Unacceptable
by Mitchell_M on Nov 8, 2009 3:41 PM CST
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That's really the only word you can use to describe it. I mean, you can try to use other words like horrendous, awful, disgusting, or mind-blowingly-bad (hyphens count), but I like the way "unacceptable" rolls off the tongue.
I don't even mind losing to Tampa Bay so much as the fashion in which they lost. After all, "any given Sunday" is a mantra most NFL teams and coaches live by, so it's not inconvievable that a winless team gets its first victory against any opponent, be they great or terrible or horribly average.
What gets me is that it's the same thing over and over and over and over. I hate it when mistakes are repeated so many times. It's almost redundant to talk about how bad this team is in pass protection, special teams coverage, and playcalling.
There's actually a line in a rap song that acts as a good parallel to how I'm feeling right now. Track 17 on 'The Marshall Mathers LP' with D12 member Bizarre on the track:
I'm ripped, I'm on an acid trip/
My DJ's in a coma for lettin' the record skip/
Lettin' the record skip, lettin' the record skip/
(Damn!)
Bizarre clearly doesn't appreciate it when his disc jockey allows the song to get stuck in a certain repetitive groove. It ruins his evening, and it does not please him. In fact, he is so displeased that he wishes harm upon his disc jockey.
Well, if you substitute "song" for "2009 season" and "disc jockey" for "Coach McCarthy" and take out the whole drug thing, it sums up my (and some of your) feelings rather well.
Mike McCarthy, you are officially on the hot seat. Please find a way to get off of it next week against Dallas.
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This is the defining game for why McCarthy needs to be fired
This team will never excel with him here.
by Charlie Kelly on Nov 8, 2009 3:46 PM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
$$
will the packers be able to afford to eat mccarthy’s salary though?
"We're all filling each other's shoes right now." - Donald Driver
by jrox12 on Nov 8, 2009 7:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ouch
we do have him for 4-5 more years dont we?
id rather have a 24 year old (human years) dog that has advanced parkinson’s batting for our team than vlad.
-BoeJouma
by blackoutsox on Nov 8, 2009 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
mc-mouth is a wordy excuse author
‘we need to clean it up’.. refrains the bloated wayyy-over-his-head “head coach” of the GB PRETENDERS. I just laugh.. every time I hear this nonsense.
WHO chooses/hires the coaching staff? mc-mouth.
WHO calles the plays… ? mc-mouth.
WHO shows that chip on his shoulder.. his combative shell that only hides his incompetence.. when asked HARD to the point of questions? mc-mouth.
mc-mouth will try to throw some coaches under the bus come January…. he’s better be thrown FIRST… he obviously can NOT GET IT DONE.
teddy is another cans of worms… tubby harrell collects his checks and enjoys life. hawk has shown he’s a reserve… the line drafts are out of the ‘tony moll’ mold…….. special teams aren’t.. a good indicator of team moral and bench strength.
Will this comic pres murf have the wheels to make this change?
NO.
by teddyisafool on Nov 9, 2009 7:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to APC...
Looking to buy: General Manager Deputy Badge
by Bush League All Star on Nov 9, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and what a gem of a first post
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Nov 9, 2009 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
gotta love that name!
id rather have a 24 year old (human years) dog that has advanced parkinson’s batting for our team than vlad.
-BoeJouma
by blackoutsox on Nov 9, 2009 8:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that is what I was talking about in other threads...
All these 1st post folks with a “pleasant” take on things.
Looking to buy: General Manager Deputy Badge
by Bush League All Star on Nov 9, 2009 10:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I got the Bears/Cardinals woofer
Went out to rake leaves at half, came back in 15 minutes ago, and saw the final. I believe in being level headed after losses, but this definitely is a good case for a change at the top. I haven’t read the game thread and the AP recap isn’t up yet, but just glancing over the box score is troubling.
At this rate, post season is out. Losing to the Vikings/Bengals is one thing, but losing to teams you’re supposed to dominate is another.
by Danwood on Nov 8, 2009 3:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
"Any given Sunday"
I understand that mantra well. lol
M&M should be on the hot seat.
If they don’t make the play-offs should he be fired?
by CrazyCollegian on Nov 8, 2009 3:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Aw,
PLAYOFFS?!? Don’t talk about playoffs! You kidding me?!? PLAYOFFS?!? I just hope we can win a game! Another game!
I am German by ancestry. On November 9, I will be joining my fellow Germans in celebrating the 20th anniversary of Die Mauerfall. I have been to Berlin, seen what remains of the Wall, and seen the line where the Wall once divided the city.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 8, 2009 5:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not usually the guy screaming for a coach's head after a loss...
… but I’ve seen enough. And not just of McCarthy. I don’t really care what happens the rest of the year. Any GM who puts an offensive line on the field that consists of at least 2 players who probably shouldn’t even be in the league needs to go. And any coach who fails, for 3 years, to get his team to win games it should lose and repeatedly sees his team lose games it should win needs to get canned. I’m sick of wondering which play they’ll let a man come free on this week. I’m sick of Packer teams who play stupid football. I’m sick of wondering how it is that we’re losing to teams when we have players like Woodson, Collins, Matthews and Kampman, a foursome any defensive coordinator in the league would be jealous of, and Rodgers, Jennings and Driver on offense. In short, I’m sick of watching this team not play up to the talent level it has and I’m sick of watching them get dragged down by historically bad OL and ST play.
If I thought it would do any good, I’d fire them both right now. But it won’t. Mid-season firings of a coaching staff are almost never productive. I just hope that Rodgers makes it to the end of the year in one piece and that the bizarre circumstances under which he’s being asked to play this year doesn’t destroy any chance he has of living up to his potential.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Nov 8, 2009 3:52 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
This is sad
You guys should be happier, you have 4 wins. WE have 1- that is horrible
Why do you kill threads????
by Some other guy who does not care on Nov 8, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Different expectations
The Packers had much higher expectations going into the season than the Bucs
by Dionysus0 on Nov 8, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
With all due respect
Our expectations are much different then yours. We have a very talented group of guys aside from the o-line.
by packallday555 on Nov 9, 2009 12:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
When are they going to show up?
You and your buddies suffer from “fan-itis.” You don’t see what is really in front of you on the football field. You are not objective. During the preseason you and your buddies were convinced that the offensive line was solid and that every other player on the roster was pro-bowl caliber. Well? Where are they? Apart from Woodson, I don’t see anybody on this team having a pro-bowl season. I see a quarterback with no vision. I see some badly overrated wide receivers. I see a pedestrian starting running back (Ahman Green is the best RB on the team). I see linebackers not making plays. I see safeties out of position and missing tackles. Worse, I see bad coaching and bad personnel.
This season is on the brink of turning into a disaster.
by ktenreb on Nov 9, 2009 6:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
would you leave please?
and never come back? I’m tired of reading your sadness. Favre is gone buddy, he’s gone. Ripping on Rodgers will NOT change that. You have no opinions on anything, just insults on everyone but Farve. The season is a disaster so far (the first loss to the Farvqueens was a precursor) so we really don’t need you here bringing everyone down with your negative nancyism,.
"Are we doing everything we can to win games, or are we doing everything we can to run a certain thing that we want to run? I want to win, and I want to do whatever it takes to win. At some point you have to take the handcuffs off and let the boys play." - Cullen Jenkins 11/01/09
by PackaCracka on Nov 9, 2009 8:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about you,
but he makes a lot of good points in that tirade. Plus, he never mentioned Favre, and Rodgers really has shown a problem with his field-vision.
Optimism vs. pessimism is one thing, but idealism vs. reality is quite another. There’s a lot wrong on this team; we’d be remiss to ignore it.
"Brandon Jennings needs a nickname before he gives himself one. Oh wait, Young Money, he already did."
by Mitchell_M on Nov 9, 2009 8:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes Mitchell
but I’ve read it about 20 times now. This guy is our chicken little.
“you and your buddies” way to distance himself from the fan base.
"Are we doing everything we can to win games, or are we doing everything we can to run a certain thing that we want to run? I want to win, and I want to do whatever it takes to win. At some point you have to take the handcuffs off and let the boys play." - Cullen Jenkins 11/01/09
by PackaCracka on Nov 9, 2009 8:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My god!
Somebody defended me! And one of the editors at that!
Look — I hate being doom and gloom every week, but as I explained before, I grew up during the years in which the Packers were wandering in the desert. This team is badly constructed, and too many of the players are overrated, the quarterback being one of them. I certainly don’t advocate turning to Matt Flynn (shudder), but at the same time you can’t just say “look at his stats” in response to a 10 – 14 record.
Rodgers can become a good, even a very good, quarterback. The touchdown pass in the first quarter yesterday was absolutely gorgeous. But you can’t lose to the worst team in the league and not expect osme flack.
by ktenreb on Nov 9, 2009 8:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
I hear your points I really do but Rodgers doesn’t deserve much “flack” for our loss yesterday.
Everything going on around him really puts him in a position to fail. The o-line, the play calling, and the wr corps. The o-line rarely gives him enough time to do anything, and when they actually did none of our wrs were open. That last 4th and 14 or whatever it was, was a perfect example. Our o-line actually gave Rodgers time but he couldn’t find anybody open. And as a result he had to try and squeeze a pass in there to Driver. And the pass was actually right there but Driver didn’t catch it.
The porous o-line play is really affecting the whole offense. Teams only send 4 down lineman to rush Rodgers because our o-line is that bad, and they can consistently get pressure doing so. We keep a Rb back nearly every play to block, and we still can’t slow teams pass rush down despite having 6 guys blocking against 4 guys rushing. As a result of that we can only send 4 guys out on routes (only 3 sometimes because we leave our Te back many times as well). So our 3-4 wrs are trying to get open against 7 guys. I don’t care how good Jennings and Driver are, and they are both very good wr’s, when your being double teamed it’s going to be awfully hard for you to get open.
So as a result Rodgers is forced to throw the ball into double coverage many times, because of all our covered wr’s, that one is the most open.
The o-line is the main problem on this team, and it needs to be fixed.
by packallday555 on Nov 9, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No vision? Why because he threw that pick too Mack yesterday? You do realize that his other 2 INTs were ones which were dropped by Packers wrs don’t you? He has thrown 5 INTs on the year. I wouldn’t hardly say that he has “no vision”. The LBs were actually good yesterday.
The WORST part about our team is coaching, hands down. Not “bad personnel”. Rodgers is a good Qb. The wr corps is good. The D-line is good. The LBs are a little above average, and the secondary is very good. But as we have seen our offense can’t do much when the line doesn’t block for Rodgers or Grant.
And the defense is suffering from the same thing they did last year. Capers, like Sanders is sending only 3-4 guys to rush the Qb every time and it IS NOT working. We brought him in so our defense would be unpredictable, but instead we have been the polar opposite of that. And our defense is also suffering a great deal because of our STs.
by packallday555 on Nov 9, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"No vision"
It’s tough to say the guy has no vision when you’re watching on TV. You don’t even get to see most of what he sees downfield unless they decide to show it. And when you do, you benefit from sitting on your chair in the living room, and you don’t have a pocket collapsing around you, and it’s typically not being run at full speed.
What was with Kendall's shaved head?....looks like a fist with eyes.
scsteve (Pirates fan)
Correction: Jason Kendall IS a fist with eyes.
Derek (Brewers fan)
by bluejazz04 on Nov 9, 2009 6:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But I was there
At the game. In Tampa.
by ktenreb on Nov 9, 2009 8:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oooh Ok
So you’re saying you lacked the benefit of multiple camera angles and replays that we can see on TV. Gotcha.
"You have no honor!" - McClung to Fukudome
by zsxander567 on Nov 9, 2009 9:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t doubt that he struggled Sunday because I think Sunday was the worst game I’ve ever seen him play. But if you have ever played Qb you would know how hard it is to be successful when you have a line that rarely ever blocks for you.
I constantly see him looking around after he snaps the ball, and it’s pretty clear it’s because he is worried about where the rush is coming from. I know he has things he needs to work on, like holding on to the ball too long and going through his progressions sooner. But with the line we have, can we really expect him to improve his progressions? I don’t think so.
by packallday555 on Nov 9, 2009 9:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well said...McCarthy MUST GoGO
Enough is Enough…I am so tired of seeing him clueless on the sidelines while this team continues to underperform.
by NJ Pack Fan on Nov 8, 2009 5:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike McCarthy, the second coming of Marty Schottenheimer
Running the ball six times with no intention to try to score might work with a 21 point lead and 45 seconds remaining but doing it with a 5 point lead less than midway through the 4th quarter is unacceptable.
Penalties, sacks, and horrendous special teams play. Not a Schottenheimer thing but definitely seems beyond Coach Mike’s ability to deal with.
I see no rythym and no continuity in his play calling at all. If we don’t get deep strike passes we punt.
We punt with little or no time left in the game, even though we can’t cover a punt and can’t seem to shut down any team consistently.
I think we need to move on and see if Ted can hire a new coach.
by dalpher on Nov 8, 2009 4:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Show Cower the money
Trade Kampman
Get a couple 3-4 LB’s
Revamp the whole OLine, spend some bloody FA money
Get an NFL calibre starting RB
Seriously, if a schlub from Winnipeg can figure it out why can’t TT.
by gangstaff on Nov 8, 2009 4:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why trade kampman?
the only other DE who scares me is Jared allen.
by CrazyCollegian on Nov 8, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he's not a LB
He makes no impact at LB. Its retarded, we rush Matthews almost every down as a DE but Kampman is invisible in coverage. Just retarded. The guy is a DE. He has value there. Trade him for a pick or a OLineman.
We have plenty of assets and good players but they’re being wasted. The DLine seems excellent, the d backfield is quite good but the linebackers don’t make any plays or get to the QB.
by gangstaff on Nov 8, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Have to agree
He’s definitely miscast as a OLB. I’d love to see him in a Buc uni.. (not the creamsickle variety). As far as coaches go, saw Gruden might be looking at GB. I think he’d be a great fit, you guys definitely have a team that can compete for a long time, just need to shore up the OL.
by FLBoy84 on Nov 8, 2009 7:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Kampman?
Are you crazy, no let Kampman do what Kampan does best, eat QB’s for Breakfast. I understand the whole “wanting to switch to 3-4 thing” if thats what you think is best, but come on the man’s a beast, who should be rushing. Move him around, do whatever it takes to make sure he’s running forward, NOT DROPPING BACK.
by ShawnH on Nov 9, 2009 1:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I still think we should be in the 4-3
You adapt the defensive scheme to the skills of your players, not the other way around.
by Charlie Kelly on Nov 9, 2009 6:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly!
Kampman is the best 4-3 de in the league right now. Jenkins is an above 4-3 de in the league. Pickett and Raji would be a good Dt tandem. Barnett is a good 4-3 MLB, and Hawk is a much better 4-3 OLB then people give him credit for. Keep in mind he was so average in 08’ because he had to move to MLB because of Barnett’s injury. Woodson is great in any coverage. Harris is excellent in bump n run, and from what I’ve seeen so far this year, he is average at best in zone coverage. And having Matthew’s at ROLB instead of Brady “Bonehead” Poppinga would be a HUGE upgrade.
by packallday555 on Nov 9, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
bump n run
SUCKS! Its a terrible system and Harris is about one year from being done in this league. Woodson adjusted to it but that isn’t his prefered style either. The Bump n Run was a good system before the NFL made all of its new rules to prevent the contact. I hope we NEVER go back to taht we have enough penalty issues without 3-4 PI and illegal contact calls a game too.
by TrevorR on Nov 9, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a little severe
Most teams would kill for a cornerback with the skills and experience of Al Harris.
by ktenreb on Nov 9, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you mean skills like
drawing flags and getting burned on every deep route?
It’s a wonderful thing we have Nick Collins to play over the top for Harris, otherwise Al would be really gone. Harris has always been slow, but a good tackler and decent awareness, except he gets beat in the open field a lot. You see him drawing those illegal contact and PI’s a lot on deep one-on-one coverage because he has no other way to save a touchdown. I was suggesting a bit ago that he would be better suited playing something like safety at this point of his career (and Tramon Williams is a more than capable enough corner) but he’s toast right now.
by vitaminx on Nov 9, 2009 6:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you
Al Harris may not be what he was in the past few years but he is still capable of playing some shutdown corner. Unfortunately he also has a tendency to come up short in big games fairly recently (Dallas ‘07, NFC Championship). But if it weren’t for the excellent corner that Tramon Williams is, imo, I wouldn’t think about replacing Harris.
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Nov 9, 2009 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Al...
but he’s clearly showing signs of slowing down. He’s been a great corner for us but his ability to “shut down” a WR has not been there for the past year or two. Now this zone coverage system is CLEARLY not a good one for him so I don’t blame this year on him.
That said, I stand behind my statements on the bump and run…
by TrevorR on Nov 10, 2009 8:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear
What your saying but we have the personnel to run a bump n run defense. Woodson, Harris, and Williams can all do it. And Collins is more then capable of coming over to help when someone gets burned as we saw last year when he led the league in INTs.
It might be out of date in the league but the fact remains that we DO have the players to play that system.
by packallday555 on Nov 9, 2009 9:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree…but think of all the flags we get right now…now add another 3-4 on top of that due to illegal contact and PI…I don’t know how we could even be competitive!
by TrevorR on Nov 10, 2009 8:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't switch in the middle of the season
We committed to the 3-4 and we’re going to have to go with it for the year.
Raji and Pickett would play together in the goal line or short yardage defenses, but ordinarily you’d want an under-tackle (a gap-shooter) to go with your plugger. Jolly can handle that role. Pickett could too, maybe — he’s still young.
by ktenreb on Nov 9, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not only can't you...
But we won’t, so I wish people would just drop it. The only way 3/4 goes away is if McCarthy and Capers go away. And that’s not going to happen.
What was with Kendall's shaved head?....looks like a fist with eyes.
scsteve (Pirates fan)
Correction: Jason Kendall IS a fist with eyes.
Derek (Brewers fan)
by bluejazz04 on Nov 9, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Raji
Can shoot a gap and serve as a plugger.
by packallday555 on Nov 9, 2009 9:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We don't need linebackers....
But I agree, Cowher or Shanahan, and free agents on the OL. With an OL Grant is servicable and better than half the backs in this league.
by dalpher on Nov 8, 2009 4:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
how many sacks and INT's do our LB's have
the LB’s suck for a 3-4. they are supposed to be the guys making plays when the line stops the run and eats up OLinemen, which they are doing. Jolly has made more plays than any of our LB’s.
by gangstaff on Nov 8, 2009 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mind Read
After the lose, the first thought in my head was McCarthy is in trouble…. With so many proven coaches available, his job is up for grabs. I’m sick of watching our beloved Packers lose, and a loss to Dallas would seal the deal for me regarding McCarthy.
We need an o-line, a solid RB, and a coach who can motivate (my preference would be Cower).
by Drew C on Nov 8, 2009 4:31 PM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Officially
the special teams play, offensive line, and defense has relegated the Packers to the realm of the bottom-feeders, joining Detroit, St. Louis, and Oakland in the quest for a high draft choice. GB is in the running for a record number of sacks allowed and bone-headed penalties. This was as pathetic a game as I have seen since the days of Lindy Infante and Forest Gregg. It would be optimistic to think this team can win two more games this season.
by Tewks on Nov 8, 2009 4:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And here I was with a preseason prediction of 16-0…. Guess I had too much faith in this team.
by Drew C on Nov 8, 2009 4:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I predicted
the 2006 Vikings would go 12-4 after they stared 4-2
yeaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh…..
by CrazyCollegian on Nov 8, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
but they made adjustments that this coaching staff has shown to be unable to do. If MM can’t game plan well enough to beat an 0-7 team, how in the hell can we expect any better against Baltimore, Pittsburgh, SF, Dallas or even Chicago? GB will be fortunate to beat Detroit let alone anyone else. And that’s with an optimistic assumption that Aaron Rodgers isn’t watching from the sidelines with a broken leg by then.
by Tewks on Nov 8, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its impressive
Rodgers can still walk
by CrazyCollegian on Nov 8, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One of the worst games I’ve watched the Packers play in a few years I think. The offense looked terrible (except for the running game which actually looked nice). The special teams was DREADFUL…I mean absolutely unacceptably bad…like fire the ST coordinator mid season bad (well probably not but just short of that). The D couldn’t close on the QB even though they had him for about 6 sacks, they only got ONE. The LBs were destroyed by kellen winslow. There really was nothing good to take from it. Rodgers was TERRIBLE. His worst game as a pro I think. His throws were mediocre he held the ball WAY too long he was tenative. Yuck. I am done with this game for the day…I’ll be back tomorrow after someone talks me off the roof!
by TrevorR on Nov 8, 2009 4:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You can't blame Rodgers too much;
you’d be gunshy too if you had to run for your life every other down on bad ankles because all the offensive line can do is give a half-hearted push and yell, “Look out”
by Tewks on Nov 8, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yo
Half of Rod boy’s sacks are on him. He needs to throw the ball. Your receivers are not getting open for him in time. You have both O line and receiver problems. Packer fans need to realize this and quit worshiping jennings and driver
"You thought you could beat my team, but yours decided to go have ice cream. Bow to my awesomeness" Brad Childress
by packerslayer on Nov 8, 2009 7:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So...
It’s Rodgers’ fault that the receivers aren’t getting open? I agree that he needs to throw the ball AWAY when there’s nothing there on early downs, but your evidence does not support your argument.
"Career highlights? I had two. I got an intentional walk from Sandy Koufax and I got out of a rundown against the Mets." - Bob Uecker
by texwestern on Nov 8, 2009 9:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
haha..
I think he directly went in a complete circle and supported the exact opposite claim that it isn’t A-Rod’s fault.. wow… great evidence man even though I’m rooting for the Purp-n-Gol as well…
Adrian Peterson, enough said.
by 4 AP Jerseys on Nov 9, 2009 12:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice to see you open your eyes finally
You and your “we’re great, Rodgers is better than Unitas” posts. Ha!
Rodgers got exposed today. You could see him trying to progress to throw the ball away when there was nothing available. He actually did it 5 or 6 times, which (i) hurt his QB rating, and (ii) is precisely what he should be doing. Unfortunaely, he didn’t do it often enough. I am really now starting to wornder about his vision. I can’t believe that the Packers had NOBODY open for 7 or 8 seconds against the Buccaneers on so many plays. I don’t mind the last pick, because at that point we were beat, so what the hell? The others, however, were just plain bad decisions and bad throws.
As for McCarthy and Thompson — I agree with Mitchell, they are on the hot seat. A deep playoff run is the only thing that can save them. As other posters have commented, (i) you can’t have a roster constructed of so many below-average players and so many over-the-hill former players, and (ii) you can’t get outcoached, repeatedly, in so many different aspects of the game.
by ktenreb on Nov 8, 2009 6:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Out Coached
I am so glad you said it. He is outcoached almost every game. Let’s see if Ted has the eggs to pull the trigger. If not, The Pack should pull the trigger on Ted!!!!
by NJ Pack Fan on Nov 8, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its the next day and I still feel awful about what I saw from our star franchise QB. I am really starting to worry about how this Oline is going to affect his game. We’ve seen what he can do but now we are starting to see some negative attributes showing up. I just hope they are an affect of the line and not the start of him regressing into David Carr.
The Oline gets its share of the blame, about 70%, Rodgers gets about 20%, and the WRs get about 10% too. This team is really under performing right now…
by TrevorR on Nov 9, 2009 8:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fire Thompson and McCarthy – they are the worst combination in all of pro sports! A GM who mishandled Favre & hired the aforementioned idiot coach. A coach that worries during the week about playing a winless team, the game scares him? How about throw in some game planning and stop make excuses, before you even suit up for the game. McCarthy thinks it better to throw 3 passes with 3 minutes to go in the half? How about run it 3 times leaving no time on the clock for the other team. Why are we the most penalized team – coincidence or bad coaching?
New GM – here’s a hint – Trade Kampman for an offensive lineman?
New Coach – here’s a hint – run the ball and get control of the team.
by stennessen on Nov 8, 2009 5:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
A ray of hope
Sorry for your loss, but on the bright side it happens to all teams and definately does not mean that the Pack is a bad team. A couple of things to remember, first off you gaves us Vikes a really good run for our money on both games. Secondly, you do have a very good QB who just does not have a defensive line to protect him at the moment. I understand how you guys feel, because I was feeling exactly the same way when we lost against the Steelers this year.
The same thing I told myself, I’m saying to you guys, it’s one loss and it happens, next week you’ll come out hungry and firing on all cylinders.
Don’t let the trolls get you down guys, as I’ve posted before people tend to write trash when they fear a worthy opponent. And Green Bay have proven themselves to be worthy opponents on many an occassion and just had one unlucky loss, from which I’m sure you will rebound.
Good luck in the next one guys…. and remember, not all Vikes fans come here to talk trash!
by karl c on Nov 8, 2009 5:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
sorry should have read offensive line :D
For defensive line, please read offensive line (too many rum and cokes :D)
by karl c on Nov 8, 2009 5:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I sure hope we're firing on all cylinders next week.
We’ll need that … and then some … to beat Dallas next week. The Cowboys just won in Philadelphia, 20-16.
I am German by ancestry. On November 9, I will be joining my fellow Germans in celebrating the 20th anniversary of Die Mauerfall. I have been to Berlin, seen what remains of the Wall, and seen the line where the Wall once divided the city.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 8, 2009 11:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
watch out for flying braids...
- will maybe run with some passion for those of us from MN.. ;) I wouldn’t want to meet Marion the Barbarian head on in a gap.
Adrian Peterson, enough said.
by 4 AP Jerseys on Nov 9, 2009 12:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
1. was supposed to be # 24....
Adrian Peterson, enough said.
by 4 AP Jerseys on Nov 9, 2009 12:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Won't happen
Their pass rush is going to KILL our o-line. I feel bad for Rodgers. Every single snap the pocket collapses on him. And every single play Barbre gets beat. Clifton, or Lang get beat 50% of the time, and Colledge gets beat 75% of the time. And we all wonder why Rodgers has looked uncomfortable this year.
He is NEVER able to establish any rhythmn in games because the o-line is SO bad. And everyone complains about how he holds on to the ball too long. I would love to see ANY Qb in the league playing behind our current o-line, and see him not have the same problems. Many times the pass rush is getting to him within 2 seconds. And many times he is still inside the “pocket” when he is about to get sacked. When that happens to other teams Qb they just throw it at the feet of their Rb. But guess what? Since our o-line play is so bad, we are forced to keep our Rb back to block every play. It’s awfully hard to throw the ball away when your still inside what’s considered the pocket, and if Rodgers tried to do this we would all be complaining about the number of intentional groundings he has.
I’m so sick of seeing idiot Vikings fans, or Favre lovers attacking Rodgers. Either they don’t understand football well or their just trying to do it because they would like nothing more then to say Rodgers fail.
by packallday555 on Nov 9, 2009 1:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with everything, except one
Good post, right on the mark, except Rogers does hold on to the ball to long …. at times. Not everyone is going to do it right, 100% of the time, but he does need to be a little quicker at times.
by ShawnH on Nov 9, 2009 1:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You need to have played to understand
Rodgers lacks vision. It’s obvious to anybody who understands the game of football. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers do not have a secondary or coaching staf capable of covering every single receiver for 7 to 8 seconds, over and over again.
Since you obviously don’t understand how the game is played, let me help you a little. “Vision” isn’t what the quarterback sees; instead, it is what the quarterback is going to see. A quarterback with vision sees the play develop 2 to 3 seconds before it happens. So much of the West Coast Offense is devoted to the quarterback’s vision. If he doesn’t have it, he takes three or five step drops and hold the ball for 5 or more seconds, and then gets killed.
I don’t remember any 2 second sacks, by the way.
by ktenreb on Nov 9, 2009 6:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
a little over the top
ktenreb…while you make some good points sometimes, you can really come off as a jerk sometimes. You DON’T have to have played to understand what you pointed out. But you are probably onto something, his vision needs some work. Its hard to really say watching a game on TV though…which I assume you are doing. That also means you are making a HUGE assumption based on a few plays that they show us the receivers on.
He does seem to be lacking quick decisive decision making though and at times isn’t seeing the open receivers right away.
by TrevorR on Nov 9, 2009 9:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I live in Tampa
and I was there.
by ktenreb on Nov 9, 2009 9:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
haha CRAP…either way though its still one game. BY far his worst of the year. This is the first game where I actually felt like Rodgers was a big part of the problem (in this game) so I think you just saw the worst of the worst from him. Hopefully it wasn’t a sign of things to come but this line is starting to affect how he plays the game.
by TrevorR on Nov 9, 2009 9:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely
He had a bad game. But to say he has no vision because of this one game is ridiculous.
Hopefully it wasn’t a sign of things to come but this line is starting to affect how he plays the game.
Well seeing as how he didn’t have this problem last year with an average offensive line I don’t think we have anything to worry about. Unless of course TT does nothing to repair our broken line, which is quite possible.
by packallday555 on Nov 9, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
McCarthy
basically implied that in his press conference. I agree to say that he has NO vision is extreme, but honestly he’s not seeing guys when they are getting open. TB isn’t that great of a secondary, there is NO way they had the WRS that well covered.
Keep in mind I LOVE Rodgers, I think he’s going to be a HUGE stud…our version of Steve Young (in that he followed an NFL great with really good success). I am thrilled that he’s played as well as he has, but he’s starting to show some BAD side effects from the beating he’s taking.
David Carr didn’t start out skitish and panic-y…he grew into it from getting killed all day.
by TrevorR on Nov 9, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He was 6 - 10 last year
I was at the game. I’m no quarterback guru (I was a guard), but I saw options that Rodgers didn’t seem to want to take. A QB has to see players 2 to 3 seconds before they get to where they are going. It didn’t seem like Rodgers was able to do that.
by ktenreb on Nov 9, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand what your saying and I don’t necessarily completely disagree with it. He does have some problems with going through his progressions but like I pointed out earlier in this thread, everything that is going on around him certainly isn’t helping. You need some time to go through progressions and right now he isn’t getting that. And McCarthy’s play calling certainly doesn’t help things.
by packallday555 on Nov 9, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"since you obviously don't understand how the game is play"
get the f*ck out of here
"Are we doing everything we can to win games, or are we doing everything we can to run a certain thing that we want to run? I want to win, and I want to do whatever it takes to win. At some point you have to take the handcuffs off and let the boys play." - Cullen Jenkins 11/01/09
by PackaCracka on Nov 9, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
Because I played Qb throughout high school, and was recruited to play Qb in college but I chose to play basketball instead.
I KNOW what vision is, and I also know Rodgers has it.
by packallday555 on Nov 9, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As a Packer fan
Let me say Thanks, it nice to see a Vikings fan with class, of course you understand that when the teams play, I can no longer talk to you, but I’d expect the same.
by ShawnH on Nov 9, 2009 1:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You know, I tend to be a TT apologist
But there’s no excuse for the lack of talent he’s put on the field at offensive line. The O-line never gets any of the glory, but teams that have terrible offensive linemen usually horribly underachieve.
The Packers, with all of the talented players they have, should be mowing over teams like Tampa Bay.
I think a big part of the problem is that our offensive line sucks, and that snowballs to other areas.
Also, I am starting to think that McCarthy is a below average coach who got lucky for one season. If you take out the one good year, where the ball bounced their way almost every game, McCarthy has posted a 18-22 record (.450). Even if you include that season, he’s barely above .500 at 0.553.
We need to face the facts, McCarthy just isn’t getting it done, and he’s creating a losing culture in Green Bay.
by dishingoutdimes on Nov 8, 2009 5:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The one good year was because. . . .
McCarthy and Favre found a gimmick that worked (the 5 WR set). McCarthy is always lookiing for gimmicks (zone blocking, 3-4 defense that neuters the best defensive player on the team), Your diagnosis that he is “below average” is kind. He needs to leave town, and to take Thompson with him.
by ktenreb on Nov 8, 2009 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Would that mean you become a Packers fan again
or will you just wait until Favre retires and then see which team looks better for the future before making your decision?
The point about gimmicks is pure reach. Zone blocking is a very viable blocking scheme, but we don’t have the players for any kind of offensive line no matter what the scheme is. The 3-4 is not a gimmick either. I understand the concern regarding Kampman, but he is not the type of defensive player that you set up an entire system for. He is very talented at DE but he is not Reggie White. The 5 WR set was not a gimmick but a way to get 5 quality receivers out into a pattern and take advantage of the QB’s strength.
I am not McCarthy’s biggest fan at all, I wouldn’t have a problem if he didn’t make it to next year but to say he only looks for gimmicks is just poor analysis.
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Nov 8, 2009 7:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know you absolutely hate TT and what you feel he did to Favre but can you not let that continually cloud your judgment on every issue regarding the Packers? Zone-blocking is not a “gimmick”. Many teams use it and are very successful doing so. The 3-4 is not a gimmick. Some of the better defenses in the league use the 3-4 defense. And the 5 wr set is not a gimmick. Pretty much every team in the league uses a 5 wr set.
That being said I actually am with you for getting rid of TT and MM. I think TT is a pretty good evaluator of talent, but the fact that he is not willing to make any big moves is the reason he has to go. The Vikings really had a joke of a team, and then their owner traded for Allen, and their defense instantly became one of the better ones in the league. ANd MM is just a bad coach in all aspects of coaching. We need to get rid of the ENTIRE coaching staff.
by packallday555 on Nov 9, 2009 1:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Zone Blocking
The Packers adopted the zone blocking scheme, after the failure of Will Whittacker and The Legend That Was Adrian Klemm, because they lacked talent in the interior offensive line. So yes, in the Packers’ case, it was a gimmick that McCarthy adopted designed to cover up the lack of talent provided by Thompson. Scott Wells is a perfect example: The guy has no leverage or power. He can’t move defensive tackles, and so rather than put him in the position where he knew he would fail, McCarthy tried the gimmick to see if that would work.
The 3 – 4 is another example of a gimmick move. The Packers’ run defense was atrocious last year because (i) Jenkins got hurt and there was no depth behind him, (ii) Corey Williams had been traded and there was no depth behind him, and (iii) Justin Harrell was himself and there was no depth behind him. In other words, the team got caught short numbers-wise. Thompson and McCarthy decided that that they had better linebackers than defensive linemen, and that it is easier to find quality linebackers than defensive linemen, and so they switched to the 3 – 4. The irony is that this year, with Jenkins healthy, Raji starting to play, and Pickett and Jolly playing well, the Packers have the personnel to run a very good 4 – 3 defense. Instead, we are treated, every week, to the horrible sight of watching our former pro-bowl DE trying to chase down running backs in pass coverage.
It’s true that I don’t think much of Ted Thompson as a General Manager. I admit that I believe that he mishandled the Favre fiasco (bottom line for me is that as the Grown Up it’s his job to manage prima donna pains in the ass and not allow them to create media circuses). However, his record as GM isn’t even spotty, it’s downright bad. He needs to leave town with a nice severance check.
by ktenreb on Nov 9, 2009 6:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hold on...
McCarthy brought in the zone blocking scheme right away when he was hired in 2006. TT was in his second year at GM and they still had a Tauscher and Clifton playing at a high level and they drafted Spitz and Colledge that year in the draft. Sorry but your point about the ZB scheme really doesn’t pan out there. THAT SAID, I don’t like it. I think its a gimmick system that has worked in on or two places but only works when you are dominant at it and we just aren’t. I think it needs to go but I don’t think its something you can just dump mid season.
The 3-4 isn’t a gimmick, but I think I get your point…just using the wrong words. Moving to the 3-4 might prove to be the wrong decision, the jury is out but clearly it was in response to a TERRIBLE defensive season. Anyone that expected this D to be a top 5 D this year had very unreasonable expectations. Maybe it was all the talk in the papers about Capers making the transition easier or something but switching schemes like this is a 2-3 year process. Its a long term decision.
by TrevorR on Nov 9, 2009 9:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The 3-4 was a hasty decision made in response to one terrible defensive year
The defense we had in 2007 was decent, but in 2008 like ktenbeb said, we lost Cullen Jenkins to injury and Corey Williams to injury. Both players were big parts of 2007 and without any suitable replacements, the line was decimated, which made the LBs look worse and is why we had no pass rush.
I really hope they go back to the 4-3 next season as it’s what they are best suited for. Kampman is worthless as an OLB and it’s painful watching us waste one of our best defenders in this way. Also, we now have the personnel up front to have a solid 4-3 line with Jenkins, Pickett, Raji, and Kampman and an OLB in Matthews who looks like he’ll actually be able to make plays.
by Charlie Kelly on Nov 9, 2009 9:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Again
I get your points. I don’t necessarily agree with what you said about the zone blocking being a gimmick still but I would like to see us get some REAL o-lineman and get rid of it.
The irony is that this year, with Jenkins healthy, Raji starting to play, and Pickett and Jolly playing well, the Packers have the personnel to run a very good 4 – 3 defense. Instead, we are treated, every week, to the horrible sight of watching our former pro-bowl DE trying to chase down running backs in pass coverage.
Exactly. You nailed it on the head with the defense. I think the number 1 reason we switched to the 3-4 was because of how bad the run defense was. But like you pointed out that was because Jenkins was hurt, and we didn’t have any depth at DT. But with Jenkins back, the drafting of Raji, and Jolly and Pickett playing the best football I have ever seen both of them play our 4-3 d-line would be very, very good.
It was just a stupid ass decision by McCarthy. I remember praying to God that Gregg Williams would sign with us because like you I knew the 4-3 defense was only sputtering because of reasons that were easily solvable. But I still don’t agree with the 3-4 being a “gimmick”.
The person I really want gone is McCarthy. He is just a horrible coach. He lacks knowlegde about the game and has no motivational ability. He needs to go now. And I really wouldn’t mind TT gone either. Though I still like the way he handled the Favre situation.
by packallday555 on Nov 9, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My God man!
We agree on something????
I take it all back!
(Just kidding, in case GGGarner and the rest of the trolls start their whining and sniping).
by ktenreb on Nov 9, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am in agreement with you on the D
I don’t think the 3-4 is a gimmick defense but I do think it was a hasty move and that we have the personnel now to properly run a 4-3.
This is the second time I’ve agreed with you in this thread alone, ktenreb.
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Nov 9, 2009 7:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
I really do agree with you on a lot of things, I just think your a little over the top when judging Rodgers.
But again deciding to switch defenses was a very hasty move.
by packallday555 on Nov 9, 2009 10:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yess
Probably another NFL replay of the Packers losing…..again. I love watching those. Replay it up.
"You thought you could beat my team, but yours decided to go have ice cream. Bow to my awesomeness" Brad Childress
by packerslayer on Nov 8, 2009 5:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Get a life
The game is over and done with. Go be a douche in some other forum because you add absolutely nothing here.
What was with Kendall's shaved head?....looks like a fist with eyes.
scsteve (Pirates fan)
Correction: Jason Kendall IS a fist with eyes.
Derek (Brewers fan)
by bluejazz04 on Nov 8, 2009 6:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait to watch when the Vikings inevitably choke in the playoffs
Then I can go back and laugh at all of these comments.
I’m sorry, are you not familiar with Vikings playoff history? Don’t you remember in 2001 when they made it to the NFC Championship Game only to get embarrassed 41-0 by the Giants?
That season the Vikings went 11-2 to start, but lost three straight to finish the season when Culpepper got hurt. They crushed the Saints in the playoffs and then were actually FAVORED to beat the Giants. And then they got embarrassed. Worst loss in Vikings history.
WORST LOSS. And that team was supposed to get to the Super Bowl, they said. “They” being the experts.
I can always put up with a Vikings idiot, because it usually comes back to bite them. It did in 2001, and man was I laughing for awhile.
by dishingoutdimes on Nov 8, 2009 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Nov 8, 2009 7:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nah, in 98
they lost to the falcons on gary andersons missed FG….. gah, i’ve spoken of it…
I piss people off on a fairly regular basis. I cherish my right to speak my mind, whether I sound like an uneducated savage or not. I've never been accused of keeping what I think a secret, nor will I ever. Don't like it? I don't care.
by IABerserker1 on Nov 8, 2009 8:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
gary "didn't miss a kick all season" anderson
Oh yeah. Oh friggin yeah. I literally laughed FOR DAYS.
by swilldog on Nov 8, 2009 8:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
that is the one I was trying to refer to
I had kind of a post fail. Sorry
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Nov 9, 2009 7:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
2003
That had to be the best I’ve ever seen.
Once we beat the Vikings in the Metrodome, I knew we had a chance to actually pull the division out that year.
I am German by ancestry. On November 9, I will be joining my fellow Germans in celebrating the 20th anniversary of Die Mauerfall. I have been to Berlin, seen what remains of the Wall, and seen the line where the Wall once divided the city.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 8, 2009 11:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that is still easily my favorite
the improbability of the whole thing, the fact that it was the freakin’ Cardinals! just glorious
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Nov 9, 2009 7:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
seems that the "experts" picked a certain green and yellow team to make the dance this year...
how’s that workin out for ya? :)
eh these expert picks are quite bogus… Vikes were picked last year by a few “experts” to make it to the SB.. I don’t even talk about the Super Bowl until a couple weeks left in the reg. season or even into playoffs..
Adrian Peterson, enough said.
by 4 AP Jerseys on Nov 9, 2009 12:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dude…comments like that are just stupid…go away unless you actually want to add something of value and not SPAM our forum.
by TrevorR on Nov 9, 2009 9:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can someone please tell me why this idiot isn’t banned yet? He has NEVER contributed anything useful to the site. And judging from the things he has said his IQ is probably no higher then 70.
by packallday555 on Nov 9, 2009 1:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TT
TT should go first and then the new GM can fire McCarthy. Need to get some talent around Rodgers. I feel for Rodgers, Its not his fault the GM wont spend the money for good players, not his fault that they are calling the crap plays they are. Give Rodgers some credit , If I was Rodgers I would ask to be traded. GEEZ!!!
by whooya on Nov 8, 2009 6:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Even Better
Fire Thompson, bring in a new GM to decimate the roster but keep McCarthy as coach. Make sure McCarthy has NO talent so that he turns in a 4 – 12 record, Then fire him because he sucks.
by ktenreb on Nov 8, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what?
id rather have a 24 year old (human years) dog that has advanced parkinson’s batting for our team than vlad.
-BoeJouma
by blackoutsox on Nov 8, 2009 9:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
I ahree wtih whooya, but what are talking about? McCarthy is a horrible coach. He is probably at being a HC then TT is at being a GM. He needs to go asap, along with the rest of the coaching staff. We should decimate the o-line aside from Spitz, Sitton, Lang but really that’s it. The team is talented, but with the worst o-line in the league, and some of the worst coaching it doesn’t matter.
by packallday555 on Nov 9, 2009 1:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sherman was a TERRIBLE GM and a mediocre/ok coach. I probalby wouldn’t have hated him so much if he hadn’t become the GM too but that was something he was just really inept at. As a coach he was decent but he did himself in as a coach by being a terrible GM.
by TrevorR on Nov 9, 2009 9:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
In partial defense of Sherman, he had a team that was a legitimate Super Bowl Contender. He went “all in” by signing some guys to fill the couple of holes he thought he needed to plug to win it all. It didn’t work, with the result being that he left the team in salary cap hell.
by ktenreb on Nov 9, 2009 9:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup…that is true. I don’t know that it makes it more defensible…I guess the argument is that he had the balls to go all in but he literally set the team back a half a decade in doing so. You can almost blame HIM for TT being here now. If he didn’t put the team in salary cap hell they wouldn’t have had to gut the team which is why they brought TT in here. He was hired to be the bad guy who would come in and start them over. Shed the old players and replace them with new younger versions.
by TrevorR on Nov 9, 2009 9:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No Class
All you Vike fans, no class if all you can do is come in and cut up the Packers. Like some have blogged. The Vikes have maybe two good years to look forward to. When they start retiring players and lose players in free agency and Farve is gone they will be a rebuilding team too. Take your comments to a Viking site why dont you? We dont want your comments here.
by whooya on Nov 8, 2009 6:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
On behalf of Minn fans
I apologize that some people feel the need to salt the wound – we know better than ANYONE how it feels to let a game slip away, so I’ll advise my fellow purple people to shut up – you guys will bounce back in the next couple years – don’t sweat this one!
by mjmrad on Nov 8, 2009 6:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if only it were that simple
thanks for the sentiment tho
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Nov 8, 2009 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate that sentiment.
Just wish it could apply to all fans. At the last baseball game I went to, I had a nice conversation with a fan who was sitting right behind me, cheering loudly for the other team. He was trying to goad me in the beginning of the game, but that stopped once he and I started talking. It turned out he was a very nice guy, after all.
Once the game was over (Cubs @ Giants, Cubs lost), I turned and congratulated him on San Francisco’s victory.
I am German by ancestry. On November 9, I will be joining my fellow Germans in celebrating the 20th anniversary of Die Mauerfall. I have been to Berlin, seen what remains of the Wall, and seen the line where the Wall once divided the city.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 8, 2009 11:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks man...
I don’t know why people are douches like that but living in MN I know its not the majority though there seems to be more of it lately…they come out of the woodwork when Vikes play good and then you never see them again when their team is playing poorly. Its usually the fairweather guys that are the ones that come and trash talk which makes NO sense.
by TrevorR on Nov 9, 2009 9:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Go Away
I find it hard to believe that you guys are so low on life that the only thing that can make you feel like a man is to kick an opposing team when it is down. Good for you the Vikes beat us twice, I don’t think you’ll make or win the SB, but who knows mybe the Gods smile upon you and you do. Just remember this when (as every team does) the Vikes turn south, and how you piled on, and you recieve the same crap you dish out.
by ShawnH on Nov 8, 2009 6:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
dont comment me back
I dont want any email comments
by whooya on Nov 8, 2009 6:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Will not get past NO
The Vike -Queens will never make it past N.O. Not a chance….
by whooya on Nov 8, 2009 6:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
N.O. just needs to get some qb pressure on them...
Something we MN fans like to claim as a strong suit…
Adrian Peterson, enough said.
by 4 AP Jerseys on Nov 9, 2009 12:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants have one of the best pass rushes in the game
And I believe Drew Brees had a perfect QB rating for a large portion of that game.
by Charlie Kelly on Nov 9, 2009 6:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Look around the league
There are alot of good teams going down this weekend. Lots of upsets around the league, I feel good that I can actually be proud that I have been a Packer fan through alot worse then what they are going through now. And still back them , unlike some that jumped ship with Farve…
by whooya on Nov 8, 2009 6:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Its time...
to spend some money to improve your football team. In this day in age you improve your NFL team through the draft and FREE AGENCY. When you draft OL with versatility and and not position skill it hurts. Its time to spend all that cap room on some big boys in the trenches and are the foundation of your football team. Its almost like your wasting all the talent you want to rely on at skill positions by not doing the football team a favor by not going and getting/paying worthy O-Linemen. Packers have a chance to be a great football team in these next couple years, they just have to be willing to pay some guys. I am sick of watching Rodgers be hit every week. Lets blame TT right now
by Frisco on Nov 8, 2009 6:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
MM, goodbye!
I had enough with him. He has an uncanny ability to groom and furnish the team’s weak points and let them grow until they take over the entire team. When fundamental errors repeat over and over again, like stupid penalties and terrible playcalling, there’s no blaming but the coach.
This team is so close to becoming a juggernaut yet so far away, that I feel a different coach will make such a big difference. And you got so many great options this year: Cowher, Dungy, Gruden, Holmgren, Shanahan – all with credentials. I’d particularly be happy to see Gruden back in Green Bay, and I think he will be happy too.
by A-Rodge12 on Nov 8, 2009 6:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yes
The penalties are the most telling aspect. Mike McCarthy was supposed to be a tough guy who preached the fundamentals. His teams have been consistently very penalized.
They make the same stupid mistakes week after week.
And the man can’t playcall to save his life.
by dishingoutdimes on Nov 8, 2009 6:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"And the man can’t playcall to save his life."
The argument against Vikings head coach Brad Childress. Tho he’s gotten better……(up for debate)
Ski-U-Mah!
by CrazyCollegian on Nov 8, 2009 6:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Amen to that brother.
Oh to see Holmgren walk back inot the stadium again, to raise another star QB. Cowher would be awsome, so would Dungy. Gruden would even be a good choice, of a course after bowing out to the previous 3. Not sure about Shanahan, but hell you got 4 good shots before that. One other, I hear the “Tuna” is about done playing around in FL.
by ShawnH on Nov 9, 2009 1:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dungy is NOT coming back to coaching…you can give that one a rest. He’s a family man. He has everything he could ever want and now he’s moved on.
I can’t see Holmgren coming back. Just doesn’t make sense.
Cowher won’t want to come up here to GB unless the money is just SICK and I can’t see that happening.
Gruden could be available but he’s goign to be on a lot of lists. The good thing is that last year there were what 12 new head coaches so we might not have a TON of competition this year…the teams that might be looking will be “sexier” options though (Dallas, Washington, etc.)
by TrevorR on Nov 9, 2009 9:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
petition
Lets all get a petition going to get rid of MM… Not that they would listen but what the heck, need to get something out there for him to see what we really think of him and what he is doing to our Packers!
by whooya on Nov 8, 2009 6:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gosh
Play calling if you want to call it that was absolutely terrible today….
by whooya on Nov 8, 2009 6:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry
But the Vikings trolls are just sucking the life out of these threads. Someone please, please ban them.
by Cheeseandcorn on Nov 8, 2009 6:31 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
very true
Some of us actually want to discuss football.
Ski-U-Mah!
by CrazyCollegian on Nov 8, 2009 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I’ve got no quarrel with you — I’m all for good conversation with fans of other teams. It’s these other morons who need to be kicked out.
by Cheeseandcorn on Nov 8, 2009 6:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you!
That is what these blogs are for after all right? I love football, and being able to come on here and talk about is awesome.
by packallday555 on Nov 9, 2009 1:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
then flag them
id rather have a 24 year old (human years) dog that has advanced parkinson’s batting for our team than vlad.
-BoeJouma
by blackoutsox on Nov 8, 2009 9:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually was trying to flag Loki the Viking "god" earlier today.
Couldn’t do it, because my computer didn’t have a “submit” button on the flagging option. I’m using Firefox 3.5 on a Mac OS X, version 10.4.11
I am German by ancestry. On November 9, I will be joining my fellow Germans in celebrating the 20th anniversary of Die Mauerfall. I have been to Berlin, seen what remains of the Wall, and seen the line where the Wall once divided the city.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 8, 2009 11:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
fat lot of good flagging does
I’ve flagged plenty of trolls, and they’re still here.
by swilldog on Nov 9, 2009 9:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike McCarthy
Jeopardy answer: "A bicycle built for two – NOW! "
Question: What mode of transportation should Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson use to leave Green Bay this week, and when should they do this?
W
by Wigglesworth on Nov 8, 2009 6:32 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
vikings fans
im sick of vikings fans coming over here and running their mouths. the vikings have won nothing yet, yes they seem to have the division wrapped up. we have all seen this before. the vikings dominating the regular season they laying an absolute egg in the playoffs. viking fans, please get lives and stay off our site, especially when we arent even playing the vikings. Minnesota fans, you guys just go count your superbowl trophies and have fun.
by BenSheets15 on Nov 8, 2009 6:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You must be new here
Ben, this is how it works. Packers fans talk all kinds of smack at Daily Norseman. Back when they won the preseason super bowl, they were bold and brazen. Vikings fans come here and do the same.
Now it is clear that your team sucks and ours is one of the best. So we are now coming in larger numbers and you guys are coming in smaller numbers. We get to rub it in for a while and enjoy this. Why? I don’t know to be honest. Boredom coupled with an obsession with football I suppose.
Vikings have won nothing yet? Well, then it has sure been a fun season of nothing for us. And you know what, if they make it to the NFC Championship game and lose I’ll still be happier about it than fans of a team that didn’t even make the playoffs.
Packers have won one super bowl in the last 40 years. Yes the Vikes have yet to win one. All your elite condescending “vikings fans can’t even comprehend how awesome it is to be us” BS attitude is based one season out of 40.
Just face it. Your team has nothing to be happy about right now. We got Brett. You are on the way to another disappointing season. Just let us enjoy our little day in the sun. There were years past when your team was better and there will be years to come when it is as well. But right now, when it matters most, it is the year of the Vikings. As much as you want to wish it away you’re going to have to live with it for a while longer.
by Sand0 on Nov 9, 2009 7:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess the high road wasn't an option?
by Charlie Kelly on Nov 9, 2009 9:11 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What do you expect?
He’s a Vikings fan and he has to live in Minnesuckalos. It puts him in a permanent bad mood.
by ktenreb on Nov 9, 2009 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
An Outside perspective..
I"m a cowboys fan just doing a little research for next weeks game.. (I promise I’ll not emulate these Viking punks)
And.. who have the Vikings really beat? (Sorry Pack fans…I know you account for 2 of those losses)
And.. who have the Vikings really beat? (Sorry Pack fans…I know you account for 2 of those losses) SF (weak) Lions.. Browns..Rams…Ravens (decent win) Packers twice (decent wins but not worth as much credit as many thought in the pre-season) and lost to an improving Steeler team..
And.. who have the Vikings really beat? (Sorry Pack fans…I know you account for 2 of those losses) SF (weak) Lions.. Browns..Rams…Ravens (decent win) Packers twice (decent wins but not worth as much credit as many thought in the pre-season) and lost to an improving Steeler team..The arrogance of Vikings fans is crazy this year. They have played weak opponents and been in trouble in more than a couple of these games. The team is good..there is no doubt. But to think that you are already writing your team in for the Superbowl is absurd.. New Orleans, Philly, Atlanta, Dallas, Arizona (maybe) are all teams that right now could certainly beat the Vikes.
And.. who have the Vikings really beat? (Sorry Pack fans…I know you account for 2 of those losses) SF (weak) Lions.. Browns..Rams…Ravens (decent win) Packers twice (decent wins but not worth as much credit as many thought in the pre-season) and lost to an improving Steeler team..The arrogance of Vikings fans is crazy this year. They have played weak opponents and been in trouble in more than a couple of these games. The team is good..there is no doubt. But to think that you are already writing your team in for the Superbowl is absurd.. New Orleans, Philly, Atlanta, Dallas, Arizona (maybe) are all teams that right now could certainly beat the Vikes.Learn your lesson for a Cowboys fan that’s been there…don’t count your chickens..
by SDTrueblue on Nov 9, 2009 6:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ahh
lions and typos and bears..
Oh my!
by SDTrueblue on Nov 9, 2009 6:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who have they beaten?
Yeah we hear that crap all the time. I guess the only “real” team is the team they lost to. But they played just as well as the Steelers in that game it was just that the Steelers got two defensive TD’s that were set up by the bounce of an oblong shaped ball. Both those balls could have bounced in a different direction and we’d be 8-0 right now.
But luck isn’t something to complain about because by the time 16 games are played luck will have evened out.
Anyways, the reason we are so confident and high on our team is that they have crushed some teams this year despite the fact that they still aren’t playing near their ability. Last year the defense and running game was much better with the same personel as this year. But defense and rushing didn’t get good until the second half when the Vikings went on a tear. Last year we couldn’t pass all season. This year they are one of the better passing teams in terms of efficiency. Last season the Vikings basically had the worst special teams in the history of the NFL. This year their special teams might be the strength of the squad.
Defense and running game just need to get where they’ve been last two seasons without special teams or offense regressing and this is an elite team. Plain and simple. Tons of talent.
by Sand0 on Nov 11, 2009 7:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Crushed?
Who have you crushed. I’ve watched EVERY Viking game and I can’t put my finger on more than 2 teams that you have crushed. They were losing to both the Lions and Browns at halftime and while they pulled away in the second half, you can’t call THAT crushing them. The Ravens 49ers and Packers all closed in on the Vikings in the second half and all almost stole the game away. They played tough with the Steelers but PLEASE don’t start with the “ball bouncing the other way” crap. If the ball bounced a different way in at least three other games they would be .500 right now too.
The improvement on ST is pretty remarkable. YOu are right the Vikes were BRUTAL on ST last year. I remember the Saints game and thinking, how can they be THIS bad?!?! Now that is how I feel about the Packers ST.
by TrevorR on Nov 11, 2009 8:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
By the way...
I’ll give ya the Rams. But heck the Packers have “crushed” more teams than the Vikings have.
by TrevorR on Nov 11, 2009 8:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
I’m sorry sand0 but you guys have ONLY crushed the Rams, and even that game wasn’t as big a blow out as it would appear because of the Rams 3 turnovers inside the Vikes 20 yard line.
You guys have looked great at times but have never really been able to put a full game together.
by packallday555 on Nov 11, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Get rid of M&M
But keep Thompson. he seems like he’s pretty good at finding talent. Get a good coach and the Packers are scary again.
Ski-U-Mah!
by CrazyCollegian on Nov 8, 2009 6:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Did you watch TT’s o-line today? It’s the worst in the league! After 5 years, TT owns it and it stinks. They need to rebuild the whole damn thing again! 5 years of rebuilding and this is your result. If TT has shown anything it’s that he’s just not that good a judge of talent. But wait! Don’t answer now, because you’ll also get a fullback fiasco, punter parade, backup safety botch-ups all until 2013. Here’s hoping that his legendary people skills will earn him a knife in the back.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Nov 9, 2009 2:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No way
Turning the Packers into the Midwest version of the Dan Snyder experience (and the disaster he’s been for the Redskins) with constant roster turnover, free agent disasters, and coaching turnover, isn’t going to solve anything.
by Brandon on Nov 9, 2009 2:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dan Snyder????
Signing a free agent guard who doesn’t suck would make Thompson Dan Snyder?
Not following you on that one . . . .
by ktenreb on Nov 9, 2009 6:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
False dichotomy
Who said anything about FAs or emulating the Deadskins? The point is that TT does not draft that well. He’s had a ton of picks in his five years and the team on the field is what he’s gotten out of those picks. So, if you want to stay away from FAs, TT is in fact not your guy because he does not present a viable alternative to the Snyder model
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Nov 9, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he doesn’t? The stats might show otherwise though. What is your argument for him not drafting well? He missed on Harrell? A few players didn’t make the roster?
by TrevorR on Nov 9, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
35-37
The team you saw yesterday is his, it’s built with his draft picks. That is your pudding. Not very good is it?
Since Tom Braatz’s second coming, the Deadskins, run under the model-that-must-not-be-emulated, are 34-38.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Nov 9, 2009 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
TT should be run out of town by a mob waving torches. Then we let the new GM figure out how to get rid of Mc if he can’t turn it around…fast.
by jabuddha on Nov 9, 2009 9:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wrong order
McCarthy has clearly shown he should go first. Along with the vast majority of the coaching staff.
If Thompson can man up and admit that the draft and the waiver wire aren’t the ONLY ways to build a team – and do something about it by signing some legit talent on the O-line – then he can stay. If he can’t do that, then it’s buh-bye time for him, too.
by swilldog on Nov 9, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
The talent is on this team. Most of the people felt that way early in the season…clearly sloppy play, poor play calling and penalties are killing us and those get traced back to the head coach. I am not ready to blow up the 3-4 though, I like that move even though it rendered our best defender as ineffective.
by TrevorR on Nov 9, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
All TT has do is start spending money on FAs and trying to make big deals through trades.
by packallday555 on Nov 9, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So
bye bye Ted then?
"You have no honor!" - McClung to Fukudome
by zsxander567 on Nov 9, 2009 10:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this is what will happen
I think this is what will happen. TT will throw MM under the bus to keep him around. This time its time to hire a GOOD coach. When he hired MM, I was beside myself in frustration. Then he got the team to play really well in his first 2 years and he started to win me over but his coaching has shown a lot of the same crap…LOTS of penalties, LOTS of poor decisions. MM is going to be gone after this year, TT isn’t going anywhere and I dont think he should until we get one mroe year to see if he can move beyond “rebuilding”.
by TrevorR on Nov 9, 2009 9:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gruden would take you guys to the SB...
IF Thompson would let him pick up a few key FA’s. He added some key pieces that put us over the top for our ring in 2002.
by FLBoy84 on Nov 8, 2009 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NOOO
By god, man- what kind of a fan are you? Gruden sucks at evaluating talent- he fixed everything by bringing in veterans and patching things up- temprorarily. That being said- Gruden is a very good coach when it comes to playing with what
Why do you kill threads????
by Some other guy who does not care on Nov 8, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
*he has
Why do you kill threads????
by Some other guy who does not care on Nov 8, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we most certainly have the talent now
id rather have a 24 year old (human years) dog that has advanced parkinson’s batting for our team than vlad.
-BoeJouma
by blackoutsox on Nov 8, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not Gruden
His tenure in Tampa was far too tumultuous. He had way too many players calling him devious and a back stabber. We don’t need that.
by ktenreb on Nov 9, 2009 6:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TT
TT doesnt believe in picking up players through free agency, That limits potential of picking up some really good players. He needs to expand that way, That is all he needs to do and of course time will tell if he has enough guts to get rid of MM.
by whooya on Nov 8, 2009 6:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I do thnk he does an ok job, but he MUST lose this fear of FA. Although, I maybe wrong, and sorry if I am, did he not pick up Woodson. Even if he did, he did it once right, now lets try and do it again.
by ShawnH on Nov 9, 2009 1:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He is a little too cautious and is always looking to find that cheap guy with upside. The problem is you strike out 5 to 1 on guys like that. Woodson was the homerun but most of the others have been strike outs.
by TrevorR on Nov 9, 2009 9:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This team needs more
Nuts. Balls. Cojones. Grit. Toughness. They’ve got decent talent but our O-Line looks as if they’ve got thongs on underneath their pads. Our defense has shown flashes of nastiness but there’s no sense of urgency, and we can’t keep up the tough streak. There’s one way to change that – Coaching. McCarthy seems like a great assistant coach in my opinion but not the head coach this team needs. LIGHT A FIRE UNDER THEIR A$$ES because this is…Unacceptable. Thoughts?
by ilovethegbpackers on Nov 8, 2009 7:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I could've swore a saw a whale tail on one of the plays where Colledge was getting beat.
by Charlie Kelly on Nov 8, 2009 7:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Are we doing everything we can to win games, or are we doing everything we can to run a certain thing that we want to run? I want to win, and I want to do whatever it takes to win. At some point you have to take the handcuffs off and let the boys play." - Cullen Jenkins 11/01/09
by PackaCracka on Nov 9, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Accountability
I would be all in favor of McCarthy and the whole lot of the coaching staff getting put on a bus, and that bus be driven off a bridge, except for the fact that the world would lose out on the skills of a highly valued bus driver.
Week after week of special teams failures, offensive line breakdowns, Rodgers holding on to the ball longer and longer, stupid penalties, blown coverages… someone needs to be held accountable. Unless this team turns it around in heroic fashion, it’s time to send Mike “Pad Level” McCarthy to the unemployment line.
by swilldog on Nov 8, 2009 10:08 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Bring in a coach who teaches discipline instead of talking about it
Pittsburgh mentality? Bring in the real deal—Cowher.
Or Holmgren, Gruden, Dungy…somebody please.
At this point, I’d rather root for them to lose so McCarthy will be fired.
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
by Michael M on Nov 8, 2009 10:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
packers
your franchise is a complete mess! Go vikings!
P.S.: I don’t need to count previous superbowl trophies, I’m in the present, not the past! haha
by favrealicious on Nov 8, 2009 10:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
good luck in the present...
when that former Packers QB actually retires, then your back to Franchise QB T. Jackson. Bummer man. Better party hard in the present
by Frisco on Nov 8, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There aren't any in the present either
Oh wait, I forgot. Apparently they moved the Superbowl up to November or at least you would think that by the way you guys act.
by Charlie Kelly on Nov 8, 2009 11:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Flagged.
Apparently, that problem I was having earlier has been rectified.
I am German by ancestry. On November 9, I will be joining my fellow Germans in celebrating the 20th anniversary of Die Mauerfall. I have been to Berlin, seen what remains of the Wall, and seen the line where the Wall once divided the city.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 8, 2009 11:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
nice
id rather have a 24 year old (human years) dog that has advanced parkinson’s batting for our team than vlad.
-BoeJouma
by blackoutsox on Nov 9, 2009 6:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Have a feeling you still maybe
Who knows, don’t for see a SB victory for you guys this year, but that’s just my opinion. If you happen to get it right, and some luck. Good job. First one in how long? Oh and by the way, you can turn right around and forget about it, because your only in the present.
by ShawnH on Nov 9, 2009 1:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The only people that DON’T live in the past are the ones with a TERRIBLE one! haha Face it your team ALWAYS falls apart and then you’ll crawl back into the little hole you just came out of. Your team has never had a present and has no past.
by TrevorR on Nov 9, 2009 9:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
favrealicious
first of all you cant count previous superbowl trophies becasue you have none and as for the prestent, its week 9 and no won wins a superbowl week 9. so back to your owen site and get a fucking life
by BenSheets15 on Nov 9, 2009 12:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Was that ever a painful game to watch. I’ve never seen an NFL team have as bad of an o-line that we do, and have also never seen a team cover a kickoff more poorly then we do.
Oh and Kapinos is the WORST punter in the league.
I usually am not one to make rash decisions, but we need to clean house. McCarthy needs to do. He isn’t a good coach as far as the x’s and o’s goes, and he also isn’t a good “motivator”. I really think we might have the worst o-line I’ve seen in a LONG time and our special teams is easily the worst in the league. I’ve never seen Kapinos punt a ball longer then 40 yards, and to add to it all of his punts stay in the air for 3 seconds tops. CUT HIM!
And I don’t know who our STs coach is but FIRE HIM! There is no better way to kill momentum then allowing a 70 yard kick return after getting some points.
And even though our offense is very good aside from our horrible o-line, I can’t STAND to watch them because McCarthy is a HORRIBLE play caller. Merriam-Webster should put McCarthy’s picture next to the word predictable. I honestly feel that I could do a better job calling the plays for our team. He doesn’t know football and sure as hell doesn’t ever have us ready to play. FIRE HIM!
We need to bring in Shanahan, Gruden, or Holmgren asap. And the first order of business should be changing back to the 4-3, allowing our CBs to play bump n run again. With Jenkins, Pickett, Raji, and Kampman I have a really hard time believing that they wouldn’t consistently get pressure EVERY single play. And then after that we should use that $25 mill in cap room we have to sign some real T’s.
It’s so frustrating watching a team who has good young talent underacheive so much. A blocked punt for a TD? Seriously? A 80 yard kickoff return? Having Barbre actually play at RT? Are you FUCKING kidding me? Barbre is without a doubt the worst RT in the ENTIRE league. I know that might seem like a reach, but I truly believe it. Not once today did I actually see him sustain a block, and that’s not an exaggeration.
by packallday555 on Nov 9, 2009 12:55 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
packallday Promised not to post here much anymore
So I will keep this post short & without original fault. Just have to say, welcome to the “doorway of the dark side.” You know as well as I do that the only way these guys go ASAP is if the Packers keep suffering. In the long run, its best to just rip the bandaid off. You remember what I said about Forrest Gregg. I know you will not go all the way down the road that I have, but that’s OK.
Hang in there.
by puddnhead on Nov 9, 2009 8:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
SEriously…the special teams has been ATROCIOUS lately. He must go. I don’t know if firing him mid season makes sense, but he needs to be demoted to ball boy or something cause our ST is constantly getting SHREDDED. Against Harvin I was able to justify it but not against Tampa. That was inexcusable.
I don’t want our corners going back to bumping again…don’t you remember how we had about 3-4 penalties A GAME during those years from the corners. Its an old outdated style of play that with the new rules just doesn’t make sense. Plus its a high risk style of play that needs exceptional safety play to make up for those times when the corner misses the bump.
I don’t know how i feel about Gruden. I think he rode Dungy’s team and then they were just mediocre after that. Shanahan could be interesting…he might be able to get this line to actuall block someone. You can’t argue with his success. give him all the money and power he wants! I can’t see any reason why Holmgren would want to come back though…he’s off to WAshington I think.
by TrevorR on Nov 9, 2009 9:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
don’t want our corners going back to bumping again…don’t you remember how we had about 3-4 penalties A GAME during those years from the corners.
I do but it’s clear that the zone scheme just isn’t working for Harris or Williams. Plus, having Jenkins, Pickett, Raji, and Kampman as down lineman would cover up many slip-ups from our CBs. Which is kinda similar to what the Vikes line does for their secondary.
You might be right about Gruden but is a tough guy, and I know he would have our team ready to play, which McCarthy certainly can’t do. Shanahan would be my #1 preference.
by packallday555 on Nov 9, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not saying zone is right, there are other options…Its not just zone or b’n’r. Remember we were the ONLY team still running it…its a BAD way to play with the current rules. Maybe you forget all the penalties already it was an awful way to cover and clearly the league wants it gone or they wouldn’t have made the changes they have over the past 5 years. We were just slow to change from it. Occassionally playing the bump is okay but not EVERY play like were doing.
by TrevorR on Nov 9, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I don’t necessarily think we need to do it every play we did under Sanders but it does play to our secondaries strengths.
by packallday555 on Nov 9, 2009 10:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
FireMikeMcCarthy.com
Is it already registered, or should I go ahead and do it now?
You know where I'm from.
by Archimedies on Nov 9, 2009 12:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
okay I think I am on board with this one now. I didn’t like him when he was hired…then he started to win me over some but I jumped back off the cliff now. This team is undiscaplined, sloppy, and can’t seem to excel at ANYTHING. He needs to go and I think he will cause TT will have to do that to get the heat off of him.
by TrevorR on Nov 9, 2009 9:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And
Mitchell can you just ban all the idiots that come over here just to talk shit? Every single thread on our site turns into a big debate. I clicked on this thread to see if some other people were as angry about our teams performance today as I was, but instead it was filled with idiots talking shit.
Someone said it earlier in the post, and it’s so true. All these idiots are really sucking the life out of our blog.
by packallday555 on Nov 9, 2009 1:02 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
It would be nice if everybody agreed with you all the time. Welcome to life.
by ktenreb on Nov 9, 2009 7:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's about disagreement
It’s more about the way they carry themselves. There are many Viking fans with different views that are welcomed here because they can type out a coherent sentence and act like adults. But then you get guys like Chillysucks who just come here with the purpose of annoying people.
by Charlie Kelly on Nov 9, 2009 7:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
EXACTLY
It’s not at all about them disagreeing with me. It’s about the idiots like chillysucks and packerslayer who come over here ONLY to tell us our team sucks.
by packallday555 on Nov 9, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t mind when people come in with differing views. This place would be boring if everyone felt the same. But idiots that just come in and leave the same stupid messages or just come in to say some lameass comment about the packers sucking and the vikings being great is dumb and useless.
by TrevorR on Nov 9, 2009 9:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
And then people respond back to them, and our whole thread starts to become a shit talking party.
by packallday555 on Nov 9, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
That’s why I ignore GGGarner. I encourage the rest of you to do the same.
That’s two agreements between us for the day. I’d better stop posting now.
by ktenreb on Nov 9, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Geez man
You really won’t let go of a grudge, willya?
There’s nothing wrong with a different view point, but
your franchise is a complete mess! Go vikings!
P.S.: I don’t need to count previous superbowl trophies, I’m in the present, not the past! haha
Probably another NFL replay of the Packers losing…..again. I love watching those. Replay it up.
my football team, the VIKINGS (don’t you wish you had one), is on a bye this week, so i was surfing the channels and found this great comedy on FOX. a group of losers imitating a pro football team. so let’s cut the crap……rodgers is an average, at best, qb and your team sucks. the only good thing you ever had as a team is now a MINNESOTA VIKING, now go kiss your sister…..no tounge
are not examples of different view points. They’re examples of middle-school maturity
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Nov 9, 2009 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't post that
I hate the Vikings. But I tip my hat to them this year since they kicked our ass. Twice.
by ktenreb on Nov 9, 2009 8:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sigh
The grudge I was referring to was you and 3G.
The whole comment thread started with packallday555 asking to be rid of the useless posts that I quoted above. You commented that not everyone was going to agree with you on everything (correct) and I responded as I did above. I am well aware that you didn’t post that and never implied that you did. Just relax.
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Nov 9, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate the Vikings. But I tip my hat to them this year since they kicked our ass. Twice.
I might be wrong but I think the real reason “you tip your hat to them” is because they acquired this guy who used to be our Qb :).
by packallday555 on Nov 9, 2009 10:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You are wrong
They are the better team this year. God it hurts to write that, but it’s true and they proved it.
Look — you can’t get better if you deny the truth. To improve, you have to be brutal in your own self-evaluations. That’s why it looks like I’m ragging on everything relating to the team — it’s because I want to see improvement. I laid out my observations as to the teams’ present weaknesses, and got the usual insipid “how dare you criticize OUR TEAM” responses. But until those problems are addressed, I don’t see the team improving.
by ktenreb on Nov 10, 2009 6:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I know
They are without a doubt the better team right now. I don’t really doubt that for a second. We have no offensive line and we beat ourselves all the time. Because of those two reasons winning games is going to be hard for us the rest of the year.
by packallday555 on Nov 10, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
firing mac
i’ve been thinking alot during the last couple of games that the mental breakdowns and lack of discipline would never have happened under holmgren. that and the lack of imagination and adjustment in the play calling all point to a coaching quagmire and a future too painful to watch on tv… its game channel updates for me from now on.
by allen t on Nov 9, 2009 1:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Just wondering
For the last 4 games I have noticed one amazing fact. Watch it play after play. The yellow and green guy with the ball, always seems to be running away from the other color uniforms. Nobody in yellow and green ever tried to stop the other color uniform from chasing thier teamate. Now on the other side, the other color runners seem to be standing there forever, looking down field trying to find someone to throw the ball to. We played an 0-7 team today, 0-7 with a rookie QB, and he stood back there all day long looking for a reciever. Were is the pressure, where is the NEW defense we were told was coming this season, because right now, I’d take last years defense. Yeah we still lost, but at least it was exciting to watch a DE chase after thier QB for awhile.
by ShawnH on Nov 9, 2009 2:00 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I thought the pressure was there…we just couldn’t lock him down for sacks! He got away EVERY time we collapsed the pocket. It was very disturbing.
by TrevorR on Nov 9, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True but
He did elude many of our guys but towards the end of the game all we did was rush 3-4 guys and we rarely got a pass rush.
by packallday555 on Nov 9, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Give the kid some credit.
I think he’ll be a good one. He has a lot of composure for a young QB and handles himself well in the pocket.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Nov 9, 2009 7:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry about some of the comments
Just some garbage posts from Packerslayer, who’s been banned, he’s been commenting on APC for three weeks hasn’t written anything that hasn’t been flagged. And chillysucks was warned. Obviously that’s not everything that’s been flagged on this thread, but right now I’m just going after the worst of it. I really appreciate the APC readers for flagging the bad stuff so I know it’s not just me.
by Brandon on Nov 9, 2009 2:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
THANK YOU!
Thanks for making this place a better place already! Can you ban his IP address too so he can’t come back with a new name?!?!
by TrevorR on Nov 9, 2009 9:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That is what I am expecting a lot of people are doing...
just making a new account…and having at it without fear of sanctions. That is where the whole IP ban comes in ftw! I understand debate, but I wouldn’t tolerate the general crap spewed. There are some Vikings fans who come here and Packers fans that go to DN, and for the most part, they are usually civil. It is the morons who ruin it for both sides.
Looking to buy: General Manager Deputy Badge
by Bush League All Star on Nov 9, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Mr. McCarthy, get off the Hot Seat
Mitchell_M: “Mike McCarthy, you are officially on the hot seat. Please find a way to get off of it next week against Dallas.”
Us Vikings fans are praying that you keep your job. Keeping your job will ensure more victories for the Purple and Gold.
by aladdinwa on Nov 9, 2009 7:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Also, considering the Vikings are 3-5 against McCarthy's Packers
and you started off 0-5 against him, I don’t think he’s given you that many wins.
by Charlie Kelly on Nov 9, 2009 7:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stat of the day
Could not resist. Another way to look at that series record:
Series record since Childress/McCarthy were hired when neither team has Favre: 1-1. Both games nail biters, gong down to final minute.
Series record since Childress/McCarthy were hired for the team that has Favre: 6-0 Most of them lopsided victories.
Even I don’t think it’s that simple, but … it is an interesting stat.
by puddnhead on Nov 9, 2009 8:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sure, it's a fun little stat
but it’s not really very telling, since there’s only two games in the “neither team has Favre” category.
I really take how many “wins” a quarterback with a grain of salt, and it’s important for others to realize that it takes 22 players to win a game, not just one. It’s hardly like baseball where a great pitcher can have an incredible (or horrible) game and have the sole direct impact in winning it. Too many factors involved.
by vitaminx on Nov 9, 2009 6:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Last "Fire McCarthy" comment I'll make:
(in this thread, anyway!)
I knew the game was lost when McCarthy got completely sentimental and gave the rock to Ahman Green two rushes in a row so that he could get the all time Packers rushing record.
It was a close game. We needed to control the clock and put them away. But once Green got within spitting distance of the record, McCarthy fed it to him two in a row. I saw it coming, and clearly the Bucs saw it coming. It forced us into a 3rd and barely manageable, and then it was up to their D-line to treat our O-line like the little bitches they were. Punt. Game spirals out of control and it’s done.
Of course, the long kickoff return was the real killer, but even after they got their quick TD it was our game to lose. And boyhowdy, McCarthy sure saw to that.
But congrats to Ahman on the record. :-\
by swilldog on Nov 9, 2009 10:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
One of the best Packers
Ahman Green was a stud, he was like a retro Pocket Hercules There is nothing wrong with running the ball, that has been the Packer way (the NFC North way) for the past ten years. Grant had a good day, and I believe running the ball is the way to ice teams when you’re ahead. That said, it didn’t work one bit, did it?
"Are we doing everything we can to win games, or are we doing everything we can to run a certain thing that we want to run? I want to win, and I want to do whatever it takes to win. At some point you have to take the handcuffs off and let the boys play." - Cullen Jenkins 11/01/09
by PackaCracka on Nov 9, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if it wasn't so predictable
…and if our o-line wasn’t so mediocre, it probably would have been the right move to try to stuff it down their throats. But it was predictable, and our o-line was (is) mediocre.
I really think the injuries to Nelson and Finley have fully exposed McCarthy as a below average play caller. The fact that Lee, Havner, and Jones, Jackson, or one of our 12 fullbacks aren’t contributing more seems testament to the fact that McCarthy doesn’t know how to get them involved – which is especially egregious since Rodgers appears to regressing due to the pounding he’s taking trying to operate in that postage stamp sized pocket the line’s been giving him.
by swilldog on Nov 9, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t every coach pretty predictable when you have a lead later in the game? Most coaches would have done it too. Don’t get me wrong…not supporting MM…this was a TERRIBLE game.
by TrevorR on Nov 9, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
complete agreement here
That was a critical point in the game and the play-calling was not appropriate for the situation. You said it perfectly.
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Nov 9, 2009 8:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The o-line coach and special teams coach need to be fired today. Mccarthy should relieved of his duties as offensive coordinator. If they don’t finish 10-6 both he and Teddy-T. need to go at the end of the season.
Do the Packers have a pass play between 5 and 15 yds downfield? If they do they should call it once in awhile. It seems like Rodgers wants to throw the bomb on every play.
by Hinder on Nov 9, 2009 11:38 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The problem with "good young talent"...
is that it sounds nice but the simple fact is it DOES NOT WIN GAMES in the NFL.
Experienced, veteran teams win games. The best teams—NE, Indy, Pittsburgh—-have a core of pro bowl veterans and add a couple decent rookies every year.
Seriously, how many Packers do you expect in the pro bowl this year?
by CakeEater on Nov 9, 2009 2:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
good young talented teams GROW into experienced veteran teams…that is what people aren’t realizing here. The problem is that this team was rebuilding and then suddenly two years ago they blew up and went 13-3…unexpectedly. They were a good young team but that was premature. Suddenly expectations went WAY up and it threw off the rebuilding timetable. Don’t make a mistake this is still a team in rebuilding and the way I see it, next year would be about right for a time to move from rebuilding to the next stage. If TT can’t make that transition, then its time for him to go. I still have faith that he can but remember he was brought here to rebuild that Packers.
by TrevorR on Nov 9, 2009 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As a Cowboys fan..
This story sounds mighty familiar…
Difference being.. Dallas was a little bit further in their maturity than GB with some veteran players on the line. But still.. growing pains suck and they are only made more painful when one great season means expectations go through the roof.
Of that 13-3 season thought..what a game between us…that’s when I knew Rodgers was the real deal in the NFL
by SDTrueblue on Nov 9, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Farve would be in a wheelchair!!
The Packers should be stoked to have Rogers. If he was on the vikings he would have lit up the packers too! If Farvre was still with the Pack he’d be back on pain killers! This team has no experience. They have no attitude. And mostly they have no identity. Tons of talent but no leader.
by max vega on Nov 9, 2009 8:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
these would be the types of posts we're referring to ktenreb
explain to me how this drivel is presenting a differing viewpoint
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Nov 9, 2009 9:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ignore him if you don't like it.
It’s not devoid of substance. It’s stupid and argumentative, but at least it is something other than pure taunting. Do we have a leader on the team?
by ktenreb on Nov 10, 2009 6:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
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