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Hello Packers' faithful, I hope you're as excited about the game this week as we are, I think it should be a good one. Normally a few of our guys come over and extend an olive branch from our fans to yours, and I'm sure they'll be by soon enough, but I just had to put last week's debacle(s) behind me today, so I'm here a little early, hope you don't mind.

I'm especially excited for this one because I briefly spent some time a few years back in Wisconsin, in Madison, and was fortunate enough to visit Lambeau Field to see and hear all about the great history of your franchise. I was also witness to the passion that you fans have for your team and your players, and walked away with a great deal of respect for The Green Bay Packers (and the people of Wisconsin) as a whole. 

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So, before I gush more about my secret love of your team, I will open this up to any questions you may have about The Pittsburgh Steelers, and would like to invite you over to our SB Nation home, Behind The Steel Curtain, for any more discussions on our teams you'd like to have with a more varied cross section of Steelers fans.

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'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin

by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 15, 2009 10:05 AM CST reply actions  

Lately it seems like Big Ben has been getting the snot knocked out of him by opposing defenses, is there a serious OL issue? or is Ben guilty of holding on to the ball too long trying to make a play (similar to our own QB)?

Also, it seems like the Steelers no longer play very physical on offense. Is Arians playcalling a result of him not having any faith in the OL?

"I agree but dont agree"

by juggernaut400 on Dec 15, 2009 10:39 AM CST reply actions  

I’d say Ben’s issues with sacks are a result of both his patience with the ball in his hands, and our lines inconsistent play. We’ve got some talent up front, but no one is going to be able and block someone if they are unsure how long they’ll need to or where their QB will be next. If I personally had to place blame I’d say 40% line play, 40% QBing, and 20% playcalling. Which brings me to your next question…

We have an identity crisis on our hands like no other is Steelers history, in my opinion. We went from the tough, shove it down your opponents throats offense to a more pass happy team. That is a change that quite a few fans were not only not ready for, but a change they don’t want at all. Bruce Arians has not made many friends in the fanbase, to say the least. His comittment to the run is highly questionable and he is all over the place in terms of play selection. It seems he just loses track of the situations he is in on the field (ie: In the shotgun with 5 wides on 3rd and 1; calling long pass plays regularly when in reality we only need modest gains to keep the chains moving). These plays just seem to very rarely work, but he keeps going back to them in similar siuations. My opinion of Bruce is he’s stubborn to the point of unreasonable, and believes whole heartedly in what he is doing. While at times this is an admirable quality, this is not one of those times.

I’ll put it this way, his ideas of what our offense can do and should be doing, just do not mesh well with the fans. The fact the offense is stagnant currently and we’re losing to teams we “should” beat as a result has snowballed into an all out disgust with his gameplan.

'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin

by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 15, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Offense

What it your team identity on offense? I mean you have Big Ben at QB and he seems to have been given alot more responsibility, but you have always been a power running team. It seems to me you are in the middle of some kinda transition toward a more pass oriented offense. But the Steelers identiy has always been run and defense. Is there a transition taking place or are the steelers still a run team first?

Is it wise to change identities just because you have a top QB in place?

by Strohman on Dec 15, 2009 11:17 AM CST reply actions  

Hit the nail on the head...

The shift we made when Coach Tomlin took over was two fold. It was a change at the top but we also lost our offensive coordinator and O-line coach to Arizona. As a result, we changed blocking schemes (from man to zone) and changed offensive playcallers (from the Whiz, Whisenhut, to Bruce Arians). Bruce was a member of our staff before, as QB coach, so it was a move for continuity in the clubhouse and for Ben, but as a result we lost our old identity. We have shifted from the run heavy to the pass happy. To some degree the move was inevitable, with Ben progressing and his ability to take on added responsibilities. And when you realize where Arians was prior to us, Indianapolis with Peyton Manning, it’s fairly odvious where Arians gets his mentality from. But, instead of dipping our toes in the water that was this change, we went in head first.

To answer your question, our identity currently appears to be “In Ben We Trust” and it is as he goes we go. As you can tell by our record, this is not always a great way to go about it. It’s not that Ben can’t handle the responsibility, but he can’t do it all. He’s still growing mentally into this role and I think we’re seeing some severe growing pains. My hope, and I’d assume Bruce’s, is that these growing pains turn Ben into a field general similar to what Peyton is. I doubt anyone can do what Peyton does, to that level at least, but I can hope (so can Bruce).

'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin

by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 15, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

We have no identity on offense

In most 3rd and 1 situations, what would be the best play call? Some would say a run with a two tight end and a fullback set, or a playaction pass off the same set.

Now what does our offense do on 3rd and 1? We go 5 wide and run curls and slants. That kind of erratic playcalling will get you in trouble quickly.

We’ve gone away from Steeler football for three years now, and it’s starting to show in our records. Arians wants us to be the Colts, while the rest of the organization wants us to be the Steelers. It’s just not going to work. We all expect Tomlin to can him at the end of the season, along with our o-line coach.

by StoneColdSteel on Dec 16, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Is missing Troy Polamalu really the reason your defense went from stout to average?

He’s one player. I know Pittsburgh struggles mightily without Polamalu on the field, but he’s only one player. Are there any other issues on that defense which is causing your defense to struggle?

by Jabooty on Dec 15, 2009 11:43 AM CST reply actions  

Polamalu is not the be all and end all of our defense...

But when you lose the best player on the field, everyone is effected. Our corners don’t have the assistence they’re used to in coverage. The linebackers don’t have their extra man in the box who is everywhere he needs to be. The line and pass rushers don’t have the extra time his presence gave them to push the pocket and presure the QB. To sum it all up, he makes everyone just that much better. He makes the big “splash” plays that get the defense going. I don’t have the exact numbers, but in the four games he’s played in we have combined for something like 3 or 4 times the number of turnovers we have in the 9 games he has missed, collectively.

We’ve also lost Aaron Smith, who is as dominating as a 3-4 defensive lineman can be, and are having some real problems in pass coverage after replacing a starter from last year with his backup (Bryant McFadden out, William Gay in), who hasn’t played at the level he showed promise of last year. We have a young athletic linebacker (Lawrence Timmons) who has an increased role this year, but unfortunately he has also been slowed down by injury and hasn’t been quite what he was hyped to be as of yet. These roster moves seemed minor in the offseason, but the turnover cannot be overlooked as a possible reason for some of the drop off.

'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin

by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 15, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Aaron Smith. I personally thought that his loss would really hurt you. With us implementing our new 3-4 this year, we’ve all seen how effective the run defense can be when you have good, big d-line who eat up space, and are able to maintain their gaps.

by packallday555 on Dec 15, 2009 6:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah...

We were lucky. Lucky in the sense that the back ups came in and played well. Not to Smith’s level, but there aren’t many who are. Credit goes to Nick Eason, Travis Kirschke, and our rookie Ziggy Hood, who all rotated in at some point since then. Last time we lost Aaron, two seasons ago, we really took a big step back in rush defense.

'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin

by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 16, 2009 8:10 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd suggest going to watch some highlights of Troy

He is that good. As NYSF4 said, it is not the only reason there has been the big turnover, but I would say it is 70% of the reason. Even Peyton Manning, IMO the best QB to ever play, said he hates playing against Troy. He said is constantly keeping an eye on Troy and it distracts him from his game plan. If the Peyton has troubles with him, I cannot imagine what other QBs think.

There was some ridiculous stat last week during the Raiders game that alluded to how poor our pass offense has been this year. Referring to plays over 40 yards (or something like that), we had given up 3 last year. This year we had given up like 12 or something. I am not sure if those are the exact numbers, but the story is we are giving up a lot more big plays this year. Why? Troy Polamalu makes our pass coverage that much better.

His dynamic and erratic play adds the intensity and game-changing plays that this defense has been lacking this year.

The Hell that Tomlin & the Steelers have unleashed on me this December is indescribable.

by John Stephens on Dec 15, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll ask it...

After watching the Cle vs Pit game last week it just seemed like the steam has ran out of the engine for the season, how confident are you in the team playing up to the point they need to to win? I know everyone has said they are playing for pride, but playing for pride and playing to win are a lot of times 2 different things.. I still feel this is a good test for the Packers on the road at a place that a lot of teams struggle, but this isn’t the same team that beat the Vikings earlier this year.

Another question, what do you feel happens with Willie Parker after the year? I knew that Mendenhall was the heir apparent and was going to eventually get the top RB spot but I still can’t believe how far Willie has fallen. Anyway just a few random questions.

Greg Jennings.. Future All Pro

by mkcubs21 on Dec 15, 2009 2:07 PM CST reply actions  

Can’t deny we looked flat, and flat is probably an understatement. I think that the losses just compiled on our guys mentally, and the short week leading up to the Cleveland game didn’t help either. This is a group of guys not used to losing 2 or 3 in a row. Five is just plain painful. I have confidence in my team in every single game they play. I see an angry, hungry group of guys doing whatever it takes to win on Sunday. That being said, I thought that before every single game this year, so… yeah. If you want my honest opinion, we snuck out of that game against the Vikings with a win. While we played well, we caught some big time breaks in the fourth that swung the balance in our favor.

As far as Willie goes… it’s tough to say. As with most things it’s a combination of factors. Willie had some injuries that played their part. A leg injury that ended his season two years ago, and his turf toe that pushed Mendenhall into a starting role week 4. Last year there was a lot of problems with our offensive line, which could not open a hole for the life of them. This season, early on at least, he was not getting the holes consistently, and when they were there, he seemed to miss them. He did a lot of running into the back of his linemen (from what I hear, they just love that) and when he did, his legs seemed to slow or stop. He just couldn’t keep them moving, not good for a RB.

When you factor all that in, combined with his lack of pass catching prowess, and his blocking, which leaves a lot to be desired, he just hasn’t been able to find the field since his return (Mendenhall is a much more complete back). He’s had about 15 or so carries in the last month, but for the most part the spell back duties fall on Mewelde Moore. You may remember him from his days in Minnesota.

'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin

by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 15, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Zero

Can I say that as a Steelers fan?

I’ll go 1 in a 1,000.

The Hell that Tomlin & the Steelers have unleashed on me this December is indescribable.

by John Stephens on Dec 15, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Really?

This is just amazing to me. I know the feeling of doubt you have as this is exactly how I felt last year when we collapsed at the end of the year.

No offense or anything, but your guys’ collapse has been so surprising too me. It seems like some weeks you have lost because of your offense, like Browns game. Some games you have lost because of your defense, like the Raiders game. And some games it’s been special teams returns like the Chiefs game. I mean it’s clear you guys have some great talent on both sides of the ball. But for whatever reason it just doesn’t seem like you’ve been able to put it all together the past month or so.

However, I still think you guys have a great chance of beating us. I think offensively we’ll be able to pass the ball on you guys, but Harrison and Timmons coming off the edges scares me. If our OT’s can’t handle them, then we will struggle on offense and while I like our defense and think we’re probably top 10 in the league, I don’t want to get into a defensive battle with you guys. It should be a good game.

by packallday555 on Dec 15, 2009 6:35 PM CST up reply actions  

When our defense is clicking

We can shut down most offenses. But we are stuck in a rut and don’t appear to be going anywhere fast.

I actually think it’ll be a defensive battle. We tend to play up or down to our competition (as proven by the past five weeks). I just think both teams are going to get beat up in this game, which isn’t good for you guys since you’ll be looking to stay healthy going into the playoffs. I’m calling for a Packers win, 17-9.

by StoneColdSteel on Dec 16, 2009 12:04 AM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t necessarily argue against that prediction. I think you guys will score more then 9 points on us though.

by packallday555 on Dec 16, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

It has been very surprising to all Steelers fans. We all thought we would repeat with season predictions dipping to a minimum of only 12-4. Our season has been like a sinking row boat with a hole in it. Once we plug that hole with a finger another hole pops up. The cycle repeats.

It is Harrison and Woodley coming off the edges. Timmons is an ILB and spends more of him time in coverage (part of the attempt to shore up Troy’s absence). If you want to stop Harrison just hold him, no one ever calls it. Woodley had a slow start to the season but has caught fire on our losing streak.

I probably see the game being about 30ish to mid teens, in your alls favor. 31-17 sounds about right.

The Hell that Tomlin & the Steelers have unleashed on me this December is indescribable.

by John Stephens on Dec 16, 2009 7:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Sorry

I always get Woodley and Timmons confused. You think we’ll put up 31 on you guys!? So I assume you think Rodgers will be able to carve you guys a part to a degree? Your pass defense definitely has declined this year, which is probably due to the loss of Polamalu. I know you have Taylor at one Cb spot, and then is Gay the starter on the other side? I’ve never been very impressed with him very much. Has the loss of McFadden hurt your pass defense at all do you think?

by packallday555 on Dec 16, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Both KC and Oakland put up 27 points on us, so I wouldn’t be surprised if you surpassed 30. I have been very pessimistic since the Raiders game, so bare with me.

As far as I know, Ike and Gay are the starting CBs. Most of us over at BTSC thought Gay would be forced out when Tomlin said “there will be changes.” However, even after what looked like a concussion hit in the Raiders game Gay started. If you couldn’t tell from my avatar, I think William Gay is an awful CB. He is slow, can’t cover, doesn’t break up passes, and gets beat a lot. I wrote a pretty indepth article on the production of Ike and Gay here if you are bored and want to read it.

I half-heartedly mentioned that I thought McFadden was a bigger loss this year than Steeler fans presumed. However, I forgot much about that once we got off to a 6-2 start. Now after the 5 game losing streak McFadden’s absence has been as noticeable as Gay’s ineptitude. In Gay’s defense he was thrown into the position with no starting experience and he had played good a 3rd on the depth chart. We will definitely be drafting a CB and/or starting one of our rookies next year in place of Gay, who may end up being a back-up safety.

The Hell that Tomlin & the Steelers have unleashed on me this December is indescribable.

by John Stephens on Dec 16, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Both KC and Oakland put up 27 points on us, so I wouldn’t be surprised if you surpassed 30. I have been very pessimistic since the Raiders game, so bare with me.

Haha fair enough.

Haha I didn’t even look at your avatar but after looking at it your dislike for him has become clear. Yeah, I remember watching some games early on this year and it seemed like whenever teams did move the ball on your defense it was done at the expense of Gay.

I also noticed in those games that he always seems to give WRs pretty big cushions. Is he still doing this?

Yeah, while McFadden isn’t really great, I have always thought he is a pretty good, solid Cb, which is really all you guys need with the pass rush you normally generate.

by packallday555 on Dec 16, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

he always seems to give WRs pretty big cushions.

I HATE the fact that he never plays press. With a bump-n-run, that would give our pass rush just one more second to get to the QB, and that’s all we really need with Harrison and Woodley.

"Chris! That's a terrible word! Pussywillows..."
-Lois Griffin

by Steel Spike on Dec 16, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

Giving big cushions kind of gives the Qb an out anytime he is facing heavy pressure. If your Cb’s give our Wr’s big cushions then Rodgers will almost certainly exploit that. He loves throwing quick passes out to the Wr’s to give them a 1 on 1 chance, and loves the quick slants.

by packallday555 on Dec 16, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Slants will eat us alive 99% of the time.

'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin

by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 16, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Great news for us. When we can establish our short, quick passing games it usually helps our offense out.

by packallday555 on Dec 16, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

When we can establish our short, quick passing games

If you try to do that too much, Clark will cheat up and lay someone out in the flat (See: AFCCG last year). Also, I’m hoping to see more Keyaron Fox in short passing situations. Farrior was a good plug in the middle for those plays, but he can’t stay with speedy backs in coverage anymore. I wish we would only use Farrior for blitz packages, and let Fox handle all others.

"Chris! That's a terrible word! Pussywillows..."
-Lois Griffin

by Steel Spike on Dec 16, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, Clark is a big time hitter. It’s not necessarily something we look for on every pass play, but usually we try to hit a slant route or two on each one of our possessions.

I’m really intersted to see how our pass rush will do against your o-line. Obviously your o-line has struggled lately and Ben holding on to the ball from time to time certainly doesn’t help anything. Hopefully we’ll be able to pressure Ben a bit, and maybe force him into some poor decisions.

by packallday555 on Dec 16, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

We also have our best pulling guard out

Ramon Foster is serviceable, but he’s no Kemoatu

"Chris! That's a terrible word! Pussywillows..."
-Lois Griffin

by Steel Spike on Dec 16, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

McCarthy is the X-factor

You’re correct about the slants, but it depends on our play-calling. McCarthy has done better lately, but he’s due for a bad game and I wouldn’t be shocked if he goes away from the short passing game for no rational reason.

I also hope that he doesn’t try to stick with the run if its not working. Take away Grant’s huge run and our entire team averaged 3.3 yards/rush against a bad Chicago defense. We’re going to need to score some points, as Ben>Cutler and Ward/Holmes/Wallace>Knox/Bennet/Aromashodu.

by ACDC84 on Dec 16, 2009 9:36 PM CST up reply actions  

..but he’s due for a bad game and I wouldn’t be shocked if he goes away from the short passing game for no rational reason.

Haha I just wanted to point out “for no rational reason”. It seems like he does a lot of very irrational things.

I don’t think he’ll stick with the run. The majority of the games this year he has abandonded the run game, and the only times he doesn’t is when it’s not working or we’re playing a lesser team.

I really hope he continues to call the game the way he has been lately. Our offense is so much more effect when we run the short stuff to open up some intermediate and deep passes, instead of going deep/intermediate to open the short passes.

by packallday555 on Dec 16, 2009 10:04 PM CST up reply actions  

except

his play calling in the redzone or just short of… We are coming away with too many FGs or in Mason’s case too many missed FGs. It seems like he can march the offense down the field but then stutters out. We need those short quick passes when we are down in these situations and he seems like he calls too many runs when it is not working or pases in the endzone that take time to set up and usually result in a td drive ending sack.

by bizzle4 on Dec 17, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Generally, our CBs give a considerable amount of cushion. The defense is built around eliminating the big play. it is sort of a bend but don’t break system. We allow you to have the short stuff, but nothing big. This works great when you have a speedy SS with long hair who has his nose in seemingly every play. It does not work when your back-up is slow and not as intuitive. I am not sure why LeBeau has not tried to adjust the cushion considering we’ve been beat deep A LOT this year. Gay’s cushion is probably the biggest considering his lack of speed.

The Hell that Tomlin & the Steelers have unleashed on me this December is indescribable.

by John Stephens on Dec 16, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

The not-break approach could work out well for you, as our kicker, Crosby, is just terrible and will miss at least one kick, no matter how short it is.

by ACDC84 on Dec 16, 2009 9:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Good point

I didn’t think of that…but it’s very true and very likely. This scares me, especially with the goaline struggles we’ve had lately. It seems like the only time we score a TD is when it’s done from 15+ yards out.

by packallday555 on Dec 16, 2009 10:06 PM CST up reply actions  

It is supposed to generally be 3 and our or only give up 1 or 2 first downs. Ideally, it keeps the opponent pinned deep as we are dependent on field position (more so this year).

The Hell that Tomlin & the Steelers have unleashed on me this December is indescribable.

by John Stephens on Dec 17, 2009 7:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Article

Thanks for posting that link. That was a very well written article, and shows some interesting statistics.

It’s really surprising to see that statistically, Taylor hasn’t really been too good this year. Gay’s stats show that he is an absolutely horrid Cb. We have a play named Jarret Bush, who is our now our nickel due to Harris’ injury, that is likely just as bad as Gay. Doesn’t it just kill you to know that pretty much any time opposing Qb’s go at Gay, or in our case Bush, it’s probably going to be a completion.

Another thing to consider is your Cb’s stats could look a little worse because many teams no they can’t run on you, forcing them to try and pass the ball. But regardless, after reading that article and hearing some of the things I have from you and Steelfever I am much more optimistic that we’ll be able to move the ball on you guys well.

by packallday555 on Dec 16, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

many teams no they can’t run on you, forcing them to try and pass the ball

We held Football Jesus to 69 rushing yards, we also held the league leading rusher (Chris Johnson) to 57 yards in week one. Yeah, nobody runs on us, so are forced to throw it, putting an extreme amount of pressure on the secondary.

"Chris! That's a terrible word! Pussywillows..."
-Lois Griffin

by Steel Spike on Dec 16, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Fairly embarassing that I used no, instead of know but yeah I think the pressure your secondary faces because of your defense skews things a bit.

by packallday555 on Dec 16, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

is Gay the starter on the other side?

God I hope not. I want (and I’m not alone) to see what Lewis or Burnett can do.

Taylor isn’t the shut-down corner he used to be, but Willie Gay could maybe be a starter on the Bucs. Yes, he is a definite grand canyon-esque drop off after
B-Mac.

"Chris! That's a terrible word! Pussywillows..."
-Lois Griffin

by Steel Spike on Dec 16, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

“You’re correct about the slants, but it depends on our play-calling. McCarthy has done better lately, but he’s due for a bad game and I wouldn’t be shocked if he goes away from the short passing game for no rational reason.”

You’ve never seen Bruce Arians call a game. You’ll appreciate McCarthy after what you’ll see Sunday.

by StoneColdSteel on Dec 16, 2009 11:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Huh?

Reply fail?

"Chris! That's a terrible word! Pussywillows..."
-Lois Griffin

by Steel Spike on Dec 17, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

50/ 50...

I’m very boring, I know. I’m one of those people who really does believe in any given Sunday, so I’d argue that 50/ 50 is as good as it gets, in most cases.

You get the edge on offense, we get the edge on run defense, you get the edge on pass defense, we get the edge on special teams (which I haven’t said one time this year until now). It’s a toss up to me.

'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin

by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 15, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I think ST is a toss up…from what I am hearing the Steelers are the only group that has given up more TDs by special teams.

by TrevorR on Dec 15, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, it could be...

But from what I’ve read briefly, you are last or near last in the league. We’re right there with you though, ST could easily go either way.

'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin

by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 16, 2009 8:11 AM CST up reply actions  

In regards to your "edges"

I think run defense and special teams is a wash.
The Steelers are #1 in rushing ypg but by .1 yards. Steelers 84.9 and Packers #2 with 85.0. And on the season the Packers run defense has given up 3.6 ypc and the Steelers are at 3.7 ypc. That includes the first month of the season when the Packers were learning Capers new defense and got carved up by Benson and Steven Jackson in weeks 2 and 3. Since than they’ve been dominant.

And I think a more compelling stat is to compare how Adrian Peterson and Ray Rice (the best two RB’s both teams have each faced) did against both teams. Peterson averaged 3.0 ypc against the Packers and 3.8 against the Steelers. Rice averaged 3.9 ypc against the Packers and 4.6 against the Steelers. Both teams have only given up 4 rushing TD’s on the season as well. They’re both great at stopping the run so I wouldn’t give the edge to either side.

Special teams have been terrible for both teams as well so I wouldn’t give either team the edge. Blackmon was great at returning punts but then he got hurt and Nelson was doing really well on kickoffs and then he got hurt so it’s tough. Sepulveda is a better punter than Kapinos so that would be the only edge IMO.

by GGGamer on Dec 16, 2009 1:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Wow...

I didn’t give you guys the credit you deserved. Given the switch from 4-3 to 3-4, I guess I expected some drop off. You’re really rewriting the rules when it comes to a philisophical shifts in game plan. Those numbers are close.

'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin

by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 16, 2009 8:16 AM CST up reply actions  

It's to be expected

The Packers since the Sherman years have been explosive offensively and sieve-like defensively so a lot of folks don’t know how good the Packers defense is this season.

As I mentioned in the previous post, the defense was shaky for the first part of the season but now Capers has them playing great. As a Packer fan I was jealous of the Steelers and Ravens defenses for years and now I’m so glad to have Capers up here creating a solid unit.

by GGGamer on Dec 16, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't forget about...

Kevin Greene, you know, like the hall of fame voters did.

Isn’t he your linebackers coach? I know he worked with our guys every training camp. He brings a lot of experience and intensity to the table.

'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin

by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 16, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

yea

He is a linebacker coach.. And not to take anything away from their physical attributes but he has done wonders with our LBs this year. From what i read back in the preseason and training camp he has brought his intensity into coaching. And has light a fire under all the LBs. Barnett is playing at maybe his highest level he has ever played. Hawk has improved since last year and is actually playing somewhat physcial (still not as much as he should be) and the work him and capers have been able to do with the rookies is incredible

by bizzle4 on Dec 16, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Hawk scares me a bit

"Chris! That's a terrible word! Pussywillows..."
-Lois Griffin

by Steel Spike on Dec 16, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions  

This may seem weird but I want to ask you a question. In your opinion, looking from the outside in, what you rate Hawk on a scale from say, 1-10? Answer this without looking at stats, just judging him off of watching him in some games. (If you have seen him before. If not, then I guess looking at stats would probably be needed.)

by packallday555 on Dec 16, 2009 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I remember watching that guy at Ohio State

He was in the picture on every single play. If I were to look up the word “motor” in the dictionary it would probably have his picture in it.

But I would have to give him a rating of 5, because I rarely get to see him play and because he hasn’t been to a Pro Bowl yet. If I draft a linebacker in the top ten, he better the real deal.

He can still get better though. One of our linebacker, James Farrior, didn’t blossom until he came to the Steelers in 2003. He was 28 at the time.

by StoneColdSteel on Dec 16, 2009 11:30 PM CST up reply actions  

If you think

Hawk is under motor wait until you see Clay Matthews.. He must be under diesel engine…

But Hawk was awesome for the buckeyes but we have only seen glimpses of that raw power he has.

by bizzle4 on Dec 17, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions  

But Hawk was awesome for the buckeyes but we have only seen glimpses of that raw power he has.

Isn’t that frustrating? There are plays where he comes up and makes a big hit and I think wow, where did that come from? He’s shown he has the ability, it just seems like sometimes he is holding back or overthinking it out there.

by packallday555 on Dec 17, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope Haw does blossom into a big time player. He has been much better in the 3-4, and maybe he’ll finally turn into a 5th overall pick caliber player.

by packallday555 on Dec 17, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

as a run blocker, and in coverage I'd rate him about a 7.5

As a pure, passionate footy-ball player, a 9.

"Chris! That's a terrible word! Pussywillows..."
-Lois Griffin

by Steel Spike on Dec 17, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks

This reply goes to you and Stonecoldsteel. I was just wondering because there has been a lot of talk amongst Packers fans on this site about Hawk, and how he has been somewhat disappointing.

Just thought it would be interesting to get an outsiders perspective on him because you guys don’t know all the specifics like we do.

by packallday555 on Dec 17, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

All I know is that

if it’s a run play, or a pass within 10 yards of LoS, he’s there 80% of the time making a play, or really close to it.

"Chris! That's a terrible word! Pussywillows..."
-Lois Griffin

by Steel Spike on Dec 17, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

y'know speaking of Sherman

I wasn’t a member of this site (if it existed at the time) when he was our coach. I was wondering what people here thought about him considering he almost never ever gets mentioned even by people calling for McCarthy’s head. He may not have won a Super Bowl but I have a mostly fond rememberance of him as our head coach. I’m pretty surprised actually that he hasn’t found an NFL head coaching gig.

by Donald Driver on Dec 18, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

The

Steelers used to have a really good screen game. Have they given up on that?

by GBfan73 on Dec 15, 2009 4:27 PM CST reply actions  

Yes we have.

Our off. coordinator, Bruce Arians, has gotten away from that. He’ll occasionally run a middle screen to TE Heath Miller, but other than that screens are far and wide apart in this offense.

All of us at BTSC expect Arians and our special teams coach to be fired after the season.

by StoneColdSteel on Dec 15, 2009 11:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Watch for the quick screen to Santonio...

It’s the only screen we run regularly, and it actually works most of the time. I’d expect at least one this week.

'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin

by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 16, 2009 8:12 AM CST up reply actions  

This is perhaps the most surprising to me...

Given the success you’ve had in the past.

I was amazed last year watching Moore really carve up defenses when those plays were called. Bruce has gotten away from what I loved about Steeler Football the “Black and Blue” attitude.

by GreenandGolder on Dec 16, 2009 8:44 AM CST up reply actions  

hmmmm...

this is a tough game.

we may know going into the game whether or not we can wrap up a playoff spot. If cowgirls lose and we win then we secure playoff spot.

when was the last time a playoff team wrapped up a playoff spot in week 14?

Steelers are the Steelers, the only franchise that compares to the Packers. While the cowgirls have a lot of fans, they don’t have any depth or quality.

They will always be tough to beat at home. They have pride, they have respect for the game of football.

This is a great game for the Pack. All our playoff games are on the road. Great test for our team.

QB = good
WR = while I dont like Ward, he is good
RB = Mendenhall is good
Defense = better than average

Packers will probably lose…don’t know why, but they will probably will.

by Acme on Dec 15, 2009 10:55 PM CST reply actions  

wild card team

when was the last time a wild card team secured a playoff spot.

we may secure a spot before a division leader (cards)

by Acme on Dec 15, 2009 11:37 PM CST up reply actions  

hehe
while I dont like Ward, he is good

NOBODY outside Steeler Nation likes Ward. The man is a line backer, who just so happens to play WR. Well, maybe not a LB, but a knockout strong safety.

"Chris! That's a terrible word! Pussywillows..."
-Lois Griffin

by Steel Spike on Dec 16, 2009 12:23 AM CST up reply actions  

I love Hines Ward

So I’m an exception to the nobody. I love guys that play hard and don’t go out of their way to show boat. He’s been my favorite AFC reciever for years and I don’t think he’s as dirty as he’s made out. If he was going at dbacks knees or chop blocking linebackers from behind then they would be right, but he just busts guys straight up. Great player.

by GGGamer on Dec 16, 2009 12:36 AM CST up reply actions  

See, if linebackers didn’t have glass jaws, there wouldn’t be an NFL rule named after him.

"Chris! That's a terrible word! Pussywillows..."
-Lois Griffin

by Steel Spike on Dec 16, 2009 1:17 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree

I love Ward, in a league where most receivers are whiny prima donna pussies, it’s nice to see a guy who plays physically and doesn’t mind laying someone out on a block.

by Charlie Kelly on Dec 16, 2009 6:28 AM CST up reply actions  

I like Ward too

I don’t like the Steelers, probably because they have won the Lombardi trophy twice very recently and there are alot of really annoying fans at the sportsbar I frequent on Sundays. But I do respect what they have done, and I really like Ward. He doesn’t run his mouth or act like a diva, and despite a lack of speed he continues to get it done. It’s fun to see a WR turn the tables and make DBs watch out for him.

by ACDC84 on Dec 16, 2009 9:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll as you guys a question

since nobody has come over to the BTSC and done a similar post.

What’s up with Al Harris? 35 years old and still playing lights out? I thought corners were supposed to be washed up by the time they were 31 or 32, and sometimes MUCH sooner.

"Chris! That's a terrible word! Pussywillows..."
-Lois Griffin

by Steel Spike on Dec 16, 2009 12:25 AM CST reply actions  

One Word: Athleticism (or lack thereof)

His athleticism goes both ways because he’s never been quick, he’s never been fast but he’s been labeled the strongest player on the Packers pound for pound and he is very intelligent. Since he was never fast and never overly quick, his age hasn’t been that much of a factor. That being said, his career (as an effective player) might be done since he tore his ACL and he is 35. It’s wait and see now.

by GGGamer on Dec 16, 2009 12:41 AM CST up reply actions  

See

I didn’t know about the ACL. Expect a severe drop off when/if he comes back.

Speaking of which, who is his replacement, and how do you think he will do against our spectacular (snicker) offense?

"Chris! That's a terrible word! Pussywillows..."
-Lois Griffin

by Steel Spike on Dec 16, 2009 1:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Tramon Williams

I don’t really know what to expect with him, he struggled against the Ravens mediocre receivers and got many pass interference calls but at the same time he recovered from the mistakes to make two game changing plays. I think he’ll be alright Sunday. By the way, is Santonio Holmes the second receiver behind Ward or is it the other way around?

by Charlie Kelly on Dec 16, 2009 6:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Love the screen name by the way...

You can never discount the wildcard.

They swap back and forth. Actually, you’ll probably see some slot work from Hines too. They move around, looking for match ups and setting up blockers on run plays. Watch Hines in motion, you never know whether he’s setting up a route, or getting ready to knock someone to the ground. Santonio has turned into a pretty good blocker too.

'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin

by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 16, 2009 8:24 AM CST up reply actions  

I hope when Hines retires he stays on to be our WR coach.

"Chris! That's a terrible word! Pussywillows..."
-Lois Griffin

by Steel Spike on Dec 16, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

GB Secondary

Williams had a really rough game on MNF vs Baltimore, but he has the speed and talent to be a good #2 corner when he’s on his game. Our nickelback, Jarret Bush, is just plain awful, though he had a decent showing last week. If I was your offensive coordinator, I would deploy alot of 3-WR sets and go after Bush.

Woodson moves all over the field, and it seems like Ward and Holmes are more or less even, though I know they are different kind of receivers. My point is that match-ups will be changing all game long. I’m hoping that Capers is ready to dial up alot of pressure, as our secondary can be thrown on when a good QB has time to throw.

Last week Capers unveiled a nickel package dubbed “psycho” which is a 1-5-5. He used on 6 or 7 plays, all third downs I believe, and it was effective. Just an interesting thing to watch.

by ACDC84 on Dec 16, 2009 10:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't agree with the statement
Williams had a really rough game on MNF vs Baltimore

The guy got a couple of pass interference calls that wouldn’t have been called by most crews in the NFL (the crew officiating the game is known for calling the tightest games) and only one call was legitimate. He also had two huge plays in the game.

Joe Whitt, the Packers cornerbacks coach, actually said that Tramon graded out higher than any other cornerback he has ever had to grade for a game including Wood and Al. He said the interference calls were very ticky tacky and Tramon played absolutely great. The multiple bogus interference calls throw peoples view off of how well he actually played.

And I’ve been as much of a Jarrett Bush hater as anyone but he has actually played solid since taking over the nickel spot. I’ve always wanted him cut from the team in the past, but he’s played better than a lot of 3rd cornerbacks in this league the last few weeks.

by GGGamer on Dec 17, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

You'll have to excuse Steeler Nation for being homers

But we all think that Lebeau is the best defensive mind in the game. Last year, when most of our guys were healthy, our defense was inpenetrable. He can truly draw up some great schemes. It would take me an hour to tell you all the schemes I’ve seen him use during his time here.

by StoneColdSteel on Dec 16, 2009 11:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, you're going to be hard pressed to get any Steelers fan to say Capers...

Everybody loves LeBeau, and understandably so. The guy whose players refer to him as Coach Dad has been as good of a coordinator as there is in the game.

Capers is good, and has been great this year, but LeBeau should get Hall of Fame consideration. He has reinvented defensive football with the zone blitz on top of many other schematic moves that were just not done before him.

'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin

by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 17, 2009 7:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Even most Packers fans would probably be hard pressed to choose Capers

The guy is great and what he has done this year is impressive but LeBeau has had many years of success with the Steelers that are hard to overlook.

by Charlie Kelly on Dec 17, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Plus, wasn’t Capers a head coach at one point?

"Chris! That's a terrible word! Pussywillows..."
-Lois Griffin

by Steel Spike on Dec 17, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Hahaha!

'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin

by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 18, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't have a strong opinion either way

But here were Bill Polian’s comments in direct regard to your question DD.

He pulled the defensive coordinator away from the Pittsburgh Steelers, where opponents stayed out of the end zone more than anywhere else, and turned over the keys to his new franchise to the workaholic Capers.

“I’m not sure that there’s anybody, including Dick LeBeau, who plays that defense, who puts it together in a game plan and calls it, as well as Dom does,” said Polian. "He had a terrific vision for what he thought the team could be, and what he wanted it to be and a terrific grasp for how he wanted to play defense.

“We built the team right along according to Dom’s blueprint and it worked out great.”

So even though I love to have Capers as DC and would love to have LeBeau as well, Bill Polian seems to think that Capers is a better defensive mind.

by GGGamer on Dec 17, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Dom Capers started "blitzburgh" in Pittsburgh (the 3-4 scheme)

but Dick Lebeau revolutionized it.

too difficult to say who is better, but Lebeau has his system established and everything is settled in for him.

by Jabooty on Dec 17, 2009 10:35 PM CST reply actions  

Well Packers fans...

It’s about twenty minutes to four, east coast time, and I’m getting ready to leave work early today. Just wanted to pop in one last time and wish you all good luck this weekend (but the kind of good luck that has you falling just short in an epic battle). Here’s to a great game!

'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin

by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 18, 2009 2:43 PM CST reply actions  

Thanks for visiting!

It was a pleasure discussing our upcoming game with you.

by Jabooty on Dec 18, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions  

That was a good game

but hell on my blood pressure. I stood up and was walking out of the bar after the INT, but somebody yelled defensive penalty. Glad I didn’t make is all the way out. Thank you for being good fans, and giving us good convo this week.

"Chris! That's a terrible word! Pussywillows..."
-Lois Griffin

by Steel Spike on Dec 20, 2009 8:34 PM CST up reply actions  

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