Recap: Vikings Defeat Green Bay Packers 38-26
by Brandon on Nov 2, 2009 8:00 AM CST
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Right after the game, there was a Brief Recap post with my initial thoughts after the game. Take a look at that post for a brief summary of the game. After the jump is the specific break down from the play-by-play.
The only significant injury was LB Brandon Chillar, who has a broken hand. Luckily they've got a solid backup in LB Desmond Bishop, and it meant more playing time for LB A.J. Hawk too. We'll have to wait until later this week to see whether Chillar can have it placed in a cast and so he can continue to play. Even in the best case scenario, he should miss next week.
I'll give a break to rookie LT T.J. Lang. He's gotten thrown into a tough situation, and has gotten beaten badly by DE Jared Allen in 2 games against him. But he's shown some promise. Even if he did leave Allen unblocked on one sack. But as far as this season goes, it's great news that LT Chad Clifton will be back next week. Tom Pelissero said "[Clifton] expects to practice on Wednesday and be ready to face Tampa Bay."
There is no excuse for not benching RT Allen Barbre at this point. RT Mark Tauscher went through his first full practices last week, and is as ready as he is going to get.
Vikings vs Packers coverage; Vikings vs Packers recap; Vikings vs Packers boxscore; Daily Norseman
From the NFL.com play-by-play:
First Quarter:
(12:56) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass deep right to 80-D.Driver ran ob at MIN 40 for 20 yards.
They had 20 yards on this play alone, but only 47 yards on offense in the 1st half. The receivers just started getting open in the 2nd half. They adjusted and figured out how to attack the Vikings' zone coverage.
(8:15) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete deep middle to 85-G.Jennings [56-E.Henderson].
I point this out because LB E.J. Henderson was in coverage. I've always thought of him as a run stopper, but he did a great job dropping back in coverage. LB Chad Greenway was great too. It was the hidden success of the Vikings pass defense early in this game.
(7:11) (Shotgun) 4-B.Favre Aborted. 65-J.Sullivan FUMBLES at MIN 39, touched at MIN 35, RECOVERED by GB-97-J.Jolly at MIN 21. 97-J.Jolly to MIN 21 for no gain (76-S.Hutchinson).
One of the few mental mistakes the Vikings made in the game. Too bad the Packers only turned it into 3 points.
2-M.Crosby kicks 61 yards from GB 30 to MIN 9. 12-P.Harvin to GB 14 for 77 yards (30-J.Kuhn).
Just a horrible performance by the special teams in this entire game. Bad kickoffs, bad kick coverage, and a missed FG. P Jeremy Kapinos was OK, averaging 43.2 yards/punt. But he wasn't great either, and contributed to the overall bad field position. The Vikings only started with the ball 3 times inside their 35 yard line (all 3 led to punts). The Packers only started with the ball once out past their 35 yard line.
(3:40) 4-B.Favre pass short right to 29-C.Taylor to GB 14 for -5 yards (56-N.Barnett). PENALTY on GB-97-J.Jolly, Personal Foul, 7 yards, enforced at GB 14.
Usually Mike McCarthy doesn't say negative things about specific players during press conferences, but he called out the terrible personal foul on DE Johnny Jolly. They had them stopped on 3rd down, but he kept the drive alive and it led to a Vikings TD.
(1:21) 28-A.Peterson right guard for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.
I was glad to see Brad Childress go for it on 4th down here. He should have just taken the points. The Vikings took a couple risks that paid off for them.
Second Quarter:
(10:48) (Shotgun) 4-B.Favre pass short middle to 81-V.Shiancoe for 12 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
Close doesn't cut it, but that pass was right between CB Tramon Williams and SS Atari Bigby. There were several times in the game when the coverage was just a step late. Though Favre had too much time to pass and a perfect pocket to throw in. The pass rush was M.I.A. again against the Vikings.
(10:38) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers sacked at GB 15 for -8 yards (69-J.Allen).
Troy Aikman was commentating, and said that Rodgers had to step up in the pocket to move away from edge rushers. But it didn't seem like he was walking into any sacks. It seemed like the tackles should have been doing more to push the defensive ends further downfield.
(9:23) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to 89-J.Jones (52-C.Greenway).
A great dive by Greenway to break up the pass on 3rd down.
(6:58) 28-A.Peterson right guard to GB 8 for -1 yards (50-A.Hawk, 79-R.Pickett).
A chance taken that backfired. They had a sure FG from 25 yards out, but Childress turned it down after a 5 yard penalty on 4th down got them within 1 yard of converting. NT Ryan Pickett had a monster game, and has bounced back big time from a disappointing 2008 season.
(3:16) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers sacked at GB 19 for -4 yards (94-P.Williams).
On this sack, C Scott Wells missed the block and NT Pat Williams ran straight ahead for the sack. It was the only time someone other than DE Jared Allen or DE Ray Edwards got a sack. Once again the middle of the offense line did a solid job.
Third Quarter:
(13:20) 4-B.Favre pass deep middle to 12-P.Harvin for 51 yards, TOUCHDOWN. GB-36-N.Collins was injured during the play.
I wrote earlier about chances taken by the Vikings that worked out. This was another one. Just a classic Favre heave-downfield-and-hope-something-good-happens. When he was a Packer, I saw this play get picked off all the time, but I didn't think much of it then because it would often act like a punt. Here Favre threw into triple coverage, but all the defensive backs collided with themselves trying to get to the ball, the defensive backs were just a step late again, and WR Percy Harvin grabbed it and ran for the TD. Dumb luck.
(13:03) 12-A.Rodgers pass deep right to 85-G.Jennings pushed ob at MIN 40 for 30 yards (20-M.Williams).
After only 47 yards of offense in the 1st half, this was a welcome sight.
(8:31) 2-M.Crosby 26 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-61-B.Goode, Holder-10-M.Flynn.
I wanted them to kick the FG. After such a dismal 1st half on offense, they couldn't walk away with nothing on this good opening drive.
2-M.Crosby kicks 36 yards from GB 30 to MIN 34. 96-B.Robison to MIN 42 for 8 yards (50-A.Hawk). FUMBLES (50-A.Hawk), RECOVERED by GB-36-N.Collins at MIN 41. 36-N.Collins to MIN 41 for no gain (33-J.Sanford).
One of the other few plays that went wrong for the Vikings. Just take a knee Robison.
(6:36) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass deep left to 41-S.Havner for 16 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
A great throw by Rodgers. The safety was all over TE Spencer Havner, and Rodgers threw it out and low where only Havner could make a play on it. I'm really impressed with Havner's hands; he seems to catch anything that comes his way.
(5:57) 12-A.Rodgers pass short left to 34-A.Green pushed ob at GB 28 for 12 yards (23-C.Griffin).
OK, it was neat to see RB Ahman Green back as a Packer. Though I don't think he does anything RB Brandon Jackson can't do.
(5:21) 12-A.Rodgers pass deep middle to 89-J.Jones pushed ob at MIN 30 for 42 yards (20-M.Williams).
This deep crossing route was there for Driver, Jennings, and now Jones. It can't be run all game, but it did seem like the place to attack the Vikings zone coverage.
(2:03) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short right to 41-S.Havner for 5 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
Havner again. The Vikings seemed to forget about him in the coverage scheme.
2-M.Crosby kicks 56 yards from GB 30 to MIN 14. 12-P.Harvin pushed ob at GB 38 for 48 yards (38-T.Williams).
Another great return, another short field for the Vikings.
Fourth Quarter:
(14:16) 29-C.Taylor left end to GB 2 for 8 yards (36-N.Collins).
LB Clay Matthews had a great game. He seemed to spend a lot of time in the Vikings backfield. But he was running around before the snap, and by the time he got back in position he was blocked out by WR Sidney Rice and RB Chester Taylor ran right past him. It got the ball down to the 2 yard line and made the TD off the play action pass to the tight end possible.
(11:37) 12-A.Rodgers right end ran ob at MIN 15 for 35 yards (41-K.Paymah).
It might seem like he's taking a big risk running for all those yards, but he's still probably safer in the open field then in the pocket...
(10:31) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short right to 85-G.Jennings for 10 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Penalty on MIN, Defensive Holding, declined. Penalty on MIN-41-K.Paymah, Defensive Pass Interference, declined.
It's been a disappointing season for Jennings, but that was a great catch. He reached down and got it while the defender was illegally draped all over him.
(7:33) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers Aborted. 63-S.Wells FUMBLES at GB 27, recovered by GB-12-A.Rodgers at GB 27. 12-A.Rodgers pass deep left to 80-D.Driver to 50 for 17 yards (21-A.Allen) [91-R.Edwards]. GB-80-D.Driver was injured during the play. PENALTY on MIN-91-R.Edwards, Roughing the Passer, 15 yards, enforced at 50.
An incredible play by Rodgers. He scoops up the bad snap just as the pocket is collapsing, but is still able to take a step and find Driver. And take a big hit at the end.
(5:49) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete deep left to 80-D.Driver (22-B.Sapp).
(5:43) 2-M.Crosby 51 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Right, Center-61-B.Goode, Holder-10-M.Flynn.
I thought this was the end of the game when it happened. Kicking the FG was probably the right thing because Rodgers had just taken (another) hit on the play before and limped off the field. They were still only down by 5 points after the miss, but time was running out. They just could not afford the miss, but Crosby pushed it right. It had the distance and it didn't appear tipped.
(5:38) 4-B.Favre pass short left to 28-A.Peterson to GB 15 for 44 yards (55-D.Bishop, 20-A.Bigby).
It's not surprised they allowed a big run right after the deflating FG miss. Too bad it happened and ruined a great statistical game by the run defense, who held Peterson to only 53 yards on his other 24 carries.
(3:54) 4-B.Favre pass short left to 87-B.Berrian for 16 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
Once again, the coverage was almost there. Not that almost counts. It was a game of inches.
(2:59) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short middle to 89-J.Jones to MIN 48 for 15 yards (23-C.Griffin). PENALTY on GB-78-A.Barbre, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at GB 37 - No Play.
But this was the true end of the game, and the end of any explanation for starting Barbre over Tauscher. Barbre allowed 2 sacks, and I don't know how many big hits (at least that one shot Rodgers took to the ribs from DT Jimmy Kennedy). Jones got the ball into Vikings territory for a 1st down, but it came back on the holding penalty. I was willing to give Barbre the benefit of the doubt up to this game. He's a first year starter, he's getting better, etc. I hadn't even thought too much about the sacks in this game, up to this point, but that penalty was the end.
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Much more classy effort than what you put up last night
Good job. This is not the time for anti-Favre whining, it sounds pathetic.
Only thing that jumps out at me as reversions to that attitude comment on is the “dumb luck” comment on Harvin’s reception and the “almost there” comment on coverage on the late Berrian pass. You still seem to be unwilling to give credit — especially on tht Berrian pass — to great execution by the other team (yes, including their QB). Comes off as more whine.
by puddnhead on Nov 2, 2009 8:11 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
So we don’t only have to endure revisionist history from you, we now also have to submit to your “classiness” lectures?
If anything is “pathetic”, it’s scolding fans who are suffering a tough loss and venting frustration on a blog, calling them a classless “whiner” because they’re upset.
I’ve never seen so many sore winners after a game as I have after this one. Apparently it’s not enough for the Vikings to beat the Packers, you all also require of us to be adequately contrite for ever feeling that Favre is a douche for taking over leadership of our most heated rival, just because he can still play well (as if those two facts are mutually exclusive).
by 400metres on Nov 2, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
“I’ve never seen so many sore winners after a game as I have after this one.”
You’ve clearly not spent much time following the Vikings and their fanbase, then.
I used to love reading the St. Paul Pioneer Press for their coverage of the Vikings. They’d win a couple games, and suddenly everyone is crowing about how they’re Super Bowl bound! Yeah, the Vikings rule and everyone else SUCKS! But if they lose a game they should have won? Tthe gnashing of teeth, the angst, it veritably drips from the page.
Bottom line this week: Hats off to the Vikings for a decent win. They dominated up front, took advantage of the passive defensive scheme, the NUMEROUS mental mistakes on Special Teams, and held off a game Packers squad. A good team seizes opportunities, a middling team hands them out. That’s where we are right now, with room to improve.
But at the end of the day – and admittedly this could all be wishful thinking on my part – this year’s Vikings squad looks like it’s getting all its breaks early in the season, with a pretty good chance of fading down the stretch – especially with Favre’s lack of offseason training and the unavoidable effects of a season of wear and tear on a 40 year old’s body. I look forward to my regular heaping helping of Vikings schadenfreude come December.
by swilldog on Nov 2, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who is the swilldog and where do we find more of him?
Nice post! POST MOAR.
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by Bush League All Star on Nov 2, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I personally think the lack of offseason training is going to be a benefit for his old ass.
That said, the fans on both sides of the St Croix are guilty of being douchebags at times, we should recognize that and at least come together in our love of football.
You know full well that if we had lost, we would be reacting the same way and someone on your site would be over on ours saying the same things.
by Bjorno on Nov 2, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the crux of it.
“A good team seizes opportunities, a middling team hands them out. "
by swilldog
The Pack can’t seem to get handle on mental mistakes. On both sides of the ball and on both side of the side line.
Jolly’s mistake and subsequent idiotic comments are a product of a lack of discipline and a lack of focus. The lip service paid to taking care of penalties and stupid mistakes and the holes in our O line only goes so far when the continue to happen game after game after game after game after game.
And in Sundays game… the kicking to Harvin after watching him shred out kick coverage was infuriating. Pair that with the call to kick at 51 yard field goal when a miss cuts the field in half for an offense firing on all cylinders.
I think it is becoming glaringly apparent that the reason we are still muddling in the middle rest squarely on the shoulders of the head coach…
by GreenandGolder on Nov 3, 2009 8:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry you feel that way
All I said was that posting that great plays against the Packers were the result of “dumb luck” or plays that were ’almost" asctually bad, was not exactly being honest with credit.
All the rest came from inside you, not from me. For the record, you look at most (al?) mys postings here yesterday and today, any time I mention a Packer player, its been in praise. Dang, i even said Lang made improvement. The only negative I had for specific Packers I reserved for Thompson. Check my posting history yourself. Yet somehow you still insist I am a “sore winner.”
by puddnhead on Nov 2, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its his blog, let him 'whine' if he wants
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by boyonthedock on Nov 2, 2009 6:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not stopping him
But don’t tell me I can’t share my opinion. If he doesn’t want comments then, you know … maybe he should just post a static webpage, he shouldn’t have a BLOG? lol
by puddnhead on Nov 2, 2009 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
After reading the comments in the "Brief Recap" thread last night
I actually lost some respect for Vikings fans. I didn’t even know that was possible.
You stay classy, Minneapolis.
by Cheeseandcorn on Nov 2, 2009 8:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Go to Daily Norseman
And read the crap Packers fans have been posting all year. Green Bay fans are not known for their class, to say the least! Those comments are basically us rubbing your noses in it after all the trash you’ve been talking yourselves. Guaranteed the Daily Norseman site would have had triple the trash dumped on it if Green Bay had lucked out and stole that game.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
by Sand0 on Nov 2, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Most of those Packer "fans" on DN don't even post over here
We don’t know know, of them, or have anything to do with them. So if they’re your only justification for coming over here, feel free to ban them from DN and continue on your merry way.
by Danwood on Nov 2, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
I go over to DN a fair amount, and most of the people your talking about Sand0, don’t post over here.
by packallday555 on Nov 2, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i only really see this in football on SBN
the other sports’ bloggers are much more civil with each other
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by boyonthedock on Nov 2, 2009 5:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, Bleed Cubbie Blue has its fair share of trolls, trust me
by Danwood on Nov 2, 2009 6:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that doesn't count
BCB is the worst SBN site I’ve seen. there is no joy to be found there
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by boyonthedock on Nov 2, 2009 11:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you're not including us in that group.
I personally have not joined Daily Norseman, nor do I intend to do so. Why suffer online harassment after I was harassed by Patriots fans for years?
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 2, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing I would harass you about if you joined, is changing your signature.
by dsludo on Nov 2, 2009 7:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Poor sports.
Go back to your blog now. We invited you for the week leading up now go on your way. Quit being donkeys and go away. You all came in here and tried to tell US how we should react to Favre coming here and you won and now you are trying to tell us that its revenge for our comments? Like we haven’t heard the SAME CRAP from your fans all damn year? ARe you kidding?!?!?! SERIOUSLY!
Vikings are NOT known for class either. I’ve been to a dozen Viking games in the dome. I’ve had been dumped on me I’ve had people chanting at me after my team loses and I start leaving. Give me a break. ON top of that, Viking fans are notorious for quiting on their team when times are tough. So please lets not start lecturing about fanbases. Just go back to your site and rip on us there.
by TrevorR on Nov 2, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Every team has fairweather fans.
The only difference between GB and Minnesota is that in the town of GB the per capita of fans who bleed Green and Gold is a hell of a lot higher than in Minneapolis.
Considering that in any population ~25% of the people are freaking morons, I can imagine you ran into a few of them at the game you watched at the Dome. Go to Philly and wear your Packers jersey during an Eagles-Pack game and then come and tell me about how bad Vikings fans are compared to them.
by Bjorno on Nov 2, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My point was in counter point to this steaming pile of crap from Sand0:
Green Bay fans are not known for their class, to say the least!
Certain teams have more than others. I’ve lived in MN for over a decade now. I’ve seen the down times and seen how the fans jump ship. Look at the Twolves right now…they are literally GIVING tickets away…not for cheap, for FREE. Its a down time and now no one will even claim them as their team but I know when they get better one day they’ll all be lifelong Twolf fans. I know that all teams have their fairweather fans but to hear from a Viking fan that Packer fans aren’t known for class when I live here listening to some amazingly classless fans, well that is pretty ridiculous.
Minnesota has a TREMENDOUS amount of disrespect for people from WI. I constantly hear them try to paint people from WI as backdoor redneck country bumpkins and the reality is that most of them know NOTHING about WI. The people in WI they are talking about are exactly the same as the people in small towns in MN. ITs the same. I’ve been both places…its ridiculous and completely arrogant. I listen to it from announcers on the radio (Barrario and PA on KFAN) and listeners and other people on blogs. Pretty classless in my book!
by TrevorR on Nov 2, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, the Wolves is a great example.
I remember just back in 2004, I was a senior in High School and the Wolves made it all the way to the Western Conference Finals with KG, Sprewell, and Cassell. Everyone in school loved the Wolves and wore their KG jerseys proudly. But the following years after KG left and the team slipped into mediocrity, nobody could care less about them. I’ve seen and heard commercials where they need to advertise the opposing teams players (Hey everyone, come see Lebron put up 60 on the Wolves this Friday! Tickets are still available)
I also remember there being blackouts for Vikings games in the mid nineties, it wasn’t until they got Moss that excitement started to build up again.
by Charlie Kelly on Nov 2, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
please back off the Wolves
cause they are my team, Jonny Flynn is a beast… but that’s for another time on a different blog.
If you need to know anything about MOST Minnesota fans, the Vikings stuff is everywhere right now… last year they had to have a business buy like 2,000 playoff tickets 3 days before the Eagles game because no one cared about them being in the Playoffs. They get Brett Favre and suddenly everyone is a hardcore Vikings fan. The same goes for the Twins, T’Wolves, and Wild.
If you want to do something fun, add a bunch of Minnesota people as your friends on Facebook (if you use facebook) and watch all the posts about their team when they’re winning and try to find a post about that team when they’re not winning
by uofmike on Nov 2, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot to add
that if that business didn’t buy the tickets, a playoff game would have been blacked out. Not to mention they bought the tickets after the original deadline for them to get the tickets sold… can you ever remember a playoff game being blacked out?
And even though I love to bash how fair weather MN fans are for all sports (even though I bleed Minnesota for everything but the NFL), you can’t compare Minneapolis and Green Bay. The Twin City area has a team in every professional sport and a major D-1 University, Green Bay has the Packers and UW-Green Bay… if a team isn’t doing well, there’s soooo much more to do here than in Green Bay. Which is probably the reason for all the fair-weatheredness, but I still don’t think that should be an excuse and you should stand by your team no matter what
by uofmike on Nov 2, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
My friend Matt doesn’t give a HOOT about football…suddenly this year he is watching the games and making comments to me about them. That is the SAME crap I see around here all the time. NOw there are diehard fans of course. My wife is a DIEHARD Viking and Twins fan. Heck I ended up watching almost every Twins game cause of her this year. But there are SO many that just completely disappear when the team stinks and they are all about what have you done for us lately.
by TrevorR on Nov 2, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You seem reasonable.
So I will ask you a question. Why are Twins fans (I like the Twins and root for them) and Vikings fans different in their fanbase? I find it is easier to get along with the Twins folks than it is Vikings. I understand there isn’t that rivalry anymore, but even when I had a bunch of friends over to Miller Park…they and the other Twins folks were beyond friendly and courteous.
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by Bush League All Star on Nov 2, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would think it's a rivalry thing
There may be a border battle thing going on between the Brewers and the Twins but the rivalry isn’t as intense as it would be if they were in the same division (Or even league). That’s my only guess, that being said even with the Twins arguably biggest rival, the White Sox there doesn’t seem to be a lot of animosity between the fans and at games I’ve been to Twins fans were usually pretty respectful to the Sox fans.
by Charlie Kelly on Nov 2, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Then again
Cubs and Sox fans hate each other, but the teams hardly ever play each other. I think it’s the number of games that makes football rivalries a little more intense.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Nov 3, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Twins fans are in general, pretty fun people.
Though I may be a bit biased. :)
Ask a White Sox fan if they agree with that sentiment, however, and I think you’ll find a completely different perspective. It’s a rivalry thing. Twins and Brewers don’t have much of a rivalry, but the Twins and White Sox do-big time. Sox fans tend to get pretty obnoxious (at least, the ones I’ve encountered). :\
by fischean on Nov 2, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not sure...
Good question. I’ve run into some pretty rough situations in Metrodome during Viking games but never during Twins games. My family (brewer fans) came to watch the Brewers here earlier this year and not a peep was made to them during the game. I’ve literally had stuff thrown at me wearing Packer clothes at a Viking game and I am not a trash talker (at games at least haha)
by TrevorR on Nov 2, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's football fans in general, league wide.
vikings and white sox fans here. because football has so few games, and a HUGE week in between one and the next, people trash talk. and they love it. Its one of the big draws of the NFL that it easy to live and die with every game. in a typical white sox/twins series, one team will still win one of the games. but packers getting swept by the vikings, is over 10% of the season, the equivalent of losing 20 games in a baseball season. This raises the passion on both sides. also, theres way more nerd fans of baseball teams, and they tend to be more mild/ understand the variance of such things/ realize its grown men playing a game. passions just run much higher during an NFL season because every little thing matters much more. 2-0 in a season means much more than 11-7 or what not.
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by boyonthedock on Nov 2, 2009 5:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can see what you're saying
but teams like the Red Sox and Yankees have arguably as bitter of a rivalry as any football team.
by Charlie Kelly on Nov 2, 2009 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN puts the same ridiculous import to all their games
sox/cubs can get that way too, but in that instance its a semi small sample of only 6 games. media fuels fan passion because it makes the product they are broadcasting more ‘essential’ and can’t miss tv.
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by boyonthedock on Nov 2, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would say it has much to do with the fact that Baseball and Football attract different bases.
There are plenty of crossover fans, but football fans tend to be more aggressive and rowdy simply because of the nature of football.
The violence attracts idiots, whereas in baseball it is much more “civilized”.
by Bjorno on Nov 3, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Johnny Flynn < Brandon Jennings
"Brandon Jennings needs a nickname before he gives himself one. Oh wait, Young Money, he already did."
by Mitchell_M on Nov 2, 2009 5:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and Mitchell's man-crush on Brandon Jennings makes another appearance
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Nov 2, 2009 6:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not hating
cause I actually wanted Jennings if we didn’t get Flynn, but there’s no comparison Flynn >> Jennings
But to answer everyone’s question in a very late and untimely manner, baseball and football are completely different sports. It’s easier to be a fair weather football fans (which cause a lot of the rivalry friction since they spew ignorance of not knowing the game, which gets sooo frustrating) because there are less games and in my opinion, there’s a lot more thinking and having to pay attention in baseball. Baseball has thousands of intricacies going on every pitch before/during/after that no other sport has, but if you aren’t a die hard, the game is boring. Football is exciting, fast, and easy to follow… so I think that adds to everything
by uofmike on Nov 8, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What's wrong with redneck country bumkins?
I love the country and I’m a city boy!
by KC612 on Nov 3, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You should have seen the thread over at Viva El Birdos after Matt Holiday dropped the pop fly.
Every other word was f***, s***, or some other bad word.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 2, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As a Cubs fan, I do not like the Cardinals.
But the thread I am referring to is this one. (NSFW!!!!)
Ready 4 Revenge against The Traitor!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 2, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh, I am a Brewer fan.
Looking to buy: General Manager Deputy Badge
by Bush League All Star on Nov 2, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OMG FAIL REPLY
(con’t) But I do spend a lot of time in St. Louis. The Cardinal bloggers are way different from the actual Cardinals fans. They have gone down that road before!
I just feel bad for the Rams fans I meet, some are pretty serious, but most just don’t even care anymore.
Looking to buy: General Manager Deputy Badge
by Bush League All Star on Nov 2, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just one thing:
“It’s not surprised they allowed a big run right after the deflating FG miss. Too bad it happened and ruined a great statistical game by the run defense, who held Peterson to only 53 yards on his other 24 carries.”
Umm, that wasn’t a running play you highlighted there and wasn’t part of Peterson’s running stats.
by Migrant lurker on Nov 2, 2009 9:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I think you are referring to Peterson’s 44 yard screen play reception.
Besides, every week Peterson has “poor stats” after you subtract his huge plays. It is a result of how other teams play him. It is the one still missing piece to the Vikings puzzle. A consistent grinding type of run game. They seem to get zero or thirty when they run. It actually hurts them.
by Sand0 on Nov 2, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed.
Taking out a big run to comment on a players stats is weak sauce. The run was part of the game. If he didn’t break that one who’s to say he wouldn’t have gotten those yards in shorter amounts on that same drive. The yards happened he had a nice game, move on. Most of the top backs would have less impressive numbers if you took out their best run or two: Gore, Jackson, MJD, etc. That is why you pay them the big bucks…for game breaking plays.
by TrevorR on Nov 2, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was just commenting on a factual error.
They play he was referring to was a passing play (and was referenced as a passing play) and he commented on it as if it was a run play. That’s all. I wasn’t trying to comment on how big plays affect a players stats, just the mis-attribution of a pass play as a run play.
by Migrant lurker on Nov 2, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
shocked
that AR played so horrible. 1st 3 sacks or so were all his fault. Even MM asked him why he didn’t run for 5 yards on 3rd and 5. Stupid. He has always been very level headed and calm, but he was a mess in that first half.
He was timid, unsure, indecisive, etc. and had plenty of time to throw the ball in the 1st half. Favre was releasing the ball in 2 to 3 seconds.
MM, great job calling plays you moron, 12 run plays all game, Grant had 10.
and then Favre, “just one of 16”, the guy is a joke. Just be honest for once dude, don’t minimize this game. That is why you got booed. You have been kicking dirt in the faces of GB fans for the past 2 years. How you are handling your revenge on TT is slapping GB fans in the face. Fine go play for them, but this wasn’t “one of 16”, give the game and fans some respect. And then you cry like a f-ing baby after the game and act like you just won the SB. What a coward. That is just proof that he still lies about not wanting revenge.
Seriously, I would have been fine if all week he was like, “this is huge, I really want to win this game, I am very nervous, I am sad the fans don’t like me, etc.” and then wins and is excited. Just stop the lies Favre.
Vikings are a very good team. I still think Childress is not a very good coach, and if a team can protect the QB for more than a few seconds and a QB can make a decision faster then 8 seconds (i.e. Rodgers) they will have some problems. At this point I would put money on NO beating them.
Packers should still have a shot at WC, but not good when one of your top D players is openly complaining (Jenkins ripped into Capers today as well).
by Acme on Nov 2, 2009 9:57 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I liked one comparison I read here last night
that MM’s regime is starting to resemble the Rhodes administration in it’s lack of cohesiveness and discipline, as best exemplified by mental lapses on the field and open criticism by starting players off the field.
And I completely agree with your categorisation of AR in the first half. That little dance he did on 3rd and 5 and getting sacked rather than just taking off (like he did to great effect later in the game when it was too little, too late) was the beginning of the end.
“Timid” is exactly the right descriptive.
by 400metres on Nov 2, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, God
please don’t evoke the name of Ray Rhodes.
"Brandon Jennings needs a nickname before he gives himself one. Oh wait, Young Money, he already did."
by Mitchell_M on Nov 2, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You know . . . .
We could have had Andy Reid.
by ktenreb on Nov 2, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We could have also had Sean Payton instead of MM
And we just missed the boat on Gregg Williams, who would’ve kept the 4-3 defense intact.
SIGH
by vitaminx on Nov 2, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Holmgren will be looking for another team
or Cowher perhaps. All I know is we need a coach who brings intensity and discipline as this team seems to be sorely missing on both accounts.
by Charlie Kelly on Nov 2, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about either move
I can’t stand seeing Cowher winning another ring (guy irritates the hell out of me and is really overrated as a coach) and bringing back Holmgren smacks of the same desperation that Danny Snyder had with bringing in Joe Gibbs.
I don’t like bringing back coaches that have retired, because there’s virtually no guarantee they’ll stick around for the long haul. MM is an undisciplined coach and his team reflects that sure, but I like him even if he’s made some bad decisions with this squad. Shanahan would be a better fit in my opinion if they did want to replace MM, or maybe even a young offensive mastermind like Gruden who was shackled with awful talent in Tampa Bay after Dungy’s players got out.
by vitaminx on Nov 2, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Shannahan would be interesting since the Packers already employ HIS zone blocking system. Maybe he could make that Oline work.
by TrevorR on Nov 2, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A bit over-board I think...
That post was a bit over-board, I think. I don’t think Favre did or planned anything as horrible as you make him out to be. What’s he supposed to say, that’s it’s the most important game in the world? That would just as badly affect people’s opinion too about him. It’s a no-win scenario when you leave your team for a rival. Just a tough situation. And it’s certainly not helped by angry rabid fans, I suppose, either. :(
And for the record, the things that you hoped he would say, Acme, he DID say in both his pre-game and post-game (in particular) interviews. I think you’re probably just too upset about the loss to really see that now (and who could blame you, I’d be upset and cranky, too, if we’d have lost). :(
by Wytefang on Nov 2, 2009 6:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are there any moderate Vikings fans left?
It seems the only ones who come here are complaining about how bad Packers fans are because we booed Brett Favre.
I hate to break it to you, but you booed him for 16 years. And now, it’s not okay for us to boo him once? I could say several more things about this, but I’m going to choose not to do so in case there actually are any moderate Vikings fans.
Ready 4 Revenge against The Traitor!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 2, 2009 10:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I can understand the booing.
I really can. He’s your rival now, etc etc. But I think many, many Vikings fans (myself included) only disliked Favre because he was so damn good. I have always liked him, but I think the whole splitting from GB thing turned into a bigger mess than it needed to be.
There are, I’m sure, parts of the story no one knows aside from Thompson or Favre, and it will probably stay that way. It’s just unfortunate to me that he was treated the way he was by Packer fans. And no, I’m not talking about the booing. I’m talking about the ‘funeral’ for him, the flip flop day, renaming roads, etc. I know some of you feel slighted by him, or feel that he acted out of spite (and maybe he did a bit), but again, I doubt anyone here knows the whole story. :\
I believe the Packers are a decent team, and when you can protect Rodgers a little more, a good team. You’re obviously much better off with the young QB that has a ton of potential than we are with the 40 year old QB who’s prone to injury. The next few years for your team will be promising, while we’ll be scrambling to find someone to fill the starter position solidly. For now, we’re on top, but that can easily change in the second half of the season. I’m not counting the Packers (or the Bears, really) out quite yet, and I think any sane Vikings fan shouldn’t either.
Anyway, all of that for this: here’s to a game well played (eventually :). I always enjoy the rivalry between our teams…border battles are good fun!
by fischean on Nov 2, 2009 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
using that logic...
wouldn’t the Viking fans have to continue booing him if we have to continue cheering him?
by TrevorR on Nov 2, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would boo him as well, if I were a Packer fan.
But part of the issue is why most of the people boo him. There is a large portion of the fan base who act like he killed their dog, when in reality he did what anyone in his position would do.
A 12 million dollar offer from a team that is a quarterback away from making a solid run at the Super Bowl? I don’t even have to carry the team? Adrian Peterson?
How could he not take the offer? He is a winner. He loves to win, which is exactly the reason why he was so good. He put every single ounce of his being into winning for your team, and now that he is doing it for another team is hard.
I would boo him, were I a fan. But soon after I would completely forget about the “betrayal” and remember the years of greatness he provided for my team.
by Bjorno on Nov 2, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t blame for taking the offer. I have anger about how it got to that point. But once he was an FA and he had a team BEGGING him to come play and willing to give him, at age 40, $12 mill a year…WOW…yeah you take that. What you described though is exactly how I feel. I am most certainly not going to cheer for him as a Viking though…never…never ever.
by TrevorR on Nov 2, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're making it sound as if
Favre was just chilling out, being retired, and the Vikings came along offering him $12m, begging him to please, please play with Adrian Peterson and Percy Harvin, and Favre had no choice but to go, “Wulp, I was enjoying retirement, but I suppose …”
Are you kidding me? Favre was talking to the Vikings before he even came out of retirement the first time. If the Packers would have let him out of his contract, he would’ve signed with the Vikes the next day. Favre may have technically received the offer, but make no mistake — he was the one engineering his move to the Packers’ biggest rival, beginning to end.
That’s a big part of why I’m booing him.
by Cheeseandcorn on Nov 2, 2009 8:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you kidding me? Favre was talking to the Vikings before he even came out of retirement the first time. If the Packers would have let him out of his contract, he would’ve signed with the Vikes the next day.
And you are basing this claim upon what evidence? Hearsay?
Is it because you heard that Chilly talked to Favre on the phone?
I keep hearing this, and maybe I am not privy to information that the Packers fans are, but as far as I know Favre was willing to come back to the Packers, he simply couldn’t make the decision in enough time for the Packers to prepare for the upcoming season.
Show me solid evidence that Favre was amping up to become a Viking before he retired from the Packers, and then I will understand where you are coming from.
But to hate a guy based on rumors, is just plain silly. I thought this was America?
by Bjorno on Nov 3, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
First of all, I think you’re confused. I said he talked to Vikings before he came out of retirement the first time, not “before he retired.”
Second, this is not just some sort of unfounded rumor. The Packers filed a tampering charge against the Vikings because Favre was talking to Bevell.
Now, the Vikings never got punished for it, because, IIRC, they couldn’t prove that Favre and Bevell were talking about him coming back to play for the Vikings. But come on. Does anyone actually believe that during the summer of 2008, while Favre was already telling journalists he wanted to play for the Vikings, he and Darrell Bevell were only talking about hunting?
So yes, this is definitely more than rumors.
by Cheeseandcorn on Nov 3, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, sorry I misread that part.
Yes, I remember the Tampering Charge. I also remember the league investigating and finding no basis for the charge.
You think it is out of the ordinary that Favre was keeping in contact with his old quarterbacks coach?
Your premise is weak at best.
At that point of the year, it was already decided that Favre wasn’t coming back to the Pack. Who else would he want to play for?
by Bjorno on Nov 3, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I don’t think it’s out of the ordinary that Favre would have been keeping up with Bevell. But I also think that if anyone actually believes their conversations stuck to non-comeback topics, I have a wonderful timeshare in Florida I’d like to sell them.
I’m guessing that the NFL dropped it because both Favre and Bevell told them they didn’t talk about football, and the NFL knew that without either of the two admitting it (and they both had a strong motivation not to), they couldn’t prove anything. (So no, we have no proof, but this isn’t a court of law—all we need is common sense.)
And you’re right that at that point in the year, Favre knew that if he approached the Packers, they’d tell him, ’We’ve moved on.’ But first, he was still under contract with the Packers, so any communication with the Vikes was tampering.
And second, he turned (according to Peter King’s article) immediately to the Packers’ two biggest rivals. I realize there were practical reasons to jump to either of those teams, but surely you can understand why Packers fans might see Favre’s illegally talking about coming back with the Packers’ biggest rivals just a few months after retiring as being pretty cold-blooded.
by Cheeseandcorn on Nov 3, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, well we agree that Favre talking to Bevell is not out of the ordinary.
So you are basing your entire argument upon an assumption that Favre discussed him coming to Minnesota AFTER Green Bay decided that they didn’t want Favre back. I am still failing to see the real problem here.
Now, I have no doubt that once the Packers said “No Brett, we don’t want you back and we want to pay you to keep your mouth shut and play nice.” that the initial reaction from him was “Those fuckers, I’ll show them.” which is a standard reaction to that type of thing.
But to say that he was engineering a way to come to Minnesota from the get-go based on a unfounded tampering charge and a phone call between him and an old colleague is jumping too far ahead.
Yes, I am on the other side of this argument, and I can see your side. I just think emotion is playing more into this problem than logic.
by Bjorno on Nov 3, 2009 10:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But come on
While it isn’t out of the ordinary for them to talk, it also isn’t to much of a long shot (if one at all) to assumed they talked about him playing for the Vikes. Especially considering that while that was happening Favre was telling the media that he wanted to play within the NFC North.
by packallday555 on Nov 4, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And it's just a total coincidence
that he did end up going to the team he was talking to a year later, right?
by vitaminx on Nov 3, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure.
The Vikings or the Bears were the logical choice at that point. Both play similar styles of offense and both are in a division that Brett is VERY familiar with.
Likely it was not a coincidence, but if you are into convicting a person of treason based on circumstantial evidence, I pray I am never in court with you as a juror.
by Bjorno on Nov 3, 2009 10:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
a week ago, i just felt wrong inside
I realized it was because favre is playing for my vikings. it burns, but the victories are making it better. Boo who you want, I’m just glad as a white sox fan frank thomas, joe crede, and pretty much any other good player that left the sox (crede for minnesota!) gets cheered upon their return. but i can see how favre jerking you around would piss you off, but rodgers is awesome, and it seemed to be the right move, so i would probably ok with it.
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Nov 2, 2009 6:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Congratulations from a life long Minnesota fan.
I for one would like to congratulate you on a game well played yesterday. I felt that you proved your spirit and guts by almost coming back. I also feel that A Rogers did a very good job considering that your offensive line was so porous. I feel that you do have a QB for the future there and with a better O line he will be very hard to beat.
With regard to the trash talk, I think that there are idiots on both sides who like to run their mouths off. However a true fan knows when they have faced a worthy opponent and I have a lot of respect for Green Bay for the way they played. I really did think at one point you were going to take the game from us.
Good luck in the hunt for the playoff race guys, it’s not over yet!
by karl c on Nov 2, 2009 11:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks!
for not being a jag like some of your viking buddies. It was a good game but the Viking clearly played the better game. They were better on both sides of the ball for basically the entire game, minus a 10 minute or so stretch. Its hard to say that but its true.
by TrevorR on Nov 2, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was worried myself.
Hey, in 2 or 3 years the Pack will be right back where they belong. Competing for last place in the division.
Kidding.
In 2-3 years, I will be VERY worried about the Pack.
by Bjorno on Nov 2, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, in 2 or 3 years the Pack will be right back where they belong. Competing for last place in the division.
C’mon, we all know who’s gonna be there.
Chicago.
"Brandon Jennings needs a nickname before he gives himself one. Oh wait, Young Money, he already did."
by Mitchell_M on Nov 2, 2009 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
actually I would not be suprised at all
living in Chicago I read about them everyday in the newspaper, and there is SO much I could tell you about their moves and what it means for the team.
But basically, (an oversimplified analysis) they’re a bunch of phonies, pretending to be a running team while investing everything in a passing game and pretending to be a run stopping team while investing everything in the secondary
and hopefully Detroit finally makes it out of last place, I feel bad for the fans over there
Kind of a shame the Rockies aren't around to win it for Balloon Boy
-billyok
by blackoutsox on Nov 2, 2009 7:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Same.
It would suck to be a team that goes 0-16, especially when the team is better than that.
The Lions will be nipping at the heels, but I think they are still 3-4 years out.
by Bjorno on Nov 3, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Chicago is going to be there as well, so long as they can figure out what the hell to do with their defense.
Cutler will develop into a solid QB for the Bears, unless he implodes beforehand.
by Bjorno on Nov 3, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As usual...
A good game between the Pack and the Vikes that could have gone either way.
I thought our 2 turnovers would have been the difference for the Pack, but the momentum didn’t really shift in your direction, for good…
Now we can both focus on beating the Bears!
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Nov 2, 2009 12:42 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
This goes out to AZVikingsFan as well as karl c and fischean:
Thanks for being classy in victory. It does make the sting of yesterday’s game a little less painful when the other team’s fans aren’t complete assholes.
by 400metres on Nov 2, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
refreshing
A couple Viking fans with class and character. Thanks!
by TrevorR on Nov 2, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's just sad that it has to come to this.
i’ll admit, i get a nice bit of schadenfraede reading sky is falling comments on this blog, but i don’t understand the appeal of saying ’you’Re team sucks! youR just JEALOUS cuz FARVE is OURS now! go cry!’ maybe with co-workers or freidns, but i can see even less of point in doing it on an internet message board. I’m sad that the mere absence of this is cause for applause. I’m glad some DN people can come and show that’s not exactly the norm, and hopefully we can make such praise less necessary as civility becomes the norm.
that said, I still really like it when the vikings beat the packers.
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Nov 2, 2009 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
mehh
I am usually an optimistic person on this site. But yesterdays game left me with me limited things to happy with. The first half was probably the worst football I have seen the Packers play. 47 total yards of O! Are you kidding me? Some of that has to go to MM’s play calling while the other half of the blame goes to the OL and AR. More on AR than the OL on this one too. Many of those first half sacks were avoidable. He has some speed and needs to be using his legs more often early instead of just looking for the big play.
And once again stupid penalties!!! I believe it was Jolly with the head butt PF on the Vikes first drive. You just held them on 3rd down and would be forcing them to kick a FG, but no you commit a mental break down and give them an automatic first down and goal.And of course they get 7. Something has to be done. Jolly is a big part of our D so I dont know if i would like him to be benched; however, I think fines should be handed out by the team. If Mangini can fine someone $1500 for a $3 bottle of water I am sure MM can fine his players for on field breakdowns. The worst part of these penalties is the veterans are committing them. So for me the youngest team in the NFL excuse doesnt work for undisciplined team.
The second half was much better than the first half for the O. AR finally decided he can run! And then the passing game opened up tremendously. It was good comeback attempt, but to fully comeback you need all of your team to be ready to step up. ST what was wrong with the squib kick? You held them in check until you are within 4 points and have all the MO and then lose it all when you kick to Harvin and he has a big return. Then the missed FG! What is with Crosby? His rookie year he seemed like he never missed the past 2 years seem like he misses everything. It was a far kick(51 yards) but he had/ has plenty of leg for that kick and many others!
The D.. surprising as it may sound after giving up 4 passing tds I think played well. Although they once again failed to sack Favre they had pressure at times. In the first half they fell victims to there own struggling O and ST that gave them short fields to work against. They held AP in check for the most part. The screen pass late was simply the Vikes called the right play against the D. Being in man to man they took complete advantage of it.
I have to give credit to the Vikes they played a good football game. However I would be worried about my SB run if I were a Viking fan. No no not about Brett but about your D. 24-3 lead and they let the Pack back into it. Now the samething happened with that unit 2 weeks ago with the Ravens. You were able to win both of them, but that would worry me a bit when playoff time comes. I dont know if they are just burning out in the second half or the other team is making adjustments. Either way I would feel something needs to happen when you have some high octane Os (NO primarily, but at times Phily and all of a sudden Dallas again) to go through before getting what every fan wants a SB title..
by bizzle4 on Nov 2, 2009 1:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You are totally right, Bizzle4 about my Viking’s shortcomings. We have to fix that issue with letting teams back into the game. It’s an awfully dangerous trait for any football team with SB aspirations to be stuck with. :(
by Wytefang on Nov 2, 2009 5:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I havent watched every game
but I have seen a few Vikes games. Do you think your D just gets tired, more conservative D or the other teams make adjustments that well?
by bizzle4 on Nov 2, 2009 10:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this will be a good, not great year for the pack
can beat the shit teams of the league and handle the middle of the pack (bears), but can at least hang with the upper tier (vikings, bengals). probably a 8-10 win season, and maybe the playoffs, but not much more. with some o-line help, more experience in the defensive scheme, this team has potential for next year. best of luck now that the vikes don’t gotta see the pack any more.
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Nov 2, 2009 6:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
other side
The first half you guys were horrible, but I thought you really got your act together in the second. AR was making really nice quick throws and we started falling apart. I really think that BF held us together otherwise it could have been a great comeback. Your O line sux…and it needs fixing but other than that it seems workable. I have been a V fan for 40 yrs and other than our ’98 team this is one of the few times I have hope. I must say I think BF is 70% of our success so far, and always hated him but respected him and loved to watch him play when he was on your team.
by VikeMike on Nov 2, 2009 1:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
one more thing
I do agree with many of your fans that TT and MM have to go. They are ruining your team.
by VikeMike on Nov 2, 2009 1:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good game Pack.
I admire A-Rods grittiness. He was getting hit and hobbled all game and still came back to keep the game interesting. I think getting Clifton and Tauscher back will help you guys A LOT. You were a very worthy opponent and your fans are some of the best. Their were some very classy comments left from some of you over on the DN. Maybe we’ll see you guys again later in the year.
by KC612 on Nov 2, 2009 2:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
A few reflections from a Vikings fan...
What a crazy game yesterday! I was happy that my Vikings completed the sweep and I’ll admit that I felt we should have won (I consider us to have a very good team this year, that’s why). That being said, hats off to the Packers who played really hard and made a game of it in the end.
I think that the O-line problems and the penalties along with not really having a strong RB (or at least having one who is consistent and lives up to his potential) and having a secondary that, much like my Vikings, occasionally makes big mistakes, is what’s ailing them. No team is problem-free but the Packers have a lot to be excited about – a killer, KILLER QB in Rodgers who will be around for years to come, sure to torment us in the future (LOL) and a great receiving corps. You also have some great defenders but as many predicted, perhaps this 3-4 will take a while to properly understand and master for the Packers. Who knows?
I thought Favre was excellent (as I anticipated) and Harvin was the difference-maker he was drafted to be. I also thought that Adrian Peterson came to life on all of our most important plays – particularly the 44+ yard screen pass at the end of the game that allowed us to get the Berrian TD. The sacks really got to Rodgers towards the end, he seemed a bit out-of-sorts in the final quarter after that great 3rd Quarter.
I was reading some of the posts in here griping about Viking fans as poor sports and I know I’ve made the same claims about Packer fans, too. I suppose the reality is that when your team loses, most fans are going to be angry, going to say things they may (or may not, LOL) regret later. We have a tough, fierce rivalry but sometimes I get tired of it (if I’m being honest with myself). When these rivalries get too ugly, they stop being interesting or dramatic, imho, and just become sad.
I’m making an effort to be less hateful and just relax more with this rivalry and hopefully Packer fans can remember that it’s just a game, also, in the future.
Great game to the Packers, though I was glad that we were able to sneak out a victory in Lambeau and as a Viking fan, I’m excited about our team this year. :D
by Wytefang on Nov 2, 2009 5:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
AR great /Fanbases
First, in this series Aaron Rodgers played pretty damn good. The rest of the Packers however…there are some areas in need of improvement.
Both teams have great fanbases. I don’t like people calling me a “bandwagon” fan so I don’t call out other fans.
Good luck versus Tampa!
by CrazyCollegian on Nov 2, 2009 7:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Die Hard Vikes Fan Here
Fans all pre-season from both sides have been slamming each other. Frankly, I am never to be one. However, I do love speaking statistically and debating in an analyst style.
From all the years BF played MN, I’ve cursed his name many O’ time, however, could never downplay the man. I remember John Randle driving him into the ground, and Favre getting up slapping Randle on the helmet and smiling all fired up. Respect, respect, respect.
With that being said, your guy A. Rod, reminds me of him, taking the huge hit, and getting right up and running to the line. Respect. It’s unfortunate that we all judge him as a replacement to #4, and compare. He is a great QB. And at least you will have him for a very long time. Our guy is here for one, maybe two.
The game yesterday, unlike the score shows, was much closer than most believe. If I could show you what is left, if any, of fingernail on my hands, it’s proof.
Vikes- Pack games are always entertaining. Take out you know who, and it still would be. That’s rivalry. That’s why we watch. And the bench ball we all play is fun too, but it sometimes gets tiresome. Weather its ACME PC or Daily N, the " we are going to kick your A$$" mentality is old.
In a time where a number 32 team can beat a #1 team (unlikely, but possible) how could we possibly predict what will happen between the lines on a Sunday between two closely matched teams?
We watch these games, because we are fans of the game. You might have a favorite player, but they come and go. Its the game, the gridiron, the chess match, camaraderie, tailgating, the Autumn leaves, family outings, teaching the boy the rules of the game.
Let’s not forget why we’re here in the first place. Root for your team. Hope the best for all. And most of all hope for Sunday entertainment at it’s best. Win or loose. (wow I sound like my Dad)
That’s what I got from Sunday.
Good Luck pack-fan, hope we can meet in the post season, World War III?
STFU IF YOUR POINT IS NOT VALID, AND IF IT AIN'T MY POINT, IT AIN'T VALID.
by DAKATT on Nov 2, 2009 11:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Definitely agree with you about the "we'll beat your..." sentiment.
I tried speaking against that here.
I have tried guessing the winners of every NFL game, but since my perfect week (which included Favre vs. GB, round I), I have not done well at all picking games.
I am German by ancestry. On November 9, I will be joining my fellow Germans in celebrating the 20th anniversary of Die Mauerfall. I have been to Berlin, seen what remains of the Wall, and seen the line where the Wall once divided the city.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 3, 2009 1:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Question for reasonable packer fans on this blog
What’s with the whole “bad brett” argument? A lot of other packer fans had been clutching this excuse that “Brett would have a terrible game and return to his old ways eventually”. I can understand speculation before the season, or even just a couple games into the season, but we just finished Week 8, and Brett has shown so far no “bad brett” games and is obviously playing a more careful approach on a team that isn’t as reliant upon his passing every down and winning a shootout.
Can some packer fans explain this to me? I’d probably ditch the bad brett argument after week 4 or 5…
by cdubs on Nov 3, 2009 1:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
As a Packer fan
I’m guessing it’s coming from the fact that we’ve been so used to seeing him melt down at the worst possible times this decade that we assume it’s going to happen again.
That and a combination of wishful thinking and jealousy that he’s finally decided to “play within himself” and not make occasional boneheaded decisions now that he’s joined the Packers’ archrival.
by Cheeseandcorn on Nov 3, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the bad brett....
I can honestly say I have never used that as an argument. However, I could give assumptions why people may still be saying it. Now I will remind you these are just assumptions so there will also be ifs, ands, and buts… So yes none of these things have happened but they could have and its just an explanation of why some might still use this title. So no one debate me that some of these things didnt happen! I am not saying they did just using present examples against the past Brett. Now that I am clear..
The Vikings haven’t needed Brett to make those last minute drives too often this season. The 49ers game worked for him. Growing up watching Brett I have seen him make that play at times and have also seen where that same play he would completely miss the throw and just be throwing into triple coverage and get picked off. The other theory for the argument is people are all of a sudden afraid to bash Brett. When he was a Packer mistakes no matter whose fault went on him. The Steelers game all the blame went to Taylor. Was it a catchable ball yeah but wasn’t the best ball either. And the fumble that should have sealed the deal without Harvin. But the blame just went on to Taylor for the drop
by bizzle4 on Nov 3, 2009 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Vikings haven’t needed Brett to make those last minute drives too often this season
Say WHAT?
by puddnhead on Nov 3, 2009 11:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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