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Hello, hello, all of you.  As you are all aware, our two teams will meet next week on Monday Night at the storied Lambeau.  I, as well as many other Ravens fans I'm sure, will be here to answer any questions you may have about our team as well as to as you all about yours.

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As is often the case when NFC and AFC teams meet, the players as well as the fans are pretty unfamiliar with one another.  I've seen a few GB games this year, and I've always respected Aaron Rogers, but apart from the usual criticism of your O-Line and the talk of how often Rogers gets hit, I'm not much of an expert on the Packers.

Similarly, you guys might know about Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Joe Flacco, and Ray Rice, but still not really have much knowledge of how the Ravens have looked on a game-to-game basis this season.

To get the Q&A started, I have a few questions of my own:

1) I understand that your Defense is no ranked numero uno in the NFL.  How has Kampman made the transition from 43 DE to 34 OLB and what else about your defense has changed between this year and last?

2) Being a Notre Dame fan I never really thought Ryan Grant was that spectacular.  Do you guys feel confident in your running game, or do you worry about what might happen if Grant gets stuffed completely?

3) With Harris out, who is replacing him at CB and how has he fared?

And for your questions, ask away.

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Thanks for coming by to chat football!

1) Kampman never seemed to adapt well to the 3-4 and is now on IR. Luckily the Packers have nice OLB depth, and he’ll be replaced by Brad Jones (on most snaps) with Jeremy Thompson filling in occasionally. Clay Matthews has clearly performed better in the OLB role this year and Kampman will likely be franchised and traded (if there is a market) or allowed to pursue free agency if not. The biggest change in the defense seems to be the overall aggressiveness – Capers now mixes in a wide variety of blitz packages and our ball hawking secondary is very good at turning pass pressure into turnovers. However, the Packers can get shredded if pass protection is excellent – this is basically what happened in the games against Minnesota.

2) The Packers are a pass to set up the run team and Grant works as a one cut runner in that system. He’s not a guy teams have to gameplan for, but he can burn you if the defense is out of position. I don’t see him being a major factor against a stout defense like the Ravens’, however.

3) Harris will be replaced by former nickel corner Tramon Williams – who might already be better than Harris anyway. The issue isn’t at the 2nd corner position, its at nickel back, where the drop off from Williams to either the atrocious Jarret Bush or rookie Brandon Underwood will be steep. The Lions couldn’t really exploit that matchup, but the Ravens might be able to – and certainly the higher caliber offenses the Packers may play in the playoffs will.

My questions:

1) How has the loss of Suggs affected the defense?
2) Ray Rice looks like a beast, especially catching the ball out of the backfield. How are teams generally covering him, and has anyone had success?

by jglowack on Nov 30, 2009 4:18 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

my bad, forgot about Kampman

As for number 3, the Ravens will bring in Kelley Washington for 3-wide sets and he had long arms and strong hands. He’s not a beast but he’s made clutch plays and he will make you pay if he gets free.

As for your questions:
1) Shockingly, our defense has had two pretty good performances in Suggs’ absence. His absence has not had any real noticeable impact. I’m not kidding but I wish I was. He just got a HUGE contract extension and I hate to admit it but he really looked to be giving a sub-par effort this year. He is replaced by a committee consisting of Jameel McClain (young, athletic, rushes the passer well) and Paul Kruger (who is a rookie and has very raw skills but made the play of the game last night).

2) Rice is very very dangerous catching the ball out of the backfield, even more so because he can run a number of routes. He runs screens, circles, slants, all with good concise cuts and reliable hands. Teams have tried to cover him man-to-man, with mostly terrible results. Zone coverage is what it is: if your zone covers the place where we wanted to throw, it works, and if it doesn’t, it doesn’t. Play flat zones against Rice and you can minimize his threat while increasing the possibility of a completion to a WR or TE.

Experienced MLBs are needed to contain rice. You need a guy who can absorb our game tape and learn our tendencies well. We rely on Rice to a fault, and at times it becomes predictable. When you know that the screen is coming, trust your instincts and attack him. He’s not superman and he can be tackled.

Your two nightmare scenarios for Rice are:
1) overblitzing while Flacco dumps it off to him in the flats, leaving no pursuit behind.
2) covering him man to man in the open field with a Linebacker. (Last night on 4th down, Rice went in motion to the slot and Farrior followed him, so Flacco knew to expect man-v-man coverage and he knew Rice was going to beat his man. Result: first down.)

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Nov 30, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Screens

Our D-line is not only huge, but they are athletic. Jenkins and Raji are amazing combinations of size and speed, and Jolly has two interceptions, one of which was a screen he sniffed out..

by StephanL on Nov 30, 2009 5:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i saw that one

Your front seven is to be respected, no doubt. but usually when we go to rice it isn’t a true “screen” where a couple of linemen run over to the flats to block for him. We tend to stick with a 5-man pocket and you’ll need a backer to basically spy Rice and communicate with others when he figures out what rice is doing. Rice will also stay in to block quite a bit, so Capers might want to have that backer do a “read blitz” where he runs with Rice into the flats if Rice goes, or he blitzes if Rice is blocking.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Nov 30, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We rely on Rice to a fault, and at times it becomes predictable.

I’ve kind of noticed this too. A great example was when Flacco threw that game killing pick against the Colts. I think Rice was actually triple covered yet Flacco still tried to squeeze a pass in there.

Does Flacco tend to look for Mason and Rice too much? Or does he do a good job spreading the ball around and looking off the defense?

by packallday555 on Nov 30, 2009 5:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

it depends

there have been games where he’s completed passes to 7 or 8 guys, and then there’s moments when he does seem to lock on to Mason or Rice. He really locked onto Mason last year and now he’s done it less this year, so I’d say he’s just maturing and in his 3rd year he’ll be much better at spreading the ball around. But this year, he’s been deadly in some games and iffy in others…

The colts INT was Brackett hiding behind the O-Line. Flacco didn’t see him and only thought that Sessions was on Rice, and rice had sessions beat. Hopefully he doesn’t repeat that mistake, as he seemed to clearly understand what went wrong and what he didn’t account for (you have to count your linebackers and if one of them is missing, then he’s probably lying in wait behind the line…)

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 1, 2009 12:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Flacco

I have noticed and HEARD from different media outlets that Flacco has been totally relying on Mason and Rice! Both are great players for you, but the rest of the recievers have been pretty underwhelming!

My guess is that Capers is going to put Woodson on Mason and take him out of the equation! You can complete some passes on Woodson but it comes w/ MAJOR dangers!!! Woodson excels in Capers D, due to his instincts! He’ll let you get a short completion or two, but it comes at the cost of giving Woodson an idea how to get a game turning INT!

Without Mason, Rice become the only real threat on offense! Capers would then go to a gang tackling concept, where the only player everyone is keying on is Rice! I think the Ravens will have ALOT of trouble moving the ball vs the Packers D, unless Flacco can make us pay by beating us w/ the rest of the recievers or RB. I don’t see the Ravens beating us this way…

by Strohman on Dec 3, 2009 9:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know I haven't been using exclamation points the whole time!

They would totally make my point stronger! Plus, the media outlets know everything about every football team ever!! You don’t even need to watch real football to learn about a team anymore! It’s amazing! I hear the media writes in all exclamation points now too!! It’s soo cool!!!

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 4, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll trust the judgement of Young, Jaworski and Dilfer. Ex QB’s who STUDY what QB’s are doing! Not of commentators of the game…

by Strohman on Dec 4, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You mean the same commentators

that all thought the Steelers would kill the Raiders and the Pats would beat the Dolphins? Those so-called experts are no better than us and only have the access and open mike that we don’t and we’re still as good if not better!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Dec 7, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for coming!

So how does Rice compare to Benson? Similar types of runners? Is one better than the other? How is the oline in run protection?

I ask because Benson is really the only one that has been able to burn our run D this year

See, this is what happens when the Sox bunt.
Discord is sown. Brother fights brother. Misunderstandings abound.

-TAEG

by blackoutsox on Nov 30, 2009 4:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Rice is very different from Benson

Benson is really a b/w the tackles power runner, while Rice is a better receiver and changes direction like a Maurice Jones-Drew type of back. Running with the ball in space will almost always require two defenders to tackle him: one to slow him and make him change direction, and the other to finish the tackle. If he takes on a bigger man in space, he will make him miss quite often. Very very shifty. Also has excellent ball security. He grips the football like he’s trying to pop it.

We have mostly relied on Rice this year, but last night you saw us go to FB LeRon McClain at times, who is an absolute bulldozer. McGahee gets some touches but he lets the ball get away from his body and does fumble from time to time. If Rice isn’t working out b/w the tackles, the Ravens might get away from the running game a bit (ravens fans have been upset about the run to pass ratio this year). We will probably look to test your Linebackers in coverage, and we run a lot of underneath routes to WRs, TEs, and RBs (Rice as well as McGahee).

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Nov 30, 2009 5:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Rice is the ultimate mismatch for the Packers, his strengths lie within our weaknesses

He just needs to get outside and after that it can be open field for him. Our linebackers are decent, but not very good in coverage or open field tackling. They really are best for blitzing and stopping the run at the line of scrimmage.

Benson was able to punch through pretty much the Dline of every team this year, but the Packers have pushed good runners (Peterson) to the outside and stopped them there for little gain.

So your best options are to dump the ball to Rice on the outside on a blitz or screen, or somehow get him past Jenkins/Pickett/Jolly who are all having good seasons in the middle

See, this is what happens when the Sox bunt.
Discord is sown. Brother fights brother. Misunderstandings abound.

-TAEG

by blackoutsox on Nov 30, 2009 5:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So your best options are to dump the ball to Rice on the outside on a blitz or screen, or somehow get him past Jenkins/Pickett/Jolly who are all having good seasons in the middle

yes, but we need to be careful not to dump to rice too often (we have done this in the past). we will just have try to pound the ball up the middle, even if the prospects aren’t good.

There is a reasonable chance in this game that neither team will run the ball particularly well and that both teams might get away from the run. If that happens, the outcome will be hard to predict. Rogers can expect to hit the ground a few times and he will obviously need to avoid Ed Reed (which he should be able to do since he has great receivers on both sides of the field).

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Nov 30, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

good points

See, this is what happens when the Sox bunt.
Discord is sown. Brother fights brother. Misunderstandings abound.

-TAEG

by blackoutsox on Nov 30, 2009 7:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I noticed last week that your coach started getting McGahee more involved again. I heard something about him needing to learn to be a between the tackles kinda runner. What is your take on McGahee and his fall from grace? Does he have much left?

I assume he won’t be on the team next year since he’s got a decent contract and he’s really not being used there…

by TrevorR on Dec 1, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he's got a whole lot left

it’s just hard to keep him on the field when rice is playing so well.

The main problem with Willis is that doesn’t have great ball security habits. I’ve seen him get excited about breaking big runs and cough it up when a safety grabs him from behind.

We will probably let him go when his contract runs out, which I believe is after this year, mostly because he’s paid too much to be our 3rd best running back. But if YOU guys are looking for a guy who can break big plays and catch passes out of the backfield, YOU might want to sign Willis for 2 or 3 years. He’s definitely a skilled back.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 1, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That is EXACTLY what I was thinking…again that would involve our GM making a major FA move though which isn’t too likely. It would be interesting to see McGahee running on our team though. I’ve always been a fan.

by TrevorR on Dec 2, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Willis shouldn't command too much money

although he does have like 8 touchdowns with very little playing time this year, so his Agent will bring that to the negotiations…

But he’s definitely got gas in the tank. I’d even say he could make the Pro Bowl again. He is very good. Plus, for a pass-happy team like yourselves, wouldn’t you just love to have a home-run threat catching passes in the flats?

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 2, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He still is owed at least one more year

of his original contract which pays him around $6M/year.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Dec 2, 2009 7:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

k

bruce always knows that real specific stuff

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 2, 2009 11:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But you can trade a pick for him

after the season, or just sign him to a little contract w/ incentives when we release him most likely.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Dec 7, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

another thing is

we’ve been using soon-to-be-pro-bowl DE Haloti Ngata (6-2, 345 lbs) as a fullback in goal line situations. Whoever he puts his body on you can consider blocked. So we run McGahee behind him because he has an explosive first step and good power to fall foward. This is pretty much a goal-line-only wrinkle, but its one of those looks where its pretty tough to stop them from getting 1 yard even if you know exactly what play they’re running.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 1, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

the ravens did great in drafting haloti

he fills the exact need of an agile, giant powerhouse at nt to really make ray lewis able to go sideline to sideline without encountering a o-lineman.

i secretly root for him even though i hate your team.

dinasour type of guys choir boys

by mittsabishy on Dec 6, 2009 9:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Come out in the open

and root for him publicly. He is a great guy, a softy off the field and really athletic for a DT, can dunk a b-ball, plays rugby and isn’t that fat mound of blubber like the guy you used to have there in the middle a few years ago (can’t seem to grasp his name).

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Dec 7, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Another take.

I agree, thanks for coming to chat.

1) Like mentioned, Kampman is out with a torn ACL. The transition was suspect, but Kampman was still great at rushing the passer and Capers was getting better at using his skills when he went down with his injury. We’ll mix in OLB Brady Poppinga with roookie OLB Brad Jones and 2nd years man OLB Jeremy Thompson, a preseason standout who’s finally getting back into form following an injury early on.

2) I’ve noticed a little bit more fire in Grant’’s rushing since the Packers brought RB Amahn Green. I’m seeing him make a 2nd and 3rd cut in some of his runs, whereas before I’ve always chuckled at ‘One move Ryan Grant’. Ryan seems to have one move: run forward. It’s nice to see him getting better in the screen game also. I feel like Green can share some know-how in the screen game, which might help Grant on his release and timing. Grant seems to come into form at the end of the year. He’s a workhorse, but we’ve been mixing in out other backs lately. (Brandon Jackson and Green)

3) I’m not sure if Williams is better than Harris, but he’s a starting caliper CB for sure. He’s stepped in and done this before. Last season Harris was out for about a month with a spleen injury. Williams is not a press phenomenon, but pretty good in coverage and very fast.

by StephanL on Nov 30, 2009 5:02 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I like our chances of containing Grant. We can generally stuff the middle, and it usually takes a special back to get good production against us. Mendenhall had a good night last night, but I think he’s a stud.

I would expect that you’d put Woodson on Mason on most downs, since Mason isn’t really an athletic threat and you’d prefer to have a real vet covering him. I don’t know much about Tramon Williams but I’ll take your word for it that he’s good. Both corners will need to come up and defend on running plays and screen passes.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Nov 30, 2009 5:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I’m sure we’ll put Woodson on Mason too but could see Williams being put on him from time to time with Woodson covering Rice out of the backfield.

by packallday555 on Nov 30, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

if your other boy can cover clayton that is

clayton isn’t a pro-bowler but he’s no slouch. He’s athletic and has reliable hands. i’d keep a real corner on him rather than just running a base nickel package with Woodson on Rice. In the event we pass, Woodson would obviously be able to cover Rice, but that just seems like overcompensating to me. We would have more opportunities to run the ball if you did that.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 1, 2009 12:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah that is where the injury to Harris hurts us. While Tramon can step into his shoes well, the guys waiting to take Tramon’s place are pretty mediocre. If the Ravens are going to exploit us somewhere it would be there.

by TrevorR on Dec 1, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Flacco does like to throw to the slot, TE, and RB a lot.

and since your LBs aren’t experts in coverage and you say your nickel is sub-par, I would expect Heap, Rice, and Washington (slot) to get a lot of targets.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 1, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The only problem with that is

how many touchdowns come from drives where you’re throwing to running backs and tight ends? As far as our lbs-it’s not like they’re bad in coverage, just Hawk is and if we’re lucky Chillar will be healthy enough to play for him in passing situations like earlier in the year. Barnett I think is pretty stellar in coverage. Matthews is mostly asked to blitz. Jones hasn’t really been tested much yet but he seems to have done very well in coverage thus far. I think that the perception of our linebackers being weak in coverage comes from the fact that teams haven’t wanted to throw it to their recievers against our secondary and thus are going with the game plan you just layed out. You can definately hurt us going to your third reciever but not if he’s covered by Collins the safety, who’s pretty comparable with your Mr. Reed. If Capers deems Washington a threat, then that’s what he will do. Your special teams will have to put you in position to score if you’re going to success. This is very possible, as our special teams suck. I expect the Ravens to put up around 20 points in this game, which would be a pretty successful game for their offense considering the defense that they’re facing. The problem: The Packers have only been held to 20 points or less once this season, and we won that game. If you asked me to make a prediction, I’d say Pack-30, Ravens 19. I’d be really interested in a Ravens fan’s prediction though, considering that I’m a homer.

by Donald Driver on Dec 1, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

first of all, your safety is not comprable with Ed Reed. At all. I’m sure he’s plenty good, but he’s a good bit shy of having over 1000 INT return yards, a dozen career touchdowns, multiple 7+ INT seasons, and basically being the biggest scoring threat that ever existed on a defense in the NFL…. Wait I forgot Reed is a first-ballot hall-of-famer. Sorry but if you compare anyone to Ed Reed you’ll get a response like that from just about any ravens fan…

My prediction, just because I never pick against the Ravens, is:

Ravens – 31
Packers – 24

I’m predicting a big game from Flacco and your offensive line suffers from the shock factor that our defense often brings. You don’t see it in AFCN division games because those guys are so used to playing us, but you saw it happen to Denver, SD, and even NE—they’re not used to how physical and bullyish we are. I think we’ll drop Aaron for 4 sacks and an INT. But I am also a homer…

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 2, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nick Collins is no Ed Reed, that’s for sure. I’m sure most of us can agree with that. However, Nick Collins is a Pro Bowl Safety and we love the guy. He learned a lot from Charles Woodson, our shut down corner just as Tramon Williams has. If the Ravens are to beat Green Bay, Flacco will basically have to take Mason out of his game plan and pass to Rice, Washington, and Heap. Our issues that keep holding us back are penalties and Special Teams. Our Special Teams unit ranks #32, which is dead last. It is indeed that AWFUL! Minnesota’s average starting position on the field against us was at the 46 yard line. Tampa beat us beat because of Special Teams, along with Cincinatti.

Our Offensive Line has gelled, but it isn’t dominant. The number of sacks allowed in recent weeks have decreased drastically, so don’t be fooled by the overall number of sacks allowed.

by Jabooty on Dec 2, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know of many fans that would try to say Collins is better than Reed has been in his career. That said, Collins is playing at a HIGH level lately…I think that was the point.

Honestly the Ravens are going to have to play their best to get by this one (I’d say the same about the packers though). This should be a very tough matchup. I think the Packers will come out on top since its at home and they are riding a streak that has the defense very confident. I don’t see Flacco having a big game here. I see 200-225 and 1 TD with a lot of those yards going to Rice or McGahee. The 49ers are kind of a similar team. Great RB who can both run well and is deadly when catching it in open space. They don’t have a great #1 WR (Crabtree vs Mason…fairly similar) but the 49ers had another weapon the Ravens didn’t and that is Vernon Davis. The Ravens have a much better QB but both are very solid on D. The 9ers couldn’t stop the packers offense and didn’t get it going on offense themselves until the 4th when it was too late. I think this game will be similar.

by TrevorR on Dec 2, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I dont expect willis to get the ball much

with his fumbling habits, the cold wisconsin weather will probably leave Harbaugh inclined to exclude him from most plays. Expect the backfield touches to go to Rice or McClain, who are both better anyway.

your prediction may be correct but Heap is a weapon at TE who has pro-bowls under his belt. He hasn’t played at that pro-bowl level in recent years but he is a legit target and he can make catches while taking huge hits.

That said, the 9ers might be analogous, but I think we’re better than them (they don’t have the safety we have) and I think this game will be very very close.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 2, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I can never figure Heap out. I was always high on him but I’ve given up on him now. I think he’s just always going to underperform for some reason. I thought with a good QB back there he might thrive but alas…still just mediocre!!

The 49ers clearly don’t have Ed Reed (we all wish we did), but they probably have better corners which makes up for some of that.

by TrevorR on Dec 2, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he's had tons of injuries

he’s still quite good, but he doesn’t have the speed in and out of his cuts that he used to. when he was 24 he could cut like a WR. Now he’s just a good TE. Good, but not great.

Clements is better than any Ravens corner but the rest of the 9ers corners are bullocks.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 2, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Heap is essentially worthless

He still has decent hands, but is so slow getting into the pattern that Flacco has lost faith in him.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Dec 2, 2009 7:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Worthless? not quite

he went up and made a great catch while taking a major shot to the ribs against Indy. Obviously he isn’t what he once was, but he’s serviceable.

Next year we need Kyle Rudolph from ND. Kid is a jump-ball machine and he’s 6’7" with good speed in and out of cuts.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 2, 2009 11:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sick of the jump ball guys

we need a TE who can get open over the middle and hit on the run for big YAC, like Gates, Gonzalez and Clark!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Dec 7, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

btw Ed Reed is close to having 50 career INTs. that’s a lot.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 2, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah yeah...

we get it…he’s a great safety. We’ve seen them and played them before (remember Sharper was first a Packer and then a division rival in MN). We know how to play a ballhawking great safety.

By the way, Woodson has 43 interceptions of his own with 26 of them coming in the last 4 years for the Packers…we have our own first ballot type defender too I guess then!

by TrevorR on Dec 2, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

There isn’t a great drop off when comparing Reed and Collins right now. (Like, today) They are both solid in coverage, ballhawks, great athletes, and good tacklers.

Reed has the history, the awards and so on, but he’s also played in a system that highlighted his skill set. Give Collins a couple years, then we might see if this system can do that for him.

by StephanL on Dec 2, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

look, its no knock on collins, but the whole “system” argument is kindof BS. every player plays in a system. If you make pro-bowls, its generally because your system highlights your skill set. there aren’t many players who make pro bowls who play in systems they don’t fit into.

Nobody is contesting that Woodson is a great corner or that Reed is a great safety or that collins is a great safety. I just don’t like the Reed/Collins comparison. The only guy who’s earned that right is Polamalu.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 2, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

BS huh?

I think you’d find a ton of disagreement with that statement, especially among players.

by StephanL on Dec 2, 2009 6:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, but as good as Collins has been

he nowhere near Ed Reed on his ability to change the focus of a QB. They look specifically for Reed when lining up and somehow I just don’t see Collins being a game changer.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Dec 2, 2009 7:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Totally

Collins isn’t at that same level as Reed. Qb’s don’t look for where he is everytime they come to the line like they do with Reed. They do with Woodson but Collins isn’t quite at that level.

Reed and Polamalu are clearly the best 2 safties in the league. But after them a strong argument could be made for Collins being the 3rd or 4th best. He had 9 picks last year, which led the league with Reed and has been stellar so far this year as well.

by packallday555 on Dec 2, 2009 10:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Still take

Bob Sanders (Indy), Brian Dawkins (Denver) and Adrian Wilson (Cards) before Collins, but arguably right up there.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Dec 7, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

respectfully, i disagree

I think most players would agree completely. Players have disagreements with coaches precisely because they feel that they’re being underutilized or misused in a certain scheme. It has everything to do with their performance.

Remember at the beginning of the year when Demarcus Ware had NO sacks? The DE on his side wasn’t getting it done and it hurt his play. Its the system. Ware is a superb player—maybe the best at his position in the league—but the system has everything to do with it for just about any player. There are a few exceptions but not many.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 2, 2009 11:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We'll chalk it up as a disagreement.

And I’ll state again that I am grateful for you chatting with us about football!

by StephanL on Dec 3, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

glad to be here

much appreciated

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 4, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

split away

gracias

Ed Reed is great, but I was just pointing out that his qualifier of greatness then proves Cwood is equally as great.

Cwood is playing better right now, and that is all I care about.

I am rooting for Cwood for league MVP.

First defensive player to win heisman and first to win league MVP (I think).

by Acme on Dec 3, 2009 11:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If he continues to play as well as he has I think he really should be considered. Unfortunately, it will almost certainly go to a Qb, like Brees or Favre.

by packallday555 on Dec 3, 2009 11:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ew

Don’t use that sort of language around here…

Old ugly and purple will suffice.

by StephanL on Dec 4, 2009 12:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

no hate on C-Wood. none at all.

while I’d take Woodson over Foxworth I still think Reed is pretty much the biggest scoring threat ever on a defense, barring Deion Sanders.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 4, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You won't get an argument from me

Some of the things that guy does are just amazing. I personally liked your playoff game against Miami when he ran like 10-15 yards across the field to cut off a Chad Pennington throw for a pick.

by packallday555 on Dec 4, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

my favorite was in '05 or '06

the browns had Jefff Garcia and they were just blowing down the field on us with a tie game (if i recall correctly). You already know what happens next. Garcia from the red zone, throws into the end zone, CAUGHT—by no. 20—who proceeds to return it.

I was yelling at my TV for how dumb he was to take the ball out of the endzone but then I realized that he was all alone in the open field and he had just won the game for us.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 4, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thats kinda what Sharper was like for us (and still is like now for the Saints). He’ll never just go down…fight to the last moment to return that thing, even if his team is winning in the 4th quarter. Sometimes it burns you but sometimes its pure amazing.

by TrevorR on Dec 4, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Still hard to compare

safety to a CB. Woodson is a better corner than anyone we have or maybe even faced, but Reed is the same at safety for you to see tonite.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Dec 7, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

how many touchdowns come from drives where you’re throwing to running backs and tight ends?

in our case, quite a bit. We’re not the team that dumps to the RB for 2 or 3 yards. We’re the team that dumps to the running back, and the whole stadium gasps as he breaks a 60-yarder for a TD.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 2, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha very true actually

I fee like I’ve seen too many highlights of Rice catching a ball out of the backfield, breaking 3-4 tackles, and taking one 50-60 yards.

by packallday555 on Dec 2, 2009 10:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

it's pretty sick

as much as i hate to recall either Cincy game, the first one where he did the tripod move to keep his footing and then scooted in for a TD was one of the sickest plays of the year so far.

Still, you don’t get plays like that every week and we can’t rely entirely on him to propel our offense.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 2, 2009 11:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Tramon did an excellent job stepping in for Harris last year, and had 5 INT’s. Your right about him not being a press phenomenon like Harris or Woodson. He is better in zone coverage as it seems to utilize his strengths more.

by packallday555 on Nov 30, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Williams is absolutely better than Harris right now.

And considering that the 3-4 and zone blitz scheme that Capers uses has the corners playing a lot more zone than the man/press coverage we had been before, Harris was becoming increasingly disposable and a liability since he was using his hands too much to make up for his lack of speed and hops, especially in the open field. The only thing you could really count on Harris for was being a sure tackler, also especially in the open field.

by vitaminx on Nov 30, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I see what you're saying...

But this is Al Harris we’re talking about. “Better” is a tough thing to asses, because Harris is defiantly a shutdown corner and has skills and experience that Williams just does not have at this point.

On another note, did anyone see Mike Mckenzie flying around and making plays tonight? He looked really good. That would have been an awesome pickup in retrospect.

by StephanL on Nov 30, 2009 11:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

that's the thing though

I haven’t comprehensively reviewed all of Flacco and Mason’s game tapes, but it seems to me that we have the most success against zone coverage. in Man coverage, Mason and Washington lack excellent speed and take time to get open, which can result in Flacco holding onto the ball too long and taking a sack. In zone coverage, Washington will almost always be open if he runs an underneath route and Mason is really impressive at finding the space. Flacco seems more comfortable when he can throw into the space that his receivers are running to, rather than waiting in an often unstable pocket for someone to break free.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 1, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If that's the case

then I guarantee that Woodson will be playing press on Mason. I think that we can all agree that Washington can and needs to have a big game. Didn’t he used to play for the Bengals? Also how does Flacco do under pressure/when being blitzed? By the way I definately agree about Mckenzie, but I don’t know if he’d come back here after the divorce.

by Donald Driver on Dec 1, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Flacco doesn’t get rattled, but he does sometimes hold onto the ball too long. But he is good about avoiding stupid throws and he is very accurate for a 2nd year guy.

Woodson on Mason does make the most sense, but I think you guys might be over-estimating your defense a bit. You did allow 38 points to Tampa Bay. Washington isn’t the sort of guy to have a “big game,” but he could have 4 or 5 receptions for 70 yards or so.

My ravens victory scenario is that your defense has trouble adapting to Ray Rice and overcompensation results in open space in your zone blitzes. If that happens, you can expect us to score.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 2, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Overestimating our defense?

That’s a silly thing for you to say. Who’s the number one defense in the league? Oh, thats right…. that’s the Packers.

Just sayin, you picked the wrong week to try and make a statement like that.

by StephanL on Dec 2, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

the number one defense title has been handed around like a hot potato this year, and you guys haven’t maintained that level of play for an entire season yet. So it does remain possible that you are overestimating your defense.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 2, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Is there a more appropriate time?

Is there a more appropriate time to feel confident in our defense?

The title might shift around, but the further you are into the season, the more accurate the ranking.

Also, our defense is one of the more consistent from game to game and most balenced (pass & rush) in the league.

by StephanL on Dec 2, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The thing that Ravens are still skeptical aobut GB

is that six of your 7 wins have come against losing teams and you’ve lost to basically every team with a winning record, while the Ravens have lost all heir games to only first place teams and have still beaten SD, Denver and Pittsburgh, all playoff caliber teams.

Easy to be a #1 defense when you play the Lions twice (yeah, we get the Browns) plus Chicago. But losing twice to Minnesota, plus Cincy (us too and Tampa? Ouch, not overly impressive to the point of the Ravens feeling overwhelmed.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Dec 2, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough

I don’t think by any means our defense is the best in the league. I think it’s solid and probably top 10. 21 of the Bucs 38 did come from our special teams and offense, so our defense really only gave up 17 to the Bucs.

We were scorched by the Vikes but who hasn’t been? And our defensive coordinator has been calling a very different game the last 3 weeks, and it’s worked. We held the Cowboys to 7 points (and even that was a garbage time TD), and their offense is top in the league and averaging the most yards per play. We’ve looked great on defense as of late and frankly all that really matters is how you’ve played in current games.

by packallday555 on Dec 2, 2009 10:48 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

all points are well taken

I’m just saying that this is the first week that you’re ranked number 1 and plenty of other teams have had that one-week-honor before. You have to hold that title until the season ends for it to carry real weight.

Don’t misunderstand me, I totally respect Capers and I’m familiar with a lot of the names on your defense (Jolly, Woodson obviously, and all of your LBs). I’m just saying that being the best defense in the league is a year-long task and you have to hold that title for a few more weeks before you can really start bragging about it.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 2, 2009 11:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree…I think the point we had is that its not week 3 where a great one week performance could propel you from the 15th to first. This d has been floating in the top 10 for most of the season and trending closer and close toward #1 each week. Its a d that is steadily improving each week. They are still very much exploitable though and are still pretty far from being a true #1 defense.

by TrevorR on Dec 3, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hey man

its not like were sitting back in maryland saying “wow this GB defense is gonna be easy…”

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 4, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And while this is probably true, it seems like that’s what many of the fans from opposing teams we play think. And that’s fine I guess, our defense just has to prove them wrong and has the last 3 weeks.

by packallday555 on Dec 4, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Anything can happen

Look what the horrible Oakland offense did to the #2 Steelers defense yesterday!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Dec 7, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and the ravens were Football Outsiders’ best team in the AFC last year until Pitt completed the sweep.

Look man congrats on the no.1 ranking, its a fun trump card to pull in a conversation about sports, but at the end of the day you’ll still have that empty feeling in your heart if you don’t win a superbowl. You guys know that as well as we do.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 4, 2009 10:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You beat the Chargers in week 2, they looked terrible for the first few weeks and just in the past 4-5 weeks have really gotten it going. You beat the Steelers last week minus Big Ben and Troy and it was at home.

The reason I don’t see the Ravens winning is because right now the offense just isn’t clicking. Early in the season things were going well, they were putting up 20+ points a game. The last four weeks they’ve scored 7, 16, 15, and 20 with the final 3 points coming in OT. I don’t see you beating the Packers putting up like 15 points. The Packers are scoring about 27 points a game. YOu can’t even argue that it was competition cause even against Cleveland whom they put up over 30 on earlier in the season, they only scored 16.

It was impressive that they held the Colts to 17 though and the blowout of the Broncos was surprising…I knew the Broncos would meltdown eventually but that was a serious asskicking! Very impressive…where did that offense go though??? (A Flacco owner wants to know! haha)

by TrevorR on Dec 2, 2009 11:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The reason I don’t see the Ravens winning is because right now the offense just isn’t clicking.

That assessment rings of “Sports Center” homework only. You have to take into account that 3 of the last 4 games were against divisional opponents who always plays us very well (except the browns but that was the week before Indy and I think they hid a lot of the playbook that week). Against Pitt, Flacco threw for like 289 yards, connecting to WRs plenty of times.

I suppose the crux of my “don’t sell the Ravens offense short” argument is this: we did it earlier in the season, and the ingredients are there for it to happen again. Minny has a very good defense and we exploded for 21 points in the 4th quarter against them (to no avail). Flacco showed flashes of it against Pitt and there’s really no reason to doubt that he won’t find that rhythm again at some point this year. He’s a 2nd year QB and he’s learning more each week.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 2, 2009 11:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I watched the entire Ravens/Browns game, the entire Ravens/Steelers game and I tried to catch some of the other two actually…though I was limited due to what was being shown locally. I haven’t watched SportsCenter once this year actually those guys bore me.

I watched Flacco. He wasn’t making good reads…he was slow releasing the ball. He is FAR too reliant on dumping off to the RB if Mason is covered.

While Minny is a very good D they weren’t showing it early in the season and the weakest part of their defense is guarding the pass. Throwing on them isn’t something to write home about. I like Flacco. I don’t know how many times I have to say that but he has a VERY bright future I just don’t think he has the weapons there…its been this way for a decade in Baltimore. When are they going to go out there and get themselves a premier WR? I know they tried to get TO back in the day but this D just isn’t studly enough to win without a better offense these days.

The offense looked straight up awful against the Browns…the same browns that the LIONS put up like 38 on the next week. You can’t watch the Ravens/Browns game and then the Lions/Browns game and not wonder what is wrong with the Ravens offense. YOu just can’t. They should have been able to throw it all over the field and they just couldn’t.

by TrevorR on Dec 3, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

not like flacco threw for 289 yards and a TD against pittsburgh

and its not like he has a QB rating of 90.2 or anything…

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 4, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You are missing my point.

I am talking about the way he looked and you are throwing statistics at me. I can throw statistics at you to argue a point that Rodgers is the best QB in the league. If you watch him, he’s not there yet, but the stats show he is.

My point is that Flacco is still slow to make reads, he (like Rodgers and Big Ben) hangs onto the ball too long, and he’s far too reliant on two players. The other think you missed is that I am really high on Flacco. I think he’s got a bright future ahead and its about time the Ravens get a good young QB in there.

Honestly 289, 1 TD, and a 90.2 QB rating are decent but not mind blowing numbers. He was also facing a Pitt D without Palomalu out there and we all know that D is a shell of itself without him (amazing how much of an impact he makes to that team).

by TrevorR on Dec 4, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm not saying you're flacco hater

there aren’t many anyways, but I’m just saying he’s had games where he’s put up big numbers this year.

We’re probably splitting hairs here. I’m not that guy who thinks Flacco is Drew Brees already. I agree that at times he seems to take a long time to make decisions, but then again our receivers aren’t great and we can’t very well see what’s going on in the coverage from our TV screens.

I throw numbers at you because they matter. While I agree that there’s no substitute for actually watching a team, I think the QB rating lets you know that he’s on a very good pace, learning-wise.

Who knows, maybe that rock-solid Lambeau ground will make him cough the ball up. That’s my main worry. I’m not saying he’s invincible, but I think that many people have overestimated the problems that this offense has had. They’re still growing into their shoes with Flacco and he’s hard to predict on a game-to-game basis.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 4, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Besides , we were lucky to play

Cleve-less twice and put up 34 the first time, so the 16 we scored had a specific reason behind it and that was not to reveal anything special ahead of the Steelers game so we just put a vanilla offense out there.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Dec 7, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We'll we play the Lions twice...

But did you see what Stafford and the Lions did the week before they played the Packers?! It was against the Browns, but holy cow, they produced. I think the two Lions games are offset by the two Vikings games. I’m not completely familiar with your schedule, but have you played an offense as potent as the Vikings, or even the Cowboys for that matter? And Chicago was alot more dangerous when we played them in week 1, before the whole team got injured.

We both lost to Cincy, you guys did twice.
We both beat the Browns, and you guys get that cupcake twice.

And if you’re ever a fan of football, you take your bragging when you can get it in! I agree that we might not be the best defense in the league for the season, but as of right now, we are, so I’m taking what I can get.

by StephanL on Dec 3, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They actually did play the Vikings. They gave them a run for their money with a 4th qtr comeback.

by TrevorR on Dec 3, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Duh Moment

Haha. I can’t believe I forgot that game! We’ve still played them twice, and the Cowboys. That’s three premier offenses that more than make up for the three cupcake offenses we’ve played (maybe 4, Lions, Lions, Rams, Browns) Like I said though, Stafford wailed on the Browns and looked like a total stud before Thanksgiving.

I think the bottom line is that every team plays weak teams. It’s just the way the league works.

by StephanL on Dec 3, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

we've only lost to 1st place ones so far

and I’m sure you have no doubt that you’ll break that tend this monday.

And honestly the fact that they’re good teams that beat us doesn’t make me feel any better about our 5 losses. Just like you shouldn’t feel like you owe back any of your easy wins. you won them fair and square and you’re in good shape right now. But I’m seeing a trend develop here: Packers fans convinced that Ravens fans don’t know enough about their team to realize how outmatched they are, confronted with Ravens fans (mostly me) who have similar sentiments going the other way…

I think at this point we’ve covered most of the bases that we can objectively cover and from here on out it’s just gonna be a homer battle until our teams go out there and settle it on monday night… I can’t wait and I’m sure y’all can’t either.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 4, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like a good homer battle

But we’re first place in the wild card so if you lose you can use that argument still

by Donald Driver on Dec 4, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

if we lose we might be done

if you lose you still have a shot.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 4, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If we lose we'd probably still make it

Just based on the statuses of the Falcons and Giants-they are not good right now as in Chris Redman starting against the Eagles not good.

by Donald Driver on Dec 4, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Evenely matched schedules...

The ravens lost to Cincy twice
We lost to the Vikes twice====wash

Ravens lost to Vikes
We lost to Cincy====wash

Ravens beat Steelers- heated Rival
We beat the Bears- Heated Rival-I dont expect you to understand how the Bears and Steelers are comparable but they are our rivals both teams play eachother with everything they have just as the Steelers with you. And the Bears did beat the Steelers=wash

Ravens beat Browns twice
We beat the Lions twice. =wash

The rest of the schedule could be hard to compare because of the way teams were playing at the time.. You beat a down SD team. And lost to NE, and Indy. We beat a hot at the time DAL team you beat a hot at the time DEN team. We beat a confident SF team. But we lost to coming off a bye team TB…

 If you want to compare schedules we have both have had very similiar games. Cupcake games and some good Ws and Ls. But to argue either teams strength of schedule would be wrong. These two teams are evenly matched IMO. It should be a great game

by bizzle4 on Dec 4, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Simple

We only lost to 1st place teams. You lost to a winless one. Zing!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Dec 7, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

based on Yards

I am a Packer fan, but be careful, we are 4th in points allowed.

We don’t give up many yards because the other team starts at our 46 yd line.

Horrible stat to judge our defense on. We are good, but not the best yet.

by Acme on Dec 3, 2009 10:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If you consider points though...

…than the defense gets penalized for special teams touchdowns and also interceptions and fumble recovery touchdowns (the offense commits). That said, yards are better measure than points.

If you really want a precise analytical method for rating a defense, look at the DVOA. By the way, the Packers defense has been #1 by that ranking system for weeks.

by StephanL on Dec 4, 2009 12:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Where do you see that?

From where I am looking we’ve allowed 215 points this year which puts us at 12 best in the league. I guess I don’t see where you are coming from. We’ve had some TERRIBLE games for points against us (Bengals, Vikes, Bucs) but plenty of great ones too.

Where are you seeing 4th in points allowed???

by TrevorR on Dec 4, 2009 8:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

First the Tampa game…
1 TD was a blocked punt returned for a TD
1 TD was a 35 yard INT return for a TD to seal the game
1 TD was an 8 yard drive that followed a long kickoff return
1 TD was a 17 yard drive that followed a long punt return

If you plan on getting lucky like that, then yeah you’ll beat us. If the team plays another game like that, they’ll NEVER win. Lets recap, that is 28 points with exactly 25 yards allowed by the defense. :-)

Next point, Flacco DOES get rattled. I’ve watched a LOT of Ravens games. He looked AWFUL in the Browns game. Its probably the worst game I’ve seen him play (he’s my backup in FF…backing up Favre of all players…ugh). They got pressure on him and his passes were off and he looked terrible. I like Flacco though, and I think he’ll be a very good QB in this league…and man is he tall!

I think you are right about how the Ravens would win though…its going to come down to Rice. In fact, Iwould give up coverage on the 2/3 guys just to shut down Rice. I think you take away rice and mason and Flacco would fold hardcore (as would most QBs) I think the Packers can do that but they’ll really have to execute to perfection!

by TrevorR on Dec 2, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think he got rattled, I think they gave him really elementary reads because they had Indy coming up the next week. Notice how they ran the same routes over and over again?

The only game he got rattled in was the second Cincy game. THEN he made some really bad idea throws, and he could have easily notched 4 picks in that game (although I think he only threw two).

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 2, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Any Ravens fans can point to specific plays

that changed the game and call them lucky or the one play that made the difference. Point is you lost to Tampa and that gives us hope that we can win.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Dec 2, 2009 7:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Right

And it’s not so much luck but more just our special teams playing poorly. I guess Rodgers pick 6 was a tipped pass so you could consider it a bit lucky, but all those other mishaps are just because of poor play.

I think the point we’re trying to make is our defense has looked much more vulnerable at times because of the units failing around them. We’ve heard the whole “you guys have played such a weak schedule” thing every week now, and while that’s true, we can only play who they schedule us too.

by packallday555 on Dec 2, 2009 10:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

there is no luck, just W's and L's.

We get unlucky all the time on calls and bad breaks in games, but we still have an L from when we played New England and Cincy, etc.

We’re not taking anything away from your achievements up to this point, we’re just saying that you still have a lot of work to do and the Monday night game should be very evenly matched between both offenses and defenses.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 2, 2009 11:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Fine then

If we have to win on Special Teams, think we Ravens fans care? Think we felt bad we had to beat the Steelers w/o Ben? No.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Dec 7, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I get that…the point is that it was flukey game and not the kind of game that would happen again. People act like the Bucs handed our asses to us on a platter and they are the ones that didn’t watch the game. We were up BIG for most of the game and then a series of crazy things happened. They beat us…we were all shocked…but its not like they handled us. Its not like we completely couldn’t handle them or something. That was my point.

by TrevorR on Dec 2, 2009 11:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

sure

you get a mulligan on that one. Every team has that game where everything that could possible go wrong goes wrong. But that doesn’t change the fact that it happened.

Nobody here is arguing that TB is better than GB. But strange things happen in football and the ravens have a few guys who seem to make strange things happen. Obviously we can go back and forth on this but I’m just stating the case that we will at the very least cause serious problems on Monday and at most we will leave town with the W.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 2, 2009 11:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think we are on the same page…we aren’t trying to say that it didn’t happen but people are putting WAY too much into that game. The people that didn’t watch it look at it and act like they destroyed us when it really came down to poor execution and a great job by them of capitalizing.

MY point here is that you can’t look to that game and say,
that the packers are clearly a poor team cause they lost the Bucs…its just shoddy “sportscenter” kind of commenting where you just look at the final score and make an assessment rather than looking at the actual game. It was an embarrassing game but the team has responded and is playing some of their best ball right now. I just don’t see the Ravens leaving the game with a W. I think you are SERIOUS underestimating this team…

by TrevorR on Dec 3, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I mean I saw the Dallas game

so I respect the Pack this year. But I think both teams have a lot in common in that they have a lot to prove and a lot to play for at this stage in the season.

We’ve talked ourselves to death about each team’s strengths and weaknesses, I’m about ready for it to be monday… (I’ve also been awake since wednesday studying… And i’m probably going to go take a 14-hr nap now…)

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 4, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

right on…is it Monday yet? haha

by TrevorR on Dec 4, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

don’t wake me up for anything less important than “ITS MONDAY AT 830!” or “TIGER WOODS IS IN JAIL FOR A TRIPLE HOMICIDE ACCORDING TO JACKSON COUNTY POLICE IN MISSISSIPPI.”

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 4, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

what about naked ladies?!?! ;-)

by TrevorR on Dec 4, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you have more than hope.

I think this will be a very close game. I don’t think the Packers hold any edge besides home field advantage, and cofidence on a winning streak. The Ravens are one of the toughest teams out there, they’ll play 4 quarters and seize opportunites. I see the Ravens special teams unit making this game really interesting. I just wish the Packers had a special teams unit.

by StephanL on Dec 3, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

lardarius webb is really exciting

i’d love to see him take another one to the house, but you can never go into a game relying on THAT to score points…

But hey, whatever happens happens. Hopefully Dominique Foxworth doesn’t get completely clowned again this week…

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 4, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How is Harris a shutdown Corner?

When teams go after him instead of Woodson? Al Harris is good, but he’s not shutdown and is HIGHLY overrated.

by Jabooty on Dec 5, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

He hasn’t been as good the last couple of years and it’s been evident in the way teams go at him. Teams even went at him more then they went at Williams..His physical abilities have declined a bit and the zone coverages really weren’t suiting him well.

by packallday555 on Dec 5, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll take Harris on the Ravens right now

and he can start opposite Webb in place of Foxworth!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Dec 7, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Al Harris

Al Harris is not the ideal 3-4 CB. He is a decent but overrated CB in the 4-3 though. I liked him at the time, but Woodson should have gotten the Pro Bowl nomination in 2007. Harris is very physical, so that helps him play man to man.

by Jabooty on Dec 2, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We have

been playing more and more man on man coverage as of late. The CBs are not always bumping in man but they have been mixing it up playing on the line and letting WRs release to a zone while other times staying and playing man on them

by bizzle4 on Dec 2, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Feel free to dump Harris after the season

I’d grab him for te Ravens as we can add depth like the Saints did with McAlister and McKenzie. Woodson is among te best in the league, no matter what anyone says, regardless of his age.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Dec 2, 2009 7:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would think that he would definately start for you guys

easily if he can recover from his surgery. But no team would ever give up a top-flight corner like Harris for nothing, replacement in place or not.

by Donald Driver on Dec 3, 2009 6:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

McGahee for Harris? Both are at the end of their primes but both have a lot left in the tank, and both fill a crucial hole for the other team and neither team plays each other next year…

I’m probably dreaming here but I thought I’d throw it out there. If that suggestion is entirely asinine, I’ll blame it on having been awake studying for the last 48 hours, no exaggeration…

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 4, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hmmm nope.

Harris for Suggs please.

by Donald Driver on Dec 4, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

if Ozzie made that trade he would be the “town idiot” in the NFL for the rest of his career.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 4, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously?

Suggs is 27 and in the prime of his career, while Harris will be 35 years old next season and will be coming off major surgery. He’s as well-conditioned athlete as any, but you’ll never get comparable value for Harris in his current physical condition and advanced age, much less a major talent in Suggs.

Godspeed...

by _William_ on Dec 4, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He's only 25?

Jesus it seems like he’s been around forever, I could’ve sworn he was on the Super Bowl. Also, you said he’s fallen off this year so I figured he was old. Still though, I don’t think that one bad trade could ruin Ozzie’s reputation, it’s pretty ridiculous.

by Donald Driver on Dec 4, 2009 7:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There is NO way we get a player like Suggs for Harris.

by TrevorR on Dec 5, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

Harris for Willis is a pretty fair trade. Willis is younger with more left in the tank but has a bigger contract while Harris is older and has a great resume’.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Dec 7, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This is good

Woodson and Tramon do a great job of trailing the WR their covering and baiting Qb’s into throws. Plus it makes things a bit more difficult on opposing Qb’s. When the blitz comes it makes things much more difficult on you as a Qb having to take the time to decipher between man or zone coverage.

by packallday555 on Dec 2, 2009 10:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

oh how quickly fans fall in love with the 34

its a beautiful thing when executed correctly. It’s pretty horrific if not (i.e., Cleveland).

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 2, 2009 11:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah Cleveland really isn’t doing well with it. I think part of their problem is that they would go out and get new players that didn’t even know the system. I remember they grabbed Rodgers and Williams in big trades and neither had played in that system. If you are going to go after FA, at least go after guys that will be successful in it! You also need good coaching for it to work and I don’t think they have ANY of that in Cleveland! haha

by TrevorR on Dec 3, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I just think its funny

they had Cromeo, who provided irrefutable empirical evidence that the Browns cannot run a 34, and so when they fire their coach, who is the guy they reflexively sign without hesitation?

Another New England 34 retread.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 4, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

One thing I've always wondered

Do Ravens fans just consist of people in Baltimore and randoms or is there a contigent in Cleveland who moved with the team initially?

by Donald Driver on Dec 4, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

woah...

ask that question in a cleveland bar and I can’t guarantee your safety.

I can tell you that exchanges with Browns fans regarding the Ravens generally lose their civilty very quickly. Even if a guy decides not to pick a fight with me, i can see that glare in his eye and I know that he really wants to punch me.

You’d have to ask the Browns bloggers for a better answer to that but my guess is that they would just ban you from their blog and return to the most awe-inspiring self-hatred pity-party that has ever existed in a sports fanbase.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 4, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well yeah I got that

I was just wondering if there was a contingent. You sound like you’re from Cleveland after all.

by Donald Driver on Dec 4, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hey i wish we had Nolan again this year

Mattison hasn’t been bad as of late, but the on-the-job training wasn’t a ton of fun. Nothing burns more than hearing semi-informed football fans tell me (in a friendly manner) that the Ravens defense is so sick. Like, no. Not exactly right now. We have our flashes, and we’ll need one such flash against GB, but I we seem to be a B+ to A- defense right now.

It’s OK. Soon they’ll hire me as DC, and I’ll invent the 11-man-52-blob formation (or you could just call my scHematics “IT” because “IT” will revolutionize foobtlla in ways that never previously in which the entire defense just morphs around pre-snap before returning to their actual defensive assignments when the ball is snapped.

The key concept here is to generate a befuddled offense so that Aaron Rogers can hear on his earpiece “—SCCHRR…fuzz… They’re doing the blob… wait!… Ray Lewis just ate some grass! It’s a zone blitz! Dump to Grant ASAP!”

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 4, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

wow the spelling errors of a man who jus woke up at 1030

ON A WEDNESDAY

I’m at that phase right now where every beer feels like a xanax and my eyes can’t lock onto single colors…

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 4, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm more in disarray about my house's situation than about being hungover

We had kegs last night and it’s like it’s impossible for people to not spill beer and ash on my kitchen floor. They also don’t know how to throw a goddamn cup away when the garbage is RIGHT THERE. I blame them flatlanders (illinois people, also known as FIBS). It’s um, Friday by the way.

by Donald Driver on Dec 4, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What beer do they drink out there in GB area?

Do you have to drink Milwaukee’s Best, or are you “allowed” to stray?

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Dec 7, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Here we go!

1.) Well too start I should probably tell you that Kampman is out for the year with a torn ACL. But he had been adapting to the 3-4 decently. He always looked pretty good rushing the Qb but he was noticeably uncomfortable dropping into the flats trying to run with Rbs and Te’s.

2.) I think Ryan Grant is a solid back but nothing more. He has been very inconsistent this year, as well as our o-line. I don’t think if he gets stuffed it will necessarily be a problem because McCarthy tends to abandon the pass game nearly every week. Of course him being able to do some damage in the run game would help out our passing game but I just have a hard time seeing him doing well against you guys.

3.) Tramon Williams is the player that has replaced Harris, and he has fared pretty well. Before Harris went down, we ran a nickel package the majority of the time on defense with Tramon Williams and Al Harris on the outsides, and had Woodson play in the slot. I think I saw somewhere that prior to Harris going down we had been in nickel defense like 65% of the time. So though Williams wasn’t technically a starter, he played a considerable amount. He is a talented kid and has been pretty good for us since last year.

I’ve got some questions for you now if you don’t mind.

1.) In watching your game last night, I noticed that Carr (no idea what his first name is) was playing on the outside. But you guys were in a dime defense, so I’m wondering if he is one of your starters? I know he used to play for the Titans and I remember teams constantly going at him, and usually having success doing so. Does he start for you guys, and if so, has he improved?

2.) The second question I have is about your pass rush. How has the absence of Suggs effected you? (If it at all has) In the games I’ve watched of you guys I’ve been pretty impressed with Johnson (think his first name is Jarret, but I’m not sure) coming off the edge.

3.) My third question comes from me going and seeing the movie “The Blindside” thanksgiving day. I don’t know if you’ve seen it but I’m sure you have heard the stories. I thought it was a great movie and really a truly inspiring story. So with that, I want to ask you about Michael Oher. I watched him play against the Vikings against Jared Allen, and he really pretty much shut him down aside from one sack by Allen that looked like a blown assignment. Is he starting for you on the o-line anywhere? From watching the game last I saw that Gaither was at LT and thought I saw Oher at RT but could never see whether or not it was him because of the camera angles.

by packallday555 on Nov 30, 2009 5:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

This is why I like this blog

I’ve read many many sports blogs, and the best thing about this blogs and others in the sb nation is the lack of adult children posting and the abundance of people who actually enjoy discussing football. I’ve learned more about the state of our team here than every announcer in every game I’ve ever watched.

So, welcome Jackmca, and let’s see if I have any insights.

1. One thing that has been mentioned a lot about our outside backers is the strength of our teams defensive concept is it’s flexibility. Kampman brought a lot of pressure, but his weakness in the pass coverage kind of weakened the overall concept. It doesn’t matter if you get to the passer if he’s already dumped it off to the back you just couldn’t keep up with. Given you strength in this area, and the likelihood woodson will be keying off where your moving Rice, I think losing him, at least for this game, is bringing more of our strengths to the front.

2. The thing I hate seeing with Ryan Grant is he really is a pretty decent back. Top 10 in the league, no. But can he burn you, absolutely. The problem is people when they look at a back aren’t looking enough at the oline. It isn’t a miracle that grant started getting 100 yard games when we settled into a better oline. It also isn’t unusual that before we locked down some of our better players on that oline, far too often you where seeing him get stuffed with oline men just staring as their blockers passed and tackled him. I don’t care how good you are, if your oline just isn’t producing, you aren’t going to be a good back. Could he be a problem for you? Only if you start to over focus on the pass rush and the secondary coverage. That’s when Grant starts ripping off some yardage.

3. Williams is a very good corner back who simply wasn’t in the top two spots because we had two of the best corners in the league. Let’s put it this way, if Woodson went down you would see a lot more doomsday posts. Harris is good, but really what his injury does is cut down our options when we get to having a nickle type situation. A team that runs almost a spread offense like Indy could have a field day against that. A run first team with a couple decent passing options isn’t going to have as much of an advantage.

I have to say, I’m more worried about the Ravens than I am the Steelers. The steelers haven’t been playing so well, the Ravens have had some moments of brilliance this season that was simply hidden by the fact they got beat in a few close games. I guess we’ll see. A good portion of the games I thought I could predict this year turned out the opposite of what I thought was going to happen. Looking on just stats is really not a good way to see what’s going to happen. How fired up the team is coming out of the gates and going into the second half is often far more predictive.

by azreal60 on Nov 30, 2009 6:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

i had about 5 people remind me about kampman being IR, which I forgot about but did know about… so that’s my bad…

The steelers are the better team when Polamalu and Roethlisberger are playing (which they aren’t), but the Ravens have the better offense and are improving on defense.

The Ravens are a bit of an enigma at this point, as they’ve had inexplicable lapses at certain points. One alibi we have is that all 5 of our losses were against first-place teams. That doesn’t make me feel any better about our 5 losses (two to cincy) but it should serve as some evidence to you that we are capable of playing much better than we have at certain points. If the Ravens bring their “A” game, they can certainly compete with just about anybody. (Thing is, we’d rather win than just compete.)

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 1, 2009 12:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

to answer your questions

1) Chris Carr, #25, is our nickel now that Fabian Washington is out for the year (thank God). Carr was a horrendous liability early in the year but he has improved somewhat. He is still not a great tackler and despite his athleticism he isn’t great in coverage either. But he’s better than Frank Walker. (this is why you guys should run a lot of 3 and 4 wide sets, because it keeps our scrubs on the field.)

2) Suggs was underperforming badly this year. Our pass rush wasn’t great with him (he had 2 sacks i believe) and it hasn’t been great without him. It may be hard to believe, but there hasn’t been much of a difference overall. In recent games we’ve looked slightly better. While we don’t always get the sack, we can usually manage to collapse the pocket and force a QB to run. I understand that Rogers is quite good in this regard so we’ll need to step it up against your sub-par O-Line and sack him early and often.

3) Oher has started at RT and a couple of games at LT (when Gaither was hurt). Most fans consider Oher to be better than Gaither already—better footwork and a killer instinct—but Gaither got his starting job back once he recovered from his injury. Oher has been excellent and will probably be in the ROY discussion even though he probably won’t win it. But to answer your question, Oher starts at RT and is an absolute beast. He seems to have more trouble blocking LBs who get running starts, but he can pretty much eat any 43 DE (i would refer you to Jared Allen’s defensive and immature comments following the Ravens-Vikings game).

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 1, 2009 12:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Jared Allen and immature comments? Nooooooo! I can’t imagine that :)

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Dec 1, 2009 8:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

“i beat him like a red-headed stepchild” —Jared Allen on Michael Oher.

No, Jared. One sack on a play when Oher didn’t even touch you does not qualify as beating him “like a red-headed stepchild.”

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 1, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha yeah

I saw those comments. Absolutely ridiculous. Oher really handled him all game but Allen’s ego just couldn’t handle that.

by packallday555 on Dec 1, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I dispise Jarad Allen.

Good motor, but he’s dirty and runs his mouth too much.

by StephanL on Dec 1, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I know

There isn’t a more dirty player in the NFL right now.

by packallday555 on Dec 1, 2009 10:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That is a huge overstatement. He’s not a dirty player…I’ve never seen him play dirty and in a league that has Albert Haynesworth in it, that statement can never be true.

by TrevorR on Dec 2, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What!?

Are you being sarcastic haha? You’ve never seen Allen play dirty? Did you see his hits on Schaub and Rodgers last year?

by packallday555 on Dec 2, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

whatever

everyone does that stuff. I’m a ravens fan so I won’t call Allen dirty. But I will call him a baby.

Open letter to Jared Allen: a rookie owned you. Get over it.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 2, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You never saw his cheap shots on any QB apparently. I guess you don’t see too many Minnesota games in Baltimore. Trust us, he’s DIRTY!

by Jabooty on Dec 2, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Who would freezeing snow help more?

Rice is a speed back, and some speed guys suffer in cold weather. I feel like Grant might be highly effective in the snow, but I he could completely stick too…. from what I remember though, he’s been good in the snow.

by StephanL on Dec 2, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

bad weather tends to help home teams

but Rice has very good ball security. That’s my main concern when we talk about the snow: cold and numb fingers translate into fumbles, so I don’t want Willis to get many touches.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 2, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, back in the old days

Gale Sayers and OJ Simpson suffered in the cold in Detroit and Buffalo, huh?

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Dec 2, 2009 7:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well

It’s not like it’s cold up there all year. Also, there are always players who just defy intuition.

by StephanL on Dec 3, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Chicago

Still cold – and outside.

by Doogie on Dec 5, 2009 1:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah buddy.

He’s hard worker, but he gets really sloppy and careless when he gets upset. Early this season he was ranting in interviews about how he was going to kill Aaron Rodgers. And how Rodgers better look out beacuse he was going to get a helmet to the spine.

The guy is straight up dirty. I thought it was great when that Lions lineman took a shot at his knee last year. He got super pissed and ran his mouth about it for ever. He got a taste of his own medicine.

by StephanL on Dec 2, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The guy is straight up dirty. I thought it was great when that Lions lineman took a shot at his knee last year. He got super pissed and ran his mouth about it for ever. He got a taste of his own medicine.

Haha ya as bad as this sounds I was happy to see it as well. It was great to see the look on his face after Cherilus hit him in the knee. I wish I was there on the sideline to tell him, “Yep, doesn’t feel so good when your the victim does it?”

by packallday555 on Dec 2, 2009 10:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Flacco

I have not really watched much Ravens football this year last year I paid attention to Flacco. Is he progressing or regressing like Matt Ryan, I havent checked any stats so far normally I do that on thursday when I do my pick em picks but anyway that my only question

"Lifes three important things Family, Religon, and The Green Bay Packers."-Vince Lombardi

by Pack_man12 on Nov 30, 2009 7:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

his QB rating is a 90.2 and he’s on pace to throw for 3900 yards, so i’d say that’s progress. He’s had multiple games with over 350 yards passing. He isn’t quite an elite passer yet, but you can see him getting there and he can have moments where he is extremely dangerous.

In my humble (though biased) opinion, he is definitely better than Ryan at this point as he has superior physical skills and Ryan’s numbers have regressed.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 1, 2009 12:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it’s near criminal for any Quarterback’s numbers o go down AFTER your team acquires a player like Tony Gonzalez, much less supposedly the next Peyton Manning in Matt Ryan.

So yeah, I think Flaccos passed Ryan at this point.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Dec 1, 2009 1:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

my main argument for flacco being better than ryan

is that he’s done more with less and he’s come through in incredibly clutch situations.

Ryan pretty much laid an egg in last year’s playoffs while Flacco—though his numbers weren’t great—managed drives and made plays to put the ravens in position to beat the regular-season-best Titans.

Aside from that, Flacco has done more with less this year. Ryan is throwing to Gonzo and White—if Flacco had those two the Ravens would be a one or two loss team.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 1, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Flacco's issues have been

throwing picks in the Red zone. He’s done so at NE, home against Cicny and Indy. all three games were decided by less than a TD, so say what you want about that costing the game.

Nice to see my guy, jackma, hitting it square on the head on your questions. The one thing I haven’t seen written about and wondering is: This is the very first nighttime game in December EVER in Packers history! I know it’s freezing for day games in December in Green Bay, but what will it be like on Monday night and how do you expect it to affect the Ravens, much less your Pack? Thanks and stop by BaltimoreBeatdown!

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Dec 2, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well

we do have the frozen tundra hopefully the team can get back the legacy of it. But just looking at the forecast it isnt suppose to to be too bad… 20s with a chance of snow. Usually the weather is not too bad here in WI until late december and January when you get bitter cold and wind chills that lead to negatives. So the cold shouldnt be a factor for either team. Unless it does snow and is a wet snow.

by bizzle4 on Dec 2, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Who does the snow and cold hurt more?

Rice is a speed back, and some speed guys suffer in cold weather. I feel like Grant might be highly effective in the snow, but I he could completely stick too…. from what I remember though, he’s been good in the snow.

by StephanL on Dec 2, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

bad weather tends to help home teams

but at the same time, bad weather hurts passing games and helps defenses create turnovers so its hard to say. The packers are more used to playing in that environment, so they’d probably get the weather edge.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 2, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Rice played four years at Rutgers

in the Big East and didn’t suffer so bad in a lot of bad weather games in New England. Nope won’t matter to him, but the guy I’d worry about is how Flacco holds onto the ball as well as the wideouts and kick returners.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Dec 2, 2009 7:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That kind of stuff doesn’t always matter though. During his glory years, Favre was GREAT in the cold and he was warm weather southern boy! You never know how a player is going to do in the bad weather.

by TrevorR on Dec 2, 2009 11:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yep

and Flacco already has fumbling issues.

This offseason my priority list for Flacco to work on is:

1a) DON’T FUMBLE THE DAMN BALL!!!!
     1b) Learning to feel the rush will help.
2) Deliver the ball lower so that receivers can catch and run.
3) Spread the ball to more receivers (this is progressing steadily though)…

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 2, 2009 11:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Grant

In November and December Grant has increased in all his numbers. He has more tds, yards, yards per carry, receptions, recieving yards, tds. So I would say he fares well in the cold.

by bizzle4 on Dec 2, 2009 5:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I thought

But I wasn’t certain.

Grant is just a tough-guy. No fancy moves, no killer speed, just hard reliable running. I’d love to have a spell back with some of those killer moves and speed though! (ala T. Sutton?) :(

by StephanL on Dec 2, 2009 7:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Just my take

1) Kampman is a 4 point stance guy, his pass rushing skills speak for themselves. His coverage skills as an OLB are average or slighly below. Brad Jones is doing well, especially in coverage. Kampman in a 43 was my favorite ( I have a jersey of course) but in a 3-4 he gets pressure but as someone mention above—- a quick dump off pass burns him.

2) I am not a huge Grant fan but I can’t really complain. He is good for 1100 yrds a year and he does not fumble often. He burns teams that say "oooo, let’s pressure Rodgers and stop that passing game " He is 6 foot and over 200lbs, and usually falls forward. The times he is stopped in the backfield—- he still is at least falling forward. I think just his consistancy in terms of always making his presence known to defenses is good. They don’t have to game plan for him, but the running game is honest. San Fran is 5th in rushing defense and dude put 129 yrds up on them. I actually think Baltimore is going to game plan on the passing game and Grant will post 100yrs on em (hope) ( I am a Lambaugh faithful so I have to stay positive)

3) Ah, the best for last Tramon williams will fill in nicely for Harris. I am sold on this kid. He filled in for Al last year and put up like 5 interceptions in like 6 or 7 games. At Detroit ( yeah, I know it’s Detroit) He ran a comeback route better than the intended receiver for another INT. And with Nick Collins behind him, he has no trust issues. Normally I would freak at Al’s injury but Tramon is doing really good.

As a side note, I also think Brandon Chillar is going to be really healthy for this game(really good in coverage). Another side note—- I don’t see anyone running the ball up the middle on us, my evidence of this is no team has done so yet. I guess my biggest impression has been going from 26th in rushing defense to 4th with basicly the same players. I have huge respect for Dom Capers now.

by turd on Dec 1, 2009 4:02 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Respect for Dom.

I agree. Everyone should be ponying up some respect for the Dom.

by StephanL on Dec 1, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We all now know the Pack's "D" is #1

but the Ravens have allowed the second least points the last six or seven games (11.5) in the league and are now up to #10 overall. Missing Suggs hurts, as he was getting double teamed allthe time and without a pass rush, we will be toasted by your great receivers. But if we can get pressure on Aaron, I can see us staying in the game or even winning it, as Cincy did earlier this season.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Dec 2, 2009 11:13 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Cincy

That was WAY early in the season though, I think this is a slightly different team since then. They’ve figured a few things out (quick passes, screens, dumpoffs, better blocking), so I don’t think it will be like it was early this year. The D is also MUCH more stout right now than it was then.

by TrevorR on Dec 2, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

we're all different from then

Back then the ravens D looked awful. You could pass for 300 yards in your sleep. Now we get pressure and collapse pockets and force early throws. We’re not quite what we used to be with our pass rush—but its getting better rather than worse. I disagree with Bruce’s assessment that losing suggs has hurt us. Our pass rush has looked pretty much identical since we lost him, and it even improved a bit against Pitt (but Dixon was fast enough to avoid the sacks).

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 2, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

GB has one impressive win this year

Over the Cowboys, who have looked horrible and then barely beat the Deadskins in Dallas the next week. Romo has looked horrible and their defense has suffered. Wins like the Pack has had just do not strike fear into the Ravens. That said, if we don’t bring it, there’s no reason you can’t win. But as a three point favorite at home, that’s the oddsmakers saying this is basically a pick-em game.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Dec 2, 2009 7:59 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

From a Ravens point of view

whomever plays better will obviously win. However, any Ravens fan truly believes if both teams play to the best of their potential, the Ravens will win, as they are the better team on both sides of the ball. Obviously, GB fans will feel differently.

None of this matters as there will be a few key plays that will determine this game and treat the nation to a great MNF contest.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Dec 2, 2009 8:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I just don’t see how you think the Ravens are better on both sides of the ball…there are certain places where you are but looking at performance clearly shows its just not true. I guess homerism runs rampant sometimes.

I can usually admit when a team is better somewhere…

by TrevorR on Dec 2, 2009 11:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I can admit when other teams are better.

I’d admit that Rodgers is better than Flacco (for now) although Flacco is no slouch.

I’d also admit that the Packers’ receivers are, quite obviously, much much better than ours.

But we’re absolutely stacked at running back and if when everything clicks properly I think we’re better all-around. While each facet of our game has looked spectacular at points, we’ve yet to really put it all together in one game. Even still, we’ve only lost to first-place teams.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 2, 2009 11:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

QB – Packers (while I like Flacco I think he has a long way to go before catching Rodgers)
RB – Ravens (I like all three of your backs more than Grant…though Grant is running well lately)
WR – Packers (By a country mile)
Oline – Ravens (I don’t know a ton about your Oline…but I know enough about ours to know that it HAS to be better)
Dline – TIE (I think they are both VERY strong with impressive playmakers on both sides)
LBackers – Ravens (But only a slight edge due to experience with the sytem, your group has lost some to FA and injury and I like the packers group here)
CB – Packers (No competition here)
S – Ravens (not a huge gap but Reed makes all the difference here)

So yeah its pretty close, the two teams have very different strengths. Honestly I don’t know why the Ravens don’t rely more on running and using two back sets and pounding with Willis and LaRon and then featuring Rice as a scatback and receiver…could be VERY dangerous. I feel like they want to be a passing team even though they don’t have the weapons for it.

Will be interesting to see how the Packer offense plays against a top notch 3-4…at least they will know better how to suceed against it.

by TrevorR on Dec 3, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

FINLEY

not one mention on this whole entire board about Finley.

When he is healthy we run better and pass better. Nobody on the Ravens can guard Finley, and if he is guarded we can throw to Jennings, Driver, Jones or Lee.

jackmca, I apologize that my fellow Packer Backers have not brought Jermichael Finley to your attention as of yet, but he will make your defense very very sad on Monday night.

Our defense is is very good, NOT great, and your defense is very good, NOT great anymore.

Even with Ray Rice (who I love and think is 2nd to Chris Johnson in the NFL right now), your offense is not even close to ours.

If our special teams sucks, it will be a close game, if they play well and don’t make any stupid mistakes we will win by at least 10 points.

wait, I forgot, they do crappy when I think they will win. Packers will lose by 7.

F-ing Packers!!!

by Acme on Dec 3, 2009 10:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Finley has been very good for us this year and really has improved our offense, as has the return of Nelson.

I think our offense is much better then the Ravens as well, but it’s not like that’s a bad thing because when our o-line is able to block for Rodgers we can have just as an explosive offense as any offense in the league.

by packallday555 on Dec 3, 2009 11:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Gosh I like that kid.

Finley is a great asset to the team. He really keeps the defense honest. And I’m really sick of seeing Lee drop so many balls, put Havner in there already at #2. (Finley #1 of course!)

by StephanL on Dec 4, 2009 12:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Lee is out there for his blocking more than his receiving abilities.

by TrevorR on Dec 4, 2009 8:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Only problem is he isn’t very good at blocking either…

by packallday555 on Dec 4, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

OVERLOAD BLITZ ON LEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

skye. I’m sure the strategy is a bit more complex than that

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 4, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry all

I was strictly talking about the trenches. I wasn’t overconfident and stupid enough to say our offense and passing game compares to the Pack’s, but do believe our o-line and d-lines are better than GB’s. The d-line may be debateable but not the o-line and I’ll still take our current d-line over the current GB one w/o Kampman.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Dec 7, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to hear your argument for the Ravens being better on either side of the ball

I don’t know the Ravens that well but it just doesn’t seem that way. But by your guys’s comments, I would think that you don’t really understand Aaron Rodgers’s effect on a game. Now, we really should’ve mentioned this before honestly. The publicity goes to the often poor offensive line play, but it honestly doesn’t put a huge dent into our offensive production. Rodgers is simply just that ridiculous (his mobility really helps) that if it’s necessary, then we will blast down the field no matter what defense is facing us. I know that you Ravens fans put a lot of stock in your defense, but no one’s really stopped our offense this season and I don’t think that will change against the Ravens. The reason I think we will win is that I simply don’t think that Flacco has that ability. I don’t have a problem with the Ravens not being afraid of the Pack, they’ll be plenty impressed enough after the game I think.

by Donald Driver on Dec 3, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like your enthusiasm

But I think the game will be closer than that. Remember, Flacco is a 2nd year starter, just like Rodgers. He’s no sloutch.

by StephanL on Dec 3, 2009 10:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

my argument is there above.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 4, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

in any event

it doesn’t matter anymore.

We’ve covered all the material that we can cover objectively as fans. From here on out its just us telling each other that we’re better than one another until Monday comes around and one team proves it.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 4, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

my brother can beat up your brother...

:)

Have fun watching the game and we appreciate the nice conversations about our football teams.

good stuff jackmca.

by Acme on Dec 5, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

See my response above

about meaning specifically the trenches, not the overall better on both sides…

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Dec 7, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The same deadskins almost beat the Cowboys and then almost beat the Eagles last week…both games were on the road for them too. They are actually playing pretty good ball right now with the new guy calling the plays.

The Cowboys were a HOT team when they got handled by the Packers, they were on a 4 game win streak and fresh off a road victory over the Eagles. They were as hot as they come at the time.

Oh and who cares what the oddsmakers say…they adjust their lines to get people to bet certain ways to balance out the bets so that they are guaranteed to win…that means nothing.

by TrevorR on Dec 2, 2009 11:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Deadskins are a tragedy

less for how bad they are but for all the wasted potential they have. That team has talent, they just never play well for some reason. It all starts with Snyder…

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 2, 2009 11:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

WOW. Look at the ticket prices on PFR.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/2009.htm

9k for the Ravens?
12k for the Seahawks?

!!!!

Looking to buy: General Manager Deputy Badge

by Bush League All Star on Dec 2, 2009 8:00 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Oh another thing we've forgot to mention!

We’ve got this linebacker, Spencer Havner (#41), if you see him on the field (offense) near the goal line, you’d better have at least two guys covering him. If the ball comes his way, he’ll catch it and score. He’s a converted linebacker. I can’t recall seeing him miss a ball thrown his way all season… Easily one of the highlights of the season and a great roster move by the front office.

by StephanL on Dec 4, 2009 12:46 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think they’ll see as much of him now that Finley is back…Finley is even MORE dangerous. Havner will continue to see some time occassionally on offense but I’d much rather have Finley out there, he presents a much bigger mismatch to cover with his size and speed.

by TrevorR on Dec 4, 2009 8:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

HOMER ALERT!!!

You guys wanna hear about 5 of my favorite ravens who have all made great individual plays but nobody 20 minutes outside of Baltimore has ever heard of???

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 4, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The guy is a linebacker, who has 4 TDs this season.

Careful now; you’ve just finished criticizing another for excessive punctuation. All caps looks bad also.

Anyway, that aside, how many of these “Ravens players who made great individual plays…” have 4 TD catches this season? Probably none. Settle down a bit, I was just giving you something to look for on Monday night.

by StephanL on Dec 4, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hey man we're all bustin chops here

i’m plenty settled, I just figured you’d understand my comment as having been in Jest. And my excessive punctuation was a continuation of my previous parody of the excessive punctuation. we can give it a rest, i’m not trying to be condescending.

i’ll give you the touche on the LB/RB convert. I think those guys understand the type of players who are coming at them well and the can manipulate tha knowledge to good effect.

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 4, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He'll line up as a FB or TE

Officially he’s a TE though.

by StephanL on Dec 4, 2009 8:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sort of like Mike Vrabel

and his offensive stat line: 10 career receptions for 10 TD’s.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Dec 7, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting analysis

Further down the page on the FO site (link below) they rank the D against all the positions that catch passes from a QB. The packers are #21 against #1 WRs, #4 against #2 WRs, #2 against all other WRs, #1 against TEs, and #6 against RBs.

Anyone else surprised by those numbers for #1 WRs? Did Harris usually get the top WR when he was here or has it been Woodson?

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef

by TrevorR on Dec 4, 2009 8:27 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Harris

And I’m happy you found this because this proves that Harris really wasn’t all that good for us this year. I can’t count the number of times he was beat deep or jumped over to catch a ball.

by packallday555 on Dec 4, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve thought that all year too. I’ve seen him getting burned numerous times. I think he’s outmatched in this system and honestly I’ve seen his skills rapidly declining over the past year or two.

by TrevorR on Dec 4, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

its tough

we went through the same thing with Chris McAlister. For a while he was the only man in the NFL who could hold down Randy Moss. Then, seemingly out of nowhere, he had knee issues, and that swivel and cut he used to had was gone. And once Marvin Harrison started torching him it was pretyy much goodby McAllister

"Just win baby. Yeah, I stole that."
--Jon Gruden

by jackmca on Dec 4, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

jackma you have good stuff to say over here.

by raven on Dec 4, 2009 1:35 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

ravens 31 gb 17

rice=230 all purpose yards
webb=sack, int
kruger=2 sacks
kelly washington=td 87 yards

by raven on Dec 4, 2009 1:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Ya I don’t know…I doubt Rice will have THAT many yards. Rodgers doesn’t really throw picks all that often, and I would say that’s doubtful. I know Kruger had that big INT to end your game but he didn’t show all that much rushing the passer. Washington is something I agree on because Bush at nickel back makes me wanna throw up.

by packallday555 on Dec 5, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

now THOSE were homer predictions! A team that hasn’t broke 20 pts in over a month is suddenly going to put up 31 on a team that is shutting out offenses with regularity? Not saying I expect a blowout the other way, but that prediction is ridiculous.

by TrevorR on Dec 5, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This is all good

but I still liked the 5 questions thing.

by Donald Driver on Dec 4, 2009 1:51 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Good to know

I’ve been a little down on the 5 questions thing. I’ve been trying to think of a better format, but haven’t come up with one. I’ll see if one of the Bears bloggers is up to answering 5 questions next week.

by Brandon on Dec 4, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ray rice

after reading the comments here on the baltimore beatdown. im sensing that the raven’s fans think that the ravens are head and shoulders above the packer and that ray rice is the 2nd coming of barry sanders

by BenSheets15 on Dec 6, 2009 1:10 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Ben Sheets?

I really want the Orioles to sign him, I loved his K abilities when he was healthy.

aka 'Rexx'

by Bruce Raffel on Dec 7, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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