Analysis: Packers Sign Mark Tauscher
by Brandon on Oct 13, 2009 7:00 AM CDT
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The Green Bay Packers officially signed RT Mark Tauscher, and placed CB Will Blackmon on I.R. with a season ending ACL tear. Mitchell got the discussion going yesterday. What does it mean for the offensive line in the upcoming weeks?
Since it was known that Tauscher would be resigned, I've been expecting him to start at right tackle, but not immediately. Mike McCarthy admitted he's got only a slight chance of playing next Sunday. In the meantime, LT Chad Clifton would return from his ankle injury, C Scott Wells would stay at center, and LG Daryn Colledge can go to the bench. But that's not how it's going. From Greg Bedard:
Clifton and Colledge were both back working with the original starting line with Spitz, Sitton and Barbre. Jackson and Thompson also back.
Wells struggled in his first game against the Bengals, but he played a good game in Minneapolis against the Pro Bowl Williams Wall (DT Kevin Williams and Pat Williams). He graded out as one of their best lineman this preseason, but McCarthy has decided to bench him. Meanwhile, Colledge has been credited for 4 sacks allowed this season, which puts him at a frightening 16 sack pace. He should be helped by a return to left guard, but I've lost almost all patience with him.
Though Tauscher was at practice, he wasn't exactly doing a whole lot. From Greg Bedard:
Tauscher didn't look to be near ready. Only did individual and appeared gassed quickly. Seemed favor/limp on leg but brace could be heavy
This would be confirmed by the Press-Gazette, which had a bunch of photos of him standing around.
Clifton's return should immediately help, but they are still starting same two lineman (Colledge and Barbre) who've been struggling all season. Should they be doing more to shake up the line? Do you think it's inevitable that Tauscher will take back the starting right tackle job?
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I still fear for Rodgers life
another 5+ sack game CAN NOT be tolerated.
Green and Gold / Black, and White
by OznCoop on Oct 13, 2009 8:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Packers next oder of business:
sign Rossom! With Blackmon out for the year…once again, this would be a real smart move by the Pack.
LINK
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by OznCoop on Oct 13, 2009 8:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Common courtesy
If you have something you want to say that’s totally unrelated to the post, make a FanShot or FanPost. It’s irritating when comments take a whole different tangent without any sort of thread from the topic at hand.
"Brandon Jennings needs a nickname before he gives himself one. Oh wait, Young Money, he already did."
by Mitchell_M on Oct 13, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Digression than o-line
Although you didn’t use common courtesy ozncoop, Rossom got cut for a reason so I would not want him on the Packers. Nelson is a better kick (not punt) returner than Blackmon anyways and if he isn’t doing that well with punts there is always Tramon Williams.
Onto the o-line. I would like to think Tauscher will be somewhat ready in two weeks so I would hope McCarthy lets him play like a half or a quarter against the Browns. If he comes out good then I would hope that he would start the Vikings game. Having Clifton and Tauscher against the Vikings would be a huge boost that they didn’t have last Monday. In regards to Colledge, I’ve never like him because he plays soft so I would put Lang in there. If it was up to me (I could only hope) the o-line would be Clifton, Lang, Spitz, Sitton and Tauscher come Vikings time. In regards to Wells, he did do well against the Williamses but he absolutely blew against the Rams who don’t have one DT of notoriety. He’s to short and lacks power. Spitz is a much better option.
by GGGamer on Oct 13, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like the idea
of using Nelson and Williams too much on return duties. They’re the top backups at their respective positions (well Jordy shares it with James Jones, but you get the picture) and if you need to use a lot of nickel or slot sets in a game, they’re going to be way gassed from those duties and there’s always the danger of them getting hurt.
Shame that we couldn’t have a throwaway spot on the roster like we have for Brett Swain to use on a super quick return guy,
by vitaminx on Oct 13, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nelson and o-line
Nelson is actually a very good kick returner in my opinion but he is not a good punt returner. He seems to have a problem with fielding the punts. He is always trying to catch it with his upper body and arms, and I think he has bobbled every punt I have ever seen him field. I’m not sure who else we would put back there but I hope we don’t leave him back there.
I also would like to see Lang in there at LG. I realize the chances of this happening are slim to none but I think it would be beneficial. Lang is aggressive and physical. When he was in there against Allen he went out and challenged him a couple of times. He seems to have a good explosion of the ball and I think Colledge lacks that strength and explosion.
by packallday555 on Oct 13, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree
on the punts! he scared me every time during the Bears game.. I think thats why we didnt see him until Blackmon got hurt. KO he has dont a very good job! I like him back there but the punts not so much
by bizzle4 on Oct 13, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Curious
Who do you think we should play at punt returner? I’ve been thinking about this for 20 minutes now and really can’t think of anyone that would be ideal. Nelson isn’t because of what I have already said and he is our #3 wr. I also don’t think Williams is ideal. He has been playing the outside wr’s with Harris in order to allow Woodson to play the inside. Having him go done would be a huge blow to our secondary.
by packallday555 on Oct 13, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like Tramon
but with him playing more and more on D, I would like for him to stay as fresh as possible. So the other option could be Swain who has some pretty good speed (ran a 4.41 when we drafted him) and has had some experience returning punts, he had a few in the preseason.
by bizzle4 on Oct 14, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With BJ Back
I would look at Swain or Wynn.
by GGGamer on Oct 14, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In response to bizzle and GGG
Bizzle- I would like Tramon as well but like you said he has been playing more and more on defense.
GGG and Bizzle- I also thought of Swain but I didn’t know enough about him to really decide if he should be or not. A 4.41 is pretty darn fast, I would like to see him back as punt returner.
by packallday555 on Oct 14, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lang definetly should be our lg for next year
draft, lang, spitz, sitton, singee
barbre, colledge, wells, singee, giacommninmnimininini
thants right, 10 oliners, one back up each position
by blackoutsox on Oct 13, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't Forget
New offensive line coaches, a power run scheme, and Dietrich-Smith.
by GGGamer on Oct 14, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just have to scoff
at people who said that Lang sucked in his limited playing time on Monday night. Dude is a rookie….going up against a pro-bowler like Jared Allen who makes experienced guys look bad. Give the guy a break.
What was with Kendall's shaved head?....looks like a fist with eyes.
scsteve (Pirates fan)
Correction: Jason Kendall IS a fist with eyes.
Derek (Brewers fan)
by bluejazz04 on Oct 15, 2009 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
And 1 of those really is on Grant. (see his unbelievably poor attempt at a chip block on Allen in the endzone) Lang actually looked good and I’m really hoping that he sees some more playing time this year.
by packallday555 on Oct 15, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rossom--YES
Obvious “smart move” But we are dealing with T.T. here—-and I am not so sure he will listen.
How about it Ted??
by Buddyruff on Oct 13, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
Why would the Packers sign Rossom? You rip TT and then follow it up with the thought of signing Rossom. Signing Rossom would be the stupid move by TT. The guy doesn’t play defense and he isn’t a really good returner anymore. It makes no sense.
by GGGamer on Oct 13, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
* facepalm *
There is no “Allen Rossum” tag on this article.
"Brandon Jennings needs a nickname before he gives himself one. Oh wait, Young Money, he already did."
by Mitchell_M on Oct 13, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry I dont mean to be rude, but..
honestly this is a blog site, not a formal gathering. If you want this place to prosper, and be a productive SBNation site then you may (do) need to tone down on the lashings.
Green and Gold / Black, and White
by OznCoop on Oct 13, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree.
Threads can get easily derailed. The thread should stick to the posted topic for the efficient sharing of opinions. Anybody reading the posts and topics on the front page will have no idea about Rossum. This is, in my opinion, a very suitable topic for a Fanpost.
SBNation has setup this very easy to use Fanpost/Fanshot system for a reason. Be a productive poster and take advantage of it. The guys that manage these sites put a lot of time and effort into them and deserve respect on what is a perfectly reasonable request.
Some people say the glass is half empty, some say half full. I say, are you going to drink that?
by BleedsbluinMI on Oct 13, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree too
Its his job to manage the blog and make sure that things remain on topic. This is a blog, not some random newspaper article, its HIS blog and he has a right to keep things on track. I agree with his point…
by TrevorR on Oct 14, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had one of the best years of his career returning last year
Green and Gold / Black, and White
by OznCoop on Oct 13, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that if Barbre has one more bad game (a la Week 1) then we play Tauscher just to see if he can do better, gimpy or no.
by Thaddeus? on Oct 13, 2009 8:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don’t see Tauscher starting anytime soon… Like I predicted, he isn’t ready, lacks the strength and explosive power in the knee that is needed before he can take the field in a meaningful game. Second reconstruction of the same knee is NEVER going to be a minimum 9 month recovery. 10 month recovery is likely, and it could be more… The best way for Tausch to help now is by working w/ Barbre, while he continues to gain strength and knocks off the rust. Which may be why he’s back after all… Barbre is the starter, if he continues to improve in the next month he stays the starter. If he struggles, Tausch will become a starter in a month or so.
THe left leg for a RT is the leg used in the kick step in pass pro. It MUST be very powerful or Tausch would be weak on the edge. The knee has to be completely recovered to previous levels to gain the edge vs. pass rushers.
by Strohman on Oct 13, 2009 1:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m sorry, you keep stating this in the threads but there is no way that Tauscher was brought in to be the backup and just mentor Barbre. Barbre has given up more sacks, pressures, and knockdowns in four games than a RT should in two seasons. And as I’ve stated already, his knee is gonna be a mental issue at this point, not a physical one. I just had a girl friend of mine this past year who was back in competition playing soccer at a college level 7 months after she had ACL surgery. It depends a lot on the person. This supposed one year time window for an offensive lineman to be ready after ACL surgery has been debunked several times.
by GGGamer on Oct 13, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just had a girl friend of mine this past year who was back in competition playing soccer at a college level 7 months after she had ACL surgery. It depends a lot on the person. This supposed one year time window for an offensive lineman to be ready after ACL surgery has been debunked several times.
I’m guessing your friend weighed significantly less that Mark Tauscher, thus putting less stress on her knee joints. Also, athletes in sports that involve a lot of running, especially soccer and track & field, have stronger knee tendons in general.
The window for a lineman may be less than a year, but I doubt he’s got the strength necessary (or the lower body explosiveness) to contribute before the Minnesota game.
"Brandon Jennings needs a nickname before he gives himself one. Oh wait, Young Money, he already did."
by Mitchell_M on Oct 13, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay
But you obviously haven’t read all of my comments on the Tauscher topic. I agree that he won’t be ready for the Detroit game and he won’t be fully ready for the Cleveland game but he very well could be ready for the Minnesota game in three weeks. I’ve said as much in the other Tauscher topic. It doesn’t take more than three weeks to get into football shape especially for an o-lineman and to get a good amount of strength back in his knee, but Strohman has stated that it will be more than a month. Once Tauscher gets back into football shape in a couple of weeks his knee will become a mental issue not a physical issue so the more than a month comments aren’t accurate.
I fully realize that my friend is half the weight of Tauscher and that is a valid point but it really all depends on the persons recovery level. Favre is one of those guys who the doctors say recovers like an animal which is why he has the consecutive starts streak. Who knows what Tauscher is but at this point it just becomes about getting into football shape. And I know way way way more soccer players who have torn up their ACL’s than football players. Go to a high school or college soccer game near you and you will see scars down the middle of most of their knees. I use to work closely with a high school trainer and everyday after school he would be rehabbing soccer player after soccer player.
by GGGamer on Oct 13, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
I just think that the two ACL injuries in less than a decade will have a major effect on his effectiveness.
/soccer flopping joke
"Brandon Jennings needs a nickname before he gives himself one. Oh wait, Young Money, he already did."
by Mitchell_M on Oct 13, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course it will
No matter what some non-football players think, a torn ACL hampers an offensive lineman. No doubt about it.
by ktenreb on Oct 19, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You had a girl friend? That played soccer… Did you know soccer takes alot more endurance and not as much explosiveness as football? Apparently not!!! I will take my own much better knowledge as a former S and C Coach than your experience w/ your friend.
Like I stated, at 32, and this being his 2nd RECONSTRUCTION on the SAME knee he isn’t in the typical situation for a ACL tear… Not even close.
I have also said that IF Barbre doesn’t improve his play that Tauscher could help the Pack in a month or so. Every thing I have read indicates he is a long way from being ready to play. No explosivenes and still favoring the knee gives any informed person the idea that he won’t be ready any sooner than 4 weeks, likely more!
by Strohman on Oct 13, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fiesty
My sincere apologies, I didn’t realize you had so much better knowledge than I (sacrasm). And what did you mean by, you had a girl friend?
If you are a former strength and conditioning coach than you should legitimately know what you’re talking about and I respect that but your “own much better knowledge” than I is just your opinion. I obviously know soccer is more endurance and football is more explosion, there’s no argument there, but what does that have to do with Tauschers recover? Plus I believe Bedard is the one who said Tauscher was limping but he thought it might have been just him getting use to the new brace on his knee.
From my own experiences which involve every sport under the sun and everything that is included, I can tell you from experience that way more friends/teammates/acquaintances that play soccer have torn their acl’s than football players. 90% of the time it happens in football is because someone gets hit on the side of their knee. In soccer it happens from just running and cutting. You don’t see a lot of Will Blackmon injuries unless a foot gets caught in the turf (which his actually kind of did).
Also from experience, I could make a laundry list of players that were teammates or friends who started fully practicing 6 months after the surgery and playing within 8 months. You might be a former S&C Coach but those are facts. You can’t deny them. Tauscher’s situation can be different but I’m speaking about 300+ lb lineman as well. And the girl I was speaking of actually tore it two consecutive seasons and is playing on it as we speak. I apologize because I over-argue too much to prove my point but the fact is throughout my life I’ve seen people (yes 300lb people also) do it a lot quicker than Tauscher will have to. He tore his ACL 10 months ago so you being a former strength coach should know that once he gets into football shape he should be physically ready to go. As I’ve stated a few times now, it will then become a mental thing more than anything else.
by GGGamer on Oct 13, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A 3% Difference
You guys are arguing about a 10 day difference out of a 10 month rehab. This is one day per month, or 3%. Seem unlikely that anyone can predict that well.
My guess: Strohman is right that they want Tauscher to school/push Barbre. And Gamer is right that Tauscher will see action against the Vikings if Barbre doesn’t show marked improvement.
My worry: If we see Tauscher November 1 he will get hurt and lost for eternity.
by 50 years and Counting on Oct 13, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So
I agree with both of your points and have to admit Strohman obviously is probably most knowledgable about this topic. But MM said Tauscher just needs to get into football shape now. That should take 2-3 weeks to do. There really is no question of whether or not his injury healed properly or not. That’s why the Packers had him in a week ago for a workout. I’m sure they also had their doctors and staff check him out as well. If there were any problem with his injury or concern that he wouldn’t be ready for a long time then they wouldn’t have signed him.
He was signed so he could come back and play. Barbre is atrocious. The coaching staff knows it, otherwise they wouldn’t be going to a 32 year old who is coming off of his 2nd ACL surgery. He may have been signed to “light a fire under Barbre” but that will only be his job until he is back in football shape and ready to play.
by packallday555 on Oct 13, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope!
Not fiesty in the least… Just stating facts and making a point.
You brought up the girl friend not me! The reason for the ? is what does it matter that its a male or female?? Why isn’t it just a friend… Again you said girl friend, not me…
You might notice that I didnt’ question that a soccer player returned in 7 months. Thats because it is feasable to return to action in an endurance sport sooner than a power sport like football. The first thing to return after an injury is the endurance, followed by strength, and then by power/explosiveness.
Again, you are the one who initiated the debate about comparing a soccer players injury to Tauschers… Not me… you might also want to consider if the ACL surgeries you mention are ACL reconstruction (Tauschers) or simply an ACL repair. There is a big difference between the recovery times of an ACL repair, vs an ACL RECONSTRUCTION. A reconstruction is more invasive and has a longer recovery than a repair. The recovery can also be affected by what they use to reconstruct. Is it the patellar tendon type or is it a donor?
I took all the factors into account when I was posting about Tauscher. His age, the fact that it is the 2nd RECONSTRUCTION on the SAME knee, etc. Something you failed to account for.
Also to finish this. I have said REPEATEDLY that Tauscher is best used to help Barbre NOW, while he is still trying to regain his knee strength and conditioning. That doesn’t mean that IF Barbre doesnt improve markedly in the next couple weeks that Tauscher wont replace him. I was just trying to temper peoples enthusiasm about the return of Tauscher, while indicating that the job is Barbres and will remain so as long as he improves his play!
by Strohman on Oct 13, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
So I failed to account for this and that just because I didn’t mention it? Everyone and their mom knows that this was Tauschers second surgery, I didn’t think I needed to bring up something that is universally known. I guess for your delight I will do that next time. What is up with the girl friend thing man? I was just saying a girl friend of mine had this happen. I once again apologize cause that obviously made you uncomfortable so next time I will just say friend. Holy crap is it that big a deal? What is up with some people on here making comments about little meaningless stuff. I said girl friend because that’s what I thought of typing at the time. Why you brought it up makes absolutely no sense to me.
You also don’t have to tell me about the in’s and out’s of ACL repair and reconstruction. I don’t deny that you know what your talking about by I do as well. As packallday stated, the Packers staff obviously did a comprehensive physical on Tauscher and came to the conclusion that his knee would be ready to go sooner rather than later so they pulled the trigger. You honestly think with Thompsons history of saving money that he would pay $1.2 million (I believe is the cap hit now) for a guy who won’t be ready until the last month or so of the season (based on your more than a month comment), to be a backup to Barbre? There’s no chance. Thompson signed him with the intent that he will be ready to play and play effectively in the next few weeks.
by GGGamer on Oct 13, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I realize I was comparing soccer and football, but I did make several statements about my lineman teammates and friends who had knee reconstructions and were playing at 8 months and at over 300lbs. The facts in my life are based upon experiences and I have seen several teammates and friends who were 280+ who came back from knee reconstructions quicker than the 10 months Tauscher is already at. You go with what you know and I’ll go with what I know. Still don’t understand the girl friend thing though lol.
by GGGamer on Oct 13, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Wisconsin
there’s never a guarantee any girlfriend will weigh less than Mark Tauscher.
by vitaminx on Oct 13, 2009 2:36 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Zing!
"Brandon Jennings needs a nickname before he gives himself one. Oh wait, Young Money, he already did."
by Mitchell_M on Oct 13, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too touchy
I tried to join this site and read posts since early on in the pre season and the posters seem way too touchy and agressive to others with a differing viewpoint. Geez sorry someone brought up a sarcastic comment about Lord Ted the archetect of the worst oline in the NFL. Oh and by the way how’s that punter that was drafted in the third round then cut doing? 2nd in the league? Ted is a tool always was and always will be. Go ahead now and fire back praises of Ted as usual. I just won’t be here to read it. This site is crap.
by Tekn8tor on Oct 13, 2009 2:46 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
U Sure Know Your Info
Actually Mike Sherman drafted the punter B.J. Sander in the third round not Thompson, but good try. Thompson found Jon Ryan (who you are speaking of) in the CFL and signed him. B.J. Sander is out of the league and Jon Ryan is doing well. That was definitely a mistake by Thompson but Kapinos looks to be a pretty good punter now after starting off training camp a little rocky.
Most people on here are actually critical of Thompson so I don’t know where you get the Lord Ted crap from. I hope you aren’t here to read anything else because your comments are just insults with nothing constructive about them.
by GGGamer on Oct 13, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh brother…you only feel that way because you are on the side of hating Thompson. A lot of the people that defend him aren’t even all that high on him…like myself. He’s made some stupid moves…cutting Ryan (which was likely a shared decision) would be one…one that I was instantly upset about. That said, I’ll defend him on here because most of the people that hate TT can’t even hold up a good discussion which involves point and counter point and acknoledging when someone else is right. They are just filled with blind hatred which instantly makes their entire point invalid.
So all that to say, if you come in here and can have a good discussion you won’t be jumped on. If you just come in and say TT sucks cause he drafted so and so or cause he let Favre go…yeah we are going to jump on that idiot garbage.
by TrevorR on Oct 13, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Damn, well put Trevor!
The worst part about being an active participant on this site are the few posters who will decry that you support cutting Jon Ryan, celebrate our horrible offensive line is, and cherish keeping three fullbacks at the expense of Anthony Smith simply because you don’t believe that Thompson was wrong to let Wahle and Rivera go 17 years ago or dare to defend his decision to trade away the greatest quarterback evah.
Nuance, people!
by 400metres on Oct 13, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+10000
You nailed it right on the head. Most of us who defend TT aren’t that high on him. I just don’t think he is anywhere near the worst GM in the league, like many of his bashers would tell you. The guy has had plenty of players work out for him and has had plenty not work out. The main problem we have on the oline is Barbre, who is a TT product. I think some of you would be surprised how much better the oline would look if we had a better RT.
“So all that to say, if you come in here and can have a good discussion you won’t be jumped on. If you just come in and say TT sucks cause he drafted so and so or cause he let Favre go…yeah we are going to jump on that idiot garbage.”
This is the reason people really don’t like TT, and I don’t want to hear about how it’s not. In 07’ everyone was praising TT about how well he had done at our skill positions and some of our young guys on defense. Then he trades Favre away and people are all the sudden quick to point out all of his mistakes he made, mostly in the draft. But I got news for everyone…you could go and look at each teams draft history for the past 5 years and all of them likely will have just as many busts as TT has had. A lot of them though, probably will not have as many successes as TT has had either.
by packallday555 on Oct 13, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just want to add
Even the almighty Brett Favre said in the training camp of 07’ that, “this is the most talented team I have ever played on.”
by packallday555 on Oct 13, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course the problem is that #4 has said that about the 07 Packers, the 08 NYJ, and now the 09 viqueens!!! Not to mention that it is a slap in the face of Packer fans who remember that the SB team the packers fielded was the #1 D in the NFL and had a certain DE who put this team on the map, along w/ #4, who were both brought in by a GM, who was hired by a certain President of the Packers!!!
by Strohman on Oct 13, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
Good points but still he said we were a good team and we turned out to be just that.
Definitely a slap in the face. I’m sorry but I don’t think the 09’ Vikes are better then our 96’ SB winning team and either way it’s much to earlier to come out and say that.
96’ Favre > 09’ Favre
White > Allen
Sure, there are positions where they might have us beat but those positions are probably only AP > Bennet + Levens, Williams’ > Dotson + Brown. But at this point those are the only two areas they have us beat.
by packallday555 on Oct 13, 2009 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
But I wouldn’t even say Williams’ > Dotson + Brown. I personally would take Gilbert and Santana over Pat and Kevin right now. Pat hasn’t shown much of anything this season except for standing there taking up space. Kevin is the most talented but Gilbert was a beast.
In regards to the talent Thompson has brought in though, I’ve stated this before, Greg Williams said that the Packers had the most talent out of the 9 teams that wanted him as a D coordinator. If you read his quote it doesn’t sound like he’s just saying that, it sounds like he actually meant it. The only reason he went to the Saints is because his son is an All-American QB who wanted to play in the South.
Thompsons downfall IMO is not making those two or three moves that would put this team over the top. He needs to concentrate more on some veterans this off-season and less on accumulating picks. He has made this roster talented though but he needs to step up to push it over the top. If he can’t figure that out this season than he might need to go eventually.
by GGGamer on Oct 13, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I wouldn’t even say Williams’ > Dotson + Brown. I personally would take Gilbert and Santana over Pat and Kevin right now. Pat hasn’t shown much of anything this season except for standing there taking up space. Kevin is the most talented but Gilbert was a beast.
Yep, I was a little hesistant to say the Williams’ are better. I think people forget how good Brown really was. It seemed like he was the only 370+ lb. guy in the league and back then o-lineman were much smaller. But I’ll still give the edge to the Williams’. Though that run defense doesn’t look as stout as it was once and I think Pat might be the reason for that but we’ll have to see how that plays out.
In regards to the talent Thompson has brought in though, I’ve stated this before, Greg Williams said that the Packers had the most talent out of the 9 teams that wanted him as a D coordinator. If you read his quote it doesn’t sound like he’s just saying that, it sounds like he actually meant it. The only reason he went to the Saints is because his son is an All-American QB who wanted to play in the South.
I read that too. Now add Raji and Matthews to that mix.
Thompsons downfall IMO is not making those two or three moves that would put this team over the top. He needs to concentrate more on some veterans this off-season and less on accumulating picks. He has made this roster talented though but he needs to step up to push it over the top. If he can’t figure that out this season than he might need to go eventually.
Exactly. I know he likes the draft method of building a team but he has had and will have this offseason there is no reason he can’t try and sign a guy who could make a significant impact.
by packallday555 on Oct 13, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha o god
I swear I’m mentally challenged when it comes to dealing with computers. Can anybody help me out with this whole blockquoting thing haha?
by packallday555 on Oct 13, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
highlight just the quote part
then click on the quotations
you can also preview and change if you make a mistake
by blackoutsox on Oct 13, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha ok thanks
Now I’m going to use your 2 sentences for practice hahaha.
then click on the quotations
you can also preview and change if you make a mistake
by packallday555 on Oct 14, 2009 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha o my god I did it!!
Thanks blackoutsox
by packallday555 on Oct 14, 2009 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont worry pad555
i post on here pretty much everyday and I didnt know how to do that either!
by bizzle4 on Oct 14, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember
him making that statement and he was CHASTISED for it cause the Packers weren’t expected to do anything that year. Obviously he’s watered it down some now but the team he’s on right now DOES have a lot of talent…but I still think the best team he was on was in the 90’s. probably too many hits to the head jarred his memory from working right!
by TrevorR on Oct 14, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
For all the effort I put into this site, I’m just glad someone thinks it’s crap.
"Brandon Jennings needs a nickname before he gives himself one. Oh wait, Young Money, he already did."
by Mitchell_M on Oct 13, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lord Ted the archetect of the worst oline in the NFL
regardless of what this is about, or even if anyone said this on here
that is fucking hilarious
by blackoutsox on Oct 13, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
over the top
I’ll be the first to say that I do not like TT. But you go too far. When I make my statements, no one jumps all over me. No one heaps praises or worships Lord Ted as you put it. There are a few people who will genuinely make some arguments in favor of keeping Ted Thompson. I do not get angry at them for doing so. We are all entitled to our opinions. What is annoying is when someone comes in and makes insulting comments about others. That is not helpful for anyone.
You say this site is crap. By doing so, you also imply that those who read and post comments on this site are also crap. That is unfair and over the top. I am thankful that you are not here anymore to read it.
As for the signing of Mark Tauscher, I will post a separate message about that.
by starmark on Oct 13, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sure hope this is just a bad case of sarcasm.
You say this site is crap. By doing so, you also imply that those who read and post comments on this site are also crap. That is unfair and over the top.
Green and Gold / Black, and White
by OznCoop on Oct 13, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The site is not Crap,
these sites are meant to be not only a good source of information, which this is and I credit Mitchell and Brandon for that, HOWEVER: these sites are also designed to be a fun place to hang out (i.e. SouthSideSox) and a place for Packer fans to come together as a community. That is what this site needs to work on and it is going to need the help of Mitchell_M’s toned down attitude.
Green and Gold / Black, and White
by OznCoop on Oct 13, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tauscher's not ready
I had hoped he would be ready. Unfortunately, he is not ready. If he is still noticeably limping, that cannot be a good sign. He is not in shape either. Even when he heals, when will he be in football shape? Does anyone honestly think it will be in time for the Vikings game? I hope so, but I have my doubts. I think a trade for better linemen might be TT’s best option. I just do not see the ultra-conservative Thompson give up draft picks or players to fill our most vital needs at this point even if it costs us our QB, injury-wise, for the rest of the year.
I know the next couple games are supposedly easy. Yet this is the NFL. No games are easy. If the Packers lose to the better-than-advertised Lions or the struggling Browns, then you better believe the Vikings are going to do what they did last Monday to the Packers and probably worse since Favre is getting even more comfortable with his receivers now. If the Packers try to stop the pass, then Peterson will run more. No, the Vikings will have a field day in Lambeau. That is something none of us want to see, but I doubt there is anything the Packers can do about it.
by starmark on Oct 13, 2009 4:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if he's gonna trade
he better act fast. i’d like to see something like this happen but i’m not holding my breath for two reasons.
1. who has enough (quality) offensive line depth at this point in the season that is willing to get rid of it? (admittedly i have no idea)
2. the reason you mentioned above, TT’s reluctance to part with draft picks.
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Oct 13, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
to be fair. If the offensive line is any better, at all, than it was in the first meeting, and we have Bigby back from injury, I think we’ll handle the Vikings just fine. We’ll really have an idea after this Sunday, when they play thier 2nd real football game.
by StephanL on Oct 13, 2009 5:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed ,
and we shall know more, after you guys play the lions .
who by the way, had a chance against steelers last week.
plus was our one real game against the pack, or the niners?
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by whanabarf on Oct 13, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he was
referring to the Pack! Us having our starters on the field all together for the first time since the bears game!
But I think we all will know who the Vikings are in the next 3 weeks. If they are for real or not with the Ravens, Steelers and then the Pack again.
by bizzle4 on Oct 13, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct
We will all have a clear picture of where the Vikings and Packers are after the next three weeks. Everyone has jumped to way too many conclusions after the first month of the season. If the Pack beat the Lions and Browns but lose to the Vikings at home, we will know that they are still average. If the Vikings don’t win at least two of the next three games than most of us will be right that they are a good but not great team. If they win two or all three of them than the Viking fans optimism was valid.
by GGGamer on Oct 13, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Niners...
are not the same team without Gore. That wasn’t a real football game. They almost managed to lose, also.
by StephanL on Oct 13, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Do you think it's inevitable that Tauscher will take back the starting right tackle job?"
Yes. But the bigger question to me is, “Will Tauscher earn the starting spot, or will the ‘anyone but Barbre’ mentality force him in there?”
Barbre might have been the first leak in the dam, but he sure as heck didn’t let all the water through himself when it collapsed. But really, scape goats make everyone feel better.
(No, I’m not defending Barbre’s allowed sacks, but I think Tauscher is going to be no better than Barbre at best. Guess I’m glass half-empty on this one)
by Danwood on Oct 13, 2009 9:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Welcome back Tausch!!!!!!!
As a Wisconsin kid myself, I think it’s great to have FINALLY resigned Tausch. Long overdue too, Ted should’ve gotten off his ass and on the phone after the Bears game. But seems he is to busy getting rid of Packers who were there before him (Favre)while finding places to hide his crappy draft choices(Harrell)!!!!! If he had signed Tausch earlier, he would be starting by now instead of just getting back into the mix. We could be undefeated if the o-line was healthy and effective!! But I can settle for more nails in Teds coffin as GM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by cfpb on Oct 13, 2009 10:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why would TT be getting a guy in who couldn't get on a field for 3 more weeks?
You people would probably call for TT’s head if he didn’t roll down his window and chuck out a 10 spot for a pan handler.
And how do you know he wasn’t calling up Tauscher and saying “Hey, when you’re medically clear to play again, I want to see you?”
by Danwood on Oct 14, 2009 6:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
God, it's posts like these that beg for an "unrecommend" function.
by 400metres on Oct 14, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Lord
And it’s always the same thing with these guys; Favre was a bad move and Justin Harrell is a bust. They’re so fricken predictable.
by GGGamer on Oct 14, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
You nailed it on the head with Favre was a bad move and Harrell is a bust. Those are the main two I always seem to hear. And again I just want to reiterate that I’m not a huge TT supporter by any means. But it’s easy to find mistakes every GM has made in the draft, or with trades.
by packallday555 on Oct 14, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
You: Ok, ok, Ted’s made some mistakes over his tenure, but show me any NFL GM who hasn’t. Overall, you have to give credit to the guy for rebuilding a team into an NFC Championship participant only two years removed from inheriting a team devoid of talent at several critical positions and burdened with numerous expensive contracts with veterans who were underperforming, if they even played at all.
Them: ZOMG!!!!! Ted sucxxxx over 9000!!! Bust-in Harrell and betraying Favre has destroyed the Pack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Where’s Jon Ryan, huh?? Take off your TT-lovin blinders!!!!!!!!!!!
You: Alllllright then.
by 400metres on Oct 14, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HaHaHa
Perfect 400metres. That is exactly how it is. I’ve never been on the outside looking in, but if I were an ignorant football fan and decided to support the Packers I would definitely side on the arguments of those like us who support and criticize management and coaching decisions but do it thoughtfully. The TT bashers/Favre lovers just spew off at the mouth and never ever answer direct questions about successes of management and failures of Favre or vice versa. It’s like your dealing with little kids but you know they’re grown men.
by GGGamer on Oct 14, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you say rebuild??
Are you forgetting that the Packers were a WINNING team BEFORE Ted Thompson showed up? The Packers won FOUR straight NFC North championships directly before Ted Thompson appeared on the scene. What is the first thing that TT does when he appears? He does not rebuild. He tears apart. He starts with arguably the best o-line in the NFL. Talk about irony (since we have such problems with the o-line today). The following year, the Packers struggle because their o-line is torn apart and suffer a string of injuries the like of which I have never seen. Mike Sherman gets the blame (we so love our scapegoats). How quickly we forget that Sherman actually led this team to the playoffs time and time again. The only knock on Sherman was that he couldn’t seem to get the Pack into the SB. At least he could get them into the playoffs. That is something TT and MM cannot do.
It is not just about a few mistakes that Thompson has made. He has actually done a fine job in some areas. Yet the Packers will not win as long as Ted Thompson is GM. That is fact. His greatest failures as GM center around the draft and an inability to provide the right kind of players for an offensive line. There was little need to rebuild a playoff caliber team. Thompson wanted to tear apart the Packers and put his own stamp on the organization. That included getting rid of all the veterans that were here before his term. That also included getting rid of the greatest QB to play the game of football. That QB is now playing for a rival and beating our favorite team. Thank you, Ted Thompson. You have really showed us how to handle yourself and tear apart not only the team, but an entire fan base. Mark Murphy, Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy are all at fault for how this team has ended up. They all need to find new jobs.
by starmark on Oct 15, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That also included getting rid of the greatest QB to play the game of football. That QB is now playing for a rival and beating our favorite team. Thank you, Ted Thompson.
Haha there it is folks. I knew it was coming at some point. Some people just cannot get over this. Favre is gone and it’s for good. He is never coming back let it go!
Are you forgetting that the Packers were a WINNING team BEFORE Ted Thompson showed up? The Packers won FOUR straight NFC North championships directly before Ted Thompson appeared on the scene. What is the first thing that TT does when he appears? He does not rebuild. He tears apart. He starts with arguably the best o-line in the NFL.
That team in 05’ was horrible and that was not TT’s fault. How can you blame TT for the 05’ season? It wasn’t the team he had put together. He then got us 4 more wins from the 05’ season in 06’, and 5 more wins in the 07’ season then the 06’ season. Yes, we only had 6 wins in 08’, but I don’t think we can blame injuries on TT. (Anytime you have 5 starters on defense getting hurt, and your 2 starting T’s get hurt, your generally going to be in trouble.)
Tear apart? Winters retired. The Cowboys signed Rivera away from us for a RIDICULOUS amount, considering the stage of his career we were in. Another thing TT can’t control is age. That great Packers o-line was relatively old when he took over, and trying to rebuild the o-line isn’t any easy thing to do. Spitz and Colledge have looked good when being able to play their natural positions. And really Sitton has been pretty darn good too. He went up against what is probably the best DT in the NFL in Kevin Williams and really did a very good job against him.
He has managed to put together a respectable interior o-line, the problems really are our T’s. He inherited Clifton and Tauscher when taking over. Considering both had Pro Bowl type years in 07’, TT probably thought he would be ok with them at the two T positions for a couple of years. Then in 08’ both of them went down with serious injuries. He had taken a couple of T’s in the later rounds, and probably thought with Clifton and Tauscher still there, that those guys would be able to develop and learn from those two good veteran guys. Barbre was thrown into the mix this year because of the injury to Tauscher, and he has looked horrible. He probably will never be a very good player, and TT missed on him. Oh well, it’s not like that doesn’t happen. He took Lang in this years draft, and when we saw him against arguably the NFL’s best DE he looked pretty darn good.
He has done a good job of building pretty much everything on our team aside from that o-line. Like you pointed out, he inherited much of the o-line, and therefore really didn’t have to concentrate much on it. He has gotten us 3 solid guys, and now needs to take care of our T issues. Our o-line troubles started just last year and I don’t think it’s realistic to jump on him because he hasn’t found two new good T’s just one year later.
by packallday555 on Oct 15, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2004 Packers Starting Lineup
I took the liberty of bolding the guys that are still in the league and performing at a starting caliber level. Keep in mind this is the team that was in place the year before TT was brought in. Almost all of them are now out of the league…not just not starting but not on teams and with no one interested. Lets not pretend that he took over a super bowl contending team. He took over a team that was riding the fumes of its mid to late 90s greatness. Here was the starting lineup in 2004:
Brett Favre QB
Ahman Green & Najeh Davenport RB
William Henderson FB
Donald Driver WR
Robert Ferguson WR
Javon Walker WR
Bubba Franks & David Martin TE
Chad Clifton LT
Mike Wahle LG
Mike Flanagan C
Marco Rivera RG
Mark Tauscher RT
Aaron Kampman LDE
Grady Jackson & Cletidus Hunt DT
Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila RDE
Hannibal Navies LLB
Nick Barnett MLB
Na’il Diggs RLB
Al Harris RCB
Ahmad Carroll/Joey Thomas LCB
Mark Roman FS
Darren Sharper SS
Ryan Longwell K
BJ Sander P
Notice all those names that would be providing SO much help for our team! Sure you could argue we should have held onto Sharper and longwell a little longer…seeing them in purple really sucked. The rest of the guys that left the team had at best 1-2 years of good play (rarely) and most of them flopped out and retired.
Ever consider that just maybe TT was asked to come in and do this? Maybe they hired him and said, hey Ted, its time to reshuffle this deck of cards. You think it was just his idea? No, this was the direction the TEAM needed and wanted to go. Now TT has made some poor decisions…man I can name quite a few. But damn…have you ever seen how brutal rebuilding CAN be? He essentially rebuilt the team without ever having one of those years that gets you a number one pick. Look at teams like Cleveland, Oakland, Detroit, etc. These are teams that have been trying to rebuild for years and you are complaining about THIS team?
Maybe the 13-3 season tricked everyone, but this team was being rebuilt starting in 2005…that was TT job. So far, I can’t say I am pissed about it…you don’t bring in established vets when you are rebuilding, you rely on the draft. NOW my hope is he knows how to exit rebuilding and this next year he realizes that he is a TERRIBLE judge of talent on the Oline and he’ll go after a FA or two that would be a good fit.
Mike Sherman gets the blame (we so love our scapegoats). How quickly we forget that Sherman actually led this team to the playoffs time and time again. The only knock on Sherman was that he couldn’t seem to get the Pack into the SB. At least he could get them into the playoffs. That is something TT and MM cannot do.
Mike Sherman was NOT the scapegoat for his coaching but for his lack of abilities as the GM. He was a TERRIBLE GM…he was an okay coach. Aside from a few really good hits, VERY few players Sherman drafted ended up having successful pro careers. When he failed as a GM, his time was numbered. Wolf screwed up in not giving Holmgren that role before he left…maybe one of his bigger oopsies.
Unfortunately this entire portion of your post is just completely based on nothing! TT and MM have gotten to the playoffs and even the NFC Championship so I really don’t see what your point there is based on but dreaming.
by TrevorR on Oct 16, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just Read This
TrevorR you are obviously completely correct. As you can see starmark didn’t make any legitimate points, just name calling, and when you pulled out the players he didn’t respond. They never do. I also bet that he was happy when Favre was lighting up Derrick Martin and the Packers lost even though he’s on here acting like a fan.
by GGGamer on Oct 17, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ted screwed the Packers by getting rid of Favre
I hope Favre crushes the Packers at Lambeau and they go 2-14 so we can finally get rid of Thompson. It’s time for Teddy boy to go.
by Charlie Kelly on Oct 14, 2009 8:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is so much fun
we might want to create an Ironic Anti-Ted Comments FanPost thread.
by 400metres on Oct 14, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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