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Aaron Rodgers On Holding The Ball

The Green Bay Packers remain 1st in the league in sacks allowed with 20. There are a couple teams close on their heels (the Bills have allowed 18, the Lions and Chiefs have allowed 17 each), but all those teams have played 5 games. You have to go down to Carolina at No. 11 with 12 sacks allowed to find another team that's only played in 4 games.

While the primarily culprit has been the poor play at tackle, QB Aaron Rodgers has deserves some blame for all those sacks. Greg Bedard asked him again about it; from JSOnline.com:

"You know what? I'm playing the way I feel like I'm playing. I'm playing with instincts and, yeah, a couple times I probably held the ball a little too long but we need to all do our jobs, myself included, and I'm going to do better and get the ball out of my hands as quickly as I can. But we need to protect a little better as well."

My opinion is that he's playing just fine, under normal circumstances. But right now, his offensive line is struggling and he has to be aware of it. He has some responsibility to get rid of the ball as soon as the play called allows. What do you think about his quote? Should he even admit he's doing anything wrong?

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I actually think he was a little TOO pointed

at the offensive line. Rodgers is a leader on the team, no doubt. His words carry a lot of weight in the locker room. If he says “Hey, guys, stop sucking,” people are going to respond.

However, with everybody piling on the offensive line lately, I think Rodgers should have recognized that he can take some of the heat off of them by taking it on himself. Take it from someone who’s endured his fair share of criticism: when you have it coming from all directions, it’s tough to deal with. And it can actually work against you and prevent you from improving.

I agree with Brandon in that, under normal circumstances, Rodgers really isn’t holding the ball too long. But because of his poor protection, his window to make a pass is way smaller than it should be. The problem isn’t with Rodgers, it’s the O-line. He’s totally correct in saying what he said. But if it were me, I would have took some more blame onto myself so that there was at least one person who didn’t (publicly) criticize the offensive line.

Then again, I was an amateur, and these guys are professionals, so it might be a moot point. I’m just speaking from my own experience.

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by Mitchell_M on Oct 15, 2009 7:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's not ask him to change too much...

He may be holding the ball a little too long some times, but let’s look at the consequences of that. He first of all has a lot of confidence in his feet and his ability to both buy time and make a throw on the run and to run for significant yardage are a huge part of his game.

Do we want him to lose that confidence?

Secondly, he doesn’t turn the ball over. I haven’t brushed up on the stats, but I believe he has one INT and one fumble. That’s two turnovers in four games. I’ll take that any day.

Ask him to start getting rid of the ball quicker and you take away another positive.

He can certainly keep improving but no one’s a perfect quarterback. They may have tendencies that get pointed out as negatives at times, but I think those negatives also go hand in hand with the positives.

Rodgers is the least of our worries.

by Cervercero on Oct 15, 2009 8:43 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes

The last thing I want is for Rodgers to start getting “happy feet” and losing his pocket presence. While he has probably hung on to the ball a bit too long in some cases, I feel this has more to do with a lack of open receivers. With running backs and tight ends forced to stay home and block, his check down options are eliminated and he needs to wait for receivers to get open down field. He needs to keep doing what he’s doing, and hopefully the offensive line will come around as it gets healthy and Tauscher returns.

by jglowack on Oct 15, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

INT's or Sacks

Sacks lose 5-10 yards.

INT’s lose any chance of picking up a 1st down, lose the ball, and compared to a punt lose more field position.

Soooo, pick your poison.

And yes, I am comparing him to Favre of old.

by Acme on Oct 15, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He could just throw the ball away

Just a thought. 5 safeties in a season and a quarter. Nobody else is close.

by ktenreb on Oct 15, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

true

very true.

he does need to do that more.

by Acme on Oct 15, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

throwing it away is the best possible scenario. the safeties absolutely must stop

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Oct 15, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True but

Most of the times he gets pressure when he is standing inside the pocket. It’s relatively difficult to throw the ball away when this happens. A lot of intentional grounding can result in trying to throw the ball away while still being inside the pocket.

5 safties always shows how porous the o-line has been. Now I would say 3 of those are his fault but he could blinsided within 2 seconds after hiking the ball on a couple of those.

by packallday555 on Oct 15, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am bothered

that we can legitimately discuss whose fault the safeties were. I am not bothered by what anybody says, I am just bothered that we can have such a long conversation about them

by ktenreb on Oct 15, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha yes this true

But bottom line like you said, they need to stop. And for that to happen Rodgers needs to do some things as well as the o-line.

by packallday555 on Oct 15, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point but...

He’s in the pocket. Grounding would be a safety anyways. Or there could be a pick six.

by Cervercero on Oct 15, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A different perspective

The Lacrosse Tribune article seemed to get a different feel from Rodgers:

Despite spending too much time on the turf, the second-year starter isn’t inclined to call out his line.
“It really doesn’t do any good,” Rodgers said Wednesday. “I trust those guys. I love those guys. They take care of me, I take care of them. That’s the way it goes. We have a tight-knit relationship. Nothing gets done when you do something like that publicly.”

If him saying that he is going to keep playing his way is the worst it gets I am happy with that. There are a ton of NFL players that would be quick to point the finger.

No doubt there are some sacks that were caused by him not getting rid of the ball, and some where he never had a chance. If we want him to be a playmaker then he has to try and make stuff happen which will come with some sacks.

I really think we can only get better. Fingers crossed the early bye week will help us get back to the team we were against the Bears.

by Fan_in_CO on Oct 15, 2009 11:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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by PackerHaiku on Oct 15, 2009 11:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

about 5 safeties…
give it a freaking rest, dude
2 points or seven?

by warvette on Oct 15, 2009 12:33 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Generally

it’s not 2 points. It’s 5 or 9.

by ktenreb on Oct 15, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know

I’m just sayin safeties are preferrable to throwing pick-sixes. McCarthy coaches him to live to fight another day, which favre never embraced. 270 or so starts means the ball gets out before he gets hit, but, you can probably tell where I’m going with this- safeties are better than leading the league in int’s.

by warvette on Oct 15, 2009 1:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

False dichotomy

It’s not an either/or question. There are QBs who neither have a lot of safeties or interceptions.

The guy doesn’t get rid of the ball as quickly as some other QBs, and the line is a poor one. It’s a bad combination.

by uglyfatpimplynerd on Oct 15, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

huh?

HOw do you figure. OH you mean the play where the packers challenged the safety and gave it to the Vikes, kicked off and then stopped them on the next drive? Yeah they took an easy 7 pts for the Vikes and turned it into 2. Genius move.

by TrevorR on Oct 15, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that 2 pts is better than 7 but

giving up 0 points is even better. The safeties certainly can’t continue to pile up

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Oct 15, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

true true...

but I think there is a lot of people to blame: The Oline, WRs (not getting open), and playcalling. Rodgers clearly gets the lionshare though. The do need to stop, but there are FAR worse things than sacks. Sure they are free points but at least he’s not throwing INTs in those situations and at least he didn’t run out of the back of the endzone like that one Lion QB did last year! haha

by TrevorR on Oct 16, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no argument from me

completing passes > throwing it away > taking sack > throwing INT

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Oct 16, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

This comment causes me almost as much worry as the hits Rodgers is taking.

Not for its, in my opinion, sufficiently subtle calling out of the Oline; but for his apparent refusal to acknowledge that he needs to adjust his own game despite the fact that the coaches are telling him he should do so.

It’s probably nothing more than a guy in his mid-20’s getting tired of hearing he holds the ball too long, particularly since the coaches went out of their way to call him “very coachable” after word got out on his comments. But if, by some chance, it reveals his conviction that he won’t adjust his game, then that’s potentially a big problem.

Personally, I don't give a crap about Brett Favre.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 15, 2009 5:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

check the full article

felt this quote painted the wrong picture.

AR has a great approach to the game and has always acted the right way, better than Favre, MM, or TT last year.

I am not worried about him at all.

He does need to improve his anticipation, but I believe that comes with time. Manning and Brady are better now then in their 2nd years. He will improve.

by Acme on Oct 15, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes...

With so many expectations, let’s not forget that this guy is in his second year as a starter. He’s going to learn to read defenses better.

by Cervercero on Oct 15, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My take

While I acknowledge that Rodgers occasionally hangs on to the ball too long, a lot of the time I think it’s just perceived that he does this. The o-line really doesn’t give him any time in the pocket. I would say on average he gets like 2, maybe 3 seconds. So when he does get 4 or 5 seconds (like pretty much every other good QB gets) and he holds it, it may just seem like he is holding onto it too long because we aren’t used to seeing him with a lot of time.

I like that he kind of seems like he doesn’t need to change his playing style. He is a smart QB, and really has the ability to go through all his progressions (many, many starting QBs don’t do this well). Obviously that takes time, but it obviously can be very effective for us. This is also a big reason for him only having thrown 1 interception this year, and only 13 interceptions last year. Now I would say he should adjust his style a bit because of our porous o-line play but it’s not like that’s an easy thing to do. He is going to be more effective playing the way he is accustomed to and the way he has had success playing, as opposed to adjusting his play because of our porous o-line play.

It really just comes down to the o-line. We have to figure out a way to protect better.

by packallday555 on Oct 15, 2009 7:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

McCarthy knew

McCarthy knew the Vikings D-line would kill the Packers. That’s why there were supposed to be so many three-step drops. The problem was that the Vikings were playing the quick slants and outs. Rodgers did NOT read the coverages well and he did NOT go through his progressions well; instead, he held the ball and got killed. I am no Daryn Colledge fan (in my opinion he should consider teaching high school becasue he’d be better at it), but in partial defense of his, ahem, efforts, the passing plays were not designed as though Rodgers was taking seven step drops. He was supposed to challenge, then cut, to give Rodgers the 2.8 seconds he needed.

by ktenreb on Oct 15, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

McCarthy knew the Vikings D-line would kill the Packers. That’s why there were supposed to be so many three-step drops. The problem was that the Vikings were playing the quick slants and outs. Rodgers did NOT read the coverages well and he did NOT go through his progressions well; instead, he held the ball and got killed.

Yes, MM did know this and he did have Rodgers doing many three step drops, and initially they worked very well. But like yyou pointed out the Vikes started to play these quick routes. It was at that point that MM had to start changing up his play-calling a bit. We drove down into Vikes territory really at ease. And we had done this by passing 7 times compared to running only 1 time. Condsidering we were fairly deep into Vikes territory why not start to try and run a bit more? As the field shortens passing becomes much more difficult, especially since all we were running was short routes anyway.

I am no Daryn Colledge fan (in my opinion he should consider teaching high school becasue he’d be better at it), but in partial defense of his, ahem, efforts, the passing plays were not designed as though Rodgers was taking seven step drops. He was supposed to challenge, then cut, to give Rodgers the 2.8 seconds he needed.

Ah the Rodgers fumble play. The problem with Colledge challenging and cutting on this play was that he failed miserably at both. His challenge was soft and his cut really didn’t even slow Allen up. In the mean time Barbre did one of his oles (that we have been so accustom to seeing these first four weeks) on Edwards. Rodgers initial read was Jennings on the right side but seeing as how Barbre hardly even touched Edwards, Rodgers wasn’t able to make that read. As a result he turned to run away from Edwards, and right as he turned around he Allen coming with a full head of steam from the other side. That play was not a result of him holding the ball, but rather porous o-line play. He does however, need to make sure that he holds onto that football.

by packallday555 on Oct 15, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For what it's worth

Joe Philbin doesn’t think Rodger’s holds on too long. He only blames about 5 of his 20 sacks on Rodgers.
http://www.espnmilwaukee.com/blogs/jason.php

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by bluejazz04 on Oct 15, 2009 11:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

In defense of Rodgers
  • He’s got a top-10 (#7) passer rating
  • He’s #12 in yards/game
  • Only one interception

Yeah, 20 sacks in 4 games is way too many. But the biggest problem (IMO) is the risk of injury—he’s going to miss games if he keeps taking sacks like that, and Flynn and/or Brohm won’t do any better.

Safeties, I think, are a side issue. Solve the protection issues, and the safties go away.

by DaveInTucson on Oct 16, 2009 2:26 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Field position

If we weren’t starting on the 10 yard line for some of these drives, safeties wouldn’t be an issue either. The Vikes got some VERY lucky bounces on some of those kicks that put us in a tough position.

What was with Kendall's shaved head?....looks like a fist with eyes.
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by bluejazz04 on Oct 16, 2009 6:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

SO TRUE

We got KILLED in field position lately…good angle to point out!

by TrevorR on Oct 16, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

That’s Vikings football at it’s best. They get ALL the bounces in the dome.

by packallday555 on Oct 16, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't imagine

the kinds of comments that would be coming if we actually had POOR quarterback play. yeah there are things we’d like to see improvement on but honestly Rodgers is making something out of nothing often times. He rarely has time to make all his reads and honestly he’s performing like a star despite all the pressure. He’s not turning the ball over which after 15 years of INT-world, its a little refreshing. True, he doesn’t have the Favre moxie and his ability to rally the team when down at the end yet, but it will come. He is still VERY young and not even in his prime yet. The sacks need to come down and its a lot of people who take responsibility for them from coaches to players.

by TrevorR on Oct 16, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or the reverse...

Imagine if Rodgers was getting protection. He would look like the he did in preseason…ie DOMINANT. I didn’t hear any complaints about him hanging onto the ball too long, not getting to his progressions, etc. in the Arizona game. I know….it was the preseason….but it shows what his potential is when the pocket isn’t collapsing around him on nearly every play.

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by bluejazz04 on Oct 16, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rodgers is playing

about as well as a second year starter with the presently worst offensive line in the NFL can play. The bad protection has a number of factors and Rodgers is definitely part of that, but like packallday stated, it looks like he’s holding it longer than he his because the d-line is on him within 2.5 seconds. I like how he’s using his feet to get away from the pressure and some of that entails getting sacked but there is worse alternatives like throwing picks or getting intentional grounding. The best thing Rodgers can start doing is throw some of them away like ktenreb stated. I like most of what he has done up until this point but the sacks could be 16 or 17 instead of 20 if he threw a few of those away.

by GGGamer on Oct 16, 2009 12:44 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

o line

what’s it going to take to get those fat slobs to block.Barbre should be spelled barber and get “cut”. It’s bad enough he doesn’t touch his guy but ends up falling on Rodgers at the end of the play. 300 lbs of slob falling on you QB is not good!!!

by CurtisE on Oct 16, 2009 9:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's gonna take

Clifton staying healthy for the rest of the season, Tauscher making a close-to-miraculous recovery in the next couple of weeks, and Sitton and Spitz coming getting more experience at center and right guard.

I’ve been completely doom and gloom about the o-line because it’s been so bad, but one thing we have to realize is that when Clifton was healthy the line was fairly solid except for Barbre. With Clifton back, if Tauscher can effectively replace Barbre sooner than later, the o-line could be solid.

by GGGamer on Oct 17, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve been completely doom and gloom about the o-line because it’s been so bad, but one thing we have to realize is that when Clifton was healthy the line was fairly solid except for Barbre. With Clifton back, if Tauscher can effectively replace Barbre sooner than later, the o-line could be solid.

Exactly. Our o-line really wasn’t that bad aside from Barbre. The Bears game Clifton did a great job on Brown, the problem was Barbre couldn’t even touch Ogunleye most of game. And Clifton did give up 2 sacks to Odom but Rodgers held the ball a bit too long on 1 of them, and then Colledge came in and sucked it up at LT, which was also the case against the Vikings. Clifton being back will help and if Tauscher can come back soon, I think it will help a lot.

by packallday555 on Oct 17, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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