The Playoff Hunt - Where We Stand After Turkey Day
The Football Outsiders playoff odds updated after Green Bay's victory over San Francisco showed some encouraging trends. It should be noted that Green only held a 0.8% chance to take the division, something that would be predicated on the Vikings losing 4 more games than the Packers the rest of the way. Basically, the Packers are battling for a wild card berth.
Those odds gave them a 69.1% chance of locking up a wild card berth, and a 69.8% chance of reaching the playoffs altogether. This was a 14% improvement over the previous week, and surprisingly high given that we were tied record-wise with two other teams (Philadelphia and New York) and one game ahead of another (Atlanta).
Those playoff odds are likely to improve after the Packers beat the Lions to improve to 7-4, and the New York Giants lost to the Denver Broncos to fall to 6-5. Let's take a look at the Packers playoff chances with a bit more analysis, after the jump. We'll be examining the Packers, Dallas (because they are the one division leader that appears not to have everything sewn up already), Philadelphia, New York, and Atlanta. However, Carolina, San Francisco and Chicago will not be included, as their odds were all worse than 10%, and the Packers own the tiebreaker over San Fran by virtue of their victory (San Fran has the best odds of any of the 4-6 teams).
Green Bay Packers (7-4)
First, we should take a look at the Packers. They still have home games against Baltimore and Seattle left, and road games against Chicago, Pittsburgh and Arizona. It helps to be playing the Ravens at home, and it also helps to be playing Arizona in the last game of the season. By then, the Cardinals should have clinched whatever they can clinch. In fact, if New Orleans and Minnesota keep winning, it's likely that the Cardinals won't have any chance to play for a bye. Given that they'd need to play in a week, they'd probably rest some players, giving the Packers an advantage (if it comes down to the last week).
I love the Football Outsiders statistics because they use value adjusted stats that take into account how a team performs on every single play, and then examines how the team performs against the league average. The Packers have a lot to be proud about, as the defensive DVOA is at -12.1%, putting them at first in the NFL (take that Dom Capers haters!). Their offensive DVOA isn't much worse at 19.5%, good for fourth in the NFL. However, their special teams really lets them down, as their value adjusted rank is 2nd worst in the league. Overall though, the Packers tend to perform far above the league average in many situations, making them a formidable team (if only we hadn't lost to the Bucs!) Their weighted value score places them at 7th in the NFL in this respect.

Football Outsiders statistics for the five teams in question. Records are current as of this Friday.
The good news is that, of the five teams effectively competing for a wild card, the Packers have the second easiest remaining schedule, and that they already have one more victory than the team that has the easiest remaining schedule. The Baltimore game should tell a lot, as it will be a matchup of the #6 (Ravens) and #7 (GB) teams in the NFL per the FO rankings. The fact remains that the Packers are a tough team, but they need to start playing for all 60 minutes and closing teams out.
Dallas Cowboys (8-3)
The Cowboys really helped their case with the win over the Raiders on Thanksgiving Day. Their Playoff Odds will likely improve to near or over 90%. That doesn't seal whether or not they'll win the division, but it would take a pretty monstrous collapse for them to fail to get into the playoffs now. Unfortunately for them, they have the 7th toughest remaining schedule in the NFL: home games against San Diego and Philadelphia, and road games against the Giants, the Saints and the Redskins. Only one of those teams is below .500, so it looks like the Cowboys will have a fight on their hands.
For the Packers' sake, I think we want to see the Cowboys keep winning. It will solidify them as a division leader. If they fall out of the lead for the NFC East, we will suddenly have a team to compete with that will have a very good record. However, it is worth pointing out that the Packers hold the tiebreaker over the Cowboys by virtue of their win at Lambeau Field. If the Cowboys lose one more game than the Packers the rest of the way out, and they are battling for a playoff spot, the Packers would advance to the playoffs.
Philadelphia Eagles (6-4)
Since the Packers haven't played the Eagles, the first tie-breaker if they finished with similar records would be conference record. Then it would go to record in common games (with a minimum of four). Currently the Packers have an NFC record of 6-3, and the Eagles own a 5-2 record. This is where the Buccaneers game really hurts. The rest of the Packers NFC matches should be easier than their games against the Steelers and the Ravens. The Eagles, meanwhile, still have to play on the road against Atlanta, New York Giants, and the Cowboys, and at home against the Redskins, Broncos (AFC) and 49ers. If I had to put money on it, I'd say the Eagles would wind up with more conference losses than the Packers, but let's not forget that the Eagles are a tough team - they are 5th in the league in weighted DVOA, tops in the NFC East. Both the Packers and Eagles have played the Bucs, the Cowboys, the Bears, and will play the 49ers. Right now, the Packers are 3-1 in such games, with one left against the Bears, and the Eagles are 2-1 with two games left against the Cowboys and 49ers. Thus, the Packers will probably hold the tiebreaker advantage over the Eagles at the end of the season (barring something crazy), which means we probably want the Cowboys to have a fair amount of success.
Either way, the Eagles are a tough team, and I'm fairly confident that the NFC East will field one of the wild card teams. Right now, the Eagles hold a significant advantage over the Giants. I'm thinking that the NFC East teams will beat up on each other, and that should provide the Packers with some margin of error.

New York Giants (6-5)
The Giants' loss to the Broncos really helped clear up the playoff picture, and probably boosted the Packers' playoff odds quite a bit. It exposed the fact that the Giants have a lot of problems. They got their clock cleaned by New Orleans and haven't been the same since. They've lost 4 of their last 5, and it doesn't get any easier as they have three consecutive divisional games left, and have to close out the season in the Metrodome. They have the 2nd toughest remaining schedule in the NFL per Football Outsiders.
Given all of that, it's really tough to see the Giants climbing back into it. They have a 4-3 record in NFC games so far, putting them with an equal number of losses as the Packers in the first tiebreaker, and 2 wins in the hole. They still have to play home games against Dallas, Philadelphia, and Carolina, and road games against Washington and Minnesota.

Atlanta Falcons (5-5)
The Falcons need a lot of help as their playoff odds were worse than a coin flip before the weekend started, a lot of the teams ahead of them won, and even if they win, they'll still be tied with the Giants, whom they'd lose the tiebreaker to. Luckily for them, they still have two games left against Tampa Bay, one against Buffalo at home, and one on the road against the Jets. However, they also still have to play the Saints and Eagles at home. Their margin of error is razor thin.
What We Need To Happen
- Take care of business. We won't make the playoffs if we don't win games. I don't think it's necessary to win out, but we will probably need to win 3 games or more out of our remaining 5.
- Have the Falcons fade out. They have a pretty easy schedule. Ideally you'd like to have them lose to the Saints and Eagles as those are their most likely losses.
- Have the Giants fade out. They're doing a pretty good job of this already. If this happens, then it doesn't matter what the Eagles or Cowboys records' are, as the Packers would qualify for the playoffs over the Falcons and Giants.
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Overall a nice analysis
Nice job putting all of that information together.
However, I tend to think differently than you do on the issue of the NFC East teams. You write:
For the Packers’ sake, I think we want to see the Cowboys keep winning. It will solidify them as a division leader. If they fall out of the lead for the NFC East, we will suddenly have a team to compete with that will have a very good record.
The Cowboys winning does nothing to help the Packer playoff chances. In fact, Dallas losses to anyone outside of the other wildcard suitors HELP our cause. We KNOW we have the tiebreaker with the Cowboys, head-to-head, while we do not know that yet when viewing the Iggles or Giants. Our tie-breaker advantage with the Cowboys cannot come into play unless the Cowboys lose hold of the NFC East, so Cowboy losses hedge our bets.
Of course, on a personal level and as a Packer fan who remembers the 90s rivalry, the Cowboys cannot lose enough to please me. Perhaps that is influencing my preferences a bit!
by NYCPac on Nov 28, 2009 1:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nice analysis
When I look at the playoff picture from our teams perspective I think as long as we beat the Ravens we’ll make the playoffs. The Bears seem like their one more blow out loss away from a total season collapse and that could very well come this Sunday. The Steelers scare me but they haven’t been dominate by any means this year and have showed that in their losses to the Bears and Chiefs. The Seahawks are really down this year and we really shoud beat them by 14+ points. The Cardinals are good but like you said in this thread above they’ll likely have the division wrapped up and will likely be sitting many of their guys.
I think we’ll go 4-1 over these next 5 weeks but I’m hoping for 5-0 and am starting to think that winning out could really happen. It’s great that we were able to beat the Cowboys, 49ers, and Lions. Our defense performed so well in all these games and it looks like their all finally starting to feel comfortable in the scheme. And most importantly they all seem to have a lot of confidence in the scheme and their abilities. Our o-line actually seems to be coming together, and the last two weeks MM has proved that he is aware that we are allowed to run the ball after halftime. Both these units have been playing great and have a lot of confidence in their abilities. Now if we could just Slocum to actually coach our special teams during practice..
by packallday555 on Nov 28, 2009 3:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The best thing going for us
is that the Giants still have to play the Eagles. Either way, one wild card contender is coming away from that game with one more loss.
As far as tomorrow goes, the game we really should be watching is Washington at Philadelphia.
I see the Redskins putting up a fight in Philadelphia. If Haynesworth plays tomorrow, it means Andre Carter will likely be matched up one on one with LT Jason Peters almost the entire day. It’s been pretty apparent to me that Jason Peters is not the same player he was two years ago in Buffalo, and Andre Carter’s been having an outstanding year for the Redskins.
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by jobe on Nov 29, 2009 2:02 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I was going to say something similar! But too lazy to log on and post it :P
But a lot of the teams that we are up against are playing one another. It is a matter of who we need to take that guaranteed loss (I KNOW BARRING A TIE). Right now, we pretty much control our destiny. Packers need to win and that is the bottom line.
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by Bush League All Star on Nov 29, 2009 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Our unofficial magic number:
Four. Four more wins should absolutely clinch a playoff spot. It is a good feeling to have you have control over your playoff destiny.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
by jobe on Nov 29, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We need the skins, bucs, jets, and the vikings to win today to help us out with the wildcard. Denver winning on turkey day was big for us. Problem is we lost kampman and harris to season ending knee injuries. But the O-Line is starting to get better… that will be also a big key to our future success.
by ajgraham on Nov 29, 2009 10:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs




















