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Looking Ahead: The State of the Green Bay CB Corps

I was planning on saving this post for the off-season, but given the current state of events regarding Al Harris, it seems to me that the question is fair game right now.

What do the Packers do to fill the void at CB once Harris and Woodson are gone?  They've provided great coverage for a few seasons (despite Al Harris' alleged decline since 2005), and are solid starters in the secondary.  But they won't be for long, as both players are past 30 and are at the point in their respective careers where their athleticism and skill set starts to diminish.  So who's to take their place?

This post will focus more on this season, due to Al Harris' major injury, one I hope that he recovers fully from.  The first step in this process is to take a look at everyone on the current roster:

 

27 Will Blackmon CB 23 6-0 206 3 Boston College
24 Jarrett Bush CB 24 6-0 200 3 Utah State
 
22 Pat Lee CB 24 6-0 194 R Auburn
38 Tramon Williams CB 25 5-11 191 2 Louisiana Tech
21 Charles Woodson CB 31 6-1 202 11 Michigan
26 Charlie Peprah DB 25 5-11 202 3 Alabama

 

 That big ol' hole in the middle is where Al Harris used to be.  Let's take this player by player, starting with...

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We all know what Chuck can do, even on those fragile feet of his.  No worries this season.  As long as he can move, he'll be fine; he didn't win the Heisman for nothing.

However, he is on the wrong side of 30, which is when cornerbacks start to degrade athletically, and it probably will happen to him at some point.  His skills, on the other hand, will probably remain at the same level, providing that he works to maintain them, and would therefore merit him a starting job in the secondary.

My belief was, before Nick Collins and Atari Bigby established themselves as decent starters, that Charles Woodson would play CB as long as he could manage it, and when his speed started to diminish, he could be moved to free safety.  Think about it, a player with as much experience and savvy, not to mention the DB skill set, that he has?  I think he'd be a perfect candidate for the switch, a la Troy Vincent at the end of his career.  But, because of the aforementioned (and youthful) starters at both safety spots, this is a less likely outcome, and Chuck will probably play out his career at CB until he decides to hang it up.  Hopefully, he remains a viable starter so he can stay in Green Bay, but if he starts to erode, don't think that Thompson would be afraid to cut him loose.  Verdict: Still a top CB, and should be for a few more seasons.

Moving on...

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Ladies and gentlemen, your new starting cornerback!  In all fairness, Tramon Williams is good.  Pretty good, in fact.  He has played relatively well in the short time he's been allotted, going back to last season.  He's no longer a rookie, so he's got some experience, and won the nickel job in the preseason despite being the smallest CB on the roster.  However, one concern I have, from ESPN.com's scouting report:

He doesn't always stay in phase with receivers downfield and is not real natural with his back to the quarterback. He can and will get overpowered downfield versus bigger receivers.

That's what worries me, especially in the physical in-your-face bump and run type style that the GB scheme calls for.  A smaller corner is at a disadvantage against the big NFL recievers, especially a Calvin Johnson or...ok, Green Bay doesn't have to worry about any mammoth WR's for most of the season.  In any case, it's something I worry about.  Can he hold up for the rest of the season?  I hope so.  But, then again, how bad could it beVerdict: Best option right now, but on a short leash.

Next!

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Will Blackmon is arguably the best athlete out of the bunch.  His ability as a kick returner has already been proven, and the guy even played some wide reciever at Boston College.  He also seems to make plays, as evidenced by the forced fumble on Marion Barber III last Sunday.  I certainly have no problem with his coverage ability; the only reason I think he didn't get the nickel job is because the coaches wanted to keep him fresh for kick/punt returns.

But (there's always a but), he is a teensy bit injury prone.  That left foot, especially, with two breaks in two years, is very troublesome to me.  If what they say is true, and that his problems were just bad luck and he can keep from dropping weights on it or kickboxing traffic lights, then he certainly deserves consideration for the starting job...if healthy.    Verdict: Has the tools, just needs a chance.

Next up...

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Pat Lee hasn't been on the active roster this season...yet.  All signs point to him finally getting some action, which is good, considering his draft position.  He played pretty well at Auburn, and he played the same type of physical man-to-man style that Woodson and Harris play, making him an ideal replacement down the line if he can develop properly.  But is he ready now?

Probably not.  I think throwing Lee in the game this soon would be a mistake; stunting his development is the last thing that we would need.  I see him as the first replacement for Harris after he retires (if he can return) in the next four years, which is a major step for the long-range success of the defense.  But, again, that assumption is completely predicated on his development, a story that we will have to watch for at least another season.  Verdict: Not yet, but soon.

Who's next?

 

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Ahh, Jarrett Bush.  Good size, good speed, good in press coverage...so what happened?  The 2008 preseason happenned.  Bush was in a slump seemingly since mini-camp, which opened the door for fellow CB's Williams and Blackmon to state their cases and move ahead of him on the depth chart.  No doubt, Bush will get PT in nickel and dime packages.  But past that, he hasn't proved that he's worthy of the starting spot.  Verdict:  Not unless Woodson gets hurt too.

And finally...

 

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The caption for this should be something along the lines of Charlie Peprah apologizing profusely for a blown assignment while McCarthy tells him what to do with his apology.  I don't know why the team decided to keep Peprah instead of Tyrone Culver, and so far we haven't seen any reason for it either.  It may be because of his versatility (he's listed as DB on the roster, and regularly contributes at safety), which is a characteristic that Thompson and McCarthy love in football players.  He's decent as a backup safety, but he will probably get consideration at corner if the position thins out anymore.  Verdict: Only as a last resort.

So there you have it.  Tramon Williams has already been given the nod, with Will Blackmon and Jarrett Bush filling in on nickel and dime packages, with Charlie Peprah sprinkled in and maybe, just maybe, some dabbles of Pat Lee.  After this season, who knows?  Post your thoughts in the comments section.

UPDATE: Al Harris is one tough mofo.  Apparently, his injury may not be as serious as previously thought.  Check out the update at the bottom of Seifert's post for some serious machismo.

 

Poll
Who will finish the season as the starter opposite Charles Woodson?
Tramon Williams
14 votes
Pat Lee
0 votes
Will Blackmon
8 votes
Jarrett Bush
0 votes
Charlie Peprah
0 votes
Someone else
2 votes

24 votes | Poll has closed

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I think you hit it on the head...

Williams will be the next man in and then just piece it together from there. I truly believe we’ll be fine through all of this and part of me is convinced that Thompson is looking around for a guy that can step in and at least ease the depth. Losing Harris for any extended period of time isn’t going to be great but I don’t think it will be horrible either.

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by mkcubs21 on Sep 24, 2008 3:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow

That is some serious dedication from Harris. I admire it big time but its probably a good thing that the doctor had enough of a conscience not to perform the surgery

Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay

by verno329 on Sep 24, 2008 9:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Excellent work per usual Mitchell

It seems to me that we have been drafting CB’s without any success for nearly a decade. Thank goodness we got Al Harris and picked up Woodson via FA. Can you imagine what it would be like if we had to have guys like Ahmad Carroll and Bhawoh Jue and Joey Thomas out there the past two years? The last corner we drafted that was good was Mike McKenzie. That was a long time ago. If we can’t draft well there then we are gonna have to overpay for average FA corners for years to come. I am confident that Tramon Williams can be ok but I’d much rather have Harris out there, even if he is slipping a little.

Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay

by verno329 on Sep 24, 2008 9:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Tramon Williams effort against Dallas shouldn't be understated

he played well relative to the circumstances. He’ll do a fine job replacing Harris. Too bad Jarrett Bush will have to focus on playing corner instead of playing more at safety. He won’t be that bad either. I thought the second half of 2007 he definitely improved. Pat Lee is very green, but I think he showed that he really brings the skill set the Packer coaches want out of a corner, being that he’s not too short and played lots of man at Auburn.
The secret to winning in the NFL: Cornerback is not a position of great importance as much as the Receivers, Quarterbacks, Left Tackles, D-Tackles, and pass rushing ends are. Its not at the level of little importance as the running back position is, but overpaying for corners should not be a big concern. If anybody proved that it was the 2004 Patriots who won with Troy Brown having to fill in at corner.
What about the bad games corners can have. We all think Antonio Cromartie is a fine cornerback and has freakish athleticism, but he played as poor a game a corner could play against Brandon Marshall in week 2. What about Nnamdi Asomoghou? He locks down a teams top receiver and QB’s just go to their second option who’s probably beaten Deangelo Hall, and teams still rack up impressive passing numbers against the Raiders. The same situation occurs in Denver with Champ Bailey.
What about the corners we thought were shutdown but later showed their true colors? Deangelo Hall and Rashean Mathis certainly fit into that category.
I’m not saying corners are in the same category of overcompensation as closers in baseball are (every closer in baseball besides Brad Lidge and including K-Rod is very dispensible) or running backs in the NFL (see James, Edgerrin)

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Sep 24, 2008 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Charles Woodson was certainly worth the money

but they are not exactly critical to winning in the nfl.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Sep 24, 2008 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you in principle,

but I think that cornerbacks are more important to the Packers than they are to other NFL teams, mainly because of the style of defense instituted by Bob Sanders. The tight press coverage that Harris/Woodson apply sets up a lot of things: the safeties can play a 2-deep, Atari Bigby can creep up into the box (where he can wreak havoc), the linebackers can blitz more, and the D-line gets those few extra seconds to get to the QB.

The Patriots won with Troy Brown coming in to play zone in obvious passing situations. The Raiders and Broncos have trouble with their #2 corners because DeAngelo Hall and Dre’ Bly are not nearly as disciplined as their counterparts (Nnamdi Asomoghou and Champ Bailey, respectively)

Your point about the money, however, was spot on. Woodson was worth the monster contract but that usually doesn’t happen. We can only hope that the front office remains competent enough to maintain the roster and salary cap so that they can overpay for a player that can make a difference.

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by Mitchell_M on Sep 25, 2008 6:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When I was talking about overpaying

I was generally referring to overpaying an average player, not a difference maker. I don’t mind if they overpay and the guy can produce results like Charles Woodson but if they overpay for a guy who is nothing special and is essentially just a stopgap solution then I’m concerned.

And I agree that I love the tight press coverage that the Packers use and I agree that it sets up a lot of things. I don’t think the Pack always exploits those things though. Yes, the safeties can play two deep and Bigby can get up in the box (where he is at his best). And yes, the press coverage should allow them to blitz linebackers more, but I don’t see it as often as I would like. I’m not saying they never blitz LB’s but they don’t do it very often. Which brings me to the other point. The press coverage does give the D-line a few extra seconds to get to the QB, but unfortunately we need those few extra seconds now. Our D-line has struggled to consistently get to the QB even with those few extra seconds. If our corners were unable to play this type of coverage successfully our D as a whole would suffer.

Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay

by verno329 on Sep 25, 2008 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about Dwight Lowery and Darrelle Revis

obviously a very good cornerback duo but the Chargers still put up 45 on the Jets. Good corners don’t guarantee anything. Front sevens make for dominant defenses. The Titans are currently proving my point for me.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Sep 25, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Champ Bailey and Dre Bly

were pretty much abused on those deep passes last year by us. All told he is one of the best corners in the league hands down, of course, but even shut down corners can get torched.

Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay

by verno329 on Sep 25, 2008 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But how often does a great left tackle get torched?

Not very often, much less often than a great cornerback. They are not a position of dire importance, is what I am trying to get across for the majority of the league.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Sep 25, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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