Return Of Mark Tauscher

by Mitchell_M on Oct 12, 2009 1:45 PM CDT in News Comment 45 comments

No matter the case, there's been an awful lot of clamoring for the Packers to resign Mark Tauscher. Sadly, that just won't happen.

-Mitchell_M, Sign Mark Tauscher?, 9/15/09

It's interesting to see how much difference a month can make. After about two weeks of workouts, examinations, and debate, Mark Tauscher has been signed and added to the Green Bay roster. To compensate, Will Blackmon was placed on IR for the season with an ACL injury.

I don't eat my words very often, but I have to say, this particular instance isn't as bad as it could be. I originally denied that the team would sign him because they would put their efforts into improving Allen Barbre...which was anywhere between a slight success and a failure-slightly-less-bad-than-moving-Colledge-to-LT. No matter the case, I'm happy that he's healthy and is getting another shot at playing.

I have a few questions: will he start right away? There's no question that they brought Tauscher back in order to replace Allen Barbre, but will he be ready by next Sunday against the Lions? And if he's ready, exactly how effective will he be?

Somewhat less urgent, but no less important: will Tauscher hold a grudge against management for not signing him in good faith that his rehab would be complete by October? Or does he recognize that his age (32) and injury (ACL tear) were two huge red flags that kept him on the free agent market for the entire offseason, preseason, and regular season to date?

Tauscher's signing does answer one question, however. It shows us that Ted Thompson and the rest of the management will not let Aaron Rodgers get killed without at least trying other options. Kevin Seifert of ESPN.com sums it up nicely:

Tauscher isn’t a cure-all for the Packers’ problems in pass protection. He’s returning from a serious injury and hasn’t done any football-style conditioning work since December. But if nothing else, the Packers have sent an effective message that they won’t stand pat indefinitely after allowing 20 sacks during the first four games of the season.

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It looks to me

like he won’t start this week and that they are aiming to having him ready for the Browns game. I can live with that. I don’t think we’ll have any problem with Tauscher attitude wise. He is a solid veteran who knows how the NFL works. Plus, if he did hold a grudge I would find it hard to believe that he would sign with the Packers. Let’s just hope that Barbre can improve some because I don’t think that Sunday against the Lions will be the last time we need him this year.

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Oct 12, 2009 1:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

the bye week

This has been one of the earliest bye weeks for the Pack but boy did it come at a good time! The extra week of practice gave us a chance to look at Tausch get him signed and now he should be practicing already with the team. But does he start against the Lions? hmmm.. do we need him too? This is not the 0-16 Lions anymore they have played very well despite their 1 victory. But with that said they still are not a top notch team. Barbre should be able to do his job well enough against the Lions. I would be pushing for the Browns game. Not because the Browns DL scares me but to get him on the field and into a game day mindset. Give him the Browns game to once again regell with his OL teammates since we all know what showdown follows the Browns game..

I couldn’t see how Tauscher would hold a grudge. I agree with verno if he held a grudge he wouldn’t have signed with the Pack. Tauscher is a WI man and i think will always be!

by bizzle4 on Oct 12, 2009 2:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Welcome back Tausch

Glad you’re back on board. I hope the knee holds up — we need you!

by ktenreb on Oct 12, 2009 2:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Gotta disagree

They will stand pat. All offseason. The offseason before that. The offseason before that. The offseason before that. How much of a crappy track record does Colledge need?

Sign an Fing free agent. Clifton HAS to be an injury risk, Colledge was his backup plan, and Breno as Barbre’s backup plan? Ummm. If you’ve got a lot of money, why shop at Goodwill all the time?

On a side note, my wife is a police officer at UW Madison. Tauscher has been around alot getting wasted a bunch lately and got arrested once. He got married in August, 17 kegs for 40 people. Rodgers and Clifton the only other Packers there.

I expect him to be a shell of his former self.

by Wade V on Oct 12, 2009 2:25 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs

I call BS

If Tauscher had gotten arrested recently, we would have heard about it. Shoot, PFT is the best source for athletes and their shenanigans, and I’ve heard nothing about any Packers getting arrested, much less for debauchery at one of the hardest-partying college towns in the country.

"Brandon Jennings needs a nickname before he gives himself one. Oh wait, Young Money, he already did."

by Mitchell_M on Oct 12, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Call it what you want

Big difference being arrested by a college police force and city police force. I suppose you never heard about Niles Brinkley pistol whipping his girlfriend either? Or PJ Hill and his stack of stolen iPhones?

by Wade V on Oct 12, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

arrest

If Tausch was arrested by campus police and he isn’t a student any longer, is it still just considered a campus arrest??? Doubt it… My guess is that it gets turned over to the city for prosecution… Don’t know exactly how that would work.

by Strohman on Oct 12, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

PJ Hill's incident I had heard of

and I remember the pistol-whipping episode, but I don’t recall Brinkley’s name being involved. Mainly because I have no idea who Niles Brinkley is/was.

But no offense to you or your wife, but I’m refusing to accept it as any more than mere rumor unless you provide some sort of proof. Like a notice in the campus paper, where ALL campus arrests are published. A 30+ year old man being arrested in Madison would certainly turn some heads.

"Brandon Jennings needs a nickname before he gives himself one. Oh wait, Young Money, he already did."

by Mitchell_M on Oct 12, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Niles Brinkley?

maybe he meant Gnarles Barkley!

by TrevorR on Oct 12, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

BS

Tauscher is still pursuing his education so he IS still a student at Madison so its possible but still I think its kind of BS…kind of like calling someone a police office if they are really campus security! ;-)

Tauscher does has a masters degree and pursuing further education though, he’s no schluff. I don’t buy that he’d get arrested without it getting out there but I suppose getting arrested by campus security isn’t really being arrested anyway so maybe its really just a non story!!

by TrevorR on Oct 12, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tauscher is back

Every NFL team in need of an O-lineman knew the rehab schedule Tauscher was on. Tauscher used the KC visit as leverage to give the Packers a heads up he was ready. It sounded to me listening to Tauscher that he wants to end his career as a Packer and I believe all along the Packers were hoping Tauscher would be ready by early October. Lets just all be glad that it worked out and he is back!

by TimmyD on Oct 12, 2009 2:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I agree on him being a Packer

the guy grew up in WI went to Madison and then got drafted by the Pack! What a dream come true for someone to go to the school he probably rooted for and then get drafted by the team he probably rooted for.

by bizzle4 on Oct 12, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tauscher

Some of you need to temper you enthusiasm in the case of signing Tauscher! They brought him in to basically bring some stability back to the OL. I don’t think Tausch will be starting very soon! In fact it wouldn’t suprise me if he didn’t start all year. He MIGHT, but I don’t think it will be for a month or more before it happens.

Personally, I think they brought Tausch back to help Barbre along in his development. I am not saying that Barbre has done anything to be proud of, but he needs to learn alot before he can be a quality starter. Tauscher is a pro’s pro… He will come in, do what is asked of him, and IF needed start. Lets remember he hasn’t played in a year, is 30+, and is coming off ACL reconstruction! He may be physically healed, but he isn’t near the strength and explosiveness or power needed to play. Nor does he have the confidence in the knee that he needs to concentrate solely on his job w/o thinking about the knee.

If Tausch starts… IMO, it won’t be for a month or more, and then only if Barbre has shown no improvement from today till then…

by Strohman on Oct 12, 2009 2:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

nope

i would be almost certain he starts by that November game…

by bizzle4 on Oct 12, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Really?

Based on what info? I would guess that IF, big IF, he starts that would be the soonest he could be ready. But as I said, that is a month away… Still think the Pack brought him back as much, if not more, to help Barbre progress. During the season coaches don’t have time to coach! Its all about preparing for the upcoming opponent!!! Tauscher on the other hand is a minimum of a month from being ready. In the meantime he can help Barbre more than even a coach can. I think Tausch will be a great mentor for Barbre and will help elevate his play by helping w/ technique, preparation, studying film of opponents, etc…

We’ll find out soon enough I guess.

by Strohman on Oct 12, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't agree...

I think they have plans for him beyond a mentor.

by TrevorR on Oct 12, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

maybe

But that would be the backup plan… I think the plan is for Tausch to help Barbre in the meantime, and IF needed maybe he can get them thru the end of the season. Either way he won’t be back next year unless its for the vets minimun, and they couldn’t sign or draft anyone…

Remember, Tausch WAS a good Packer, but he doesn’t have a future left, just an end…

by Strohman on Oct 12, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

why so bleak?

He’s only 32…in the life of an OT, that isn’t THAT old. Hopefully we won’t need him to be a starter but he could still be a serviceable piece of the team who likely has the skills to make up for deteriorating skills. I guess I’d like to actually SEE him play before I bury him 10 feet under.

by TrevorR on Oct 12, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He'll be a starter

There is no way that Thompson brings in a vet that he didn’t draft unless he plans on Tauscher starting eventually. Thompson might be stuck on his draft picks but he knows he will have to answer a ton of questions if Rodgers gets hurt because Barbre forgot how to properly pass block an aging player again (Ogunleye, Little).

It probably does have a little bit to do with mentoring but the fact of the matter is Thompson and McCarthy wouldn’t bring Tauscher back so he can be the back up to Barbre instead of Breno. I don’t think Thompson has ever payed attention to what the media or the fans think, but I think he’s finally feeling the heat and he’s gonna try to solidify the only weakness this team has.

And it doesn’t take a month to get football ready. Your body breaks down the first week and by the end of the second week your body grows accustomed to the pounding, and that’s in regards to two-a-days. He physically could be ready by the Cleveland game (depending on his knee) and he definitely could be a full go physically by the Minnesota game. It took me about two weeks to be as ready as I needed to be for both football and basketball, and I didn’t have a professional staff like Tauscher will.

by GGGamer on Oct 13, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

have you watched any of the games?

Strohman, Barbre was getting his ass handed to him by the Bears and the Bengals! We’re lucky we’re not 1 and 3 instead of 2 and 2! I hope we can turn it around, and get to the playoffs. Tausch can oly help the Pack. I’m not saying that the OL is the only thing wrong with the Pack. I’d like to see more blitzing from the 3/4 defense. AJ Hawk penetrating into the backfield to hand Favre his head on Nov. 1st would be a good omen!

by biggun33 on Oct 12, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Have to disagree

If Tauscher is old and coming to an end like you say he is, what would be the point of signing him if he weren’t going to play. I think he’ll be starting by November. Tauscher may be old and coming off injury but I’ll take him over Barbre any day.

“He may be physically healed, but he isn’t near the strength and explosiveness or power needed to play. Nor does he have the confidence in the knee that he needs to concentrate solely on his job w/o thinking about the knee.”

Haha why not? Keep in mind the guy has been rehabbing for the past year. It’s not like his ACL injury magically healed by him laying on his couch. He is probably good strength wise because of the rehab he has been doing. What comes now and what has likely been happening is he has been trying to get back into playing shape.

I don’t think he would come back and play if he didn’t have the confidence either. Sure, he’ll probably be worried about it right away but every player probably is.

There is no way we brought him in only to mentor Barbre. Barbre has been 50% of our oline problems and honestly he is horrible. It doesn’t look like he has much potential and if he continues to play then Rodgers will have to continue to run for his life.

by packallday555 on Oct 12, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

In an article by Chris Jenkins, AP sports writer...

When talking with Mike McCarthy…

Packers coach Mike McCarthy said Tauscher participated in individual drills but will likely need at least a week to get into game shape. That means Allen Barbre(notes) keeps his job—for now, anyway.

"Allen Barbre is the starting right tackle and it’s his responsibility to keep that job," McCarthy said. "Mark Tauscher is someone that we’re going to bring along as fast as we can, but right now I am just looking at Mark to get back in football shape."

In the same article…

"Obviously, I love this organization and I enjoy being here," Tauscher said. "But I realized a long time ago that this is a business, and you have to figure out, you just don’t know what’s going to happen."

Tauscher did most of his rehabilitation program at the University of Wisconsin, where he was a standout lineman in the late 1990s. He acknowledged having some doubts about his football future and enrolled in a political science class with an eye toward the future, but wasn’t ready to leave the game yet.

"I couldn’t start taking two or three different classes and start kind of getting my mind on other things," Tauscher said. "I put my energy and focus on rehabbing my knee and giving myself a chance. The other stuff, obviously, is something that’s going to come."

To me it sounds like we’ll be seeing Tauscher soon… Maybe even by the Browns game.

Barbre did bad from the first series in the Vikings game. That first sack, Barbre did a quick bump block and let the guy just go right around him, while he just stood there. He thinks that a quick bump is all he has to do. If the DE doesn’t stay in front of him, Babre doesn’t stay on him.
It has been a little while since I played OT, but I don’t think that the position has changed that much. I stayed on the DE. Even when I started getting over powered, I still kept on.

by #12-tony on Oct 13, 2009 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

piece

Where did I say he cant be a servicable piece? He can, in fact I did say that if needed he can start and get us thru the season. But don’t be dellusional to think this will go beyond this season. It could but it is unlikely…

He can best be sevicable by helping Barbre right now… In a month, he MIGHT be able to start. Nobody knows what his role will be for the next month, maybe more…

by Strohman on Oct 12, 2009 5:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

hopefully he helps

I’d like to see Rodgers getting sacked around 5-6% of the time, instead of 13%+.

rmlumley.com

by shaftr on Oct 12, 2009 7:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

So would Rodgers, conveniently enough

by Danwood on Oct 12, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's about time!

Finally we got Mark back. And as far as returns go, Rossum just got cut by the 49ers in S.F. He had a stellar season last year with them. They cut him to make room for Crabtree. With Will Blackmon being out for the rest of the season, we should pick up Rossum. He’s already in shape, he was an active player for the 9ers, and he has played for the team before. I don’t know if anyone who’s on here has Mike’s ear or “knows a guy who knows a guy” but it would be awesome to see him back in the Green and Gold! GO PACK! GO!!!

by biggun33 on Oct 12, 2009 8:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

ready?

Packallday and biggun… JUst read that Tauscher tired very quickly in one on one drills and was favoring his knee… What does that mean to you? Says to me he is not near being ready. Lacks the strength and endurance in the legs, particularly his surgical knee to be able to play any time soon. He hasn’t had any OTA’s or training camp, and is basically in training camp right now. Meaning it is unlikely he would be ready to play soon.

The point to signing him now… It is to help light a fire under Barbre, it is to give him someone who can help him one on one, which the coaches don’t have time for during the season, it is to give Tausch time in case Barbre doesn’t improve to get himself ready to play at some point, it is that the Packers feel they have a chance to make the playoffs this year and if Barbre doesn’t improve they can have a experienced player come in and help get us there…

Is that enough points on why to bring him in now???

I have never said Barbre has played anywhere near the level he needs for us to make the playoffs. He hasn’t!!!

He has been rehabbing for maybe 8 months NOT a year… Takes alot more than that to come back from an ACL 9 months minimum, but at his age and the fact this is his 2nd reconstuction on the same knee, it could be 10 or 11 months… Nobody knows for sure.

by Strohman on Oct 12, 2009 11:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Link??

Of course he lacks strenght in that knee. I had a high ankle sprain which happened in June, and I now am finally getting all my strength back in it. Tauscher had an ACL tear. It is going to take time to gain its strength back. Even if this is virtually his training camp it’s not a huge deal. We don’t need him against the Lions or Bucs. That gives him 3+ weeks to get his strength back, and to get somewhat conditioned. He will play against the Vikings, and I’d be willing to bet just about anything on that.

I’m sorry but I just can’t buy into, we just brought him back to light a fire under Barbre and to mentor him. There is no point in doing that. I think our oline coach should be able to teach him and help him with everything he needs to know, and he probably does. It just doesn’t matter because Barbre lacks physical talent.

Tauscher was brought in to play. Not too add depth or anything of the sort.

by packallday555 on Oct 13, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

I stated as much above, but it doesn’t take more than a month to get ready to play football. It shouldn’t take him longer than 2-3 weeks. ACL injuries are terrible if you’re a WR, RB, LB (Barnett is a good example); someone who needs to be explosive each and every play. An ACL injury isn’t as big a deal at RT. He needs to move laterally and be able to stick his feet into the ground. He really doesn’t have to explode and sprint because he won’t be pulling anywhere. His knee should be physically fine to play the position at this time, he just needs to mentally get over it. I don’t understand the pessimism Strohman.

by GGGamer on Oct 13, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

An ACL injury isn’t as big a deal at RT. He needs to move laterally and be able to stick his feet into the ground.

Do you realize how ignorant this statement is? A tackle doesn’t need to explode?

Sheesh (shaking head).

by ktenreb on Oct 13, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah...

ACL’s are pretty much the most important ligament in the knee for ALL football players.

"Brandon Jennings needs a nickname before he gives himself one. Oh wait, Young Money, he already did."

by Mitchell_M on Oct 13, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

is it not possible that it could be a less significant injury to some positions than others. It would be more detrimental to a player that is cutting and juking than one that is just pushing. He didn’t say its not a big deal, just that it isn’t AS big a deal.

by TrevorR on Oct 13, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

that’s how I read it. is their explosion the same kind as made by a WR, RB, or LB? not really, as far as I know (i’m willing to admit my ignorance on this tho). they definitely need to explode off the line, but its different than a guy who is making stop-on-a-dime type of cuts

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Oct 13, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Talking my language

Actually the kind of explosiveness a WR or RB needs is slightly different… Its called quickness, they are using the movement they have already developed to change their direction. It is actually easier to change direction (takes less explosiveness) than it is to create that explosiveness from a dead stop!

Tauscher has an instant to create as much explosiveness as he can to get into position, and its not just the explosiveness to get forward movement, its also the explosiveness it takes to take a kick step back to get into position to pass pro. A WR or RB, who has already built up some speed (force) simply has to redirect that momentum in another direction. Also, he is having to absorb and try to stop all the momentum that another player is exerting on him, which takes even more power (explosiveness), in regards to trying to stunt all the speed and power another player can exert.

Its physics!!! A body at rest stay at rest unless acted up by another force, a body in motion stay in motion…

by Strohman on Oct 13, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Could someone please just answer this

Since my opinion is being questioned that an o-lineman can perform better in a shorter period of time after acl surgery than a position like RB or WR or LB, tell me that isn’t the truth and I’ll tell you you’re wrong.

I know you say your a former S&C coach strohman, so you should know more than anyone that a RT can play at a higher level (especially a guy like Tauscher who has always used fundamentals and not athleticism) quicker than someone in another one of those positions. Once again, from experience that proves to be the case 9 times out of 10. Take an offensive lineman and he’s effective the next season after acl surgery and you take a WR/RB/LB and he isn’t as effective until the year after.

My friend ktenreb, my comment is ignorant? Why thank you. If you actually read it correctly like verno and Trevor did, you will see that I was making that comment in comparison with other positions. Obviously a RT needs to explode but no one can sit here and truthfully tell me that an ACL injury is harder on an o-lineman than a skill position or linebacker.

by GGGamer on Oct 13, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

100% argee

I think the best evidence to support your argument was the evidence in rebuttal to you. So this reply is more to Strohman…

Strohman you should it is easier for the skill positions to change directions or momentum and explode which is true! But that is actually what the ACL does for you!!! All those cuts, jukes, and moves are directly correlated with the ACL. Those guys rely on the ligament more than an OL would. An OL uses more of the major muscles in the legs. The Hammys are probably the most important thing for an OL. They are squating in a sense the weight of the DL (they are bent and the knees and explode upward when come in contact with DL that is simple hamstring muscle) now i wont say the ACL is not important but I believe a hamstring tear would be worse than a ACL tear for an OL

by bizzle4 on Oct 13, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yup

I think you might be looking around the big picture here. They brought in a football player: to play football. Mark is an immediate improvement to the O-line as a unit. His arrival might light a fire under Barbre, but that isn’t why he was signed. Suggesting that he was brought in for some kind of coaches aid is ridiculous, because he could have done that before being rehabbed, yet they waited until his rehab completed to bring in Tauscher. The coaches are doing thier job, and don’t need players to do it for them. Coaches coach and players play. I expect Tausch to push for playing time against Minnesota for sure, and I seriously hope he earns it. I’m so sick of these darn Vikings fans, they make me want to vomit. I went to the bar tonight to catch some MNF, and all night I heard Vikings fans spewing off about how they were favorites for the superbowl and how “No one can beat the Vikings”, “5-0 baby!”, “Superbowl Champion Vikings”

Gag me. It’s week 5. Only two teams have managed 6-0 and not made the playoffs. The Vikings were one of them. Beat the Ravens, then talk to me about playoffs.

by StephanL on Oct 13, 2009 2:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Haha

The Vikings fans are definitely excited and I can’t really blame them. 5-0 is a good start, but like you said, let’s wait and see. Favre definitely brings an excitement to wherever he goes and right now the Vikings fans are willing to overlook the fact that he has bombed in the last month of the season and playoffs for the past 5-6 years and the Vikings have bombed down the stretch throughout their existence.

They have the Ravens, Steelers, and Packers coming up so we will see one way or the other how good they really are in a month. If they win all three games or maybe even two of the three games, Vikings fans will have a legitimate reason to be excited, but if they lose two of the three or even all three of them, everyone will realize that their optimism is overblown. Should be fun.

by GGGamer on Oct 13, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yea, not to discredit 5-0

But I’m really tired of hearing from almost everyone I know that they’ll be in the Superbowl. None of their opponents stand out to me as real quality teams at this point in the season (Including the Packers) I still see the Giants, Saints, Eagles (With a healthy McNabb), and possibly the Falcons and Cardinals as equal or better teams.

by Charlie Kelly on Oct 13, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right

I think the Giants and the Saints with their newly found running game are actually perfect matchups against the Vikings. I couldn’t see the Vikings beating either of those teams. The Vikings run defense has actually looked below average this season and I could see the Giants just running them over. The Vikings and Giants win by being more physical than their opponent and I think the Giants do it better. The Saints now with a great run game would keep the Vikings defense honest and torch their bad secondary and I think the Falcons could employ that same tactic as well.

I don’t think the Cardinals are as good as the Vikings, Packers or Bears personally but I do think the Falcons are better than the Vikings as well. They just crushed the 49ers who should’ve beat the Vikings. With Favre’s late season fades, I see 4 or 5 teams (Giants, Saints, Falcons, Eagles, 49ers, maybe even the Packers completely dependent on the o-line) in the NFC being better than the Vikings come playoff time.

by GGGamer on Oct 13, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

its surprising how pedestrian their D has looked so far. I think a few of their anchors are starting to show some age (ie Pat Williams and Antoine Winfield).

by TrevorR on Oct 13, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

And with Pat Williams decline, Jarred Allen’s terrible run defense is showing up even more. He sells out on the pass every play so teams can just run right at him and just worry about pushing him up the field. Pat Williams just stands there and tries to take up blockers but he’s getting no push this year. It basically comes down to Kevin Williams wreaking havoc with his quickness and explosion in there.

by GGGamer on Oct 13, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Giants

Giants haven’t played anyone tough yet, either. The jury’s still out on them. The matchup with the Saints should give us a few clues about both teams.

by uglyfatpimplynerd on Oct 16, 2009 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Here's a new drinking game...

for every Vickings game… every time the Vikings’ O-line holds, and the the refs don’t call a penalty on it, take a drink. See if you can make it pass the first quarter.

by #12-tony on Oct 13, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nice One

I was LMAO when I read that. That is seriously remarkable to me 12tony. I’ve watched four of the five Vikings games this season and I honestly cannot believe how many times they are getting away with holding and not just the o-line. If you re-watch the Packer Viking game, there were three obvious holds on punt and kickoff that weren’t called. Next time the Vikings play you only have to watch McKinnie and take a drink everytime he holds and you probably won’t make it past the first quarter.

by GGGamer on Oct 13, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs