Brief Recap: Green Bay Packers Defeat 49ers, 30-24

You're right about the 49ers run defense being good.

But the Packers gashed them for 158 yards on 32 carries, which is just under 5 YPC.

Ryan Grant had 21 carries for 129 yards, or more than 6 YPC.

But the defense made me very nervous in the second half. Can we not have this kind of performance in the second half of a game again the season?

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 22, 2009 4:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Congrats guys

Even though I’m a Niners fan, I have a hard time rooting against Rodgers. That’s the Cal grad in me and Rodgers was the best quarterback they had in a long time. Good luck the rest of the season.

"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra

by 49er16 on Nov 22, 2009 4:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Thanks.

After the first half, I would imagine many people thought the game was over. But I give the 49ers lots of credit, they hung tough and made a game of it.

Was the Houston game for you guys similar to this game?

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 22, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yep, very similar

"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra

by 49er16 on Nov 22, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, the announcers made references to that game several times this afternoon.

I think, if SF can play well for both halves of the ball game, they will be a much better team. Best of luck to them from here on out.

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 22, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wayne on the WTMJ

did his “dagger” call with 11:05 left in the 4th. The 49ers went on and did work after that.

"You just don't know understand how frustrating this is"- Kevin Borseth

by TkGoUWGB on Nov 22, 2009 6:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Was that when the Packers scored to make it 30-10?

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 22, 2009 7:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wasn't listening but I'm pretty sure it was

Because I said the same thing to my wife. Forgot to knock on wood…

by Danwood on Nov 23, 2009 6:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

As a Packers/Bulls/Big Ten/Cubs fan,

He’s done that more than a couple of times. Especially when he’d do 3 of the 4 in one weekend.

"You just don't know understand how frustrating this is"- Kevin Borseth

by TkGoUWGB on Nov 23, 2009 8:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

As I have a hard time routing against Vernon Davis

maybe thats just the Terp in me. Vernon Davis appears to be turning into what you guys hoped for.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Nov 22, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He has, it’s a shame though the Niners seem to forget him during lapses.

"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra

by 49er16 on Nov 22, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

As a Packers fan in TX

my only real access to decent Packer news is this blog and the Milwaukee JS Packers page. I read as much as I can, but can somebody let me know if the media around the country, specifically in Wisconsin, ever question the play calling of McCarthy? It seems like he passes when he should run, and runs when he should pass a lot of the time..Maybe it’s just me, but I would appreciate it if the media up there would take him to task for it.

The Crawfish Boxes, Astros blogging at its finest.

by Evan Hochschild on Nov 22, 2009 4:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Correct

A lot of us at APC do NOT like MM’s playcalling.

I vote that he gives up the duties and focus’s on being a head coach.

by Acme on Nov 22, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If that happens,

Do you think the Packers will not be quite as conservative in their play-calling in the second half, as they were today?

It seems that in games like this, the Packers get very conservative in the second half if they have a large lead at the half, and, as a result, play not to lose instead of playing to win.

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 22, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I hope

His play calling ate up time, but anytime you slow your team down you are asking for trouble.

I hate playing NOT to lose, defenses should be on their heels all game against us.

by Acme on Nov 22, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

While his play calling did take up a lot of time, he got way too conservative. The 49ers couldn’t stop our passing game at all, and we went away from that in the 2nd half. Hoepfully he learned a lesson today and will benefit from it.

by packallday555 on Nov 22, 2009 11:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Running on passing downs

Is a huge issue for me. As for the opposite, I really, really wish we’d see more play-action on 1st down. AFAIR, we only did that once this week, and it ended up incomplete.

We have a big-play offense – we should act like it more often.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Nov 22, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Good game – Grant and Aaron looked good

by WarWolf on Nov 22, 2009 4:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I think the pass game started to fall apart

after Harris got injured. in MM’s post game conference, he said Al Harris’s injury doesn’t look good. That is terrible. Tramon Williams is good, but losing Harris is just horrible.

Other than that, the last two games our DLIne has been getting pressure on the opposing QB, and that’s good. Cullen is a beast, Raji is starting to come into form.

Man if Kampman and Harris are out for a long time, I am feeling deflated again

by PackFaninFL on Nov 22, 2009 4:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Cheer up

We’re 6-4. Really, we’re not in bad shape. If the Eagles lose tonight, we control our playoff destiny.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Nov 22, 2009 5:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Amazingly enough

Tramon had a pretty decent game today. I was impressed to see #38 as often as I did.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Nov 22, 2009 7:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

Man if Kampman and Harris are out for a long time, I am feeling deflated again

While I understand how you could feel like this, I don’t think having them out will hurt us all that much. Keep in mind Kampman was out last week and Jones (who was a rookie playing and starting in his first game) played very well in his place. Developing him wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing as he seems to have the potential to eventually become a starter.

And while Harris is a good veteran player, I think he is the one guy who has struggled the most with our switch to the 3-4. He has looked lost at times trying to play zone coverage, and has been beaten on the deep ball many times this year. Having Underwood come in, who the coaches seem to like wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing.

Even if we lose both of them we’ll still be in good shape as Jenkins, Woodson, and Matthews are all having Pro Bowl type seasons. And that’s not even mentioning Pickett, Jolly, and Hawk and Barnett who really seem to finally look comfortable out there.

by packallday555 on Nov 22, 2009 11:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Don't forget Nick Collins

He’s covering a ton of ground and makin’ plays, too.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Nov 23, 2009 12:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes he is

Of course the injuries will hurt us, I just don’t think it will be bad enough to end our playoff chances.

Having Underwood coming out there might slow down the defense a bit, but luckily we have the Lions next week and not the Ravens. Aside from him, everybody else on the defense really seems to be coming around.

And don’t look now but even the o-line looked better today. I know the 49ers don’t necessarily have a great pass rush but their definitely better then the Bucs front seven and Lions front seven who we struggled a lot against. Having Tauscher back will really help solidify things, and I think Lang will eventually replace Colledge at LG and that will help a ton.

Oh and the o-line opened up some holes for Grant against what was the #1 run defense in the league. Grant looked really impressive today and if he can continue to run the way he did, that will help Rodgers and the passing game out a great deal.

by packallday555 on Nov 23, 2009 12:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No, I think the 49er's

have a good front seven. Maybe its the strength of their team. Besides Patrick Willis, Aubrayo Franklin is playing pretty well. I think our O-Line’s performance yesterday was no fluke. These guys are getting better.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Nov 23, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

Tauscher in there is helping solidify things. Now we just need to replace Colledge at LG with Lang, and I think our o-line would actually be alright.

by packallday555 on Nov 23, 2009 8:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with this

Kampman and Harris are great and should be starters

but we have good depth right behind them

See, this is what happens when the Sox bunt.
Discord is sown. Brother fights brother. Misunderstandings abound.

-TAEG

by blackoutsox on Nov 23, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Eh

Behind Kampan? Yes. Harris? No.

by packallday555 on Nov 23, 2009 8:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Domination

on paper.

Look at the box score, Packers dominated in every category.

Besides Gores long run of 42 yds, he had 17 yds rushing!!

My biggest concern is lack of pressure on the QB when they were in OBVIOUS passing mode in the 2nd half. If I recall correctly, we had all of our sacks in the first half, zero in the 2nd. Anyone know that for sure?

Overall, we played really really well and it should not have been this close of a game.

Harris worries me more than Kampman, Brad Jones is a better OLB then AK.

by Acme on Nov 22, 2009 4:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

The kickoff coverage

is at about a crisis point with me. Reminded me of the Tampa game giving them that long return after we went up 30-10.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Nov 22, 2009 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

and Vikings

with Percy Harvin…Yea, Packers score a TD, and then crashing back down to reality as the other team takes the kickoff back 70+ yds.

Twice against Tampa, correct?

by Acme on Nov 22, 2009 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I’m pretty sure there was only one big Tampa return. You may be thinking of the blocked punt TD by the Buc’s.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Nov 22, 2009 5:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

The kickoff coverage has been horrible for us this year. They looked great aside from that one return which is good, but that one return was really a killer.

by packallday555 on Nov 22, 2009 11:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah.

If SF doesn’t rip off that return, the Packers probably win a more comfortable game, possibly 30-10 or 30-17.

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 22, 2009 11:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Harris is out for the year with a blown ACL...

… according to Andrew Brandt’s website, as reported by JSOnline. Can’t say I’m surprised. Hopefully Kampman’s is just an MCL or a strain instead of a tear. No contact knee injuries are usually pretty bad.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Nov 22, 2009 5:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

They're saying a similar fate for Kampman

on WTMJ’s postgame show. Two huge injuries.

"You just don't know understand how frustrating this is"- Kevin Borseth

by TkGoUWGB on Nov 22, 2009 6:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

thats awful that two key players would be injured

but ironically, those two players were also the weakest links in adopting to the 3-4, and the replacements, while not as good, may thrive better in the 3-4 long term (Williams and Jones)

so this isnt as soulcrushing as it may seem at first

See, this is what happens when the Sox bunt.
Discord is sown. Brother fights brother. Misunderstandings abound.

-TAEG

by blackoutsox on Nov 22, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually, I think it is.

Kampman was coming on (sack today) when Capers let him put his hand down, and his coverage was getting better too.

And while I’ve got my problems with Harris, losing him means your 3rd CB is either Underwood or Bush (hopefully Underwood) and either way, it’s going to have huge fallout:

First, you’ve lost a ton of flexibility in the way Woodson is used because you don’t have a guy who’s arguably a shut down corner on the other side. That might mean that Woodson doesn’t get to play nickel anymore and that’s almost certain to lessen his impact as both a tackler and an INT machine. Second, it means Underwood and Bush are going to have to try to cover the #2 or 3 WR of each opponent coming up, OR the TE. I don’t know about you, but I don’t like that prospect at all. Third, it means that Capers will become more reluctant to blitz: meaning your going to see more vanilla defense like the kind you saw in the second half.

No, this is actually really, really bad. How bad depends on how good Jones and Underwood play, because Bush is awful and he’s not going to suddenly get better just because we want him to.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Nov 22, 2009 8:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think it’s going to hurt us a bit but not as much as you just said. Kampman has struggled this year with the scheme and his coverage hasn’t improved all that much. When Jones came in we were much better against the pass and it made our zone blitzes much more effective.

However I do agree that losing Harris will hurt us. Your totally right about Woodson not being able to play the nickel as much, but that might not necessarily be a bad thing all the time. Underwood came in and looked ok, though it wasn’t for a long time. He had that horse collar penalty but on the bright side at least he in position to make the play haha.

Whatever we do, we CANNOT put Bush out there to cover the other teams #2 Wr. He is HORRIBLE, and has shown time and time again that he can’t cover anybody.

by packallday555 on Nov 22, 2009 11:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Harris is a bigger loss

AK got his sack when he was playing DE.

I stated this before, AK is a GREAT Packer, but he is not and will not be a great LOLB.

Brad Jones fits the position a lot better. Now we have Jones starting and Pop and Chillar as subs. Good set of LB’s in my opinion and all of them better at coverage than AK.

by Acme on Nov 23, 2009 9:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

This game hurt us more than it helped

Did Al Harris just play the last game of his career?

It’s going to be hard for Tramon to step into these shoes, and will cause all sorts of problems in our nickel packages with Bush’s inability to cover a turtle.

I hope for a different fate for Kampman

by A-Rodge12 on Nov 22, 2009 6:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It's sad that my feelings for both are not really crushing.

I really like both players but neither is really suited to the new system. I hope Kampman can get traded to a team where he can make a sizable impact.

by levnclf on Nov 22, 2009 7:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Just horrible.

This really is just horrible news. Kampman is one thing, but Harris is a while nother caliber of loss. It is going to be very challenging for our 3rd CB, I really hope who ever it is can get up to speed and play decently. It sucks that Woodson cannot roam around like he has been.

by StephanL on Nov 22, 2009 10:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Just remember

Most every team is going through these same kind of injuries as we are. This is when the league starts to become a war of attrition.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Nov 22, 2009 11:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And the league wants to go to an 18 game season. Its ridiculous. This is the rare situation where I am in total agreement with Peter King

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Nov 23, 2009 6:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

18 games is dumb.

I dont want to watch teams 3rd string players.

by Acme on Nov 23, 2009 9:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

in the playoffs no less. it’s total greed and insanity

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Nov 23, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The last thing the NFL

should try to be doing is to get more exposure. Part of what made the league so popular in the first place is that it wasn’t oversaturated.
I know my interest in college basketball has certainly gone down because I feel it’s been oversaturated, thanks to ESPN showing maybe a thousand games per year.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Nov 23, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Woodson might still be able to roam around like he did. After Harris went out, Capers had Underwood guarding the 49ers #2 Wr, and Woodson in the nickel. It will be interesting to see how Underwood is in coverage.

by packallday555 on Nov 22, 2009 11:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If Harris is out for the year...

The Packers are going to struggle even more in pass coverage… The past few years, when Woodson or Harris have gone down, so has the Packers ability to cover guys…

Woodson should have been on Davis all game… when he wasn’t Davis got open at will…

Good game though… Penalties still need to be cut down and the Defense needs to stop allowing other teams to get back into the game…

Goooooo-mez!

by Drew C on Nov 22, 2009 5:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Bush needs to go

Bush needs to get cut. He is always late to the ball and a player for that matter. I can’t see holding on to a guy for just his special teams value. The way GB special teams has been this year…. what exactly is Bush’s value? I think Tramon williams can fill in for Harris just fine. McChicken’s “Bush” experiments have killed us when we have a lead.

by turd on Nov 22, 2009 6:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

That's all well and good but

if Harris is done for the year and Tramon slides into his spot (which he can handle) who is the other DB out there? I agree that Bush is terrible but we are gonna need somebody out there.

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Nov 22, 2009 6:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Who would you think is the best?

The only other DB I can think of is Underwood, but I don’t see him as ready to step up onto the Packers as a full-time starter in the defensive backfield.

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 22, 2009 7:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He has to be better then Bush.

We MUST NOT go with Bush. Underwood has got to take Harris’ place.

by packallday555 on Nov 22, 2009 11:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Haha

And the funny thing is, Bush doesn’t even have any special teams value. He has absolutely NO value.

by packallday555 on Nov 22, 2009 11:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The second coming of Ahmad Carroll.

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 23, 2009 7:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Bush sucks really bad but until he gets an average of 4 flags a game he’s not even in the same league as Ahmad Carroll. That’s not exactly a compliment but there it is.

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Nov 23, 2009 8:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Haha

Well too be fair I remember seeing Bush lining up offsides TWICE in a game this year when we were in punt formation, yes punt formation. I would actually rather see him get a penalty then get absolutely burned, see: Tampa Bay’s game winning Td in which Bush was burned by Sammie Stroughter who is a rookie.

The guy is absolutely worthless in every aspect of the game.

by packallday555 on Nov 23, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You guys are forgetting

Bwoah Jue.

by jonohull on Nov 23, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh sweet lord!

I can’t believe we forgot Bwoah Jue!

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Nov 23, 2009 5:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

hee

I just friended TJ Lang on facebook

See, this is what happens when the Sox bunt.
Discord is sown. Brother fights brother. Misunderstandings abound.

-TAEG

by blackoutsox on Nov 22, 2009 6:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Let me know if he accepts your friend request.

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 22, 2009 7:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

he did

I think he accepts all packer fans, there are a lot on there

not that im a stalker or anything…:)

See, this is what happens when the Sox bunt.
Discord is sown. Brother fights brother. Misunderstandings abound.

-TAEG

by blackoutsox on Nov 22, 2009 7:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

unfortunately I dont think he's friends with any other packer players

so I cant expand my a-list

I didnt look that hard though

See, this is what happens when the Sox bunt.
Discord is sown. Brother fights brother. Misunderstandings abound.

-TAEG

by blackoutsox on Nov 22, 2009 7:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Brandon Underwood

time to step up and take that nickel spot.

rmlumley.com

by shaftr on Nov 22, 2009 6:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Apparently Kampman and Harris are both done for the year

Bad news for both guys. Harris because he’s 34 and will be coming off a pretty serious injury (Look how long it took Barnett to fully recover). Same for Kampman, this will definitely hurt his chances at earning a big deal next year. I think the Packers D can adapt with Tramon and Jones filling in for both though.

by Charlie Kelly on Nov 22, 2009 7:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Pardon me while I find a big enough drink

So my tears won’t dilute it too much. That sucks.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Nov 22, 2009 7:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

How did you find me on Facebook?????

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 22, 2009 8:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You listed your e-mail address on SBN :P

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Nov 22, 2009 10:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Good point.

Anyone else from BCB or APC on Facebook that you know of?

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 22, 2009 11:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry to hear about Harris and Kampmann

Big losses for your defense. Kampmann looked like he was getting more comfortable in the 3-4. I was switching back and forth between your game and the Vikes, and it looked like your defense was really on their game today.

How’s your secondary depth? I thought Woodson and Harris were a top 4 or 5 CB tandem in the NFL, but were out of place in Capers’ scheme.

Good luck rest of the year.

"We're used to Favre-a-palooza now. We're engulfed in Favre-a-palooza. It's not even Favre-a-palooza anymore. He's family now."

--Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe, on Brett Favre

by MilCardFan on Nov 22, 2009 11:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Tramon Williams is a fanastic back-up but after that...we have bodies

I’m wondering who is on the FA market that we could sign…too bad Ty Law was just picked up by the Broncos.

battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm

by Michael M on Nov 22, 2009 11:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well technically, Tramon Williams and Al Harris have been playing as our #1 and #2 Cb’s this year, and we have had Woodson playing the nickel. After that we have Underwood, who came in today for Harris and Bush, who is without a doubt the worst Cb in the league.

by packallday555 on Nov 22, 2009 11:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

We are 6-4, as are the N. Y. Giants and Philadelphia.

At this point, what are the rankings of those three teams?

1. ??
2. ??
3. ????

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 22, 2009 11:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Got it.

Green Bay leads the wild-card, followed by the N. Y. Giants and then Philadelphia.

Not sure what the tie-breaking procedures are that produce that result.

"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 22, 2009 11:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Nice!

The Giants have a relatively tough schedule remaining with the Broncos, Cowboys, and Eagles coming up these next 3 weeks.

The Eagles have the Redskins, Falcons, Giants, 49ers, Broncos, and Cowboys remaining.

by packallday555 on Nov 23, 2009 12:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Three or More Clubs

(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)

   1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
   2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
   3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
   4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
   5. Strength of victory.
   6. Strength of schedule.
   7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
   8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
   9. Best net points in conference games.
  10. Best net points in all games.
  11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
  12. Coin toss

By the NFL rules, I get Philly having the tie breaker

Produces Philly since they won the head-to-head
N/A
Packers are 5-3, Eagles are 5-2. Eagles lost to San Diego and Oakland outside of the NFC.

Where’d you find that ordering?

by Danwood on Nov 23, 2009 6:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No, the head-to-head is only applicable when one team has defeated each of the others.

I found this ordering on the standings at NFL.com, set the standings to reflect conference standings.

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-Anne Frank-

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 23, 2009 7:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I just checked

And the Eagles are listed in front of the Packers. Perhaps you saw it before they updated with the Eagles’ victory last night?

1. New Orleans Saints NCS 10 0 0 1.000 369 204 165 48 5-0 5-0 3-0 1.000 7-0 1.000 3-0 10W 5-0
2. Minnesota Vikings NCN 9 1 0 .900 306 193 113 37 5-0 4-1 4-0 1.000 7-0 1.000 2-1 3W 4-1
3. Dallas Cowboys NCE 7 3 0 .700 231 175 56 27 4-1 3-2 2-1 .667 6-2 .750 1-1 1W 4-1
4. Arizona Cardinals NCW 7 3 0 .700 250 197 53 31 2-3 5-0 3-1 .750 5-2 .714 2-1 3W 4-1
5. Philadelphia Eagles NCE 6 4 0 .600 266 204 62 29 3-2 3-2 2-1 .667 5-2 .714 1-2 1W 3-2
6. Green Bay Packers NCN 6 4 0 .600 262 203 59 30 4-2 2-2 2-2 .500 5-3 .625 1-1 2W 3-2
7. New York Giants NCE 6 4 0 .600 266 235 31 29 3-2 3-2 2-1 .667 4-3 .571 2-1 1W 1-4
8. Atlanta Falcons NCS 5 5 0 .500 252 228 24 32 4-0 1-5 1-2 .333 4-4 .500 1-1 2L 1-4

by Danwood on Nov 23, 2009 7:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

well, that's the nice thing

Giants & Eagles still play each other.

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by shaftr on Nov 23, 2009 8:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Rookie CB's

granted experience is very important, both Underwood and Bush are much faster and athletic than Harris. He has lost a step recently.

Great player and hopefully the young CB’s can step up. Get reps with the #1’s, learn from C-wood and I am sure Harris will help them in the film room.

Too bad for AK, but I am not as worried about the Packers losing him. Bummer for the Packers because his trade value just dropped a lot.

by Acme on Nov 23, 2009 9:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs