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Preview: Green Bay Packers at Steelers

When I first saw this game on the schedule, I mentally penciled it in as a loss. As recently as a couple weeks ago, I still expected the Green Bay Packers would lose this game.

On November 9th, the Steelers beat their Broncos to move to 6-2, and they were favored to finish as the No. 2 seed in the AFC. Five consecutive losses later, the playoffs appear out of reach. On November 8th, the Packers were surprisingly beaten by the Buccaneers to fall to 4-4. Five consecutive wins later, the Packers are on the verge of locking up a wild card spot. These are two teams heading in two different directions.

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Here are the official rankings from NFL.com:

Team Run Offense Pass Offense Run Defense Pass Defense
Packers 13 9 2 3
Steelers 16 12 1 13

 

Looking at the hidden yards, according to Football Outsiders, the Packers have the worst special teams unit in the NFL, while the Steelers are only 3rd worst. The Packers still lead the NFL in penalty yards per game at 71.9/game, while the Steelers are a little below average with 48.4/game. The Packers still lead the league with 48 sacks allowed, but the Steelers are bad too and have allowed 38 sacks.

Statistically this looks like a close matchup. The Steelers' offense is a notch below the Packers. The defenses are similar, but there is some weakness in the Steelers' secondary. As usual, the Packers are outperformed by their opponent on special teams, penalty yards, and sacks allowed. Add the hidden yards to the Steelers' home field advantage, offset by the Steelers' slight disadvantages on offense and defense, and it's understandable that the Steelers are favored by 1

But something is wrong in Pittsburgh, and a statistical review just doesn't work this week. Here's a comment posted by Steelfrog at Behind the Steel Curtain:

That short of repeating, this might be the best thing that could have happened to this team. Now they’re going to have to take a long look at themselves and really try to get better. No more of the "yeah but we won the Superbowl that way" talk. The offense and special teams coaching needs improvement, the defense needs some retooling, time to go to work and find an identity…

Identity seems to be a key word for them right now. NYSteelersFan4 wrote about it too in his excellent FanPost. There was talk of change after their 4th loss in a row, at home to the Raiders, but Johnny_S didn't notice much change in the loss at the Browns. There might be a coaching makeover this offseason, primarily on special teams and offense. That might be a good idea: the Packers change of defensive coordinators from Bob Sanders to Dom Capers has made a world of difference. But look closely at the replacement. The Packers fired their special teams coach Mike Stock after the P Derrick Frost experience, and promoted from within. The result has been a complete special teams collapse.

The Steelers remind me of the 2008 Green Bay Packers. Last season, the Packers outscored their opponents but finished with a 6-10 record. This season, the Steelers are 6-7 and have outscored their opponents. The Steelers have lost their last 5 games by a combined of only 22 points, though 3 of those losses came against three of the worst teams in the NFL (Chiefs, Raiders, and Browns). Last season, the Packers were in a lot of close games too, but their flaws (usually the run defense) were constantly exposed. The Packers found so many different ways to lose that Football Outsiders began mocking them. Sometimes when teams start losing, and are losing for ways that are hard to pinpoint, it seems like they'll never turn it around. The Packers do it until they played such an incredible doormat at home (the 0-15 Lions) that it was almost impossible to lose.

So I expect this to be a close game again, but the Steelers will find someway to lose. The Packers' D has had trouble keeping teams from scoring TDs once they get in the red zone, and the Steelers should be able to get down that far twice. The Packers' offense settled for FGs last week against the Bears, so that might be something they again have a problem with again.

Packers 20, Steelers 17.

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Nice Article

I still don’t expect this to be as close as many of you GB people think. I had really, really hoped that Troy would be back for this game and then the Steelers would stun the Packers. However, after his MRIs showed no improvements and he was ruled out I lost hope. The match-up of Driver vs. Gay or Jennings vs. Gay is not pretty. Even with the way Ike is playing I can’t imagine his match-up going well either.

The only way the Steelers win is if Woodley and Harrison have at least 2 sacks a piece and many hurries and knock downs.

I stick by 31-17 Pack, but best of luck this weekend! it is going to be bitter cold and probably snowy. Weather is always the great equalizer! I might have to drop the score to 20-14 if the weather is bad.

The Hell that Tomlin & the Steelers have unleashed on me this December is indescribable.

by Johnny_S on Dec 18, 2009 8:54 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

You forgot to pick your QB and RB with the most yards ;-)

The problem is not entirely settling for FGs, it’s settling for FG misses. At some point McCarthy is going to start having to calling plays for 4 downs anytime we’re in 40+ FG range at this rate.

I know the Steelers haven’t looked particularly strong in the last couple of games, but they’re a team down, and there are still a lot of playmakers on their team.

And it seems like there’s snow in most home games for the Steelers, and there’s a chance on Sunday. If it turns into a grind it out, running game, I’d give that advantage to Pittsburgh.

by Danwood on Dec 18, 2009 9:01 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

can't really call this a trap game

But I do worry about getting “out-physical-ed” this week. The Steelers have to be absolutely fuming, and I’m sure there will be a strong desire on their part to show that they will not allow a team that is in its first year of implementing what is essentially their D to beat them.

I’d feel a lot better if our D-line wasn’t so beat up, and I’m especially concerned about our Special Teams on the road in sloppy weather. I guess it comes down to the fact that I don’t yet trust McCarthy’s preparation for games like this one.

The trend follower in me expects a hard-fought 24-20 Packers victory, but my gut is seeing a 17-6 Steeler win.

by swilldog on Dec 18, 2009 10:29 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Southern PACKER-BACKER/

pack wins this game 23-10, then win out 33-13 vs Seattle, and 28-27 at Arizona/

by Southern PACKER-backer on Dec 18, 2009 10:47 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Crosby

I love the guy, but he needs to start hitting his kicks. It could get ugly on a field that even during nice weather is pretty suspect for kickers. I say (for this week at least and score pending, obviously) make essentially anything within 4th and 7 and inside the Steeler’s 40, 4 down territory… it doesn’t help that we can’t do much in the opponents territory when we have 3 downs this year, but it’s better than a missed FG to the right

by uofmike on Dec 18, 2009 11:48 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

But How Will Ward Play?

I’ve noticed that when the Steelers manage to get their quick offense working decently, they can get a lot of points on the board. Ward is toughing it out and I really respect the guy for it, but I think he’s playing on pure heart right now. I think his contribution is going to be comparitively (to a good year, overall) smaller and they’re just not going to be able to get Mendenhall any of those breakout runs, much like what was expected in the Baltimore game with Ray Rice. The Pack just has that type of runningback’s number.

The person I think is going to have a breakout game is Mike Wallace. I think he’s a bit quicker than Williams and is going to prove to be Rothwell’s reliable deep man.

Sorry Steelers fans. You’re team is my favorite in the AFC, but…

PACKERS: 34, STEELERS: 17.

"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Vince Lombardi

by AdamA on Dec 18, 2009 1:48 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

the steelers d is not what it was last season and there offense is not used to having to outscore other teams. when there d gets back to normal and there o is not playing from behind then they will be where they are supposed to be. until then us packer fans will reap the benefits. the pack are on it this year and we are only getting better cant wait to see next year packerholic for life

by kalli on Dec 18, 2009 2:13 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Upset, Not gonna happen

I’ve been hearing that Pitt is gonna rebound and dominate us, but what is the basis of that? They have lost to arguably 3 of the 4 WORST teams over the past 5 weeks. Their Defense looks dreadful. AKA overated. Hines Ward is injured and looked stiff last week. Their RB is a great one, but our run D is even better. They have no adv. By the way their kicker is terrible as well. Blowout in my book.

by Dan182 on Dec 18, 2009 9:18 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I guess it's people looking at intangibles

and not facts and match-ups. I would equate this to how the Packers felt after losing to the Bucs- season is lost, need to make some coaching changes, everything is on the line with a contender coming to town- and we all saw what happened when Dallas came to town. And right now, Green Bay has to take this game seriously because Pittsburgh is going to play very, very hard and the Packers can possibly clinch a playoff spot this weekend if the Giants lose.

by vitaminx on Dec 18, 2009 11:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it'll be a total blowout...

I just look at the overall matchups. Holmes will have Woodson all over him. They’ll probably be forced to use Willie Parker a lot more for outside running, which he can do pretty effectively. I like Mendenhall, but I know there’ll be a lot of planning to contain him. Ward tends to play like a TE with a few deeper routes up the middle (kind of like what Double D does), so a lot of short yardage coverages will be focused on him and without that explosive first step, it’s pretty likely Heath Miller is going to get more catches and he’s a good TE that way – he can be pretty productive. That leaves Wallace for the insanely deep routes.

That’s the thing: the Steelers have a lot of weapons on offense, but their most dangerous people probably aren’t going to have huge games. The one thing is defensive intensity. The Pack needs to keep it up through those 2nd and 3rd quarters and not let them sneak in.

"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Vince Lombardi

by AdamA on Dec 19, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you that we have our problems this year but:

By the way their kicker is terrible as well.

Uhhh what? He is 18 for 22 this year and 14 for 15 since week 3. He had a rough start, but has been solid since. Not sure how you classify that as terrible. Not to add he is about the only kicker I have ever seen that can consistently kick at Heinz, which is no easy task. His problem is he could not tackle a little kid, but that is not really why we have him on the team.

Also, as always I have to point out an interesting fact to people who predict “blowout” against us. Since Mike Tomlin has been the HC of the Steelers they have lost 1 game by more than 10 points and that was to the best offense in the history of the NFL (Pats ’07). That is 1 game in 49 games. Would you like to try again on the “blowout” prediction?

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by Johnny_S on Dec 19, 2009 5:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Steeler losing streak

You never want to face a good team at home on a losing streak. This should make the Packers focus more than if it was just a bad team playing out the end of the season. But the Packers still have to play like the playoffs are on the line because they well could be.

packer wannabe http://maxsportsplus.com

by packer wannabe on Dec 19, 2009 2:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I would submit that

the fans are more likely than the Packers are to take lightly the defending Super Bowl champs, who are only five weeks removed from being 6-2.
In other words, this is not as bad of a football team is their performance over the past five weeks suggests, and the coaches and players know it.

The glass is more than half-full.

by NorthStarr on Dec 19, 2009 5:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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