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The Great Favre Debate.

First, I have to let you know that I am visiting this site from Silver and Black Pride. I got tired of writing about the crappy team I root for and wanted to write about something that is relevant. I envy your team, as it has something newsworthy that doesn't revolve around its head coach allegedly smacking bitches and hitting women.

 

“You just don’t turn your back on 16 years of greatness,” according to Vikings defensive end Jared Allen.

One thing I know after Sunday, November One is: Jared Allen is absolutely correct.

No one turns their back on 16 years of greatness—they use it to tear them apart; use it to fixate on the past while focusing the frustration of it’s passing into the form of one person.

It is romanticized. While lamenting the agony of it’s now intangible reality it can create a chasm or straddle the divide and holding a dual existence—occupying both the love and hate areas of the brain and heart.

In other words, we do not turn our back on prolonged periods of greatness, we just use it to severely fuck ourselves in the head. It is the kind of fodder that makes therapists rich. It originates from the source that fuels the middle age purchasing of sports cars and allows young girls to fulfill daddy fantasies.

Everyone has his or her own way to deal with the passing of something and this is only magnified whenever this process comes into existence in a less than ideal way.

To see the reality of this theory, one needs to look no further than the Packer faithful, which I am counting, roughly, as the entire state of Wisconsin.

The sight of their one true love donning and sharing the company with their most hated rival tore fans. It became apparent before the game started, however, which side of the spectrum the majority of the Cheeseheads landed on.

Favre ran onto a field, that according to one sign held by a fan is “the field that Favre built,” during pre-game introductions to a deafening chorus of boos.

The heights of ecstasy leave people vulnerable to the inevitable drop off. It can be hard to see a former love thriving and embracing the love of a bitter rival. Just ask Packer fans:

"He was," Packer fan Jo Sedar said, "one of us."

"It's like going into church on Sunday and the priest says, 'Everybody go home. Jesus has now sided with the devil,'" said Tom Fields.

On Sunday T-shirts at Lambeau carrying messages ranging from "Traitor" to "Judas" to "Drama Queen" to “We’ll never forget you BRENT,” were seen throughout the stadium.

While these feelings encapsulated the feelings of the majority in attendance, it certainly wasn’t the only way they felt. Packer fans were on both sides of the spectrum and everywhere in between.

"I'm having mixed emotions," said Robert Barranco, while dressed in a green Favre jersey.

His wife, Martha, was wearing the purple edition and was just as torn as Robert. "I'm a die-hard Packers fan, but I also want him to do well."

Also popular were half Minnesota-half Green Bay jerseys, while some fans wore Favre's Vikings jersey underneath Packers jackets.

Then there were the fans that were there to profess their love for Brett.

There were signs throughout the stadium ranging from, "Thanks 4 the Memories” to “Lambeau is Brett's Field."

It is obvious that whatever it is that some people have, which inspires people to say they have “it,” Favre has in spades. You are hard pressed to find a person who does not have an opinion on him one way or the other.

As Brett Favre has spent his offseasons plucking petals off flowers while saying, “retire me—retire me not” each petal plucked was reported ad nauseum. It got to the point that there were days in the sport’s world where the lead story was the fact that the Brett Favre story was getting too much coverage.

“Is Farve coming back, or isn’t he” would be the opening refrain of many stories and they would continue, “no one knows and it is this reporter’s opinion that the thoughts and time spent on a washed up QB waffling about his future are a waste of time. This is the story that won’t die. Stay tuned, as this is the first segment of a 908 installment piece on this worthless obsession with Brett Favre.”

This kind of thought process has followed Favre into the season as hours before the game there was a plane flying overhead pulling a sign that read “Retire 4 Good”. Maybe one reading “So I can stop caring” should have followed it.

Of course ultimately Packer fans should have followed that sign with one that read “Please,” because they seemed to wake the sleeping giant.

Favre got viewings and earfuls of all the varying feelings he inspired. "Cheers, a couple fingers. Some people, not exactly mooning ..." Favre said. "That part was a little weird."

Favre let his game show fans while they should never expose their ass to a legend.

After twisting Packers fans minds towards therapy with his retirement tangos, team hopping and rival embracing existence, Favre gave the entire state of Wisconsin the Kobe treatment, and by Kobe treatment I mean asshole tearing and by asshole tearing I mean what A-Rod does do Derek Jeter every night in his dreams and by that I mean look at this.

While the game went on it became apparent that Farve was out for blood. As any ultra-competitive person would, he used his scorn to help fuel his desire. Farve was hugging teammates and raising a finger (the index) after touchdowns.

There were plenty of touchdowns. Four of his 17 completions were for touchdowns and while the Packers mounted a late comeback to make things semi interesting, Favre made sure this game stayed on ice with a late fourth quarter touchdown pass.

Favre was having so much fun carving up the Packers defense I expected him to fake the victory kneel and bomb it to a wide open streaking Viking receiver for a fifth touchdown as time expired. Then run off the field with his middle fingers flying asking the boo birds and the Packer brass if they brought enough lube.

This did not happen; however, as Favre is a serial flip flopper. He cannot even decide if he wants to enhance Packer fans memories of him or distance himself from that legacy.

Ever the politician, Farve encrypted the real meaning in his post game comments in sports talk. Don’t worry I have brought the staff translator to decode the hidden messages.

"I had mixed emotions coming in, because I know how special these fans are," Favre said.

Translation: I love the fans, but I hate the fat, stupid decision makers that wouldn’t know greatness if it slapped them in the face.

"But I also know the Packer fans are what makes this organization so special, unique, and that will never change. How could you not miss that?"

Translation: The fat, stupid decision makers suck. People that love me are cool.

Asked if he was surprised at the reaction, Favre said, "Sure, I would have loved ..." and then paused. "It was about what I expected," he said.

Translation: They’ll forgive me because I made this team. I did more for this team than the fat, stupid decision makers.

"I want to lead this Vikings team to a Super Bowl, believe me, I do. And I will do everything in my power.”

Translation: I am on a quest to prove that I am “The One” and it was wrong for the fat, stupid decision makers in Green Bay to not give me whatever I wanted.

"Although I wasn't expecting a standing ovation, I know what I've done, what I stand for," Favre said. "What I've done here speaks for itself. What I was a part of was awesome. That will never change."

Translation: “I created something totally rad in Green Bay and while the whinny fans are a little bitter now they will remember whose right arm delivered them to the gates of Nirvana when it is all said and done.”

"I was part of some pretty good games here as a Packer. This is pretty high up on the list," Favre said of the win. "It was pretty awesome to be a part of."

Translation: Revenge is like cheese—it makes everything better. I just fed the Cheeseheads cheese. I am really great.

"It was loud, and that's what makes Green Bay such a special place," said Favre,

Translation: I just want to reiterate that in no way is it because of the fat decision makers that the Packers have achieved greatness.

"I've never been one to rub it in anyone's face," Favre said. "The guys I played with as a Packer, I've got a lot of respect for them. As I do for the organization and the fans."

Translation: I am rubbing your faces in it by saying I am not. I won, I won, I won! Sure I’ve got respect for the organization and the fans. They once put cheese on my table.

It became apparent that the results of the, to quote Paul McCartney, “the long and winding road,” of the Farve drama worked out best for the teams and the players involved. Rodgers is a fantastic quarterback and was ready to get his career as a starter underway. While Farve still has game left in his body—game that would not be as apparent behind the Packers struggling offensive line.

It also became apparent that the people who have benefited most by this course of events are the practicing therapists in the state of Wisconsin.

Poll
I feel
Farve is a prima dona traitor. I will never root for him again and I hate root for him to fail.
8 votes
I will never root for or feel good about anyone playing against the Packers, but I am a fan of Farve at other times
21 votes
I can't stand Farve now, but once he retires I may get over it.
8 votes
that you should go back to Silver and Black Pride and stay there.
16 votes

53 votes | Poll has closed

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No more Favre posts, guys.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Nov 2, 2009 5:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Thank God

We haven’t had anyone come here from another blog to tell us what to think about this situation. You came just in time!

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Nov 2, 2009 7:02 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't telling anyone how to feel...

I was commenting on the way people felt and I am honestly curious as to what the sentiment of the fans of this blog was towards Farve. Early results are pointing towards me sucking.

You seem a little irritated. Might I suggest looking at the A-rod pic I have a link for. That should bring a smile to your face.

Only dull people are brilliant at breakfast.

by noontide on Nov 2, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you watch sports on tv at all?

Really, your not tired of Favre coverage yet? And please, it’s Favre. Again, do you ever flip past ESPN?

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Nov 2, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah I get past ESPN.

I watch ESPN 2 as well. Actually, I am a Raider fan so if I only watched ESPN things would seem even more bleak than they are.

Honestly I think the over reporting of Farve was annoying. From the outside looking in though this is one of the few days that the situation deserved the press.

The most compelling angle to me through the whole thing has been people’s reaction to the situation.

Only dull people are brilliant at breakfast.

by noontide on Nov 2, 2009 11:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

wow, that was a great picture

and I do feel bad for you and your zombie owner, so I guess I don’t blame you for writing this, and yeah I don’t like Farve now, but will be a fan again at the HOF

Kind of a shame the Rockies aren't around to win it for Balloon Boy
-billyok

by blackoutsox on Nov 2, 2009 9:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If you are curious about the sentiment here

try reading the site. Its better than rehashing all of this stuff again. And you can’t write a long piece that basically says that you don’t turn your back on 16 years of greatness and then say that you weren’t telling us how to feel. You have to understand that you are probably the 4th person since Sunday to come here from another team to tell us how shameful we are for booing Favre, as if this conversation has never happened before. I have nothing against you personally but if you are curious about the feelings toward Favre here, both positive and negative, then read through the articles and comments. Its all there for you to read without making us go through it all again.

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Nov 3, 2009 8:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I did not want anyone to go through anything again.

I assumed anyone tired of the Favre drama would not read this. Also the only thing I asserted was that people were not turning their back on Favre and not which way they were feeling about him.

I also do not think it was shameful at all to boo him. I do not think in any of the way people reacted was shameful. I have lived in the Seattle area for years now and I am a Mariner fan.

I booed A-rod on his return (hence my A-rod shot in this story) and I would boo Randy Johnson. I would have booed Griffey had he come back in the first few years after his departure, but for many reasons I have come to embrace him again. Feeling towards people like this is often a complex and interesting thing.

I see your point about reading the other posts and comments and I did read some, but I wanted to offer my own take and I had not seen a poll that directly asked the same question as mine.

Only dull people are brilliant at breakfast.

by noontide on Nov 3, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Understandable

If you want to ask us about our switch to the 3-4, why Greg Jennings has been killing your fantasy team, or how come we are giving up so many damn sacks I think we would welcome the discussion. Sorry for striking out at you right away, it’s just that we have had so many people come here to discuss it like its the first time its ever been mentioned, it gets tiring. Between the Packers fans (I think you can see there is a faction that supports both sides here) and Vikings fans we can never seem to escape the topic. Its like having a breakup in the media and CONSTANTLY having to discuss it at every turn. At some point it becomes difficult to move on completely when you are constantly discussing it over and over. Hence the irritation. My apologies again.

And sorry about the Mariners. Do you hang out around Lookout Landing at all? They always seem to have interesting reads over there and I like dropping by to check things out from time to time.

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Nov 3, 2009 5:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey no worries...

I had to expect getting jumped going into another teams site. Especially bringing up Favre.

Lookout landing is the site that got me into all of this. Their baseball coverage is second to none! For anyone that likes baseball I recommend checking it out.

I do have a question for you guys. Do you attribute the sacks more to Rodgers or the O-line?

The Seahawk site Field Gulls was discussing how sacks and completion percentage follow qb’s through their careers.

Only dull people are brilliant at breakfast.

by noontide on Nov 3, 2009 10:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

this game, Rodgers for not running or throwing it away

but most all other games it was on the Oline

FIRE GREG WALKER NOW!!!!!!!!!

by blackoutsox on Nov 3, 2009 10:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I definitely like Lookout Landing. Their writing is really well done. Outside of Brewcrew Ball, it’s probably the baseball blog I check out the most.

As for the sacks, unfortunately we have SO MANY sacks this season that we can split them up almost evenly between ones that the O-line is responsible for and the ones that Rodgers is responsible for. Rodgers needs to be able to know that he can just throw the ball out of bounds when he is running out of time. That sounds like an interesting discussion about sacks and completion percentage. I may have to check it out.

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Nov 4, 2009 8:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was shocked to see how much sacks followed a QB

Here is the link ( http://www.fieldgulls.com/stories/5 ) to the article from field gulls where it came up in a discussion about the Jake Locker’s pro potential and here( http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=4152 ) is a link to the story that about which stats stay the most consistent with QB’s after changing teams.

From watching Rodgers in college, I never liked his body language and he gave me the impression of a QB with talent but not the right attitude. I thought he would be the kind of QB that put up numbers, but never won a playoff game. He has started to change my opinion on that.

What are your thoughts about a long term future of Rodgers?

Only dull people are brilliant at breakfast.

by noontide on Nov 4, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow Charlie now you are moving in on Raiders territory.

I am pretty sure it is clear that slapping the cast of the view is a job for Tom Cable

Only dull people are brilliant at breakfast.

by noontide on Nov 2, 2009 11:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Curious

What have you heard about that whole situation? I heard some stuff on ESPN but as we’ve established I wouldn’t exactly call them the most reliable source out there..

If he did indeed do what he is being accused of and the Raiders or NFL find out it’s the truth do you think he will be let go?

by packallday555 on Nov 3, 2009 1:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you about ESPN

Much like the Hanson story all we are hearing is one side of the story. Also, much like the Hanson story Cable is not talking to the press about it. He did issue a statement saying he has only struck a woman one time and that was when he slapped his ex-wife 20 years ago, after he learned she cheated on him.

If the allegations are proven, I believe the Raiders will let him go. The Raiders will not be eager to prove an ESPN story, however. They issued this press release.

Also much like Hanson the timing of the allegations raises some eyebrows. My guess is that nothing will come out of these new allegations and that Cable needs at least three more wins to come back next year.

Only dull people are brilliant at breakfast.

by noontide on Nov 3, 2009 1:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hmm link did not work...

here is the address for the Raiders statement

Only dull people are brilliant at breakfast.

by noontide on Nov 3, 2009 1:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

It’s a pretty compelling story and I am definitely curious to see how it turns out.

by packallday555 on Nov 3, 2009 11:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

One thing I know after Sunday, November One is: Jared Allen is absolutely correct.

This is where you lost me…..

by packallday555 on Nov 2, 2009 9:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

+1

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Nov 2, 2009 9:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Unless he was talking about drunk driving or quantum mechanics

I don’t see how anything he says could ever be correct

by Charlie Kelly on Nov 2, 2009 9:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

what about roping invisible cattle?

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Nov 3, 2009 8:37 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Hahahahahahahaha

Oh my gosh. I don’t think I could type enough haha’s to make people understand how hard I just laughed and for how long I did.

You are a very funny man my friend.

by packallday555 on Nov 3, 2009 11:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and he must do a terrible job at it too cause the stupid things gets out of it every time

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Nov 4, 2009 6:49 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Haha fair enough

Only dull people are brilliant at breakfast.

by noontide on Nov 2, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The last half of that (the "translation") sounds exactly like what Deion Sanders said Sunday on NFL Network

Did you consciously appropriate his riff?

By the way, for what its worth, there are some Vikings fans who seriously believe that Favre let up on the Packers at the end, only putting the pedal toteh floor whenever it got within one score, not the opposite “go for the jugular” attack that you suggest. I’m not sure I agree with either side, but if I had to pick, I would go with their read, not yours (since its consistent with what actually happened in the scoring column, and what the vikings have done all season).

by puddnhead on Nov 3, 2009 1:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

No I didn't see Deion's take on Sunday,

and now that you have pointed that out I fear for my sanity! The Vikings approach certainly seemed to be grind it out and run down the clock when they had the lead. As it should be.

I don’t necessarily think that is Favre’s approach though or probably ever has been. Although you guys would have a much better perspective on that than I.

Only dull people are brilliant at breakfast.

by noontide on Nov 3, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I Live in MPLS

  And I’ m sick and tired of the Favre BS. It really takes away from watching and enjoying a football game win or lose. My wife is a Viking fan and even she hates him on the team. Then I have to listen to Viking fans that hated him with GB treat him like he played for them 16 years. Then I have to come home and have the Favre drama force fed to me on TV. He was at the beginning, middle, end and after the news. Hopefully this will all go away at the end of the season and we can go on enjoying Packer football once again. I agree can’t we just talk about the Packers and leave the Favre BS for the media.

by cheddarhead on Nov 3, 2009 7:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Quisling, Jane Fonda, Brett Favre

When World War 2 was over nobody forgot what Quisling did, Favre in a Vikings jersey was tantamount to Jane Fonda sitting on an antiaircraft gun in Hanoi. The only reason you don’t hang him is it is only a game.

by daldog on Nov 4, 2009 11:48 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

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