Brent Farve is Cheap

and I have no problem with that position at all.

I get it. I understand about that stuff. I grew up in Appleton. I’ve been to training camp. I stood inside the fence chatting with Ryan Longwell one day for a practice. I’ve got autographs (signed in person) from Favre, Reggie, Koonce, Holmgren, Tyrone Williams, Newsome, etc. I haven’t destroyed any of my Favre stuff but its not displayed right now. It doesn’t help that NOW I live in Minnesota and i have to listen to my friends (who trashed Favre any chance they could) now cheer for him and argue with me about how he’s the best thing since sliced bread.

Thanks for sharing a little more though…

You can think how you want! Who is telling you how to think? You came in here telling us how stupid we are and look for thinking the way we do…you WERE telling us how to think.

We cheer for the packers…PERIOD. You think we are going to stop cause some QB leaves the team? I really don’t understand how you think!

I never told you how to think. I just attempted to describe how you think.

Um, I was trying to describe what I think. That’s how responses work.

You are the only one telling others how to think, by telling me I must (have no choice but to) "cheer for laundry."

Please show me where I said that you have no choice but to “cheer for laundry.” If you are a fan of a particular team regardless of who is on the team then you are cheering for laundry. If you are a fan of particular team because your favorite player happens to play for them that is also fine. Just admit that your loyalty is to the player and not to the team.

While simultaneously, weirdly also telling me that this rule of yours only applies to the NFL, it does not apply to the NBA. Seriously, WTF was THAT about?

This was in regards to reality as it exists. This was not a rule that always only applied to the NFL and not the NBA. The NBA made a conscious decision many years ago to market the player above marketing the team. It worked like a charm when you had players like MJ, Magic and Bird. The NBA as it exists now is a player driven league where many people (not all, by any means, but most) are fans of the Cavs because Lebron is there, the Lakers because of Kobe, the Magic because of Dwight Howard, etc. When Lebron signs elsewhere once his contract is up how many Cavs fans will there still be? That is why so many teams are struggling in the NBA. If they don’t have a marquee player (like the team closest to me, the Bobcats) then they have absolutely no draw. The NFL is not like this. The team is marketed above the player. Favre is the first player I have seen to challenge this structure.

You will cheear for whatever players Ted Thompson puts on Lambeau field in 2010 in Green Bay Packers jerseys (asuming Ted is still here). True or False? If you answered true, then I described how you think correctly

The question you asked is flawed, imo. Remove TT from the question so that it reads:

You will cheer for whatever players march onto Lambeau field in 2010 in Green Bay Packers jerseys. True or False?

And my answer is a resounding TRUE!

In a comment further down here you mention your history with the Packers as a fan, specifically mentioning rooting for the Packers to lose in the 80’s so that Forrestt Gregg would be fired. I also was a fan of the team back then, though I was growing up and didn’t have access to the type of information you were referencing. I COMPLETELY understand your point and I have no argument against that, if that is how you feel. I think its a little early to take on that kind of a position myself, but I can certainly respect that position. However,

Today: the Green Bay Packers are Ted Thompsons’ team. Not yours, not mine.

This does not make sense to me. Every GM puts his stamp on a team, if he’s a good GM. This team is no more the Green Bay Thompson’s than the Patriots are the New England Belicheck’s, or the Giants are the New York Coughlin’s or the Steelers were the Pittsburgh Cowher’s. Should every personnel decision be put up to a vote by the stockholders? That would make it closer to yours and my team, but is that what we want?

I’m gonna take a guess I’m older than you, and have been following the Packers longer than you, so maybe I have some experiences from the 1980s that you do not, experience that definitely drove this more complex relationship. I was a Packer fan when Forrest Gregg was coach. That was a horrible time to be a Packer fan, not only bad football on the field, but some really bad character issues off the field on those teams. I share Ditka’s POV on this (and I shared it even before I knew he felt that way too): Gregg tolerated & in many ways even encouraged bad personal behavioiur on those teams, playing favorites to by protecting and sheltering some players when they had criminal charges filed against them, and hanging out to dry (cutting) others when they merely had accusations made agianst them (accusations which were later dropped by DA because there were serious discrepancies with them). So, I’ve had the experience of having to go to a very difficult place to go as a fan of a football team, that maybe you’ve never had to deal with … to realize there was a poison in the highest level of the team (Forrest Gregg) that had transformed it into something I no longer wanted to be associated with any more. So, you might say, in order to save the team, I had to wish for it to fail. Yes, I started hoping that the Packers would lose, just so Judge Parrins would hurry up already and FIRE FORREST GREGG. I guess, having gone through that difficult process once before, it’s easier, and clearer, what to do the next time.

Today: the Green Bay Packers are Ted Thompsons’ team. Not yours, not mine. Let’s just I would like to see the Packers purged of Ted Thompson, and since it may take some pain to see that happen, like it did with Forrest Gregg … so be it.

I don’t expect many (any?) of you to understand this, but, well, I tried. Call me a bandwagon fan if you want, even though I’m gonna take a guess I’ve watched more Packers games than most here (probably close to 500?). If that means I have a brain, and I make choices, I don’t just blindly follow routine or “laundry” as you call it, then … thank you very much for the compliment.

I spoke with a Vikings fan who has hated Brett Favre for more than a decade and told me word-for-word "I would rather lose every game this season than win with Brett Favre as our quarterback.

this is a real team fan

Although I too was shocked to see that purple #4 was the top selling NFL jersey in Wisconsin in the latest sales figures, I guess I still think it is more than “bitter ex packer fans” buying all them. Especially those selling in states like Minnesota :)

Yeah I know Thompson is not as bad as Gregg. It is completely different actually – although I have heard from “friends of friends of friends” that Thompson is a bit of an A-hole, not a fun guy to be around, still that certainly is not in the class that Gregg was. And who knows, maybe that got distorted by homophobia somewhere along the way, and maybe isn’t so bad, But its what I have to go on.

I guess I was more citing that as explaining how I have a precedent in my life for going off like this, and how that makes it easier to do it this time.

Maybe it’s just that, like some of you got sick of hearing how great Favre was, I got sick of reading in local Wisconsin sports pages how brilliant Ted Thompson is. My irritation was already reaching crescendo even before Favre retired, all those guys were giving him newsprint fellatio for what a great job he’d done putting the 2007 team together, all I found myself thinking was "damn, how much further would we have gotten if he’d gotten off his butt and made a trade or FA signing or two. I felt he was just waiting for Favre to retire to make any moves, and wasted that shot at wining it all. Then when Favre did leave, TT signed Grant to that big contract - after he got 26 total yards in the NFC championship game! — that solidified to me that he was an idiot, and will destroy the team if given enough time. I do not believe the Packers will go all the way while he is still here. Not unless he totally changes his ways. In the meantime, why not let the Vikings have their turn. And let Favre go back to Mississippi and lie in peace, instead of feeling compelled to haunt the Packers like a ghost.

I don’t know the last team that won it all just based on drafting. Certainly not the 1996 Packers. If Ron Wolf was still GM, I believe strongly that Packers would have been in the superbowl again two years ago.

A Kick off specialist is paid to redirect the returner inside should he break containment and get to that point. Reed didn’t even try.

Returners are generally smaller, WR’s/DB’s, so it is expected of a kick off specialist to be able to at the very least redirect.

That is much different than expecting an old man to run down a linebacker who has a blocker in front of them.

You are comparing apples to oranges and it is a very weak attempt to goad me.