New Coach, New Scheme
If anyone had any doubts that Dom Capers would bring the 3-4 scheme a long with him into Green Bay, throw them into the same bin where you tossed your "The NFL is mediocre at best this year" ones (honestly...the Cardinals?). According to McCarthy, the Packers days of bump and run 4-3 are behind them. 3-4 it is.
The 3-4 is about as local to Wisconsin as calamari. The very utterance of those two numbers in quick succession brings up words like "foreign, exotic, and goofy." For whatever reason, the 3-4 certainly doesn't seem like something very Wisconian. Maybe it's the fact that the Badgers and Packers have never adapted the scheme as their base defense. Unless I'm missing something, it's been a healthy serving of 4-3 followed by a heaping of 4-3 since I started watching football.
This move is interesting for a number of reasons and we have to look at it with a nuanced approach.
With that being said, my initial reaction is that this is bad. The switch to 3-4 represents an enormous change in philosophy, preferred personnel, and player assignments. I don't know about you, but I've had enough "change" to last me for a while.
Additionally, I'd taken a look at our players and how they fit into a 3-4 scheme, and the results didn't appear too great. We lack a mamoth DT to anchor the middle, ala Jamaal Williams of San Diego or Vince Wilfork of the Patriots. Furthermore, arguably our best defender, Aaron Kampman, doesn't appear to be athletically suited to play either a defensive end nor an outside linebacker in the 3-4 set. Also, we really seem to lack the "hybrid" (over-used term, I know) rush-backer that makes the 3-4 thrive (think Shawne Merriman).
But, after the knee-jerk reaction I've had some chances to ponder this development. While I believe it's true that certain players wouldn't fair to well in a 3-4, I think some would. For starters, Cullen Jenkin appears to be an outstanding 3-4 D-end prospect, given by the fact that he has the athleticism to play a 4-3 DE and the size and strength to switch over to a 4-3 DT. Additionally, we could approach our lack of depth on the D-line by simply doing away with the number of linemen we play. Although our LB corp isn't stellar, I think their play is definitely a relative strength when compared to the front 4 (soon to be front 3).
Additionally, this move is especially intriguing in light of some possible free agent scenarios. Most notably, Julius Peppers, the super-freak DE will probably be avaliable, and get this: he states he's actively seeking out a 3-4 defense. The timing seems almost too perfect. Albert Haynesworth, the best DT in the league, will also hit the market. His strength and penetration abilities are the perfect ingredients in a 3-4 DT. Even with the addition of just one of these players, a 3-4 defense could be quite effective.
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beat me to it
although I started working on it at about noon, today, so we kind of tied.
you made pretty much the same points that I made in my post, but I’ll reiterate my main point of optimism: Dom Capers is a great guy to have around when making this change, and I’m hopeful that he can make it work.
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by Mitchell_M on Jan 19, 2009 9:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Jarrett Johnson and Adalius Thomas are similar in stature
and playing style to Aaron Kampman. At first I thought Kampman couldn’t be an outside rusher, but after remembering those two, I’ve changed my mind. He’s a football player.
Poppinga better bulk up a little and work on some pass rush moves. I think Barnett could play like a Larry Foote and Chillar would be pretty good inside too. AJ’s a little out of place though.
I suspect we changed to a 3-4 because of the coaches admiration for the playing ability of Cullen Jenkins who would be perfect as a 3-4 end.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
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by jobe on Jan 19, 2009 9:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Watching Baltimore at Pittsburgh in the AFC Championship
Neither of those teams has a Julius Peppers type player at defensive end. It’s hard to name all six defensive players who start on the line for those two teams. Basically they both go with three defensive tackles. If the 2009 season started today, and everyone was healthy, it would probably be Harrell, Pickett and Jenkins.
That said, who knows if Harrell and Jenkins will be healthy. Harrell can’t stay healthy, and Jenkins suffered a serious labrum tear. It’s possible they can’t count on either of them. And Pickett took a huge step back last season. There were only a couple games when Pickett really did anything.
At the least, they need to replace Pickett. Unless he was really playing through some bad injuries last season and deserves another chance. Still, they have to bring in some more bodies on the D-line. Kampman and last year’s 4th round pick, Jeremy Thompson, will probably be converted into outside linebackers. Johnny Jolly deserves to be somewhere in the D-line rotation. And I don’t want to see anyone other than Jolly, Harrell, Jenkins, and (maybe) Pickett back.
by Brandon on Jan 19, 2009 10:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
"The 3-4 is about as local to Wisconsin as calamari"
By the way, your showing your (young) age there. I saw someone else mention it in another post that the Packers used to play a lot of 3-4. I started watching the Packers in 1980, and from 1980 until 1993 (or 1994), the Packers were almost exclusively a 3-4 team. I’m betting the Packers were mostly 3-4 before that time too.
In the 1980s, Mike Douglass and John Anderson were two of the constants at linebacker in the 3-4. Then in the late 1980s, early 1990s, Brian Noble and Johnny Holland were fan favorites.
by Brandon on Jan 19, 2009 11:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Peppers
Could even be an OLB in this scheme, along the lines of a Shawn Merriman or a Jason Taylor. His greatest attribute is his speed and quickness of the edge, so putting him at DE in a 3-4 would be a mistake. Additionally, he’s proved that he is a capable defender playing the pass. His 6’7" frame, long arms, and Tarheel hops could certainly shut down enormous passing lanes with ease. If he’s in a 3-4, he’ll play OLB.
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by Green and Bold on Jan 20, 2009 1:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
well...
The first game I remember is the 95/96 loss to the Cowboys in the NFC Championship, so I can’t really be faulted here.
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by Green and Bold on Jan 20, 2009 1:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Just picking on you
Since I approximately knew your actual age. It wasn’t something I’ve thought of recently, but it is interesting to see the Packers go back to the 3-4 defensive scheme I watched during my formative years. Unfortunately the defense was usually pretty mediocre during the 1980s and early 1990s, that’s no knock on the 3-4 scheme but that wasn’t a great era of Packer football. I’ve gotten so accustomed to watching the 4-3 over the last 10+ years that it will be quite a change.
By the way, that was a great post. Very well written.
by Brandon on Jan 20, 2009 10:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no rush
I am a very big fan of the 3-4, but i am pessimistic about it working in Green Bay. I just don’t see our linemen getting pressure on the QB while rushing 4. We will have more problems when we only bring 3.
I love having the flexibility that an extra LB gives us. We certainly have the athletic linebackers(Barnett, Hawk) to run this. Unfortunately, we would have to bring up at least one linebacker on EVERY play. No Gilbert Brown to hold down the middle on a running play and no pass rush when bringing 3.
Capers is an accomplished coach and we have plenty of options, so at the end of the day, we gotta trust the guys paid to make the decision. I’ll respect what they go with, but this is the way I see it.
by Lee-Roy Jenkins on Jan 22, 2009 5:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

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