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The Packers Could Sign RT Mark Tauscher

Yesterday I said signing free agent LT Levi Jones is in order, but the Green Bay Packers have decided to go another route. From Tom Silverstein:

Yes, Chad Clifton should be back from a right ankle sprain, but Mark Tauscher, the team's starting right tackle from 2000-'08, also could be available. Tauscher, 10 months removed from surgery on his left knee, worked out for the Packers on Tuesday and appears close to signing a contract.

Maybe now they can keep DE Jared Allen off QB Aaron Rodgers's back. Mike McCarthy confirmed the signing at his press conference:

(Are you going to bring Tauscher back?) 
That's something that we're looking at. We actually had Mark in here today for a workout, and I know he's going through the medical aspect of it. It's something that Ted has been in contact with Mark, and October 1st is the date that Dr. McKenzie has always felt that his rehab would be completed. That's definitely something that we are visting...

(Do you look at that as something imminent?) 
I would think so, if it works out. You know how those things go. It would be great to have Mark back here. I have spoken to Allen Barbre about it. He knows he is coming in. This is something that has been planned... 

(Would he come in and be your right tackle?)

He needs to come in and go through practice and so forth. At some point he'll have an opportunity to compete at right tackle, but Allen Barbre is still the starting right tackle. 

Wow. I'm a big fan of Tauscher, he's been a great player for the last decade, and provides a real improvement to the offensive line. He'll probably take the place of CB Will Blackmon, who should end up on I.R.because of his season ending ACL tear. How will this signing effect the line moving forward?

Star-divide

Despite what McCarthy says, it's possible Tauscher could be starting as soon as the Lions game on October 18th. It's not likely, but no one has seen him in pads yet either. He probably won't be back that soon, but at some point in the next few weeks, he'll be returning to the starting lineup.

How will the offensive line be shuffled once Tauscher returns? RT Allen Barbre has played better since his awful 1st half against the Bears in week 1, but he'll probably move to the bench. He's played left guard in the past, so it's possible he ends up there. However, OL Jason Spitz has played well at left guard, since moving over from center due to Clifton's injury. With Clifton expected back for the Lions game, they could move Spitz back to center, and C Scott Wells back to the bench. But LG/LT Daryn Colledge has been awful this season, and he should be moved to the bench. Rookie OL T.J. Lang finished the Monday night game at left tackle, but he should be the first one headed to the bench due to his inexperience. I don't expect the coaches will even consider benching RG Josh Sitton, although he hasn't been perfect this season either.

It seems like the interior trio of Spitz, Wells, and Sitton held up well against the Vikings. It's not set in stone, but I expect they'll remain the starters at LG, C, and RG, respectively. Clifton will return from his ankle injury to play left tackle, and the familiar cornerstones will be reunited when Tauscher lines up right tackle. Despite my prediction, this still has to be worked out in practice, and some of it depends on how much faith the coaches still have in Colledge.

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Tauscher would certainly help

Always been a fan of Tauscher. Can’t believe it took them this long to contact him. WAIT… I was thinking Holmgren was still running things, so, I guess I can understand the delay.

What a fantastic game Favre had Monday night.
It was almost like 1997 again where watching football was EXCITING once again.
Awesome… Awesome, game!

Side note: Rodgers has nothing to be ashamed of. He’ll be a kick ass QB when it’s his time. (W.T.F. happened to Jennings?)

Peace

by m b on Oct 7, 2009 12:35 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

???

Tauscher tore his ACL 10 months ago. Dr. McKenzie said he would be ready to go October 1st. What did you want the Packers to do? Maybe they shouldve brought him in a couple of months ago and had him playing on it less than 8 months removed from surgery. Man, somebody’s always gotta complain about something. Plus, what does Favre have to do with an article about Tauscher?

by GGGamer on Oct 7, 2009 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, Holmgren wouldn’t have been scared off by little things like injuries that prevented a guy from playing. Thats why he was so effective.

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Oct 7, 2009 7:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's pretty shabby treatment

If the plan all along was to sign Tauscher after he was 100 percent, it does not speak well for the Packers. The effect of not offering him a contract until now is that the Packers avoided having to pay him for four (or five) weeks of the regular season (players only get paid during the reguoar season, apart from bonuses). This strikes me as being pretty cheap and disrespectful to a solid veteran who gave his all for the team for several years.

My guess, though, is that the interest in Tauscher now is a reaction to how awful the offensive line has played. That also doesn’t speak well for the Packers, at least with regard to talent evaluation, but at least that’s not the sort of thing that will make players around the league avoid the team like the plague.

by ktenreb on Oct 7, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shabby?

If you land a job but can’t start for 4 months, do you get paid from your future employer for those 4 months that you’re not working? Or do you get paid for actual work that you do?

Call it cheap, but if any other team thought he was worth being paid for 5 weeks while he came back to full health, he was certainly not bound by any contract and could sign with any team. So, by your definition, all 32 teams in the league, nay, every professional and semi-professional football team in North America, are cheap.

The fans like to make football teams seem like family. But in the end it’s a business.

by Danwood on Oct 7, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

What does it say to potential free agents?

That Ted Thompson is a cheapskate that doesn’t take care of his players? That a pro bowl defensive end going into a contract year essentially is shown the door by being forced to change positions? That the pro bowl safety can’t get a contract extension prior to his contract terminating because he has to prove himself, again? That Thompson squeezes nickels when he’s $20 million under the salary cap?

Ron Wolf had to change the entire image of Green Bay in order to save the franchise. He pulled it off, first by signing Reggie White, then by gaining a reputation for the Packers as a great organization for players. We don’t need to screw that up.

Oh, wait. We don’t sign free agents. Never mind.

But again, I think (I WANT to think) that Thompson’s interest in Tauscher is new, and a result of the failure of the offensive line.

by ktenreb on Oct 7, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

what happens

if they had signed Tauscher even though he wasn’t physically able to play for a few months simply because of his history with the franchise (which I greatly respect his service over the years btw) and then it turns out that he never is able to be cleared to play again?

My guess, though, is that the interest in Tauscher now is a reaction to how awful the offensive line has played.

We want the GM to look for ways to improve the O line and when he does you are blasting him for it. This guy can’t win with you, can he?

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Oct 7, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's the major counterpoint to your case:

foresight.

Plus, reality:

Green Bay — The Green Bay Packers haven’t ruled out re-signing Mark Tauscher if the candidates to replace him at right tackle don’t pan out.

“We have three young guys we’re excited about, but Mark is someone we’ve talked to,” coach Mike McCarthy said. “That’s why we go to training camp. I would never rule Mark out. He’s a great guy, a class act.”

Tauscher, 32, underwent reconstructive knee surgery Jan. 15 after blowing out his left anterior cruciate ligament Dec. 7 against Houston. A source close to the situation said Tauscher’s rehabilitation is well ahead of schedule and that he was extremely optimistic about being ready to play by early September.

The Packers have said consistently that they don’t expect Tauscher to play until Oct. 1. Patrick McKenzie, the team’s physician, operated on Tauscher and has been seeing him on a regular basis.

McCarthy mentioned Allen Barbre, Tony Moll and Breno Giacomini as strong candidates to replace Tauscher, who started 127 of 129 games from 2000-’08, counting playoffs. Rookie T.J. Lang is another possibility.

“Allen has done a great job and got a ton of reps at right tackle,” McCarthy said. “Tony Moll really took a step forward. His work at left tackle really, really helped him with the speed of the game and with the athletic rush guys. Then Breno, we hope to get him back full-go once we start camp.”

Tauscher, whose contract expired after the season, figures to be among the four or five most attractive veteran tackles on the market once clubs determine his knee is sound.

After surgery, Tauscher did his rehabilitation at the Packers’ facility until about late March. Since then, he has been living in Madison and working out at the University of Wisconsin.

Last Saturday, Tauscher was married to Sarah Helgeson in Madison. About 30 of his former teammates at Wisconsin and Green Bay were in attendance, and Packers left tackle Chad Clifton was a groomsman.

by 400metres on Oct 7, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

thanks for digging this up

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Oct 7, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Many free agents are already not going to want to come here

because it’s very cold and there’s not a very active night life. As for him not resigning Tauscher. What did you expect, he is an aging veteran that had a very serious knee injury, no team in the league would give him a contract, like how Danwood said, any team could have offered him one but strangely none did. The NFL is a business, and though it may seem unfair, the team’s interest comes before a players.

As for Collins, the guy is making over 3 million this year (If I’m not mistaken) so I can see why his contract issues aren’t a concern for management. Now if it was as low as Greg Jennings was set to make this year (Less than a million) I could see it maybe being an issue. I think Thompson’s issue is that he wants the players to earn their contracts which is exactly how it should be. I get so tired of players having one good year and then demanding big money. They need to honor the contract they signed just as much as any team should have to honor it.

by Charlie Kelly on Oct 8, 2009 5:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let's hope it pans out

It’s a gamble to allow a player to get into his contract year without signing him to an extension. The player can gamble that he will have a big year and be able to cash in on the free agent market (notice how baseball players seem to have better years when they are playing for a contract?), the downside being that he can get hurt and lose his value (like Tauscher). On the other hand, the team gambles by not signing if they commit to a large signing bonus and the player doesn’t perform or gets hurt (like Tauscher). When a team plays hardball like that (like with Tauscher) and wins, it costs the player a huge amount of money. Other free agents notice that.

Collins wanted a new deal but didn’t get one despite public lobbying. Let’s see what he does if he makes it through the season healthy and productive. He likely will choose to hit the open market, which means the Packers will be in a bidding war (and with the CBA issues this is NOT the year to get into bidding wars). It is possible that Thompson will try to re-sign him in late November if he is still healthy.

Kampman adds another issue. In addition to being an unrestricted free agent after this year, he is being asked to take his premier, pro-bowl skills and move them to a different position. The guy is as good as gone, and I don’t blame him because he essentially has been shown the door.

Finally, let me address the charge of being a Thompson hater. I am a Packer fan. I have been a Packer fan since the 1960s. I was fortunate to be able to appreciate the tail end of the Lombardi dynasty. I was unfortunate to be compelled to endure Phil Bengston, Dan Devine (he won one division title but otherwise was mediocre until he won a national championship at Notre Dame), Bart Starr, Forrest Gregg, and Lindy Infante. Those were dark times that also included oil embargoes and energy shortages (we were encouraged to set our thermostats at 65 degrees and to wear sweaters), hyperinflation, hostages in Iran, and Richard Nixon. The 1989 Packers (I think) teased with a 10-win season, but then the team fell apart the following years. There was serious talk of how the Packers needed to be moved to a different market, possibly Milwaukee, or how the team might even need to fold because of its unique ownership structure. The Packers were awful, an example of how a professional sports franchise should not be run.

Then, things started looking up as the Democrats won the White House (sorry, had to take a political shot for the benefit of my good friend GGGarner) and the Packers hired Ron Wolf. Wolf saved the Green Bay Packers from extinction. He understood that a small market team in Siberia had to market itself differently than other franchises. And he did it by focusing on putting a quality product on the field. He hired Mike Holmgren, the single best decision he made. He signed Reggie White by outbidding everybody else in the league, which is also the single best decision he made. And he traded a first round pick for a third-string quarterback with the Falcons, which truly was the single best decision he made.

Wolf continued to make his best decisions and he assembled a Super Bowl winning team. More importantly, he created a quality organization. Revenues flowed, life was good (no, life GREAT). The media caught on and Green Bay became a destination for other players; they WANTED to be Packers to enjoy the quality and success of the organization. He certainly had his missteps (Ray Rhodes, for example), but without him, well, I don’t know where we would be.

I am going to skip over the Mike Sherman GM years, other than to defend his handling of the salary cap (slightly) this way: Sherman inherited a very good team that was a definite Super Bowl contender. He accordingly went “all in” on salaries with players to plug the holes he perceived that would allow the team to win another Super Bowl. It didn’t work for a bunch of reasons (some of which were his fault, others of which were not), and then the bill came in the form of salary cap hell. He tried, it just didn’t work.

Now we have Ted Thompson. I start with the premise that he is in charge of the team. He is the grown-up, the guy who is supposed to be in charge. I submit that his job is to continue the good will and success that Wolf created. Unfortunately, at this point I am concerned that he just isn’t doing the job. Some accuse him of sabotaging the first year on purpose to get rid of Sherman as his head coach (Adrian Klemm and Will Whittaker being the guards on the roster leads some credence to this conspiracy theory), resulting in a 4 – 12 season (in fairness, this was the year Sherman’s salary cap bill came due). But right now, I see a bad offensive line despite four years to replace the guards that left. I see curious personnel decisions (cutting the perfectly serviceable punter without a viable backup plan). I see players not being treated respectfully (Collins, Kampman). But worse, I see our reputation as a destination suffering. As another poster pointed out, Green Bay doesn’t have the night life or excitement of New York or Philadelphia or Denver or Miami or even Minneapolis, and if the GM is not perceived as being the best guy in the league to work for, I fear a return to bleaker times.

So, bottom line is this: Green Bay is the most difficult team in the league at which to be the GM. To succeed in that job, you have to be the best in the game. That is the standard to which Thompson must be held because its the hand we are dealt, and unfortunately right now I don’t see it.

I fully expect that Mitchell and Brandon will ban me now for being too negative, but hopefully they will allow this post to remain as my legacy.

by ktenreb on Oct 8, 2009 7:14 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

excellent analysis

Thanks for explaining your views. Very well thought out.

Kampman adds another issue. In addition to being an unrestricted free agent after this year, he is being asked to take his premier, pro-bowl skills and move them to a different position. The guy is as good as gone, and I don’t blame him because he essentially has been shown the door.

I also am disappointed with the way that we are utilizing Kampman’s skills and I also wouldn’t be shocked if he left at the end of the year. But should we not switch to a new defensive system (a change of some kind was needed, you can argue for or against the 3-4 but the same defensive system could not be used again this year with no changes) simply because one guy who will be affected is a nice guy? That doesn’t make much sense to me. I love Kampman and think that he is a great player but he isn’t quite the type of defender that you build a defense around. I do wish we could use his skills better but I’m not ready to say that Kampman is evidence that Green Bay wrongs players intentionally to push them out the door.

I agree with you wholeheartedly about the greatness of Ron Wolf and the effect that he had on the Packers. He and Holmgren made such an impact on the franchise that it cannot be understated. Does that mean that any GM that is not an exact clone of Ron Wolf is bad? Not in my opinion.

I submit that his job is to continue the good will and success that Wolf created. Unfortunately, at this point I am concerned that he just isn’t doing the job.

Completely reasonable opinion.

Some accuse him of sabotaging the first year on purpose to get rid of Sherman as his head coach (Adrian Klemm and Will Whittaker being the guards on the roster leads some credence to this conspiracy theory), resulting in a 4 – 12 season (in fairness, this was the year Sherman’s salary cap bill came due).

In my opinion, completely unreasonable opinion. There is simply no way that a GM would intentionally sabotage a season just to fire a head coach. The fact that guards who did not pan out were the starters going into a season is just not evidence of “throwing” a season just so you can fire a coach. Were Klemm and Whittaker bums? Absolutely. Does that automatically lead to a GM sabotaging a season? No.

But right now, I see a bad offensive line despite four years to replace the guards that left.

Agreed. I don’t think finding good offensive lineman is as easy as some arm-chair GM’s make it out to be, but I can’t argue against this at all.

I see curious personnel decisions (cutting the perfectly serviceable punter without a viable backup plan).

Again, couldn’t agree with you more. I personally find this more egregious of a crime than most of the other “offenses” since it was blatantly obvious last year just how much it hurt us.

I see players not being treated respectfully (Collins, Kampman).

Here is where I disagree. I’ve already covered my opinions on the Kampman thing, I don’t think its disrespectful to a player to change a system. I respect Collins wanting to get a bigger contract after a great year because the NFL is not like baseball or basketball with guaranteed contracts and in the NFL you can be cut at any time regardless of your contract. The player has every right to look of out for themselves. But it is not the GM’s job to simply give in to every player who feels they deserve a better contract. Javon Walker wanted big money after 1 and half great seasons. Thompson didn’t cave in to his demands and it certainly worked in our favor as Walker has bombed horribly since he left the Pack. Its not being disrespectful to a player, its running the franchise.

I fully expect that Mitchell and Brandon will ban me now for being too negative, but hopefully they will allow this post to remain as my legacy.

Being a little melodramatic here. First of all, this post is not very negative, imo. You clearly explained your reasons for your opinions. What more can anyone ask than that? We may not agree on everything but I can certainly respect someone’s opinion when it is backed up with reasons. Second of all, no one has any problem with differing opinions or negative viewpoints. Who would want to read a blog filled with nothing but Pollyanna “everything is perfect” viewpoints when there are issues that can be dealt with? Not trying to speak for Brandon and Mitchell (who do a terrific job of running this blog), but it’s when the comments become personal attacks on others who have different viewpoints than yourself that it becomes an issue. Calling someone Hinckley because they aren’t a fan of Favre anymore would be an example of this. I would hate to see you leave because your contributions have been very insightful at times and I enjoy discussion because it can open my eyes to viewpoints I may not have explored before. So…thanks :)

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Oct 8, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you’re going to walk around with the name “FavreSucks” you’d better have skin thick enough to take the shots you know will be coming. It doesn’t matter who your college roommate is.

by ktenreb on Oct 8, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah but there is a difference between having thick skin and calling someone an attempted assassin. It’s obvious the guys screen name irritates the hell out of you. But that doesn’t give you the right to personally attack the guy.

I’m just glad you don’t have any problems with the numbers 3, 2, or 9

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Oct 8, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

If his name was "ThompsonSucks"

I’d still be all over him. It’s immature. However, I might let “SalBandoSucks” go unchallenged. There is common ground if you look hard enough.

Just so it’s known, my name (ktenreb) was chosen for me by another lawyer in my office a few years ago who created an account for me to sign me up to play in a fantasy football league. It has a hidden meaning that is mildly obscene, but that can’t be ascertained by anybody without inside knowledge

by ktenreb on Oct 8, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

You know what else is immature?

Going completely hysterical because the Packers have opened the season 2-2; i.e.,

  • declaring that Thompson purposefully destroyed his first season as Packers GM in order to get rid of the head coach (this is an Obama-wasn’t-born-here type of conspiracy theory, and just as credible),
  • ignoring the fact that the Packers have a lot of starters in contract years (specifically, Clifton, Collins, Colledge, Pickett, Kampman, Bigby, Jolly, and Spitz) and
  • somehow equating the fact that Thompson didn’t trip over himself racing to offer a long-term contract to a seriously injured RT with him destroying GB’s reputation as a great destination for high-profile free agents (which never existed to begin with, as verno329 covered above)

I have my issues with Thompson too; particularly, I’m very disturbed by how awful the offensive linemen he has drafted are performing at this level. However, I think the blame for that state of affairs must also be shared on the developmental end – coaching. And I agree that with an injured Tauscher and Clifton clearly on the decline physically, if (and I emphasise, if) , there was a quality tackle on the market last offseason, Thompson should have made a better effort to sign that individual.

However, I would challenge you to quit bitching and actually constructively criticize Thompson by pointing out what he should or could have done differently. For instance, who should he have signed in this past offseason? It’s easy to declare “ZOMG!@! TT needs to spend some $$$ on the Free Agency!!! He suxxxx!!!!”, but it’s much harder to actually point out some obvious solutions. Because, if there’s no obvious solutions, then how could Thompson alone be responsible for not seeing them?

And how about noting all the things that Thompson has done right?

  • Drafted Rodgers and stuck by him in the face of a lot of criticism
  • Completely remade a terribly untalented team, saddled with overpaid non-productive veterans and no room under the salary cap, into one of the most deep and promising in the NFL.
  • Signed under-heralded FAs such as Woodson, Pickett, and Chillar, and hasn’t signed one over-heralded FA.

The bottom line is Thompson has made mistakes (Harell, OL draftees, and I’m starting to think that McCarthy is not such a great coach), but nothing that, when put in the context of other successful NFL teams, demands he be fired as a hopeless failure. After all, how many high-profile FAs have the Steelers, the Patriots, or the Colts signed the past few offseasons? Thompson is an above-average GM in my opinion; but on the other hand, I think the coaching in GB is deeply suspect, because, when healthy, the Packers are a very talented squad that shouldn’t look as unprepared and uninspired as they did against the Bengals, for instance.

by 400metres on Oct 8, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

An NFL GM is a pro (Millen excepted)

An NFL GM couldn’t walk in and do my job without at least 10 years of training and experience. I don’t expect to be able to do theirs now, especially without the resources at their disposal. Pay me to research guys, give me a staff, and give me a few years of training and experience and then i could tell you which guys they ought to have picked up. But not now.

This was part of the madness of the Matt Millen fiasco in Detroit. When a guy says “I could do that” he’s probably wrong 999/1000 times. Matt Millen couldn’t, and he never seemed to learn anything on the job, either, even with NFL experience as a player and the super bowl rings. For all intents and purposes, the Lions were run by an amateur, and a chowder-headed one at that.

N.B. this does not mean that TT or anyone else is above criticism. In fact, it means just the opposite, that they ought to be held to the higher standard of comparing their decisions to those of their peers, not of fans and TV yakkers.

by uglyfatpimplynerd on Oct 8, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You caught the straw man argument!

Note I said that “some have said” that Thompson set Sherman up to fail so that he could fire him, but that in fairness he had to manage a difficult cap situation at the same time. So, I didn’t say sabotaged the season, I said others said. It’s sort of like saying “I never said the Iraqis had weapons of mass destruction. I said the British said Iraq had WMD.” I think that the such a strategy is not necessarily too Macchiavellian for Thompson, but it is certainly too risky for his blood.

The free agents on the roster include 2 pro bowlers: Kampman and Collins. Kampman, as discussed above, doesn’t fit the 3 – 4 and I think he is as good as gone. Bigby is Chuck Cecil, a wild man who shortened his career with reckless play. Clifton is worth keeping because of the lack of any replacements, but he very well may retire. Jolly appears to not be going to jail, so he may be re-signed, but obviously with the legal cloud hanging over his head nobody is going to sign him to any extension. Spitz and Colledge? Eh . . . The only free agent worth keeping is Collins, and if he’s jerked around he may conclude that New York has bright lights and a better atmosphere.

I don’t advocate free agents to fill holes. I advocate instead a smart draft strategy that recognizes needs (I hate drafting the “best player available,” WTF do we need more WRs for?), and a free agent strategy to complement the draft. Some of the high picks for Thompson have panned out, like Rodgers and Collins, others have not. The mid-round picks aren’t all that good, however. You can keep pointing to the Woodson signing, an uncharacteristic but commendable move, but Pickett simply replaced Grady Jackson (a push). Chillar is a net positive, so credit for that.

As for coaching vs. personnel. Hmm. If you had to keep either Thompson or McCarthy, I take it you’d keep Thompson. I think I disagree. Perhaps we should compromise and get rid of both of them?

Finally, what would I have done? Well, I’m a lawyer, I’m not a GM, so my opinions are uninformed and unprofessional. I think, though, that I likely would have tried to anticipate the decline of my aging tackles prior to the last offseason.

by ktenreb on Oct 8, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Note I said that "some have said" that Thompson set Sherman up to fail so that he could fire him, but that in fairness he had to manage a difficult cap situation at the same time. So, I didn’t say sabotaged the season, I said others said.

Duly noted

Some of the high picks for Thompson have panned out, like Rodgers and Collins, others have not. The mid-round picks aren’t all that good, however. You can keep pointing to the Woodson signing, an uncharacteristic but commendable move, but Pickett simply replaced Grady Jackson (a push). Chillar is a net positive, so credit for that.

See, this is exactly my point. Over the last few weeks, I’ve heard a lot of negativity about Thompson’s draft results, some fair, some not. However, I’ve yet to hear any criticism in context – i.e., compared to other successful organisations like NE, PIT, or IND. I’m sure each of those teams have drafted a lot of mid- to low-round draft picks that didn’t pan out either. That’s why I think it is unfair to criticize Thompson as if he’s the only GM in the league (or Packer history for that matter, including Ron Wolf), that’s blown most of his draft picks. The reality is that most draft picks don’t become great players. Go review the drafts of Wolf if you don’t agree with me, and you’ll find some truly great players drafted amongst a pile of mediocrity.

And I don’t know what to make of your last two sentences. You agree that Thompson has played the FA market in a savvy manner so far, but still it’s “uncharacteristic”? Woodson was not a highly sought FA and many criticized Thompson for bringing him in because of his injury history. Thompson signs Pickett and the Packers have enjoyed a seamless transition at the nose tackle position, but he should only be given credit for a “push”? Isn’t the biggest complaint against Thompson right now (it is certainly mine) that he flubbed the transition from the Packers aging/injured pro-bowl caliber tackles? If he had signed a quality tackle in the offseason, would you consider that only a “push”?

The fact is, Verno329 nailed it – Thompson simply can’t do anything right by your measure. You have a right to your opinion, but you can’t expect others to view it as anything other than prejudiced, particularly considering the actual facts allied against it.

Finally, what would I have done? Well, I’m a lawyer, I’m not a GM, so my opinions are uninformed and unprofessional. I think, though, that I likely would have tried to anticipate the decline of my aging tackles prior to the last offseason.

Well, that’s two points we completely agree on.

by 400metres on Oct 8, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

The difference between

the Packers, on the one hand, and the Patriots, Colts and Steelers, on the other, is that the latter have won Super Bowls recently. If Thompson gets the results, he’s gold. It’s because he doesn’t (and isn’t coming close) that he is subject to second guessing.

by ktenreb on Oct 8, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

So I guess the other 27 GMs are doing pretty crappy jobs too, huh?

I mean, by that criteria, every year there should be 31 GM jobs open.

by Danwood on Oct 8, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you haven't done it after 5 years

then yes, you should be replaced.

This is year 5. Let’s see.

And if you read my post, Green Bay isn’t like all the other cities. It’s the most difficult market in the NFL, and as a result it demands the best GM. We almost lost the franchise because of the 70s and 80s. We don’t need to go back to those days.

by ktenreb on Oct 8, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jauron

Jauron’s 2001 team went 13-3. The Bears were no good in 2002 & 2003 and Jauron got canned. Was that too hasty? Maybe, but i think Angelo was an improvement.

It’s a similar situation now in GB: a flukey season a couple years ago that raised the bar followed by stagnation/regression. I’d have to put TT & MM are in a precarious situation here. Not sure Murphy is ready to rock the boat, buy you never know.

by uglyfatpimplynerd on Oct 8, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well you still have to wait until the season is over before you can determine whether 2007 or 2008 was the fluke. Everyone is jumping the gun here and going overboard after a tough (emotional) loss to a good divisional rival on the road. There are definitely causes for concern that must be addressed but it is too early to begin talking about regime change, imo.

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Oct 8, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

"It’s because he doesn’t (and isn’t coming close) that he is subject to second guessing."

You might want to reserve the use of “not even close” to support your point to those instances when it’s not completely refuted by reality.

by 400metres on Oct 8, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

6 - 10

One playoff appearance in 4 years.

Will you agree that if the Packers don’t make a deep run into the playoffs this year then perhaps a change might be in order?

And please don’t bold. It’s juvenile. Oswald.

by ktenreb on Oct 8, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Um, dude?

That isn’t bolding, it’s called a hyperlink. Internet much?

And yes, if the Pack misses the playoffs this year, changes should be made, but I think the coaching needs to be re-evaluated. There’s enough talent at every position to succeed. If the team continues to look unprepared and unfocused, that’s a lack of coaching, not personnel, imo.

by 400metres on Oct 8, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I want to see how the rest of this year pans out first before making a real evaluation. I am patient enough if there is progress. If there is another sub-.500 season then, yes, changes should be made at either the HC or GM level. But I would not require a deep playoff run for them to stay.

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Oct 8, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

a deep run is asking way too much. But the standard with this team should be making the playoffs, considering the talent and the schedule.

by 400metres on Oct 8, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

In looking at Wolf's drafts

He had some busts on early round O linemen too. Particularly John Michels and Ross Verba. But he also had some good early picks in Aaron Taylor, Earl Dotson, Mike Flanagan, and Mike Wahle. Did Wolf do the draft in 2000 as well? If so you can add Clifton to the mix. But he cleaned up in the later rounds. Adam Timmerman, Marco Rivera, Mark Tauscher. Thats some pretty good stuff there.

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Oct 8, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yea, a closer look

reveals that prior to 1996, Ron Wolf had drafted a lot of bad offensive linemen; but post ’96, he picked up Mike Wahle, Chad Clifton, and Mark Tauscher.

Overall, Wolf drafted 6 good-great offensive linemen (Dotson, Timmerman, Flanagan, Wahle, Clifton, and Tauscher) out of 15 picks between 1991-2000.

Clearly, picking which of the collegiate linemen are going to be serviceable in the NFL is pretty much a crap shoot.

by 400metres on Oct 8, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don’t forget about Rivera. He was pretty good too. And in the 6th round

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Oct 8, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here we go again

I’m not FavreSucks though, ktenreb. He’s basically done with this site, number one because he doesn’t have time anymore and number two because he’s a lot like me. Were on here to talk about the Packers and disagreements happen. That is completely fine, but you’re obviously a well seasoned man (since you’ve been a Packer fan since the 60’s) so why would you resort to making personal attacks?

I’m completely fine with you now because for the most part we talk about the Packers, but once again you bring up politics and talk about thick skin when if you remember correctly, my name is GGGamer (even though you still purposely call me Garner) not FavreSucks and you were making ridiculous comment after ridiculous comment to everyone of my posts as well. In real life I do have thick skin and I actually use to be the class clown, but I’m on acme on the internet to talk about the Packers and it was totally uncalled for the way you commented to all of my posts.

You automatically labeled me a TT lover when I’m so-so on his management style as I’ve already talked about and you call me a Favre hater because I bring up his spotty playoff record for the past 12 years. I just want to reiterate again that I’m completely cool with you now, just quit saying I hero worship TT (since that isn’t true) and quit bringing up politics after your rebutle to this. Wasn’t it Ronald Reagan a Republican who helped turn our country around from Jimmy Carter a Democrats marvelous leadership?

by GGGamer on Oct 8, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

My bad

I brought up the Democrats in a positive light (I’m really a registered Republican) just to see if you were reading! And I didn’t mention you even once by name, although I guess I did mention FavreSucks’ college roommate without naming him. I didn’t call you a “TT lover” either (it would be hard since I didn’t mention you at all by name), nor are there any personal attacks.

In the interest of promoting peaceful Packer polemics (get the alliteration?!), i will post nothing further about politics, or at least if I do it won’t be positive about Democrats. Accept my apololgy?

by ktenreb on Oct 8, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

HaHa

Accepted. I’ve just been on a few boards in the past where politics are brought up and the board automatically goes to hell in a handbasket. Definitely don’t want to see that here.

In regards to the TT lover defense, we have several times been in conflict about you calling me a TT hero worshipper and a Favre hater, and I have in turn called you a TT hater and a Favre lover so that’s out of the way now and back to the Packers…

by GGGamer on Oct 8, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cue the music

“Can you feel the love tonight?

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Oct 8, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't Get Started

ktenreb will start calling you Lee Harvey Oswalt or Jack Ruby.

by GGGamer on Oct 8, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Still trying to cause trouble, eh?

GGGarner, you are irrascible!

And its Lee Harvey OSWALD.

Geez.

by ktenreb on Oct 8, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

My fault

It is Oswald. I stand corrected. I wasn’t alive when all that took place so I have an excuse.

by GGGamer on Oct 8, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

You brought up some valid points

but like I said earlier, you make it seem as though the Packers are the only team that does this with it’s players. Besides, regardless of how we treat our players, Green Bay will very rarely be a place where high caliber free agents want to go because it’s cold and many of these players are probably younger and would prefer a more exciting city than Green Bay, Wisconsin.

I’ve already said how I felt about Collins, he was still set to make a very good paycheck this year, and sure it’s hard for him not to try and look ahead past this but as he’s seen with Jennings and Rodgers, Thompson will play players who have earned it. I feel this is the way business should be handled but maybe with this tough economy I just have a real hard time feeling sorry for a guy who is making 3 million this year wanting more money.

As for Kampman, I agree that it is unfair that he was asked to change positions in a contract year, and I hope he is compensated because he is a classy all around good guy and has been a great contributor to the team. Although I don’t think they made him switch just to show him the door, he had to switch because that’s where he fits in the 3-4. He still looks uncomfortable out there, so if this is going to be our new defense I hope they trade him to a team that can utilize him.

Now, I’ve only been a fan since the early 90’s so I can’t say I remember the bad teams of the 70’s and 80’s. But I do remember the Wolf era and how great of a GM he was. I also remember the Sherman era and how we were put in salary cap hell because of it. I disagree with your assessment of Thompson sabotaging Sherman by getting rid of Wahle and Rivera, they were both due big money we didn’t have and they both went on to very little after leaving here.

Now as for Thompson, I don’t think he is perfect by any means. One thing, almost all of his lineman he has drafted have been awful. He has had his fair share of early busts like Harrell and Brohm. He has been stingy when it comes to pulling the trigger on trades for high profile players that could help the team (Moss and Gonzalez), and he has completely shied away from any sort of big name aquisiton (Like Reggie White with Wolf) But a lot of his detractors miss some positives he has done like a some good free agent signings and trades (Pickett, Woodson, Chillar) He has had some good players drafted (Jennings, Collins, Tramon Williams, Rodgers). Now all in all, I’m not completely sold on Thompson being the guy to take us to the next level, but I’d like to at least see where it’s going for a year or two more before calling for his head. Wolf won the Superbowl in his fifth year if I’m not mistaken and this is Thompson’s fourth year, but like how Aaron Rodgers is not Brett Favre, Thompson is not Ron Wolf, I’d like to see him at least get a chance to establish his own legacy.

Anyways, although we disagree on some things, I’ve always seen you as a respectful poster who puts up well though out arguments, I highly doubt you’ll get banned.

by Charlie Kelly on Oct 8, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fifth

TT did the 2005 draft. This is his 5th season. So go ahead and make those ’96 comparisons. The ’95 team was way better than this one, too.

by uglyfatpimplynerd on Oct 8, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

How long do you want to give him?

10 years? 15? 30?

Given that the best have done it in 5 years, i think that’s reasonable. The turnaround after Braatz was marked and the team continued to improve. Do you see the arrow pointing up? I’m not sure it is. If TT is not the guy, it’s crazy to stick with him.

by uglyfatpimplynerd on Oct 8, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

If the Packers Add

A beasty ILB, a new o-line coach with some new o-line talent, and the defense continues to grow into the 3-4, they could be great. How are the Packers not pointing up with more experience?

by GGGamer on Oct 8, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hit/Miss ratio

No one says TT hasn’t had his hits. The question is whether he has enough of them and whether he churns his mistakes quickly enough.

by uglyfatpimplynerd on Oct 8, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Let's Remember

Greg Williams took over the Saints defense because he wanted to be in the South. Greg Williams said in an interview that the Packers had better talent and personnel than the Saints and any other team he could have went to but he didn’t want to be up North. The Saints are the best team in the league right now and Greg Williams said the Packers have more talent. The downfall of the Packers is the offensive line and the depth. I think TT has done a good job of making a talented starting lineup but he has failed in bringing good depth when injuries occur. Isn’t the average backup only 22 years old?

by GGGamer on Oct 8, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure how to take that

That comment seems to be motivated by protocol and politesse more than analysis, but even if we take it at face value it doesn’t say much for the coaching staff. TT hired them, too.

by uglyfatpimplynerd on Oct 8, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

IDK

Where you get politesse out of that. I was defending TT for having a talented team but recognizing his failure in adding quality depth at OT and S. I also think people are flipping out a little bit too much. If Clifton and Tauscher solidify this offensive line and Bigby stays healthy, the Packers are gonna make a good run. The problem is they have to remain farily healthy. That just happens to be a big problem in the NFL.

by GGGamer on Oct 8, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Williams

I think he was referring to Greg Williams’ comments being out of politeness and not actual analysis.

by chewie on Oct 8, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry

Gotcha. I disagree with that assessment however. It’s hard to look at things unbiasedly but I really do think the Packers have better overall talent than the Saints and I don’t know why Williams would say that in politesse. He in effect would be talking up the Packers but ripping his own team a little bit. If a couple of the 1st and 2nd year guys become players (Raji, Matthews on D, Sitton, Lang on offense) than they looked absolutely loaded. Now here’s to getting a new offensive line coach and scheme.

by GGGamer on Oct 8, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds like he's telling the truth

But Capers did, without question, have the most talent to work with. Williams said when he evaluated each of his nine possible destinations – including Denver and New Orleans – for talent already on the roster, the Packers clearly were No. 1.

“From the starters to the reserves, the depth of young talent there was really impressive,” Williams said. “That was a big mark in their corner.”
Greg Bedard

by GGGamer on Oct 10, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

hometown bot and again the pack blows it.. what ya want our o-line is the worst its been in a long time we need help. and mark is the man to do so like it or not he is better than what we got.

Who wants some?

by Turtleman on Oct 7, 2009 1:30 AM CDT reply actions  

what?

I don’t understand anything you just wrote.

It’s worth a shot. Guy knows the system and knows the schemes, so his indoctrination shouldn’t take too long. Thank god it’s a bye week.

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."

by Hyatt on Oct 7, 2009 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

At this point, with as many sacks as that line has allowed this year,

they absolutely have to do something, there is NO WAY the Pack can just stand pat with the line they have right now. A change has to be made.

Green and Gold / Black, and White

by OznCoop on Oct 7, 2009 8:04 AM CDT reply actions  

unfortunately

He plays on the side that doesn’t get most of the top rushers. The siv left side will still be in tact. I suppose the hope there is we get Clifton back after the bye but I am still quite nervous. I guess I would like to see some new blood in there, not recycled and injured former packers.

by TrevorR on Oct 7, 2009 8:45 AM CDT reply actions  

Better

I can live with Tauscher and Clifton on the ends of the line, at least for one season. Then, they can work on the future in the off-season.

by jonohull on Oct 7, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Take the place of Blackmon?

I would think they would waive Dietrich-Smith, and get another corner from waivers or practice squad.

by grant76 on Oct 7, 2009 9:27 AM CDT reply actions  

TT makes a move

Hey this is brilliant. Did not TT send him packing? And now he needs him back. Wow Have they given any thought to back up QB’s? What if Rodgers get hurt? Here is yet another example of the mismanagement of the organization. Go TT GO your the …..well you must be something?

THOMPSON IS A MORON

by 4 where-ever on Oct 7, 2009 12:15 PM CDT reply actions  

If you consider not re-signing a guy who was not medically cleared to play and was a free agent “sending him packing” then, yes, I guess he did. Now that he is cleared to play he’s bringing him in to see if he can help the current situation.

Here is yet another example of the mismanagement of the organization.

Or another example of your complete inability to analyze the situation, whichever you prefer.

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Oct 7, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

VERY glad to hear this news.

Tauscher was such a great Packer for so long, I would be VERY happy to have him back.

I always loved that one.

by FoulJack on Oct 7, 2009 12:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Tauscher and Allen won't line up against one another

Brandon: “Maybe now they can keep DE Jared Allen off QB Aaron Rodgers’s back.”

Except that Mark Tauscher is a Right OT, and Jared Allen is a Right DE. They line up at opposite ends of the Line of Scrimmage.

by aladdinwa on Oct 7, 2009 3:22 PM CDT reply actions  

So maybe it just hasn't been announced yet...

… but what the hell is taking so long? We’re millions under the cap, our QB is getting killed, and he’s likely asking for less than you paid him last year (not to mention that he’s already lost 1/4 of his paychecks).

Stop acting like your paying him with your own money and sign him already. Either he can pass a physical or he can’t. If he can, give him what he wants and get him in here.

Jeez…

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 7, 2009 9:21 PM CDT reply actions  

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