Injuries: Al Harris and Aaron Kampman Are Out For The Season
It's been reported by the Journal-Sentinel that the Green Bay Packers just lost both CB Al Harris and LB Aaron Kampman for the year with ACL tears.
There's no way to replace what either player can do for the defense. Harris is their top cover corner, and Kampman is still their best pass rusher. A pass defense that is struggling after giving up another 3 TD performance to an opposing QB just got a little worse. With the game coming up on Thanksgiving, there isn't much the Packers can do to replace either this week. Not that there are Pro Bowl LBs or CBs looking for jobs right now.
I'd expect CB Trevor Ford and LB Cyril Obiozor are added to the roster this week from the practice squad, after Harris and Kampman are placed on I.R. Both played extensively in preseason. They are undrafted free agents who were signed back in April. Ford is a poor cover corner, but good in run support. Obi is a project of linebacker coach Kevin Greene's and a former college DE making the transition to LB. He's an athletic player, but didn't manage to put much pressure on the QB. If there's another injury in the secondary, remember the Packers have already lost CB Will Blackmon during the season, then Ford might play. Obiozor could be added to the active roster, but would still be buried deep on the depth chart.
As far as replacing them on the field, LB Brad Jones has impressed the last two week and he'll start in Kampman's spot. LB Brady Poppinga is his backup, with LB Jeremy Thompson behind them. Jones showed some promising pass rush moves this preseason, but his strength right now is against the run and in pass coverage. CB Tramon Williams will now start, with CB Jarrett Bush as the nickel. Though they've run a lot of sets with 4 CBs lately, so CB Brandon Underwood got some playing time after Harris went out. None of those players can replace what Kampman and Harris can do. The team will just have to try their best going forward, and defensive coordinator Dom Capers is going to have to make some adjustments to compensate for their absences.
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Al Harris
is not their best cover corner (that would be Charles Woodson). He’s not even the third best. He’s struggled mightily with coverage this year and has slowed down considerably. I’ve even suggested they convert him to safety, but he gets outjumped and burned in zone coverage enough as it is. The one thing we’ll miss him huge in is in run support. Expect a lot more runs to the outside now.
The big loss with Harris is the fact that after Tramon Williams, there’s no one there. It’s a real shame Pat Lee and Will Blackmon are out for the year as well- talk about a snakebitten secondary. I’m hoping Underwood can step up as the nickelback, but I’m also going to expect there being a lot fewer corner blitzes for the rest of the year as well.
Kampman was definitely coming on as a pass rusher again, so losing him really sucks, but bringing in Jones will help us out in coverage tremendously. I’m going to also assume that Poppinga will rotate in that spot as well to boost the pass rush and run support.
Both losses are bad, but we overcame losing Harris just fine last year when Tramon stepped in and didn’t miss a beat. I also find it curious how we happen to lose the two guys who were struggling with the change to the 3-4 the most in the same game, when they were putting in their best game of the year… The Pack’s defense fell apart immediately since the backups were not adequately prepared in the 4th after they went down. Good thing we hung on and essentially have a second bye week after the Lions game this week.
by vitaminx on Nov 23, 2009 12:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Harris is the third best cover corner on the team behind Woodson and Williams, but his injury will still hurt us. It’s too bad McAlister was just signed, he has experience in the 3-4, and could have helped us.
by packallday555 on Nov 23, 2009 12:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have absolutely no facts to back this up
but I would say Harris is our best cover CB. It’s just that teams don’t throw at him as much as the others because he’s always on his man. Harris doesn’t have the number that Woodson and Williams have, but he’s on his man all the time. Woodson failed to read the dump off to Gore for that TD today, you don’t see that (at least I haven’t) with Harris. Even the Crabtree TD today it seemed like Crabtree had to push off twice just to get space.
Plus he injured AP 2 years ago and as a person who lives in MN and has to listen to nonsense all day, everyday, I’m a fan of an injured AP.
by uofmike on Nov 23, 2009 1:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya
But if you look back at the tape you would see he is our third best guy. Woodson is clearly the best. He shut Witten down who is an elite Te, and then shut Davis down. When Davis scored it was with Matthews covering him, and his other big catch was against Hawk.
I would say Williams is better as well. Williams really technically has been our #1 Cb this year in terms of where he has been playing. A lot of the time he is lining up on the opposing teams #1 guy (Ochocinco, Hester, Rice) and usually does a pretty good job.)
Harris is still a good player but there is no question his play has dropped this year. He has been beat deep a lot this year, see: Berrian in the Vikes game, on a 3rd and 6 play against the Bucs, and most recently by Crabtree yesterday.
Haha I live in MN too and LOVE too talk to Vikes fans about Harris injuring AP.
by packallday555 on Nov 23, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He is
You are right. Opponents are completing less than 50 percent of passes thrown at Harris. Nobody else is in the same neighborhood. He isn’t flashy like Woodson, he just gets the job done.
Shutting down a TE is a whole different issue. Different skills, different technique. I’m not sure Harris could handle a TE ib a regular basis because Harris’s game is to beat up the receiver and TEs generally will have 30 or more pounds on him. But on WRs his own size, he’s one of the best in the league.
Jarrett Bush makes me shudder.
by ktenreb on Nov 23, 2009 5:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
complete agreement
Harris might not be as good now as he was in 2003-2004’ish but he is still a great CB, imo. And Jarrett Bush makes me shudder too
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Nov 23, 2009 6:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Williams
I’ve been really disappointed with Tramon Williams this season. I don’t have any game log, matchup stats to see how many times Williams and Harris have been targeted, but it’s seemed like he’s been beaten a lot more this season then Harris.
I wouldn’t put Harris ahead of Woodson in coverage, but I wouldn’t put him behind him either. It’s hard to say their just as good since they are asked to do different things in coverage. Harris was always lined up outside against the receiver while Woodson may move around and could potentially cover anybody.
by Brandon on Nov 23, 2009 2:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Brandon Underwood can play the nickel corner
Because Jarrett Bush is completely terrible at the game of football.
by Archibaldcrane on Nov 23, 2009 1:11 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
third, fourth, fifth, and sixth
dickie_thon: Third baseman Bill Hall / Watches the third strike go by / Gamel grabs his glove
by GoGregGo on Nov 23, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
FACT
…need we say more…doubtful
by Brewcityhoya13 on Nov 23, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Underwood could play nickel
He would have been playing in the dime ahead of Bush. That he couldn’t move up the depth chart makes me dubious.
by ktenreb on Nov 23, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
third
Jarrett Bush is horrible. I don’t even see him doing much on special teams anymore. I always pray they get rid of him. T Williams will do good. The whole underwood / Ford thing scares me. I hope we Bliz all the time now so we don’t have to see them get burned
by turd on Nov 23, 2009 2:11 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I would rather have lost that game yestersday than lost Harris for the season,
absolutely unreplaceable. Look for some very large numbers from opposing QBs from this day forward, and my playoff aspirations just got thrown out the window.
Green and Gold / Black and White
by OznCoop on Nov 23, 2009 6:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That is a smidge over the top.
Harris’ veteran presence will be missed. He has slowed a step aon has gotten burned more this year than usual, and is also good for an int. or Def holdin call. I don’t think it is as big a loss due to that.
The problem is injuries are mounting all around, the cumulative effect could be the downfall. I still have playoff aspirations!!
Some people say the glass is half empty, some say half full. I say, are you going to drink that?
by BleedsbluinMI on Nov 23, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Harris > Williams isn't much of a downgrade
but Tramon Williams to Jarret Bush. That is a huge loss.
by shaftr on Nov 23, 2009 8:38 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
can anyone tell me
Why we matched the Titans offer sheet on this guy….
by GreenandGolder on Nov 23, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
1.01 million
For special teams?!? I just don’t see that kind of value for this type of guy. Bush has been and will continue to be a huge disappointment.
by GreenandGolder on Nov 23, 2009 5:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You know what?
Let’s not dump on the guy. He hasn’t played the best in the past, but right now he’s all we have and all we’re going to have. The loss of Blackmon is looking huge.
And God Forbid that either Woodson or Williams should get hurt.
by ktenreb on Nov 23, 2009 6:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha knock on wood!
Don’t even mention either of them getting hurt, that would be an absolute disaster.
by packallday555 on Nov 23, 2009 8:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Any veteran CBs on the street?
That we could target?
by Cervercero on Nov 23, 2009 9:00 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
There is no such thing as a quality, veteran,unemployed CB in November, unless he’s still in jail.
by ktenreb on Nov 23, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 Nice
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Nov 23, 2009 6:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Injury List for the Pack's D
reads like a phonebook. I don’t think this torpedoes the season, with respect to the playoff picture, just because the remaining NFC opponents are definitely beatable (Bears highly inconsistent, Lions have a couple of years of rebuilding to be a decent .500 team, Seahawks and Cards showing high pass offenses can outscore them over 4 quarters easily enough…), but as a fan who always wants a superbowl bound Pack, this one really hurts.
by AdamA on Nov 23, 2009 10:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Remember all the injuries
the Colts have had on defense this year. I would say they have a comparable level of talent on defense as us, and their defense just won the game on this yesterday. It’s not like we’re the only teams with injuries. The NFL really is a war of attrition.
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by jobe on Nov 23, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The biggest loss with Harris
Is going to be his on the field leadership…. his a veteran guy who knows what’s going on… The Packers still have Woodson, but losing Harris is a bad blow… Pray that teams don’t spread The Packers out and go after Bush, because he is terrible in coverage…
Aaron Kampman, just a bad season for him… injuries… playing a position he can’t play… Green Bay should’ve utilized him better for what he is… a 3-point pass rusher…
Goooooo-mez!
by Drew C on Nov 23, 2009 10:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Story of the season ...
Even when we win, we lose.
by jglowack on Nov 23, 2009 11:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Replacements ...
What is the story on Jeremy Thompson? I haven’t heard a peep about him since wowing int he preseason.
Looking at the schedule, this might not be too devastating in the rest of the season. We don’t play an elite passing team until Arizona (January 3) and they will likely have wrapped up their division by that point. Actually, Pittsburgh could be a disaster with Hines, Holmes, and Mike Wallace – but I don’t think that was a game most were expecting to win anyway. However, something needs to be done before the playoffs – if Jarrett Bush is the permanent solution this team goes out in the wild card round.
by jglowack on Nov 23, 2009 11:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
he saw time on...
special teams in 3 or 4 games. I think he played a few snaps at OLB in the Tampa game.
by GreenandGolder on Nov 23, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Problem
Heres the problem w/ losing Harris and Kampman. It everyone having to learn to play roles for which they haven’t been preparing for. The trickle down efffect. Neither Harris nor Kampman were really good in the new D, but they knew their roles and were prepared for them, and have been preparing for them all season.
Indy lost Sanders, but they had been dealing w/ his loss for the past 2 years. So other guys were able to prepare for new roles and get accustomed to what was expected of them in those roles. Tramon Williams will be fine, he was a defacto starter anyway, its Bush and Underwood who have to adapt to roles for which they have never prepared for before, nor are they necessarilly ready or able to play those roles. Lee and Blackmon would have been much better options. In the long run, its not that big a deal, but in the short term, like the remainder of this seaon and playoffs, all the changing of roles will catch up w/ them…
by Strohman on Nov 23, 2009 6:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I feel bad but...
I liked Jones play against Dallas while Aaron was sitting out. I felt that Jones was more of a ‘pure’ 3-4 linebacker which freed up Nick, AJ, and Clay to do a linebacker blitz to get after Tony (rhymes with POMO). I think Tramon will be fine in Al’s place. He doesn’t seem as physical, but perhaps that will negate some of the fouls that Al is sometimes guilty of. I feel bad that Aaron and Al got hurt, but I think the Packers will be fine.
by biggun33 on Nov 23, 2009 9:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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