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Around SBN: News And Other Updates Leading Up To Pats-Giants

Another Important APC Announcement

I had gotten into this briefly with my memo concerning flame wars before Pack-Vikes I.  This week, SBNation member Robert Rence took the initiative to post his own thoughts regarding the run-up to Pack-Vikes II and the guaranteed overflow of emotion that will take place both here and at the Daily Norseman.

Basically, the moral of both stories is this: Don't be a jerk.  Admittedly, that's a vague goal, as one can take several approaches towards being a jerk that makes it seem like they're not being a jerk, but face it, they're being a jerk. 

So why are people still being jerks?

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It's a simple problem on sports blogs to diagnose, but it's damn near impossible to treat.  People are passionate about their sports teams, and when they feel that their team has been insulted, slighted, disrespected, or otherwise, they are compelled to act.

That's a weird evolution in human nature.  I think any of us would be hard pressed to find someone who could sit back and ignore ignorance and venom spewing from the keyboards of trolls and ignorant fans.  I consider myself fairly level-headed, but even I get sucked in sometimes.  It happens, even though it shouldn't.

Obviously, I like to preach to people to simply ignore the idiocy that sometimes crops up.  It won't work out that way every time.  People are too proud for their own good sometimes, and they will go into a conversation with the best of intentions and be reduced to playing the part of a petty, vindictive, and overly-sensitive fool.  It's unavoidable sometimes, and I recognize that.

But here's the rub: there's a very fine line between a rival fan coming onto an opponent's site and trolling.  It's the grayest shade of gray, and it's very easy to confuse the former for the latter.  Because of that ambiguity, there is often a backlash against rival fans, more often than not including some form of "get off our site."

This leads to a duality of sorts.  On the one hand, Acme Packing Company is absolutely and always a site for Packer fans, first and foremost.  Brandon and I certainly don't write posts, study box scores, break down film, or foster conversations for football fans.  We do it for Packer fans.  We help our fellow cheeseheads out by organizing and interpreting the vast amounts of information that are available to all of us, but for one reason or another not everyone is able to get to it until it's buried in newer information.

I don't even think it's something we do because we're necessarily better at it than others.  But we do it because we want to, we're motivated to do it, and most importantly, we're available to do it.  I love sorting through the latest Packer news and seeing how all the different pieces fit together to form the picture of the team.  But even more than that, I love starting conversations among fellow Packer fans, even if it is a mash-up of dread from a recent disappointment, an ongoing problem, or an upcoming battle where doubt overshadows our optimism.  Obviously, I prefer it when it's a celebration of a recent success and an extrapolation of future successes.

That's what Acme Packing Company is: a Packer site.  But, by virtue of the hosting site, APC is not exclusively for Packer fans.   As a member of the SBNation family of sites, APC is just one of 32 sites devoted to each of the NFL's franchises.  Each and every one of them are open communities, not only among its own members, but for members across the vast abyss we call the Internet.

That's an overly verbose way of saying that other fans are allowed to comment on our site.  Period.  Anybody coming over here to get a new perspective on our team or how we view their team is (and should be) able to do so.  They should not have to deal with being insulted and shunned by the users of our site, just like we should not have to deal with it on theirs.

Does this mean you have to be nice when other people come over?  Not necessarily, especially if they're exhibiting the characteristics of trolling.  But you have to at least be cordial so long as they're reasonable.  A quick checklist for you:

Should you be proud of your team?  Absolutely.

Should you be realistic?  Probably, but it never hurts to exhibit some foolish optimism every once in a while.

Should you respect other teams and their fans?  Definitely, even if the team itself sucks out loud.

Should you enjoy every ounce of shadenfreude you can?  Oh sweet Lord, yes.  I know I do.

These are things that we should all be doing.  If you want to diss another team, make sure you back it up and at least try to not sound condescending or arrogant.  If you want to diss another team jokingly, make sure it's funny enough to be seen as a joke.  If you want to ask a fanbase for their take on something, make sure it's thoughtful and not degrading.

Will this happen all the time?  Nope.

The best take on this issue is actually given by SBNation member manimal, a notorious DN member and occasional fire-starter on APC:

This will by no means stop what’s about to transpire. I really do like the fact that you posted this, but a jackass is a jackass, and reading a well thought out argument as to why being a jackass is dumb is not going to change said jackass’ perception of his jackassed self. He or she will continue in his or her jackassery for all times, no matter the anti-jackassery warnings.

Fair enough.  I, for one, want to avoid being a jackass as much as possible.  I save all my jackassery for my fantasy football message boards (and trust me, I've got some gems on there).

I want this site to be a platform for football conversation both among Packer fans and between fans of other teams.  We all deserve credit for making this site what it is today, but that also gives us the responsibility to keep it that way.

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assery time

I am only an ass when I am drunk.

b/w 4pm-11:59pm Monday thru Sunday.

Other than that I am only a moderate ass, which doesn’t count most of the time.

by Acme on Oct 26, 2009 7:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Meh

I think it was all pretty civilized after the last Vikes game. There were a number of decent remarks and congratulations by Packer fans on the Norsemen pages, if I recall.

Abuse can be ignored, it’s the persistent, repetitive, childish posting that can get annoying as it clogs stuff up, whereas a funny piece of abuse/baiting is a joy to behold and should be applauded whichever direction the brickbat’s flying,

You want unpleasant abuse? Come on over here to England and I’ll take you to a soccer game – phew! :-)

by rudi on Oct 26, 2009 8:16 PM CDT reply actions  

(sigh)

what’s worse than people wasting time in order argue about what ever is the fact that you guys are becoming so invested in it that you waste your own time writing about it. if you want to control profanity so it’s ok for everyone to read the comments, then that’s fine but it’s not your place to decide what it is that’s worth talking about.

by mossdog427 on Oct 26, 2009 8:42 PM CDT reply actions  

my band teacher when i was in high shool is a huge packer fan

we had a friendly bet every time the vikes and packer played. a simple bottle of mountain dew. i had respect for him, because he was a fan of the packers in the eighties, when they BLEW. i was a fan of the vikings in the eighties, when they BLEW. we were both fans when our respective teams were atrocious. from what i’ve read on here, you all seem to be fans from way back when, so, as far as i’m concerned, you’ve got my respect.

I must say, that while I have a strong dislike for the Pack, I have a stronger dislike for the Bears and their jackass fans. All i know is, they are just going off the reservation over at WCG. It really is worth a read if you’re bored! Cheers, Gents, and good luck to you on sunday. (not too much!)

I piss people off on a fairly regular basis. I cherish my right to speak my mind, whether I sound like an uneducated savage or not. I've never been accused of keeping what I think a secret, nor will I ever. Don't like it? I don't care.

by IABerserker1 on Oct 26, 2009 9:18 PM CDT reply actions  

I know we've gone a few rounds before...

… but thanks. I’ve been a Packer fan since 75 and I earned my dislike of the Vikings by watching them kick GB’s tail throughout the remainder of the 70’s.

If I were a Bear fan, I’d be pretty upset about the Cutler trade. Their defense isn’t as bad as Cincy made it look yesterday. Or at least, I don’t think they are…

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 26, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dude!!

the bet is back on! hahahaha i found him on facebook and bet him a case of mountain dew on the game! this is hilariously awesome!! i am so thrilled right now! sorry, insignificant things amuse me!

I piss people off on a fairly regular basis. I cherish my right to speak my mind, whether I sound like an uneducated savage or not. I've never been accused of keeping what I think a secret, nor will I ever. Don't like it? I don't care.

by IABerserker1 on Oct 27, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

gotta admit

that is pretty cool

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Oct 27, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 27, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Respect

Win or lose we will always be fans of whatever team we claim loyalty to.

Besides it’s more fun when everyone is having a good time.

It is the “Game of the Century” after all this Sunday. :)

by CrazyCollegian on Oct 26, 2009 11:52 PM CDT reply actions  

I posted something along these lines a week ago.

Some people who commented on said post agreed with me, but there have been some flame wars there.

Also, posts like this one, which apparently was posted on Daily Norseman, does nothing to help further your cause, Mitchell. I really wish more people would listen to you with regard to mutual respect.

Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy, and taste good with ketchup!

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 27, 2009 1:02 AM CDT reply actions  

I believe the rec requirement is different for each site.

DN appears to require two, while WCG appears to require 3. I don’t know about the Motor City because:

A) I check it so rarely
B) I’ve never seen something get rec’d when I’ve been there.

When you go to somebody's house, you don't crap on their floor. Being a fan of one team does NOT give you license to be a dick to fans of another.

Corollary: When people are visiting your house and behaving themselves, them being a fan of a different team is NOT a reason for you to piss in their beer.

Brought to you by Carl's Jr.

by Robert Rence on Oct 27, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think BCB is 3.

Makes you work hard for the recs.

Looking to buy: General Manager Deputy Badge

by Bush League All Star on Oct 27, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

It does.

But they mean more…

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 27, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its common sense

but sportsfandom defies common sense. I know I get uppity at the mere sighting of a purple jersey. I am a dominating Packer fan, defending till the death, and I enjoy arguing. I guess these things profile me as a jackass. But I’ll give it a shot for you Mitchell.

by PackaCracka on Oct 27, 2009 9:28 AM CDT reply actions  

GET OFF YOUR HIGH NORSE!!!

What ever hapend to packer fans that would fight for their team? not being polite was half the fun. does anybody remember the story of Dan Devine? if not after the packer had a few bad seasons following SBII, Packers fans killed the coaches dog. No joke its true.

NOW,for the record. Am i telling you to slay the family dog of your Favre loving neighbors?
NO, God No! but i am saying love your team with a passioin. That is what Packers fans are known for! we dont have to be ass’, but sometimes you got to get it off you chest. Im not one of those fans who cusses out the 10 year old
Bears fan at the game. But I am one of those people who fights with the viking fan who cusses at my 4 year old girl for yelling GO PACK GO!

I bleed Green and Gold!!! Go Pack Go!!!

P.S. I hope Favre gets hurt, then the healing can begin. JK.

by PackerBacker4Life on Oct 27, 2009 10:58 AM CDT reply actions  

Devine's dog was shot by a farmer

because it was killing his chickens. Seriously.

by ktenreb on Oct 27, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

amen...

I’d love to see him underneath Raji a few times in this game. I havea hard time wishing injury on him, but if he got hurt I can’t say I won’t smile.

by TrevorR on Oct 27, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've never said don't fight for your team.

And if someone’s swearing at your kid for cheering for the pack, I’d tell them to watch their language first, but if they continued, yeah, throw that punch. Or, even better, if you’re at the stadium, call the number that’s provided on every game day booklet and shown on the jumbo before and during the game and get the jackass thrown out.

When you go to somebody's house, you don't crap on their floor. Being a fan of one team does NOT give you license to be a dick to fans of another.

Corollary: When people are visiting your house and behaving themselves, them being a fan of a different team is NOT a reason for you to piss in their beer.

Brought to you by Carl's Jr.

by Robert Rence on Oct 27, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting...

What ever happened to packer fans that would fight for their team?

They got off that train when Favre left—well some of them did. I am not going to play the “true fan” card. It is too easy!

Looking to buy: General Manager Deputy Badge

by Bush League All Star on Oct 27, 2009 11:30 AM CDT reply actions  

The main reason I prefer to watch Packer-Viking games from my house isn’t the Viking fans at the bar, it is the ignorant Packer fans that try to start trouble (not saying there are a lot of them, they just all seem to find the bar I usually go to). They make me ashamed that I have to be connected with them in some way. I am all for a good natured argument with a Vikes fan, it’s just that it is impossible to come out on top with some dumbass behind you undermining you with their ignorance

"I agree but dont agree"

by juggernaut400 on Oct 27, 2009 1:21 PM CDT reply actions  

I hope "fan"dom doesn't get out of control

It is a long season and both of us have a long way past this game. Hopefully we can all handle this in a friendly fashion, regardless of the outcome.

by PurpleJesus on Oct 27, 2009 9:04 PM CDT reply actions  

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