Stop Adrian Peterson, Stop the Vikings
by Brandon on Oct 3, 2009 12:01 AM CDT
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PrintNT Ryan Pickett knows how to beat the Vikings, from Rob Demovsky:
"You stop Peterson, and that’s their offense," nose tackle Ryan Pickett said. "Brett is a great player, but they ride Adrian’s back."
Still, the Vikings offense could easily outplay the Packers, but only if Peterson carries the offense on his back.
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It is easy to say that now. The previous victories have had Peterson’s mark on them, except for the 49er’s game. Of course that last game was not exactly a perfect game for Favre, but it showed that he can still win them if he needs to. My point is that the old man might be getting in tune with his receivers more and more. If he is even more comfortable with his receivers this week, then the old rule may not apply. That rule being, if you stop Adrian Peterson, then you stop the Vikings offense. Do not underestimate the Viking passing game. If the Packers do, then they may be in for a rude awakening come Monday night.
Hopefully I am worrying needlessly, but I see a Viking team that is coming together now. They are supporting Favre as a teammate. Favre feels welcome and wanted. They are a dangerous group of players. As much as the Packers are geared up for this game, the Vikings seemed more excited. Favre tries to downplay the contest, but the rest of the Vikings all say they want to win this one for the “silver fox”. He’s only been their for a few week and he’s got a nickname. The Vikings are pumped up for this game and will show tremendous emotion. How will the Packers respond to that? Will they expect it? This is more than just a playoff type atmosphere. Some in the media are calling this Favre Bowl I. That sounds a bit overdramatic, but may not be far off the mark.
I do not think Favre intends to try and “stick it to” Ted Thompson or the Packers. His heart is still in Wisconsin and Green Bay, regardless of where he plays. No matter what is happening leading up to Monday night’s game, Favre has to be feeling somewhat confounded by his circumstances. I wouldn’t like to be in his shoes. Yet when he puts on his helmet and steps on to the field, Favre will be all about football. It will not matter who is on the other side. He is going to do whatever he can to win. If that means handing off to Peterson, than so be it. If it means he needs to complete safe passes, then he will do that. If he has to air it out more, then he will do that.
I hate to admit it, but Ryan Pickett is wrong. Yet even if he was right, the Packers defense wasn’t able to stop Jackson and Benson. What makes them think they can stop the best RB in the league? He also fails to mention GB’s offensive line’s inability to protect the QB. Vikings win this one.
Even when Peterson has an off game (For him) he changes everything.
Just his presence on the field makes defenses play accordingly even if he doesn’t end up touching the ball. I’ll give credit to Favre on that throw as it was a great play but regardless of how the passing game has looked, you can’t deny Peterson plays a major role in that. He is their offense and things would look much different for Favre without him.
by Charlie Kelly on Oct 3, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Intensity & Excitement
I just wanted to comment mostly about your thoughts that the Vikings will be more excited to defend Favre and what not, and the Packers might not be ready for that intensity. Favre has been on the Vikings for a month and this is Rodgers 5th year in the league. My personal opinion, obviously, but I don’t see how you would think that Vikings players are more strongly rooted in support for Favre than Packers players are for Rodgers who they actually have known and basically became family with over the last five seasons. And both teams know this game is gonna be emotion filled so I don’t think either team is unprepared for the electricity. Definitely don’t know why you think the Packers might not be.
Secondly, I’ve watched Favre since I was a little kid so I don’t really need a description of him as a QB. I really don’t mean this to offend anyone but a lot of Vikings fans on T.V., radio, and on blogs like this keep telling people how Favre is this and Favre is that. This is a Packer board, we know all of his traits and what he’s capable of. With that said, if the Packers stop AP, I don’t see the Vikings having a good shot of winning with Brett at all (even though I don’t think the Pack stops AP). The Packers secondary is too good and they’re gonna get too much pressure on Brett for him to win that game if they are shutting down AP (but once again I don’t think they will).
Lastly, I think Favre loves football and would love to win a Super Bowl but to say you don’t think Favre wants to stick it to Ted is ridiculous. The guy told Peter King as much and the funniest thing is he actually told Roger Goodell that he wanted to kick TT a$$ twice. So the revenge argument is completely valid. Even Favres former teammates who still talk to him say that is a huge part of him coming back.
no offense taken
We are all fans and entitled to our opinions. To say that one team is more excited than the other would likely be a false statement. I think you misunderstand what I was saying. Perhaps I failed to get my point across. The Packers, like Favre, have been downplaying the upcoming game. I think, however, that they will come into the game with intensity. However, they may not expect that the entire Vikings team will be as supportive of Favre as they will be. That is to say, the Vikings will have intensity to equal the Packers.
I am no Vikings fan. I only comment about what I observe. Sometimes I am right. Other times I am wrong. I have watched Favre a long time too, his whole career in fact. I’ve watched the Packers before Favre threw his first completion…to himself. But enough about him. Let’s take him out of the discussion a moment.
Can the Packers stop Adrian Peterson? If the saying holds true that if you stop AD, then you stop the Vikings, then Favre shouldn’t matter. So the real question is, can it be done by the Packers? This is a team that has struggled mightily with lesser running backs. The only RB they seemed to contain was Matt Forte and he has been struggling all year anyway. I find it highly unlikely that the Packers will contain Adrian Peterson Monday Night. He will run for 150 yds or more and at least a couple TDs. The Packers will not stop Peterson, so they Packers will not stop the Vikings.
Reality is difficult. Humanity searches for the most optimistic future. That is why many Packers fans pick GB to win this game and try to convince themselves it can really happen. Some even go so far as to predict a superbowl win. Not going to happen under current management. If and when I am proven wrong, then I will be happy. This does not mean I am a pessimist. I am generally an optimistic sort of person. I simply look at the evidence and make a reasonable assumption based on what I see. At this moment in time, the Packers are not good enough to beat the Vikings. They have made too many mistakes from the top. I like Aaron Rodgers. I feel bad that his career is being wasted while Ted Thompson is in charge. I hope he doesn’t get hurt with a major or career-threatening injury while being sacked this year. If he does, then Ted Thompson will have ended the careers of two QBs in GB.
I've Heard It Before
The argument about the Packers never winning a Super Bowl under the current management. They were one pass away from being in the Super Bowl two seasons ago with the most vanilla defense in the entire NFL. If you can look to the future and tell me that the management never drafts a LT high or gets a good one in free agency then I will agree with you, but if they work on the o-line and the defense continues to come together, I don’t see how this team can’t be better than they were in 07’ under the same management. You say reality is difficult but you need to understand that your reality isn’t necessarily the same as everyone else’s.
One pass away
with Brett Favre. TT and MM let a superstar go. They are responsible for the Pack’s sudden mediocrity.
Packers win
When,not if ,the Packers defence stop number 28 the Pack will win.I have faith the defence will shine on Monday and Arron will do work.GO PACK GO!!
The Packers don't really need to "stop" Peterson...
they just need to prevent him from being dominant in large stretches, because it eats up possession time. That, in turn, keeps the Packers defense on the field more than they would like. In short, they need to prevent Peterson from controlling the tempo. That’s “stopping” him enough to have a chance at winning.
As John Madden as this is going to sound...
The Packers can’t worry about stopping AP, they need to worry about matching him score for score. AP is good for 2-3 TDs a game if not shut down. If the defense can’t neutralize him, the offense can by simply being just as prolific.
So yes, I’m predicting a shootout.
The only problem with a shootout...
is the likely imbalance in time of possession. If the Vikings establish the run, they’ll eat up clock. The Packers, on the other hand, tend to have lightning-quick drives. You can shoot it out for most of the game like that, but eventually the Packers defense will start to wear down because they’ve been playing more minutes than the Vikings defense. Then the shootout starts to fall apart.
If the Packers want to win a shootout, they will need to even out the time of possession. That will require the Packers to establish the run.
And yes, that did sound like Madden.
That's why I'm not as optimistic about this game as I'd like to be
I believe we can win, but I also think it’s going to take a few stars aligning for us on defense.
The can only hope to contain him
I would say my definition of “stop” him is 100 yards on 25-30 carries. And no carries over 10 yards. Make him work for everything. He led the league last season with 9 fumbles, Favre wasn’t far behind with 5, so make them run a lot of plays to increase the chance they’ll turn it over.
Less #4, worry more about #12...
This is coming from a Vikings fan, but I think that your left side of the line is going to have some serious problems with Jared and the Williams boys, not to mention a blitzing EJ Henderson from time to time. I think Green Bay is a good team this year, but there are 3 games being played on Monday Night… Vikings O vs. Green Bay D, the opposite and the Special teams… It’s going to be an interesting game as long as everybody on the Pack stays vertical… You guys don’t have a lot of depth at a few key positions, ie QB, O-Line, Safety and CB. I want to see my team’s A-Game beat your team’s A-Game. I am worried about ARodg’s blind side though…
As a Vikes fan....
I have to say that you guys probably shouldn’t focus on AP as much as you likely will.
To think that Brett Favre is not licking his chops at the opportunity he has would be naive. He is going to want to throw the ball, and from what we have seen he can still do that quite well.
We may not have the receiving talent that the Packers have, and Favre may not be nearly as mobile as Rodgers. But you cannot deny that our O-line is superior, and will likely be one of the deciding factors in this game.
Protection issues will cause Rodgers to rush his throws, and no QB is immune to making poor decisions while being hurried. You can have all the receiving talent in the world and still not complete passes if your QB has no time to read the field.
I think your team needs to focus more on how to protect Rodgers and give him the time he needs to pick apart our secondary. You are not going to bottle up AP, to do so would cause Favre to change the play on the line and burn your guys deep. I would work on preventing the big run the AP will inevitably have, which will also help you keep some defenders back in pass protection.
But what do I know? I am just a Viqueens fan.
Yes, what DO you know?
As stated in other posts, we (Packer Fans) know the REAL #4!!! We know his ability to win and we know his abiltiy to LOSE games… In the past decade, almost EVERY time #4 was in a BIG game, playoffs or something similar, #4 has Far more often than not IMPLODED!!!
His legend as a big game QB is now a MYTH… He did USED to be a big game QB, but even that is overstated to some degree!! He couldn’t win in Dallazz for 4 years in his prime… Last week you got a glimpse of what you want to see, but he will fail far more than succeed in those situations!!
You think the presence of Peterson keeps #4 from being #4… Ahman Green begs to differ!!! A. Green was the best RB in the NFL from 00 thru 04… Most rushing yds during that 5 year span, and Peterson has yet to equal A. Greens best year in 03… Amzingly, #4 still cost us the SB that year!!!
Not saying that he won’t do what he is likely to do, I mean it IS Brett Favre here.
And don’t give me that “Packer Fans know the REAL #4” nonsense. I grew up and still live on the border, so I have the luxury of watching every Vikings game and every Packers game if I have the time. :)
I know his tendencies, I know how he plays and I know what he will likely to do us at the end of the year.
The point being, we play you guys twice before Favre will get tired and throw the season. I would be worried if I were you.
Green was a great running back, but it took him 6 years to have an 1800 yard season, and AP almost broke that in his second year. I know Favre will do what Favre does, but AP will also do what AP does. I think that evens it out a bit.
Quit Telling Us
What Favre can and can’t do. Weve been watching him for years. I don’t know why Vikings fans are on every communication line telling Packer fans how Favre plays. If we look unbiasedly at history, the reality is Favre will be a good to great QB through 10-11 games and then fade badly down the stretch. Then if he makes the playoffs, history shows us that he will throw multiple picks to put your team out of it.
Could Favre change his stripes this season? It’s possible. Will he change those stripes because of AP? No. I fully realize that when all is said and done that AP will be a better RB than Ahman Green but you, Bjorno, can’t sit there and say that Ahman Green wasn’t a great RB for a handful of years. The guy had like 2,300 yards and 20 TD’s in 2003 and that’s the season that Favre threw the terrible pick to Dawkins and then the defense gave up the 4th and 26. Look at the facts/stats.
I am not telling you what Favre can and cannot do, my first post was not really even about Favre, it was about AP and your O-line.
Strohman was the one telling ME what Favre would do.
And if you read my post, you would see this little gem
The point being, we play you guys twice before Favre will get tired and throw the season. I would be worried if I were you.
which meshes pretty nicely with your comment about 10-11 games.
And where do you get this “You Bjorno, can’t sit there and say that Ahman Greeen wasn’t a great RB” from?
Seriously, did you even read my post?
Green was a great running back, but it took him 6 years to have an 1800 yard season, and AP almost broke that in his second year.
C’mon guy, break out of this “Vikings fans are idiots” mold and actually read what I type.
I Know
You said Green was a great running back and then you followed it up with AP almost had that season his second year. Read it back. Even if you didn’t mean it, you sounded like you were saying Favre and AP have a better chance than Favre and Green did because AP is so much better. If that’s not what you mean’t I apologize, but it definitely sounded like Favre is a different player because of AP’s greatness.
And you kind of get that by the
It evens it out a bit.
No.
Favre will be Favre. I can only hope that we can keep somewhat of a leash on him and bench him if need be. Hope does not go a long way in football.
My comment on Green was not an backhand attempt at knocking him, only that AP is currently better than Green and that AP is the the workhorse of this team. If “Barney the Purple Dinosaur” can check his ego and allow AP to do what he does, Favre’s “Farviness” will not cost us as much as it would if our primary offensive weapon was the passing game.
The only problem with putting Favre on a leash
is that Childress has already placed himself firmly in Favre’s back pocket. He cemented that fact when he drove out to meet Favre at the airport. Favre is gonna do what he wants, he always has at least since the Holmgren era ended in Green Bay. This all depends on Favre’s motives. If he actually just wants to win, then he’ll play fine as a game manager who lets Peterson shine. If he’s not happy being portrayed as riding on AP’s coattails, we might see some stupid forced throws.
by Charlie Kelly on Oct 3, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Understandable
I do however, think Green in the early 2000’s was as impactful as AP is right now. They were/are both amazingly explosive runners but AP is a better all around runner and Green was a better pass catcher. AP will definitely be a better RB than Green and probably one of the best ever but I would call the 2003 Green a scratch with the 2009 AP. Call me bias.
Green in his prime was great
But he still wasn’t in Peterson’s class. Green was always a top-5 running back in the league. Peterson is a top-2.
Jumping on Charlie Kelly
Your comment is spot on. The best season Favre had since the Holmgren years in the 90’s was in 2007 with McCarthy because McCarthy held him accountable and made him play within himself. Childress will not do that.
Probably not.
I still hold on to hopes that Childress is some kind of mad genius and is waiting until he has every piece of the puzzle before he shows everyone his real genius.
Maybe I AM delusional…
Maybe :)
Yeah I don’t see Childress turning into a genius anytime soon unfortunately for you guys, but fortunately for you guys, once he gets fired there are Shanahan, Cowher, and Holmgren waiting.
That is my hope.
Shanahan seems like the most logical, but I would take Cowher in an instant.
I still hope Tomlin changes his mind about this whole “Head Coach of the Steelers” nonsense.
I see your point...
… but the bottom line is with the talent on hand loading up the box and focusing on Peterson makes the most sense. The strength of the Packers defense is their defensive backfield, even with Bigby out. Our front 7, on the other hand, can’t stop your Oline and Peterson without creeping the 8th man up. If they play it straight, there isn’t a question of whether AP will beat them, but when and how. If they play to their strength, they creep up and hope that Woodson, Collins and Harris make enough plays (i.e., interceptions and deflected passes) to keep them in the game.
Will it work? I dunno. Favre may very well torch us if they employ that strategy, but we don’t have the personnell to play you guys straight up and win on the defensive side of the ball. It’s a pick your poison situation, and I like the DB’s chances of holding up on an island than I do the front 7. If Favre beats us, he beats us.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 3, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Bringing the 8th man up might help you limit the 4-5 yard carries, but where is that 8th man going to be once AP rolls to the outside on a run that was designed to be off-tackle.?
That is the point I was trying to make, you know that he can find holes quite well, and if there is no hole he is fully capable of finding one near the sidelines. That is where I think you will need that 8th man, to come around the corner and force him out before he breaks one.
But I agree with your overall assessment, it is kind of a catch-22 for your defense.
Depends on what you consider containing him.
If the Packers can do something similar to what the 49ers (Who also employ a 3-4) did last week then they have a solid chance. I still think Peterson is the key here, as some have said Favre is probably licking his chops at a chance to torch the Packers, well I’m sure Woodson is licking his chops at the thought of catching a few from Favre.
by Charlie Kelly on Oct 3, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't Forget
Nick Collins and Tramon Williams. If the Packers can even slightly contain AP and Favre has to start airing it out, the Vikings could definitely still win but I would bet all the money in the world that Favre gives the Packers secondary a handful of opportunities.
See, I think Favre will start the game by airing it out.
That is just the kind of bone-headed thing that Childress would allow to happen.
Like that Dallas game two years ago?
5/14 56 yard 0TDs 2 INTs.
by Charlie Kelly on Oct 3, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
I see Childress as the biggest block in the Vikings way for a win and a playoff run. If he was smart, he would make Favre continue game managing and just pound AP and Chester Taylor.
sigh
“But you cannot deny that our O-line is superior, and will likely be one of the deciding factors in this game.”
I can, in fact, deny your o-line is superior. Losing Matt Birk was a huge blow to the Vikes’ offensive line and Favre’s been sacked only a couple times less than Rodgers has through three games. The difference is that Rodgers can make plays with his feet and throw on the run, while Favre can’t, which brings me to the next point..
“Protection issues will cause Rodgers to rush his throws, and no QB is immune to making poor decisions while being hurried.”
Reeeally? How is it then that Rodgers has no picks this year while being the most hurried/sacked quarterback in football? Even Favre only has one pick through three games, a miracle if you’ve followed him for years like we have. He didn’t break that INT record for nothin’.
The way we’ve been able to beat the Vikings for the past couple years has to do with stacking people up in the box and letting epic legends Tarvaris Jackson, Gus Frerotte, and Brooks Bollinger try to beat us. We have the best secondary in the division, no question about it. In fact, YOU CANNOT DENY IT IS SUPERIOR.
So yes, it really is as simple as stopping Adrian Peterson to stop the Vikings. But of course, that’s much easier said than done.
Unlike you, I fully acknowledge where your team’s strength is, and that your secondary is the best in the division. I don’t deny it.
If you really think that Daryn Colledge, TJ lang, Jason Spitz, Josh Sitton and Allen Barbre (from NFL.com depth) are better than McKinnie, Hutchinson, Sullivan, Herrera and Loadholt then you are just silly. We may have two guys who are new, but Sullivan is a smart football player and Loadholt has his own area code. Both of which are exceeding expectations for a rookie RT and a 2nd year center.
I am not saying we are the best line, but Favre getting sacked =/= bad protection. You being a Packer fan, you should know that Favre sometimes tries to do too much with the ball and holds on to it longer than he should.
Rodgers get’s props for not throwing any INT’s, but that doesn’t mean it will last. He is a legitimate franchise QB, and getting hit is not something that will keep him healthy for long. Didn’t he already spend a year on IR from an injury in practice?
He is the most hurried/sacked QB in football which only further solidifies my claim that our O-line is superior to yours. Not to mention the fact that it was against the Bears (22nd in sacks in ’08) the Bengals (31st in sacks in ’08) and the Rams (tied for 16th in ’08).
No, Rodgers was put on IR in 2006 while coming in relief of Favre.
It was a broken foot if I remember correctly. But I agree, regardless of how tough a player might be, they can’t be getting hit this much week in and week out, the offensive line needs to get better or we’ll see Flynn out there and the season will be over. I also agree that the Packers offensive line is not as good as the Vikings.
by Charlie Kelly on Oct 3, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
O-Lines
Yeah through three games the Vikings o-line is definitely better than the Packers but it’s because they run block better. Both o-lines are terrible pass blocking lines. And I just think the Vikings o-line is overrated. I was talking to my Viking friend earlier today and he said as much. He said that Sullivan is terrible and Loadholt can’t stay in front of any speed rusher, and I’ve seen all three games and agree.
Loadholt is pretty good on his feet for his size, but he is still pretty much a statue out there on the field. That is why he is a RT. We usually use Kleinsasser, who is pretty much an O-lineman who can catch, to cover up for his slowness.
Sullivan is a smart guy, and runs the line well, but he is not where he needs to be as far as blocking is concerned. He can learn how to block, but you can’t teach intelligence.
I will take
our secondary vs the viking WRs and Brett all day.. Mr Woodson will be ready for a few ints
“To think that Brett Favre is not licking his chops at the opportunity he has would be naive. He is going to want to throw the ball, and from what we have seen he can still do that quite well.”
That is what us Packers fans want. Especially after watching him so far. He still doesn’t really have a good chemistry with your wr’s, and whether you’ll admit it or not, looked confused against the 3-4 last week. We have 6 INTs through just 3 games. Favre will force throws in there and did a lot against the 49ers. That will play to our strength, and likely give us a pick or two Monday night.
“We may not have the receiving talent that the Packers have, and Favre may not be nearly as mobile as Rodgers. But you cannot deny that our O-line is superior, and will likely be one of the deciding factors in this game.”
Of course your oline is better then ours, and while your oline is great at run blocking, their really not very good at pass blocking. Sullivan has struggled big time so far, as well as Loadholt (pass blocking). Capers is really a mastermind when it comes to blitzing and getting the matchups he wants, and that will play a big part in the game. I’m sure he’ll try and isolate Kampman vs. Loadholt, and if he succeeds at that, it’s gonna be a field day for Kampman.
“Protection issues will cause Rodgers to rush his throws, and no QB is immune to making poor decisions while being hurried. You can have all the receiving talent in the world and still not complete passes if your QB has no time to read the field.”
Your right no one is immune, but Rodgers has faced heavy pressure in all of our games so far, and still hasn’t thrown a pick. Could this be the first game he does? Sure it could.
“I think your team needs to focus more on how to protect Rodgers and give him the time he needs to pick apart our secondary. You are not going to bottle up AP, to do so would cause Favre to change the play on the line and burn your guys deep. I would work on preventing the big run the AP will inevitably have, which will also help you keep some defenders back in pass protection.”
Of course, on offense that is the biggest thing. Give Rodgers time because (not to be an ass or anything) Griffin and Winfield are really no match for Jennings and Driver, especially Griffin. Also our 3rd and 4th could have big days against your 3rd and 4th cbs as they are a pretty weak spot for your time. But in order for us to be able to exploit your secondary we’ll have to give Rodgers time, and do it fairly consistently. And in all honesty, I don’t see us being able to consistently do so.
The main thing for us is definitely to stop AP though. Really what the 49ers did was perfect, they made Favre beat them, and up until that last drive they did a very nice job against him. Our secondary is much better then SFs, and I would rather make Favre beat us the AP in a heart beat.
by packallday555 on Oct 4, 2009 3:20 AM CDT up reply actions
He is still feeling out our receivers. Consideirng the way that SF game went, I am sure he has been feeling UP Greg Lewis all week.
I would say he has built some chemistry with Harvin for sure, and Rice and Favre are on the same page more often than not. It’s Berrian that I am worried about. It is a bummer they haven’t had the time to really work together considering BB’s injured hammy, but I hope that doesn’t hurt us too much.
I did have a few Pack fans denying that claim, while simultaneously contradicting themselves by saying Rodgers is the most sacked/hurried QB in the league. That was kind of amusing :)
I think Rodgers has done an amazing job thus far, even with all the pressure and sacks. But the second one of those sacks REALLY does some damage, you are going to see him change a bit. I am not saying simply a sack that hurts him physically, but a sack that hurts the team by giving really bad field position.
As far as Kampman vs Loadholt goes, I am sure we will have Jimmy K in there chipping next to Loads to give us a little more time. But I do not like that matchup.
Our secondary is not where it needs to be to stop your passing game, but our pass rush should make up for that. I expect you guys to pick on Griffin pretty often, and I also expect him to have a game where we go “Holy shit? Was that Griffin that made that play?” But then again, I am wrong fairly often. Just look at my fantasy team, effing Drew Brees.
Our 3rd and 4th CB’s are going to have issues, I agree. Sapp is just not where I want him to be, and I personally think Asher Allen has outplayed him thus far. But I would be hard-pressed to throw a rookie who has played primarily man coverage throughout college into a zone defense. Maybe next year.
I think AP is going to run wild no matter what you do. You might be able to mess with our zone blocking a bit and confuse AP for the first quarter or so, and confuse Childress for the game, but in the second quarter AP will figure it out and run amok.
“I did have a few Pack fans denying that claim, while simultaneously contradicting themselves by saying Rodgers is the most sacked/hurried QB in the league. That was kind of amusing :)”
I remember reading this exchange and it seemed to me you and those “few Pack fans” were essentially talking past each other. Basically, they were challenging your assertion that whenever a qb is hurried he’ll eventually make a bad decision (i.e., throw an int.), using the example of Rodgers, who has been hurried and out of rhythm all season so far and has yet to make a really bad decision as a result. So, you were arguably right (since your point is in evidence under most circumstances) and so were they (w/r/t their point that Rodgers is actually a bit of an exception, so far), but neither party was actually listening to what the other was saying.
“I think Rodgers has done an amazing job thus far, even with all the pressure and sacks. But the second one of those sacks REALLY does some damage, you are going to see him change a bit. I am not saying simply a sack that hurts him physically, but a sack that hurts the team by giving really bad field position.”
Okay, now this statement reveals you really haven’t been watching GB (which I don’t blame you for a second, since I haven’t watched the Vikings at all either, save that remarkable pass and catch at the end of last week’s game). Rodgers has taken plenty of sacks this year which have given the Pack bad field position, the worst of which was the safety against the Bears on opening night. This has actually been one of the most valid criticisms of Rodgers this season (i.e., that he doesn’t get rid of the ball quickly enough and/or takes too many sacks).
Unfortunately, I can only watch Packer games that are not being broadcast at the same time as a Vikings game. Good thing I get to watch tonights game.
Rodgers cannot expect to take as many sacks as he does and remain effective, not to mention healthy. Against better teams a sack like that is going to put you in a very bad position, especially late in the game.
If he gets to the point where he is rushed AND has to make a throw he wouldn’t normally attempt, as in a come from behind scenario, it might be a little different.
That was the point I was trying to get to, even if I didn’t actually get to it.
Peterson
It really does come down to stopping Peterson! Take him out of the game and the viqueens have to rely on #4. #4 no longer has the ability to win on his own, at least not consistently. He made ONE good play against SF that won the game for them, but if Peterson is contained, more often than not #4 will be #4… That is, he will be FAR more likely to press and try to make plays that aren’t there!!! INT’s come w/ that type of play… #4 can stilll make some plays, but he can’t do it consistently enough to win on his own, even though he still thinks he can. Take Peterson out of the game and #4, especially given the magnitude of this game for him, will undoubtedly throw 3 INT’s to blow it… SF didn’t have the big game element that this one does, meaning #4 wasn’t as likely to press himself to win himself!!!
Stop Peterson and win the game, as simple as that!!!
3-1?
aren’t we 3-1 vs AD?
He avgs. 150+ yards/game against us.
Who cares? We keep beating them!
I keep mentioning this on different boards, but you don’t win SB’s by being the best running team in the NFL anymore.
Last year Steelers sucked at running, AZ had 33 yds in the SB, Eli Manning lit up the playoffs, Peyton, Brady, etc.
He is great, but the leading rusher in the NFL does not get you a SB victory, you need a QB, and not one that is 3-10 in the playoffs this decade who can’t run anymore.
I hope Vikings get to 13-0 or something, then I go to Vegas and bet against them.
cough farve choke cough
Or if Peterson's "troublesome" back gives out. Because he's, you know, carrying the team. And some of those guys are heavy.
Mitchell M
Vaild point
He does always seem to run wild against us, and yet we have beaten the Vikes 75% of the time. I still would like to try and contain him more then we have in the past though.
by packallday555 on Oct 4, 2009 3:21 AM CDT up reply actions
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