three of those people. Plus we now have a gasp passing game?! Should be a good game.
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 5, 2008 10:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Edit
Reported that Allen has 3rd degree sprain and likely out for 2 weeks. We’ll see though.
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 5, 2008 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nfl.com
has an interesting Anatomy of a Play this week illustrating the poverty of our run defense at the LB positions.
by rudi on Nov 5, 2008 8:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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