Your Proverbial Conspiracy Theory...
First off, let me preface this post by saying that I live in Green Bay and I have the privilege to go to many game at Lambeau Field. I have seen Brett Favre do some magical things and some bone-headed things (see 07 NFC championship game). However, as I watch this season unfold with him in purple viking gear, there appears to be empirical evidence that Favre may have been more valuable on so many levels to our young packers team than we thought.
In retrospect, 2007 appeared to be a complete mirage on many levels--Ryan Grant was the darling running back picked up off the NY Giant's scrap heap, our team was winning every close game, Greg Jennings was quickly becoming a star and TT/MM looked like geniuses. How the mighty have fallen so quickly...BUT, as much as it pains me to admit this--the man that made things possible during that dream run in the fall of 2007 was none other than BF.
Brett Favre seemed to be the only true veteran that, in my opinion, might have guided and held our young team accountable during TT's tenure and through the magical 07 season--as much as we blast Favre for how he exited GB or how aloof in the locker room he was, the numbers don't lie--we have sucked since he left and he is the only player of substance that has left our team. (Cullen Jenkins was injured much of last year so he would be a close second, all things being equal). Favre makes players around him better--that's a fact...players want to do their best around him and for him--that's a fact. I think Favre asked for his release in the spring of 2008 more so because he wanted to be on a team with established, savvy veterans and key free agents--players like the ones that he was used to winning with like Reggie White, Sean Jones & Keith Jackson--the Vikings fit that mold to a "T" and happened to play in our division. If Favre had to waste a year in NY to get to Minnesota it was worth it to him--the bonus was being able to stick it to TT when he did get to the Vikings. Perhaps in the spring of 2008 Favre knew how poor the discipline, work ethic or accountability was on the youngest team in the league--he was too old to wait around to find out if he was right or wrong--he didn't want to take that chance with a bunch of young punks who didn't know or care to know who Kitrich Taylor was. Perhaps he saw MM as more of an enabler willing to put up with a young team's gaffs, penalties and lack of accountability.
With us losing TWICE this year in less than stellar fashion to the Vikings, the Packers Players and coaches as human beings have to be wondering how Favre ended up doing them in like he did. TT made the right move to jettison BF to the Jets because he CORRECTLY knew what he had in Aaron Rodgers and we needed to take control of the franchise back. The gross miscalculation that TT failed to account for was the bitterness, spite and competitiveness that a player like Favre can harbor, nurture and then materialize into the ass-kicking that he laid on our Packer team TWICE this year. TT's worst nightmare has become reality this year--he wasn't beaten by Adrian Peterson, who is the best offensive player in the league according to some, he was beaten by the same quarterback that killed our Cinderella Superbowl team of 2007 that wasn't meant to be.
I'm not saying that Brett Favre was like Reggie White in that if you got a bone-head penalty he would be in your grill, but since he left our team has horrid discipline during games and seems very lethargic and nonchalant during big games. Jonny Jolly's penalty was horrible on so many levels--his excuse for it after the game was actual more horrible than the penalty itself! I never recall any coach almost losing a locker room while Brett Favre was here--but in seven games this year Mike McCarthy appears to be one bad loss away from losing the locker room--and ultimately his job.
Aaron Rodgers will do great things in his career I believe, but we are the youngest team in the league for the 4th consecutive year...now more than ever we are acting like it. A little veteran leadership can go a long way.
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"We have sucked since he left..."
It’s true that last year GB went 6-10 in a season where their already flawed defensive scheme imploded when faced with injuries to several key players.
This year they’re 4-3 so far. We’ll see how the season turns out. It’s a deeply flawed team. Its faults have been discussed ad nauseum already. I’m not going to get into whether Favre could or could not provide accountability for the younger players when the head coach seems reluctant to do so. But let’s just settle down a little bit before we presume that this season will end like the last one did.
I for one believe that this is a team a lot of franchises would like to have, warts and all.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Nov 4, 2009 11:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Accountability
I agree with your assessment about many teams being envious of our franchise, even with our flaws…
Being the youngest team in the league 4 years in a row is not a good recipe for success though…Am I surprised by our massive amount of penalties?—no. I do think that some of our players don’t understand how hard it is to win week in and week out.
The “better luck next year” mentality should not be an ongoing theme 5 years into TT’s tenure though.
I was at the philly game (4th and 26) and I was at the 08 NFC championship...history seems to repeat itself.
by 3rdigraphix on Nov 4, 2009 12:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
building for the future
comment is what we hear a lot.
What about now?
We have been building for the future for 4+ years!!
Jennings is a veteran now and has been in the league 3 years. You need more experience than that.
by Acme on Nov 4, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree with the comment on the penalties.
But young teams can play clean football. MM’s don’t because, as he’s all but acknowledged repeatedly, eliminating penalties isn’t important to him. Jolly’s post-game comment on his assinine head-butt penalty probably demonstrate the message MM’s sent to his players on penalties better than anything I could say.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Nov 4, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
anyone have a link
for what Jolly said? I keep seeing people comment about it, but I didnt hear what he said and cant find anything.
by bizzle4 on Nov 4, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"I play like that every game. It ain't going to change. ... It didn't cost us the game. They made the call. Deal with it. So be it."
http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/68427117.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiU9PmP:QiUiacyKUnciaec8O7EyUs
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Nov 4, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if he is refering
to playing with intensity I can accept that and like that, but if he is saying " i play like that every game…" meaning he doesnt think on the field I have a problem with that and should not be tolerated
by bizzle4 on Nov 4, 2009 5:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's saying it's the same thing.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Nov 5, 2009 12:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's do this FJM-style!
the numbers don’t lie—we have sucked since he left
The numbers also show that Aaron Rodgers is one of the elite QBs in the league. Would you say that Rodgers’ play (which has ranged from above-average to stellar) is holding the team back?
Favre makes players around him better—that’s a fact
No, that’s a cliche. Favre doesn’t improve a player’s ability to catch or run or block. He does provide opportunities for players to succeed (most notably Sidney Rice), which is important, but it’s not actually making them better. I hate the “makes players better” cliche, and that’s across all sports.
players want to do their best around him and for him—that’s a fact.
If players don’t want to do their best to win games, with or without Favre, they won’t last in the NFL for long. Look at Charles Rogers, Mike Williams (the receiver), Larry Johnson, and nearly every other player who’s ever held out of training camp over a contract dispute. Adrian Peterson doesn’t have a stronger desire to succeed because of #4, and neither does any other hard-working NFL player.
but since he left our team has horrid discipline during games and seems very lethargic and nonchalant during big games.
So Favre not only established himself as an All-Time great QB here and as the heart-and-soul of the team for over a decade, but he also coached the offensive line on how to avoid holding outside the shoulderpads, the defensive backs how to play the ball instead of the receiver, and everyone else to avoid extracurricular hooliganry? News to me.
Jonny Jolly’s penalty was horrible on so many levels—his excuse for it after the game was actual more horrible than the penalty itself!
It sounds as if Johnny Jolly doesn’t have a history of bad judgement.
we are the youngest team in the league for the 4th consecutive year…now more than ever we are acting like it. A little veteran leadership can go a long way.
Charles Woodson. Aaron Kampman. Donald Driver. Chad Clifton. All veterans, all leaders.
Honestly, Favre is not the reason the Packers are losing. Losing twice to the Vikings is a result of the superb play of Minnesota’s defensive line and the Packers’ defensive scheme focusing on Adrian Peterson, thus opening up the passing game for Favre. Favre is a very good QB, probably top-10 this year, and he makes them a better team. But considering we have a player just as good as him (and younger) at the same position, I find it hard to believe that losing Favre made the team lose direction.
If you want to question management, question them for sticking to Ryan Grant long after his shelf-life had expired, or for not working more with defensive players off the field to adjust to the 3-4, or for failing to find decent options at offensive tackle. But questioning them for sticking to their decision to move forward without Favre after Favre retired is problematic.
"Brandon Jennings needs a nickname before he gives himself one. Oh wait, Young Money, he already did."
by Mitchell_M on Nov 4, 2009 5:16 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Exactly right!
And thanks for doing it FJM-style! It was great.
There’s no denying that Favre is a great player, 3rdigraphix, but you are beginning to sound like many of the media here in your adoration of the guy. Like the guys wouldn’t want to make mistakes cause they don’t want to let down the old man on the team who has a separate locker room and doesn’t need to go to the same mini-camps and OTA’s as they do. With him gone I guess there’s just no reason to NOT make mistakes.
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Nov 5, 2009 7:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
State of the team
I think many may be missing the point of the article…Favre leaving is not the reason why we appear to be in a tailspin right now. I bring up Favre only bcuz of the leadership qualities that he has that our team needs.
AR is a better qb right now than Favre, that I don’t dispute. He is only going to get better too. I just get the feeling that no true
leader (both on and off the field) is emerging on our team on either side of the ball…
I was at the philly game (4th and 26) and I was at the 08 NFC championship...history seems to repeat itself.
by 3rdigraphix on Nov 4, 2009 8:10 PM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
i disagree
AR seems like a stats guy. Holds onto the ball because taking a chance means a potential INT which hurts his passer rating, taking a sack does not.
He does not seem to do whatever it takes to win. Favre could give two sh*ts about his stats.
Favre also anticipates WAAAY better then AR. Favre releases in 2-4 seconds, AR releases in 4-6 seconds. Play calling could be improved, but I think most of that is on AR.
by Acme on Nov 10, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Favres Gift is
That through his demeaner on the field he is able to let teammates know it is ok to believe in themselves.
A bird in the hand is worth about 10.99 at KFC and makes me lick my chops
Yummy!!!!!
by kdog69 on Nov 9, 2009 7:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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