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Recap: Green Bay Packers Shutout Lions 26-0

I understand how a 26-0 blowout might seem depressing. The offensive line had a lot of trouble pass blocking and there were some huge penalties. A 99 yard kick return was negated by a penalty. There were 5 personal fouls. And it looked like LT Chad Clifton reinjured the same ankle he hurt in week 2 against the Bengals.

But this was a dominant effort. Yards: 435 to 149. TOP: 40:48 to 19:12. The Lions are no playoff team, but their offense had been somewhat productive this season. And they hadn't been shut out since 2001. The Lions were 0-10 on 3rd down, and 0-2 on 4th down. QB Aaron Rodgers had another great game, although it was expected since the Lions pass defense has been bad. 

After 5 games, the defense is starting to put it together. The only bad defensive game was against the Bengals. They struggled, at times, in pass defense against the Rams and Vikings, but a lot of that had to do with the absence of SS Atari Bigby and the lack of a competent backup safety. QB Drew Stanton and QB Daunte Culpepper combined for a QB rating under 23 in this game. Although they allowed 4.3 yards/carry, the running game never posed a problem, and they were constantly in the Lions backfield making tackles.

I mentioned Clifton's injury above, and it looked serious to me. There were a couple other injuries: WR Jordy Nelson suffered a knee bruise and DT B.J. Raji reinjured his ankle, but neither seems serious

The Packers are one of the best teams in the NFC, with a potent pass offense and an improving defense. They just dominated an inferior team, something you should expect from a playoff team, and look really good heading into the rest of the season. 

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The play-by-play from NFL.com:

First Quarter:

4-J.Hanson kicks 69 yards from DET 30 to GB 1. 87-J.Nelson for 99 yards, TOUCHDOWN NULLIFIED by Penalty. PENALTY on GB-62-E.Dietrich-Smith, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at GB 30.

Let the penalties...begin! On the replay it looked like LB Clay Matthews grabbed a little too much jersey, and it wasn't Dietrich-Smith on the penalty. Obviously it could have been a huge call in a close game, but it was almost a clean play. Unlike some of the other penalties...

(11:36) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass deep right to 89-J.Jones for 47 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Penalty on DET-94-C.Bryan, Defensive Offside, declined.

WR James Jones has been a disappointment this season, with only 5 receptions. But on a couple plays, it's helped that teams seem to be forgetting all about him. He had a 34 yard catch against the Vikings, and then this 47 yard TD pass on a blown coverage. Though he did make a nice move to make the defender miss him at the 20 yard line.

(10:14) (Shotgun) 11-D.Culpepper pass short left intended for 34-K.Smith INTERCEPTED by 77-C.Jenkins [74-A.Kampman] at DET 21. 77-C.Jenkins to DET 17 for 4 yards (76-J.Backus).

Mitchell complemented the play by DE Cullen Jenkins in an early post, and it was a heck of a play. He had a great game overall, getting into the backfield often to put pressure on the QB.

(9:28) 12-A.Rodgers pass short left to 80-D.Driver to DET 6 for 5 yards (26-L.Delmas). PENALTY on GB-73-D.Colledge, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced between downs.

Here's the reception that established WR Donald Driver as the Packers' career leader in receptions, and then LG Daryn Colledge commits a dumb late hit. No excuse for it.

(7:25) 12-A.Rodgers pass short left to 30-J.Kuhn for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

At this point, the rout was on. QB Aaron Rodgers rolled to his left, felt no pressure, and had his choice of receivers. The Lions made the choice easy by double covering the deep receiver, and left FB John Kuhn all alone near the goal line.

(7:16) 11-D.Culpepper sacked at DET 25 for -9 yards (52-C.Matthews).

After the penalty on the opening kickoff, Matthews spent the rest of the game kicking butt. He abused LT Jeff Backus in pass protection and run blocking. For the game, he had 2 sacks, 3 tackles for losses, and 1 pass defense. 

(6:07) 2-N.Harris punts 48 yards to GB 22, Center-48-D.Muhlbach. 87-J.Nelson MUFFS catch, and recovers at GB 22. 87-J.Nelson to GB 23 for 1 yard (25-M.White).

Add injury to insult: WR Jordy Nelson fumbles his second punt return in two games, and suffers a knee bruise for his troubles. The X-rays were negative, so hopefully he has a quick recovery. 

(2:44) 12-A.Rodgers sacked at GB 31 for -9 yards (92-C.Avril). DET-94-C.Bryan was injured during the play.

Ugh. This was the play when RT Allen Barbre let DE Cliff Avril run right past him, untouched for the sack. Barbre is solid most of the time, but then has at least one dumb play/game. As soon as RT Mark Tauscher is back in playing shape, I expect he'll replace him.

(:15) 34-K.Smith left end to GB 22 for -1 yards (90-B.Raji, 52-C.Matthews).

I still can't believe they went for it on 4th down. Yes, it wasn't looking good for their defense and they were down 14-0 already. Even if it's a shootout, you have to get points wherever you can. Still, it did nothing but help the Packers. Another great play by Matthews. 

Second Quarter:

(14:20) 25-R.Grant left tackle to GB 41 for 1 yard (90-G.Jackson).

It's not a good sign that they struggled to run the ball against a poor run defense, until late in the 4th quarter. 

(10:35) 2-N.Harris punts 22 yards to DET 36, Center-48-D.Muhlbach, downed by DET-40-M.Manuel. PENALTY on GB-96-M.Montgomery, Defensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at DET 36.

How can you commit a penalty on a punt return that was downed?

(5:31) 2-N.Harris punts 37 yards to GB 26, Center-48-D.Muhlbach. 38-T.Williams pushed ob at DET 29 for 45 yards (2-N.Harris). DET-92-C.Avril was injured during the play.

Great punt return by CB Tramon Williams! He broke about 4 tackles on the run back. And then he never returned another punt? CB Charles Woodson replaced him the rest of the game because...the wind picked up? Just an odd decision given Williams 1st return, and that he's done this in the past.

(3:17) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers sacked at DET 18 for -9 yards (59-J.Peterson).

Was the sack by Avril the worst unblocked sack? Or was this the worst unblocked sack? Somehow LT Chad Clifton and Colledge managed to open a giant hole up the middle for LB Julian Peterson to run unblocked through. 

(1:04) (Run formation) 21-A.Brown right end to DET 44 for -1 yards (41-S.Havner). Yard marker changed due to change of possession.

A fake punt attempt, with the punter going under center in a three man offensive line, just to pitch it to a running back? The Packers special teams unit hasn't been great this season, but they've had no trouble with fake punt attempts. This might have been a dumber idea for the Lions then going for it on 4th and short in the 1st quarter.

(:38) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass deep middle to 88-J.Finley to DET 8 for 30 yards (40-M.Manuel).

TE Donald Lee had one drop, but TE Jermichael Finley caught everything his way. Overall: 9 catches for 102 yards by the tight ends.

Third Quarter:

(14:57) 34-K.Smith right tackle to DET 20 for -3 yards (36-N.Collins).

The first play of the new half is a running play that is completely blown up by FS Nick Collins.

(13:23) 5-D.Stanton pass incomplete short right to 80-B.Johnson. DET-80-B.Johnson was injured during the play.

Just an awful first drive for the Lions. Culpepper tweaks his hamstring on a scramble. QB Drew Stanton leads WR Bryant Johnson on his 1st pass right into a giant hit by Collins. Although, if Collins had been playing the ball, he probably would have had an INT.

(13:00) PENALTY on GB-76-C.Clifton, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at GB 22 - No Play.

That was Clifton's 2nd false start of the game. Some rust after a couple games off.

2-M.Crosby kicks 59 yards from GB 30 to DET 11. 12-D.Williams to DET 27 for 16 yards (41-S.Havner). PENALTY on GB-51-B.Poppinga, Personal Foul, 15 yards, enforced at DET 27.

I'm not the biggest fan of LB Brady Poppinga, but it looked like he slipped, slid into a Lion below his knees, and was called for an illegal chop block. It hardly looked intentional. 

(7:00) 5-D.Stanton pass deep left intended for 84-B.Pettigrew INTERCEPTED by 31-A.Harris at GB 29. 31-A.Harris ran ob at GB 29 for no gain.

Just the right place, at the right time, for CB Al Harris. He was trailing the play and TE Brandon Pettigrew tipped the ball up, and right to Harris. 

(4:42) 12-A.Rodgers pass deep left to 80-D.Driver to DET 21 for 37 yards (38-D.Faggins). Penalty on DET-38-D.Faggins, Defensive Pass Interference, declined.

Another sick, one-handed catch by Driver. He had one earlier this season in St. Louis. 

(2:56) 12-A.Rodgers sacked at DET 3 for 0 yards (59-J.Peterson). FUMBLES (59-J.Peterson), touched at DET 10, RECOVERED by DET-55-L.Foote at DET 15. 55-L.Foote to DET 15 for no gain (32-B.Jackson).

Ugh. It was a team effort by the offensive line to blow that much in pass protection.

(1:03) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 5-D.Stanton sacked at GB 42 for -4 yards (74-A.Kampman).

A good game for LB Aaron Kampman, who looked like his old self with 5 QB hits. He really owned RT Gosder Cherlius.

Fourth Quarter:

(15:00) (Shotgun) 5-D.Stanton sacked at GB 46 for -8 yards (31-A.Harris).

A sack on a cornerback blitz. I don't know if it was the Lions awful pass blocking, but this was what I expected from Dom Capers defense: a pass rush that can come from anywhere. 

(14:21) 25-R.Grant right guard to GB 18 for 9 yards (26-L.Delmas, 40-M.Manuel).

McCarthy was happy with the running game because it got yards when the defense knew they had to stop the run. 

(11:41) 12-A.Rodgers pass short middle intended for 89-J.Jones INTERCEPTED by 54-D.Levy at DET 40. 54-D.Levy to DET 45 for 5 yards (89-J.Jones). FUMBLES (89-J.Jones), and recovers at DET 45. 54-D.Levy to DET 45 for no gain (70-T.Lang).

Rodgers underthrew it, but it looked like a great play by rookie (and ex-Badger) LB DeAndre Levy, who dropped back and went up to grab the INT. 

(9:56) (Shotgun) 5-D.Stanton sacked at GB 35 for -9 yards (sack split by 96-M.Montgomery and 56-N.Barnett). PENALTY on GB-56-N.Barnett, Face Mask (15 Yards), 15 yards, enforced at GB 35.

This was a dumb penalty, but overall, this was the best game of the season for LB Nick Barnett. 

(7:57) (Shotgun) 5-D.Stanton pass short middle intended for 16-J.Standeford INTERCEPTED by 20-A.Bigby at GB -5. Touchback.

The return of SS Atari Bigby wasn't the reason for the shutout, but the pass defense sure looked better with him back there. Great play to cut the receiver off for the INT in the end zone.

(5:00) 32-B.Jackson up the middle to GB 32 for 5 yards (59-J.Peterson). FUMBLES (59-J.Peterson), recovered by GB-88-J.Finley at GB 31. 88-J.Finley to GB 33 for 2 yards (92-C.Avril).

It was good to see RB Brandon Jackson return. He had a nice 12 yard catch for a 3rd down conversion earlier in the game. But it was bad to see a fumble, although Finley was in the right place to recover it.

(4:15) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers left end to GB 43 for 10 yards (38-D.Faggins). PENALTY on GB-80-D.Driver, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced between downs.

A personal foul on Driver? OK, I'm willing to count the five personal fouls as just a fluke game if Driver is committing them too. 

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They had an Ohio State game on

the Big10 Network from 2004. I dont even remember who they were playing beause basically the camera was on Hawk the entire game, he just made play after play. How could you not draft him with that pick? AJ Hawk is still in there somewhere.

by PackaCracka on Oct 19, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

At the risk of upsetting Big 10 fans

The Big 10, and Ohio State in particular, is massively overrated.

by Danwood on Oct 19, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I clearly remember

I’m not an Ohio State fan and they definitely have been overrated but the fact of the matter is Hawk was an absolute monster. When it looked like the Packers were gonna select him, I was looking at a bunch of footage of the guy and he was the exact opposite player he is now. He use to blow people up and just make plays now he just sits back and waits for running backs or whoever to come to him. No one can legitimately blame Thompson if you saw how Hawk played in college. That whole draft sucked though.

by GGGamer on Oct 19, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I’m not trying to spread a false rumor because I have no way of knowing this at all, but myself and a lot of my friends wonder if he was on steroids at OSU. It just makes no sense that he would go from an absolute monster to an average NFL player. I mean guys like James Laurinaitis looked up to him like a God of linebackers and now theyre playing well and he’s not. I wonder what gives.

by GGGamer on Oct 19, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

EXACTLY!

Nothing bothers me more than people that try to cite the pick of Hawk as a bad pick by TT. Sure he hasn’t lived up to the hype, but he was considered at worst a top 5 pick by EVERY SINGLE NCAA EXPERT out there. Every draft person had him falling no later than us. EVERYONE cheered when he was drafted by the Packers (except those that hoped we’d pass on him). He was a MONSTER in college…he’s a workout warrior but something isn’t clicking. If Greene can’t get it out of him, I am worried!

by TrevorR on Oct 19, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

Well Winston Moss is his linebackers coach, not Greene, but I know exactly what you’re saying. Moss is regarded by all the players as a great coach as well and you think Greene’s tenacity as the OLB coach would rub off on him a little bit. I just really would like to know why he is so hesitant on the pro level. He’s still not a bad linebacker (a scout of a previous opponent said he’s a good solid guy but not a playmaker) but if there’s a particular reason why he hasn’t done anything I would love to know. Bishop is a playmaker with the same coaching so you can’t pin the problem on coaching.

by GGGamer on Oct 19, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

A professional GM should do better

Sorry. TT gets paid to ace these picks. He didn’t. That’s how you criticise him. If you want a GM to just follow the draft experts’ consensus, you could have your grandmother do the draft.

A first round pick should be easier than the lower round picks because one has more of the available talent pool to choose from. It might not matter so much if you can make up for a bad first round picks with good ones later in the draft, or FA signings or trades or something, but that hasn’t happened often enough.

by uglyfatpimplynerd on Oct 19, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Terrible argument...

BAH! That is a stupid argument. You are trying to tell me that he should have been able to predict the future? I am sorry but this is ridiculous. I bet 1/3 of first rounders live up to their draft level. Look at that draft. The first pick was Mario Williams who has but their owner was CHASTIZED for not picking Bush who’s basically been a bust.

Honestly Hawk is a decent backer. You are looking and fishing for reasons to criticize TT but you are missing there. There are real reasons, but this is NOT one of them. Hawk was a GREAT talent and graded out to be the best backer in the draft by a long shot. Every expert was high on him and so were the NFL teams.

So TT didn’t follow the experts concensus on the Harrell pick…are you telling me you want more of that?

Hawk is a starter. He’s been one of our top tacklers each year. Last year he spent half the season out of position covering for an injured Barnett. He’s a decent backer. He hasn’t lived up to expectations but he’s SO far from a bust that its almost laughable!!

by TrevorR on Oct 19, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely a terrible argument

Not every guy is gonna turn out. Robert Gallery and A.J. Hawk both looked like guaranteed good players and they didn’t turn out. You can’t always put that on the GM. Sometimes the players are responsible. I’ve also said this many many times, the Harrell pick looks completely terrible in hindsight because no one really knew who he was, the fans booed the pick, and there wasn’t a lot of fan fair around his name, but a lot of GM’s in the league thought he could turn into the best d-lineman in that draft.

People keep making the argument that only Thompson liked him and they could’ve gotten him in the beginning of the second round but that’s just false. Denver was thinking about taking him with the next pick and everyone says he wouldn’t have dropped past 20. Now that pick is definitely on Thompson because Harrell’s done absolutely nothing, but it isn’t because Thompson went out on a limb. Most people, outside of the Mel Kiper listening fans, thought Harrell would be good.

So if your gonna make an argument against Thompson because you hate the guy don’t bring up Hawk cause that’s ridiculous. Nobody mind’s when you guys bring up releasing Anthony Smith or Jon Ryan or not having depth on the o-line but you guys lose credibility when you say Thompson has not gotten any talent (when everyone around the league says how talented the Packers roster is) and you bring up crap like Hawk. Let’s keep it real and quit fishing for reasons not to like someone. I don’t like F***e since he went to the Vikings but I will fully admit that the guy is a really good QB the first three months of the season.

by GGGamer on Oct 19, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's what he's paid to do!

Make draft picks. If that doesn’t involve predicting the future, what does?

Hawk has been a dud. See how much interest he generates when he gets cut next year.

by uglyfatpimplynerd on Oct 20, 2009 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

post…fail.

by TrevorR on Oct 20, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What a logician you are?

Have an argument? Let’s hear it. Otherwise, you’re the one failing.

by uglyfatpimplynerd on Oct 20, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

First off, Hawk will never be cut. Just because he hasn’t become the impact player you would hope the 5th pick the draft would become doesn’t mean he still isn’t a solid guy.

Yes, drafting is as close as it gets when it comes to predicting the future. But when deciding who their going to draft, gm’s look mainly at their play in college. Hawk was the best LB in college football for 2 years period. TT made the right pick at that time. Hawk just never lived up to the potential he showed in college.

by packallday555 on Oct 20, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Hawk was the right pick for the Packers in the slot they had. Thompson can be criticized for other draft picks — the obvious one is Justin Harrell — because they were NOT the right pick at the time. But no criticism is fair for the Hawk pick. Let’s put this issue to bed.

by ktenreb on Oct 21, 2009 6:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am sorry

But if you think any GM out there doesn’t have wins and loses in the draft, you are sorely mistaken. Hawk hasn’t lived up to his #5 status, but he hasn’t been awful either. People are being WAY overdramatic on him.

If hawk were to become a FA he would be signed rather quickly actually. Sorry.

by TrevorR on Oct 20, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In fact

People will recall that Ron Wolf, an awesome GM, had major problems picking successful 1st rounders. Even the best eyes for talent can miss in the first round.

by NYCPac on Oct 20, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ron Wolf's #1 Draft Picks

1991 19 Vinnie Clark (Cornerback Ohio State)
1992 5 Terrell Buckley (Cornerback Florida St)
1993 15 Wayne Simmons (Linebacker Clemson)
1993 29 George Teague (Safety Alabama)
1994 16 Aaron Taylor (Guard Notre Dame)
1995 32 Craig Newsome (Cornerback Arizona State)
1996 27 John Michels (Offensive tackle USC)
1997 30 Ross Verba (Guard Iowa)
1998 19 Vonnie Holliday (Defensive end North Carolina)
1999 25 Antuan Edwards (Safety Clemson)
2000 14 Bubba Franks (Tight end Miami)

Here are Mike Sherman’s picks…
2001 10 Jamal Reynolds (Defensive end Florida St)
2002 20 Javon Walker (Wide receiver Florida St)
2003 29 Nick Barnett (Linebacker Oregon St)
2004 25 Ahmad Carroll (Cornerback Arkansas)

So tell me how TT track record is any worse than that of these guys? We had what, three hits in 15 years in the first round? But but Ron Wolf was a genius…yeah even the genius misses in the first round. There are some really bad players in this list. most of them had less than 5 year careers with their only time on the starting roster being in their first year or two.

TT made a big hit in his first draft with Rodgers and might have one or two this year, we’ll see. Hawk has been disappointing, but he’s no Carroll or Reynolds, or Michaels or Tbuck (oh man I hated him).

by TrevorR on Oct 20, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

try at least 6 for Wolf

dude, Simmons wasn’t an all-star, but was good for 4 years and helped us win a SB.

Aaron Taylor and Verba were great OL. Taylor helped us win a SB. Verba was the 1st rookie OL ever to start in a SB.

Newsome helped us win a SB and was a solid CB. He was overshadowed by our safeties Robinson and Butler.

Javon Walker was a pro-bowl player until his injuries ended his career.

by Acme on Oct 20, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Newsome played in the league for 4 years. He had 4 INTs in his career. He was a starter for what 2 years? I liked him but seriously, you can’t call that one a win.

Verba was an average offensive lineman…average just like Hawk.

I’ll give ya Simmons though his career was short and went downhill fast. He was probably made better by the quality of players around him.

Taylor had potential but played 5 injury plagued years

Walker had ONE good season and a couple okay seasons that he has been living off of for years.

I am sorry but the point of this was that we were being told that missing on a first rounder was inexcusable and that if you draft a first rounder they should be at the top of their game for a full career basically. I could make the same argument for Hawk as was made for all of these guys…that was merely my point with this.

If a first rounders expectation is a great game changing player at his position, there have been VERY few hits in the past 20 years of this organization!

by TrevorR on Oct 20, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the way, I was a huge Walker guy…I’d like to believe that it was an injury that killed his career but honestly I think its more of his personality. He constantly lets money and poor decisions sidetrack him. He could have been great too…I’ll give ya that one as a great pick but he certainly didn’t live up to the hype that he should have.

by TrevorR on Oct 20, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

re: their assessment is waaaay off.

Most of the starters in the NFL are 3rd and below.

Your 1st round pick is usually the owners pick, NFL scouts don’t get their selections until 3rd round or later.

TT is doing fine, he needs to add some veteran help, but we almost naturally have an older team now (yes, I know we are the youngest, but that is because our top talent is so young – Jennings, Barnett, Bigby, AR, JJ, Matthews, etc.) Greg Jennings is a vet now, AR is a vet, etc. Now it will be finding young guys that can help the mainstay old guys.

by Acme on Oct 20, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

true, but

Bishop should play over him.

Hawk is decent. People have said he is a bust, which I disagree with. Mandrich was a bust. Not Hawk.

However, in my opinion Chillars and Bishop should be playing over him.

So, if he is 3rd on the depth chart and you can get a nice trade for him, then do so.

by Acme on Oct 20, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and you have to be fair...

if you are going to jump down a guys throat for missing on a pick then its time for you guys to give credit where its due. I’ve had enough of the only negative comments. Have some perspective. He’s made some nice picks that went against the experts. Jordy Nelson would be one. We were all shocked but he’s been a good impact player for us this year. He made a great pick with Finley. Jennigns was a nice pick up a couple years ago too huh?

You can bash him…I don’t mind…he’s earned it in some respects. But point out the good with the bad.

by TrevorR on Oct 19, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nick Collins was a great find in the second round as well

He’s definately a top 5 safety and some thought he was taken too early

by Donald Driver on Oct 19, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do.

I’ve said it before: he doesn’t get everything wrong. He’s not the worst GM out there. Not the best either. Yay!

by uglyfatpimplynerd on Oct 20, 2009 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ill agree.

He’s in the middle somewhere but he’s not as close to the bottom as I think you probably feel he is.

by TrevorR on Oct 20, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about Aaron Rodgers!

Was one hell of a pick, at least so far…

by NYCPac on Oct 20, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Give it a rest

ktended. I’m not spreading a rumor that Hawk was on steroids and going to the journal and the press gazette and telling them I have insider info on Hawk abusing in college. All I’m saying is how does a guy go from dominating his opponents to being average? Steroids is a possibility like with Mandarich. This is acme packing company man, this isn’t gonna make an ESPN headline. Obviously I have NO data to support that, just throwing out questions as to why.

You had no data to suggest that I’m Hinckley but you threw that one out there.

by GGGamer on Oct 19, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m throwing it out there as something that a lot of people have wondered, not a fact. Would you like if I went and got a urine sample from OSU?

by GGGamer on Oct 19, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Draft mistakes

 History in the draft has never been exact science. Hell at one time we could have had FAVRE, SHARPE, and BERRY SANDERS on the same team but we took steroid king TONY MANDARICH (Ohio State) instead. So maybe a lesser role for HAWK might be a good motivater. Start MATHEWS.

by cheddarhead on Oct 19, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah relax

Um he didn’t bring it up as a rumor, he said “I have no way of knowing this at all”

Are you an angry person? Get out of here with this argumentative crap please

by PackaCracka on Oct 19, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you don't know

then why bring it up? It’s the rhetorical device called “floating a trial balloon.” You propose something in such a way that you — and your buddies — can deny accountability for bringing it up when it gets shot down or criticized. It’s a common tactic utilized by politicians, the Clinton administration in particular. The most famous use of this tactic was by the Bush (II) administration when it denied ever having said that the Iraquis had WMDs, but rather that the White House officials had said that “the British said that the Iraquis had WMDs.”

I am angry that the Packers aren’t playing better. There were some positives this week — no safeties — but all in all the Packers beat up on a bad, beaten-up team that always gets beaten. Small consolation in that.

by ktenreb on Oct 19, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good Lord

No one cares about your lawyer-speak. Your floating a trial balloon and straw man arguments. No one cares about your political commentary either. What is the professional name for a man who tries to use jargon to sound more intelligent than others? I’m sure the only person with a problem with the steroid comment is yourself so we can leave it alone after this comment.

I’m trying to deny accountability for saying a lot of people I know including myself think that steroids is a possibility? I take full accountability for that comment ktended. I think there is a small possibility that Hawk was on sterioids at OSU and that is why he has declined. If I’m an ESPN writer I wouldn’t put that in an article, but I’m a Packer fan that is speculating causes for his lack of performance. Hold me accountable please.

Now in regards to your anger that the Packers aren’t playing better. I feel the same way. There were a few positives but they were playing a team they should’ve beaten up badly. They can’t beat the Vikings or the Bears in Chicago if they play red zone offense like that and have those penalties.

by GGGamer on Oct 19, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's called "libel."

You may want to consider more carefully when you accuse people of conduct that is illegal. It can cost you big money.

by ktenreb on Oct 19, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mr. Lawyer

I can’t get sued for libel for stating possible reasons on a Packers message board why A.J. Hawk has not been productive on the NFL level. You’re a lawyer, you know that. Now if I’m Peter King and I write an article stating that I believe Hawk isn’t good anymore because I think he was on steroids in college and he went off of them because of the drug program in the NFL, then you can get me for libel. I can state whatever opinions I want on this site.

by GGGamer on Oct 19, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

I get blasted for being too hard on people, and now you guys are pulling this?

Exchange e-mails and have your debate on that medium. Not here.

"Brandon Jennings needs a nickname before he gives himself one. Oh wait, Young Money, he already did."

by Mitchell_M on Oct 19, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Alright

This is my final post for the day cause I gotta head out but I’m obviously pissing you off so it’s time to completely stop. I, for the record, have never blasted you for being too hard, but I promise you that I will not comment or reply to ktenreb for at least a couple of weeks. Were obviously giving you a headache so I promise I won’t take part in our conflict anymore.

by GGGamer on Oct 19, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

As one poster said, I guess you are a ’prick," and a “miserable nincompoop.”

I still chuckle over that one. And again, I don’t agree with it.

by ktenreb on Oct 20, 2009 7:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

[claps]

Seriously…give it a rest guys.

by TrevorR on Oct 20, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

You draft based off of the information you have on him and how the player performed in college. Hawk was a monster in college. He was viewed by many as the next Urlacher, and really was a solid, safe pick.

by packallday555 on Oct 19, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Conservative, unimaginative pick that hasn't paid off

The list of guys better than Hawk but who came later in the draft is pretty long. It didn’t have to be Vernon Davis or Hawk. It could have been Ngata for example.

by uglyfatpimplynerd on Oct 20, 2009 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

Conservative and umimaginiative? You can look at every draft and look at guys who were taken later then others who have become much better then the guy picked ahead of them.

Did you ever watch Hawk in college? He was very, very good. And as you probably know, players are evaluated based on their play in college. Considering we were in desperate need of a LB. On draft day Hawk was labeled the safest pick in the draft. Which basically meant he was the one player who for sure wouldn’t end up being a bust. He was the top LB on EVERY gm or scouts boards.

by packallday555 on Oct 20, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why exactly

are you here? You have never said anything but smug and “unimaginative” comments. There is a policy here on starting flame wars. You and your boy 4whereever should just leave and not come back

by PackaCracka on Oct 22, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

my favorite play

was when Hawk was chasing a Lions player yesterday and then 2 Packers passed him (Hawk had 3 step lead) and it turned out to be Barnett and Chillars.

Hawk is soooooooooooo slow.

Before his reputation is tarnished forever, we should trade him this week.

Jeremy Thompson hasn’t even played yet, and remember he was the projected starter at OLB before he got hurt. He is faster and stronger than Hawk, maybe teach him how to play ILB.

Anyways, I am glad MM is not just playing Hawk because he was a high draft pick (last game I think he only got 21 snaps). Looks like MM is true to his word and is playing the best players.

AK – Barnett – Bishop/Chillar – Matthews is the best lineup.

I still think Bishop is the best ILB option, he just needs experience. Chillar is a great sub to keep our rotation fresh.

by Acme on Oct 19, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

eh...

I don’t think Thompson would be the kind of guy you want for an inside backer. I don’t mind the idea of trading Hawk though if we can get someone who can help us in a weak spot or a few high draft picks…we all know this isn’t going to happen. There is usually ONE trade at most before the deadline. The NFL just doesn’t do this!

I am glad to see that they are using their best players too. If Hawk isn’t getting the job done, put him on the bench. These guys need to see that their job isn’t secure and that they can’t take plays off!!

by TrevorR on Oct 19, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, bottom line

Hawk isnt going anywhere, but like you said….if Hawk doesnt produce, time to ride the pine and put someone else in or change it up. Yes we have a new D concept this year, but either they produce or sit.

by igotit on Oct 19, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yuck

Thompson at ILB. The guy is more of a 4-3 DE than anything else, how the heck would he work at ILB? The guy isn’t playing at OLB because he’s too soft so he would be the worst ILB in the league IMO. Many scouts have said this, Hawk is a solid linebacker he just isn’t a playmaker. I’ve said a few times if the Packers had a playmaking inside linebacker next to him that he would be solid there because he doesn’t take chances and he’s completely assignment sure, the problem is they don’t have that other playmaker because Bishop’s on the bench. Maybe Barnett turns into that as the season progresses, who knows.

by GGGamer on Oct 19, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

true

I agree, Thompson won’t be a good ILB, but Matthews has that spot and Thompson was talked about a lot in preseason. He has the frame to be an athletically dominating freak, but does seem soft.

I still think Bishop and Barnett in the middle is our best option. I live near San Francisco, and have been tracking Bishop since his days at a community college in SF and at Berkeley. He is just a playmaker. Hawk was great in college, and is solid, but is just way too slow.

by Acme on Oct 19, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I think Bishop and Barnett will be the starters next season when Chillar goes somewhere else. Both Capers and Moss finally came out and said that Bishop isn’t playing because he fudges too many assignments. The Packers defense is in too early of a stage of development to have a guy in there whose gonna fudge some assignments even if he’s making plays. Look how that turned out for Derrick Martin against the Vikings. I would love to see Bishop in there eventually but he needs to use his head more if that’s the case.

by GGGamer on Oct 19, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

matthews...

remember it WAS just the preseason…

by TrevorR on Oct 19, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

looks like Meredith is working out for the Bills

The Bills believe they may have unearthed a gem in rookie OT Jamon Meredith, signed off the Packers practice squad a month ago.
Meredith filled in at right tackle for starter Jonathan Scott (ankle), and the Bills allowed just one sack against Rex Ryan’s pressuring Jets defense in Sunday’s overtime win. While he and LT Demetrius Bell are still very raw, they have plenty of potential.
Source: Buffalo News

by shaftr on Oct 19, 2009 10:41 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

They didn't...

let him go. H e signed off of our practice squad which hurts even more. I can’t believe that he wasn’t called up earlier! UGH.

by TrevorR on Oct 19, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any team can sign any practice squad player, but the newly signed practice squad player has to be on the 53-man roster for a minimum of 3 weeks. You never know, you guys might get him back

by JazzyBBP on Oct 19, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ouch

Good for him but bad for the Packers. A lot of people keep fretting about Terrell Sutton who will never be any good, but Meredith could very well become something. It’s too early to tell but that might be a huge mistake. Why keep Giacomini when it doesn’t look like he will ever be any good and he’s never active. They could’ve released Giacomini in order to keep Meredith.

by GGGamer on Oct 19, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

right on!

I didn’t even bat an eye about losing Sutton. Its SO rare for a guy his size to do much in this league. You need real speed, an eye for gaps and the ability to catch out of the backfield. He just wasn’t that complete back. He showed greatness against 3rd stringers…yipdido!

by TrevorR on Oct 19, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha god

I just don’t get what TT was doing. Meredith was a projected 2nd rounder, we got him in the 5th. He has all the physical tools to be a great player, and the only knock on him was his motivation, and even that was questionable. I’ve heard from some he looked horrible in the offseason but he couldn’t have looked any worse then Barbre or Giancomini.

Letting Meredith go onto the practice squad and cutting Smith were HUGE mistakes by TT.

by packallday555 on Oct 19, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think you can call it a mistake until they have proven themselves worthy players

Until then, they’re unknown and you can’t say TT is wrong. Now, if one or the other explodes on some other team, then yes, I think you can say it was a huge mistake. Until then, TT obviously had evidence that they weren’t worth the money, and all we have is hearsay and our unprofessional opinions.

by Danwood on Oct 19, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh

Maybe that works for Meredith but not for Smith. He is already proven. He started for the Steelers in 07’ and was actually pretty good. He looked great in the preseason and there was speculation that he could steal Bigby’s starting job. But instead he is cut, while Bush, Rouse, and Peprah are kept.

And while Meredith wasn’t proven he was only a rookie. He has great potential and had great value when we drafted him. And if you look at our T position just from a depth standpoint cutting him made no sense. We had Clifton (who is coming off of 4 major surgerys), “Bonehead” Barbre, and Gianocomini. Obviously, we only kept 3 T’s. So what was going to happen if one went down? Since an injury did happen we got to see what TT’s plan was and it didn’t work out.

Calling Smith’s cutting a mistake is spot on. We saw what happened when we tried to put Bush and Martin back there who had no previous experience as a S in the 3-4. Your right about Meredith maybe not being a mistake now but if he does prove himself then it certainly will be. Especially considering how bad Barbre is.

Too me TT cutting Smith was done because he wanted to keep the guys he had drafted.

And this is kind of off subject but can anyone tell me how in the hell Barbre won the starting RT spot?? I can’t imagine he looked good against Kampman in the offseason.

by packallday555 on Oct 19, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

where is he now?

Smith is a RAM and has been inactive for EVERY game this season. I am sorry but the RAMS haven’t found a place for him yet so maybe just maybe we are valuing him higher than he was worth. I do wish that we had kept Smith…I was SHOCKED when he was released but what has he done lately? Hawk was a productive starter for us once too and he’s fallen out of grace. Smith made some good plays and some really bad plays when he was a steeler. They didn’t resign him meaning they didn’t even want him as a backup and apparently we didn’t either. Now I guess the Rams are showing that they don’t really either.

With Meredith, he was cut with a 5th round draft pick pay and no one claimed him then so obviously his value was low. He was stolen from us which sucks and it was done right before they likely would have called them up themselves. This could end up being a huge blunder or a blip on the radar we never think about again…time will tell.

by TrevorR on Oct 20, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

Looking at what he is doing now isn’t really a great way to judge whether or not cutting him was a mistake. The situation he is in with the Rams is completely different then the situation he was in with us. The Rams play a 4-3 defense and have two very good safties already in Atogwe and Butler. He has only played in a 3-4 defense in his tenure in the league so he is having to learn a completely new system.

But when he was with us he was the only guy in our secondary that had any experience in the 3-4 defense and it showed. He had 2 INTs during the preseason and had a bunch of big hits. You could argue that Smith in fact even looked better then Bigby did, who was believed to be our starter at the time. So if you look at it from a skill standpoint or ability standpoint cutting him just made no sense.

Even looking at it from a depth standpoint the move makes no sense. We had Bigby and Collins, who have both been good players for us, but after those who else were our safties? Rouse who was eventually cut because he couldn’t cover a high wr, and Bush though he is kind of a tweener. So considering Bigby and Collins have been known to be hurt from time to time, why would you cut the only S who actually had experience in the 3-4 defense (which proved to be a killer for Bush and Martin when they played this year) and the guy who really looked like he could be a solid starter??

Just makes no sense too me, and I really think it was done because TT didn’t want to have to cut some of “his” guys. I know there is nothing we can do about this now, and luckily we have Bigby back and hopefully will for the rest of the year. Just pointing out that TT has made some questionable personnel decisions.

As for Meredith who knows really. I have a feeling he’ll end up being a good T in his career but I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

by packallday555 on Oct 20, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But what else do you have to judge them on?

TT is cutting guys he thinks are good. And if he thinks they’re bad, and they go elsewhere and are bad, how is that a mistake? You can’t say that YOU’D think they’d be good in our system, and the man paid to know if guys would be good in our system doesn’t think so, and they fail to be good for another team, that that is a mistake- the evidence disproves it. Sure, it’s entirely possible that their bad play is 100% a result of the system that they’re in, but that’s a very distant possibility than the more likely scenario that they indeed do suck.

And as we’ve pointed out before, the preseason has meant nothing. Just ask Rodgers how the preseason O-Line translated to the regular season.

by Danwood on Oct 20, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And as we’ve pointed out before, the preseason has meant nothing. Just ask Rodgers how the preseason O-Line translated to the regular season.

I know this and we found it out the hard way. But you can compare his play to that of our other S’s and really if you look at his performances he looked like the best S we had.

Sure, it’s entirely possible that their bad play is 100% a result of the system that they’re in, but that’s a very distant possibility than the more likely scenario that they indeed do suck.

He hasn’t played yet for the Rams because of the reasons I listed above. Could he be bad in the 4-3 system? Ya sure he could, I guess we won’t know until he actually plays for the Rams if that does ever happen. But we do know that he had the potential to be good in the 3-4. Like you stated above he had moments where he was very good for the Steelers and moments where he was very bad for the Steelers.

The only thing TT had to base his decision of what to do with Smith was his previous play with the Steelers and what he had done in training camp and the preseason. TT obviously liked what he saw from his play with the Steelers (otherwise he wouldn’t have signed him) and he was tremendous in the preseason. Then you have to compare his play to Rouse and Bush, who were the other backups, and when doing that there really is no question that he looked twice as good as the both of them.

I get your point but TT cutting him was a done move. Who knows whether or not Smith would have done a better job filling in for Bigby but I would have rather had him back there then two guys who were still in the process of learning the talent, and two guys who really don’t have starting talent. I just look at it and don’t see how TT could look at that situation and say ok, I think it’s more beneficial for me to keep Rouse and Bush over Smith. The only way I can understand it is from a STs standpoint, and even there I don’t agree with it. Bush plays STs but all he really does when doing this is get dumb ass penalties. Rouse played Sts but as you know he was cut.

I don’t agree with TT’s decision on Smith and a few other players for that matter but it doesn’t matter. I think our two losses could have turned out differently had we had Smith back at SS as opposed to Bush, Martin, and Rouse but hey we’ll never know. Just my opinion.

by packallday555 on Oct 20, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lions fan here

I give props when props are due, and you guys kicked our ass. Hopefully the Lions can get healthy so the Thanksgiving game will at least be competitive and not a total embarrassment again. Enjoy your victory beer :)

by JazzyBBP on Oct 19, 2009 11:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

But the only thing to take out of this game for us Packer fans is Clay Matthews looking like a beast. You guys were playing an offensive lineman on the defensive line in the fourth quarter. This game had no relevance with your injuries that’s why a lot of us aren’t happy about the game even though it was 26-0. I hope your team is healthy for Thanksgiving because yesterday sucked.

by GGGamer on Oct 19, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: Colledge's late hit penalty

first of all he was just trying to protect Driver, who was getting driven back by 4 or 5 Lions as the whistle was blowing. Driver was already going down with the first 4 guys and Colledge saw another going in towards the pile. I am all for our lineman showing some “nasty”. If we had more of that, we might be able to run the ball more effectively. It is kinda along the lines of Kyle Turley ripping the helmet off the Jets safety as that Jets player was trying to rip off Aaron Brooks head in a similar pile. Your linemen are like your “enforcers” in hockey. When a defensive player steps over the line (or in Colledge’s case, approaches it) the OL needs to regulate. I guarantee you that this play is very far down on McCarthy’s list of things that were bad about this game.

"I agree but dont agree"

by juggernaut400 on Oct 19, 2009 12:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nasty is great

I’d just rather see him block somebody.

by ktenreb on Oct 19, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't agree

I’m in favor of the lineman protecting teammates, when necessary, but in this case it wasn’t necessary. On the replay, Colledge hit a player who was just standing there, he wasn’t trying to make a tackle, and he got blocked on his side, so he couldn’t see Colledge coming. It deserved a flag.

by Brandon on Oct 19, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really think that unnecessary roughness penalty on Driver (in the fourth quarter) was a little ticky-tack.

He had already left his feet when the play ended.

And I must say, it’s not every day you see a wide receiver take out a defensive lineman.

Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy, and taste good with ketchup!

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 19, 2009 12:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hines Ward does that every game and doesn’t get called very often. Plus, you see it all the time where a QB slides and somebody “falls” on him anyway. No sense taking any chances with Dodgers. Driver did the right thing.

"I agree but dont agree"

by juggernaut400 on Oct 19, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops, Rodgers. Had last nights Dodger blowout in the back of my mind I guess.

"I agree but dont agree"

by juggernaut400 on Oct 19, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I was wondering where "Dodgers" came into this.

Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy, and taste good with ketchup!

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 20, 2009 1:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And you make a good point here.

I take back what I said about the penalty.

Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy, and taste good with ketchup!

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 20, 2009 1:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just glad this kind of performance came against the Lions.

I can’t imagine what the results would have been if Green Bay was playing one of the established powers in the league, and played like they did yesterday.

Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy, and taste good with ketchup!

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 19, 2009 12:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Lang and Q looked good

Lang looks faster and just as strong as Clifton. Obviously, he doesn’t have the experience of Clifton, but I bet he starts for the rest of the year and holds Jared Allen to an average game.

Quinn Johnson is a beast and Grant ran really well behind him from what I saw. The 4th quarter is when Grant got the majority of his yards and from what I saw Q was in the entire quarter. Hopefully MM gives him more playing time.

And I hope Jordy is not hurt, he is a great kick returner and a very good receiver.

by Acme on Oct 19, 2009 12:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Agree on Lang. I really wouldn’t mind seeing him start the rest of the year. If Clifton does come back then I would like to see Lang to move to RT or LG. He is a strong, physical guy who has good explosion off the ball. He needs to be in there.

by packallday555 on Oct 19, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

can Lang play RT or RG?

Colledge just seems to have major mistakes every game, then says “i just have to clean this up, blah blah blah”

Sit Clifton this week and see how Lang does.

I am no O-Line professional, but if he does well, keep playing him. Test him against Jared Allen. If he does well and doesn’t give up 18.5 sacks then keep playing him :)

by Acme on Oct 20, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No idea really

I know the position many scouts thought he would end up playing is LG. He played LT in college though.

I agree we should sit Clifton this next week, and start Lang. If he plays well again then hopefully MM will find a place for him on the o-line, maybe at LG or RT.

by packallday555 on Oct 20, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

really?

I like hearing BOTH of those things. I was really excited about the Johnson pick when they got him. I hope he starts gettting more time, he could be a GREAT FB.

I wish I could have watched this game…ugh.

by TrevorR on Oct 19, 2009 1:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

worst "blowout" ever

You would think after four penalty ridden games, we’d see more disciplined play against a weak team without their stud player and starting QB. Nope.

And you would think after four sack filled games, we’d see Aaron throw the ball away when seriously pressured. Nope. I know there was a past thread, but Aaron really needs to be given a fairer share of the blame, obvious OL problems aside.

 There was the 2nd down and 3? play in the redzone where McCarthey decided he needed to go empty backfield against the Lions?…..and Aaron gets sacked for a huge loss by an unblocked player up the middle. Dumb play? yup. But Aaron should have chucked it away. ]
 
Too many blown opportunities. Im not saying they should be the 07 Patriots and pile on points. This should have been the game to play clean, fundamental football.

by Squatbulk on Oct 19, 2009 5:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The 07 Patriots, or the Week 6 09 Patriots? ;-)

That sack you mentioned was the one where Rodgers didn’t have time to breath before he was sacked I believe. Rodgers had no time to chuck it away. But I will agree, it was probably not the best play call ever made.

by Danwood on Oct 19, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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