Brief Recap: Green Bay Packers Stunned On Steelers TD With No Time Left On The Clock, 37-36
Emotionally I was all over the place while watching this game. After the Steelers scored on their first play of the game, I thought it wasn't the Packers day. Then they kept trading scores, which made me think the game could go either way, and finally the Packers scored on a TD pass to WR James Jones with 2 minutes left to play. It seemed like they had the Steelers stopped a couple times, deep in their own territory and then around midfield, but they ended up giving the Steelers too many second chances on that final drive.
This was a great game from QB Aaron Rodgers. He threw for 3 TDs and ran for another. He committed no turnovers, and overcame weak pass protection and dropped passes early in the game. RB Ryan Grant had a long TD run, but that was about all the backs provided. In their defense, it appeared that it was the Packers' game plan all along to go with pass heavy strategy (their first 6 plays were all passes).
The special teams had another forgettable game. They didn't have a kick return longer than 25 yards against the worst kick coverage team in the NFL, though the Steelers were trying to kick the ball away from WR Jordy Nelson for some reason. And K Mason Crosby had another missed FG, though it might have been more a poor hold by P Jeremy Kapinos instead of a poor kick by Crosby.
As for the 503 yards passing allowed by the usually great pass defense, the Steelers got big yardage against the weak links in the Packers defense. LB A.J. Hawk was abused early by TE Heath Miller. CB Jarrett Bush got abused early, late, and in-between by WR Mike Wallace, WR Hines Ward, and nearly anybody he covered. Due to injuries in the secondary, recently signed CB Josh Bell was forced into coverage as the dime back, and he failed late when he allowed the game losing TD reception. There are no solutions to this problem, due to injuries throughout the season these are the players they've got, but hopefully they aren't as exposed like this again.
It would have been better for a win, I'm not going to feel safe until it's official they've locked up a wild card spot, but it's obviously not a mortal blow. They still control their own destiny, if win their remaining two games then they're in, and they now have a week 17 matchup with a Cardinals team that just clinched the NFC West division title. Now it's time to forget about this close loss and get ready for the Seahawks next week.
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And for everyone hating on Crosby's miss and blaming the loss on that...
Consider the game later on if that had happened. A make there would’ve made it 14-10, Steelers. After that, the Steelers scored 16 points and the Packers scored 21, making the score 31-27 Packers after Grant’s TD run. The Steelers went down the field and got another field goal to make it 31-30.
Consider that the strategy at that point, with 3:58 to go in the game, still changes significantly, even if the onsides kick happens and they got the ball. Being up by 1 compared to being down by 2 as we were would’ve put us in turtle mode on offense compared to just going for the touchdown, especially when you start out with the ball on the Steeler 40. The point here is that at most we might not have gone for the jugular there as we did, we would’ve tried to milk the clock (with the 2 minute warning and the lone Pittsburgh timeout remaining as stoppages for them) and kick a field goal to force them to drive the field for a touchdown, making it 34-30.
Ideally, we would have marched down there and gotten another touchdown, which would’ve made it 38-30, but the most important thing was getting the damn defense to hold the Steelers from making an 80 yard touchdown drive in just under 2 minutes! As much as I haven’t been a fan of Mason Crosby as of late, the defense lost us this game in a setting that was eerily reminiscent of last year’s last second failures while the offense did all they could to win. Special teams didn’t help us out too much either with the long return, and neither did the officiating which overturned Clay Matthews’ obvious strip fumble recovery which would’ve given us the ball on the 20 instead of having to drive a long one and finish with the FG miss.
Ya I hear ya but..
..Who’s to say we don’t still go down and get a TD despite being up by 1. Obviously that puts it at 38-30, which makes things a lot more difficult on them. I don’t think the loss was his fault by any means but he has been below average this year, and he doesn’t seem to be able to fix his problem of hooking the ball right like he has been all year.
by packallday555 on Dec 20, 2009 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
Cosby
Not the first time he has missed very important field goals. We need a kicker that can get the job done to make it for wild card and more importantly to make it beyond that. Cant win playoff games with a kicker that has no confidence. Just can’t… They need to bring in a kicker and asap…. Missed field goals temporarily change momentum as well. Go Pack Go!
IIRC
We lost at least three games last year due to missed field goals. And in all those occasions, the opposing team marched down the field and made their attempt to win the game. My memory fails me, but I’m pretty sure the Titans and the Texans were two of them.
Yeah
He also missed what could have been the game winner against the Vikes at the Dome. I just think we need to go in a new direction.
by packallday555 on Dec 20, 2009 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
another one
The game at Chicago. Crosby misses, Gould (like he always does) connects to win it.
Capers
It is true that the defense didnt come through, but part of the blame is on Capers.
I am sure McCarthy has some say on when they play “prevent” too. Don’t forget about him
"I agree but dont agree"
by juggernaut400 on Dec 20, 2009 8:23 PM CST up reply actions
oh yes
I also agree with you jugger, McCarthy can take some of the blame as well.. oh yes!
I'm not blaming Dom Capers
We lack depth at the Cornerback position, and the Steelers took advantage of that. There’s very little a DC can do when you don’t have the talent on the field. Capers did everything he could, but Jarrett Bush and Josh Bell stunk it up badly giving up one big play after another.
Bell really isn’t at fault much for the last throw. If you look at the play back he was actually in good position on Wallace, and that’s not mentioning that he had to cover him for 4-5 seconds. Trent Dilfer loves to say, “You can’t defend a perfect throw”, and it’s really true.
Bush is HORRIBLE. Some of the guys who have participated on this blog for a while know exactly how much I hate Bush and how bad I think he is.
by packallday555 on Dec 20, 2009 11:58 PM CST up reply actions
true
it was good coverage.
many little mistakes added up to a lost.
however, I am not worried. Pickett out is a MUCH bigger loss than Kampman or Harris. It wore out our defense tonight.
We will be Seattle and make playoffs. And if needed, we will beat AZ, they suck.
We may face viqueens in the first round, and we will beat their a$$.
No it wasn't
It was lousy coverage. He was supposed to be underneath, not over. He had help over the top. If he had been in position Rothlesberger couldn’t have made the throw.
If Jenkins had brought Ben down
then the game would have been over too
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
If you look closer he didn’t have a saftey over the top of him. I found it odd to see that Bigby was over in like the middle of the endzone. We were playing 3 safties deep so I’m not sure why there wasn’t one on the right side of the endzone.
by packallday555 on Dec 21, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
Yes he did
If Bell is underneath, Rothlesberger has to throw a fade over his head. The safety then makes the play. Because Bell was NOT underneath, a strong throw from a QB with a big arm can thread a needle. That’s what happened. Bell screwed up.
Tackle is a bigger problem
You saw how awful the O-line was when Clifton was out and before Tauscher started to play. Both of those guys are old and beat up — neither has much gas left in the tank. They need to be replaced — lord knows that we don’t have any viable options on the roster at present.
Yeah
Not sure if you live in WI, or if you read some of the Wisconsin articles regarding the Packers but I found the recent article about Giancomini interesting. It could have just been the way the write spun the article but it sounds like Giancomini doesn’t look like he is an absolute joke like a lot of us had thought he likely was. I wish he would have had a shot when Barbre went down. I mean let’s be serious, he couldn’t be any worse then Barbre and we might have been able to determine what our plans for him in the near future are.
I definitely think we still take an OT, preferrably a LT, in the first round. It’s clear Clifton has begun to decline, and I don’t think he has another year left in him.
by packallday555 on Dec 21, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
I think a large part of it is on Capers. Playing prevent every single play of the Steelers game winning drive was so stupid. Throw in at least a couple of blitzes that force the Qb to throw one underneath, or force him to try and make a diffcult throw downfield which your guys will be ready for.
by packallday555 on Dec 20, 2009 11:56 PM CST up reply actions
I've said this many times, and I will say it again.
Jarrett Bush has no business being near anything resembling an NFL roster.
Absolutely
He was abused all night.
This was about 90% a choke job by the defense and about 10% Crosby blowing another FG
Bravo
I agree totally, Its time to let Jarrett Bush sit on the bench. He is just not ready for the NFL… Hopefully we can get our starters back too before next week. But excellent game! No time to look back , just forward to the seahawks. Get em Packers!
And replace him with who?
Look — Bush is what he is, but he’s the best available option. You going to put Bell in there for him?
agreed
we just have to hope for the best or drastically alter our D to accommodate the suckiness that is Bush
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
I’d rather see Bell or Underwood then Bush. We know what Bush brings, and it’s not much. Bell got beat on two of those last throws but I still would rather see him over Bush in a hearbeat. You and ktenreb are right though in that we don’t exactly have a bunch of options to choose from.
by packallday555 on Dec 21, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
Please
Bell gave up the game-winning touchdown by being out of position. I think it was you bitching that Harris sucked and that Tramon Williams was better, which was dumb at the time you said it and has proven to be so.
There are NO teams that have quality fourth-string defensive backs, particularly in December. If you can play DB, you are on somebody’s roster as a starter. Next to QB, it’s the most difficult position on the team. There just aren’t very many people in the world who can play like Woodson or Harris. Bush obviously isn’t in that league, but neither is Bell or Underwood — if they were, don’t you think the coaches might have noticed by now? They noticed that Barbre sucked (after 8 weeks, admittedly), and they made a change when they had a viable option. At dime back, right now, the Packers don’t have any viable options.
I think it was you bitching that Harris sucked and that Tramon Williams was better, which was dumb at the time you said it and has proven to be so.
I still think Williams is better then Harris was but yeah I clearly wasn’t looking at it from a depth standpoint.
Bush obviously isn’t in that league, but neither is Bell or Underwood — if they were, don’t you think the coaches might have noticed by now? They noticed that Barbre sucked (after 8 weeks, admittedly), and they made a change when they had a viable option.
Honestly, no I don’t. The whole coaching staff seems to be so bent on thinking that all the guys they got have the talent and ability to perform but they don’t. Bush has been horrendous for 2-3 years now. He should have been cut long, long ago. Bell and Underwood are both young and inexperienced, but at least they have shown some talent ability to cover people. Where the two of them get beat is their inexperience. Bush gets beat because of inexperience but more so because of he lacks the talent and ability.
Let’s be honest. Anyone who really knows football, knew that Allen Barbre should have been on the bench after week 3 or 4 at the latest, and cut at the end of the year. It’s good for coaches to have confidence in their players but there is a point where they just have to look at the situation, and realize this guy just does not have the talent or ability to be out there.
by packallday555 on Dec 21, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
Yep
The fact that we actually matched his offer sheet was absolutely sickening to me. He is absolutely hopless. He really should be cut right now. I would truly rather bring in a guy who doesn’t know much about our system then continue to have Bush be our nickel back.
by packallday555 on Dec 20, 2009 11:59 PM CST up reply actions
Ok
This made me laugh, even after an unbelievable gut wrenching loss.
???
Not laughing here, but I think the Pack played pretty good against a super bowl team. Rodgers did a very good job. Had to overcome a not so on the ball defense today!
Rodgers play today should quiet all the ney-sayers about whether or not “he can come through in the clutch and blah, blah, blah.” He continually came through in the clutch for us, despite the lack of help he got from our WR’s early on. He is absolutely the real deal.
Tell me about it, and most of the drops were on what could have been relatively important plays. Driver had a couple that both would have been first downs, which would have kept drives going that eventually stalled.
by packallday555 on Dec 21, 2009 12:02 AM CST up reply actions
Heartbreaking loss
" CB Jarrett Bush got abused early, late, and in-between by WR Mike Wallace, WR Hines Ward, and nearly anybody he covered." — well put Brandon.
But I have to say rushing 3 on a contain in the final 2 min did not help. As bad as the secondary played Capers left them hanging way to long. I would rather cross my fingers on a blitz getting home than see what I saw in the later parts of the game. I hope they just learn from this and keep playing tough.
I agree with that
That was the only time I really criticized Capers play calling. Matthews should have been blitzing, not our run stopping big guys. argh!
Yeah, the LB we used to cover had me a bit confused. For a while we were putting Hawk on Miller, and it was clear he just couldn’t cover him. We then switched to Matthews, and while he did a better job, it took what is probably our best pass rusher from rushing the passer. So the question that arises for me is why isn’t Chillar or Barnett covering TE’s?
From my understanding Chillar is our best coverage LB. In fact Capers and co. was so confident in his coverage abilities, that he actually played the SS spot for us against the Rams. It just is puzzling to me as to why we would put our best pass rusher back in coverage and our best coverage LB rushing the Qb. Anybody else feel the same way?
Barnett comes to mind for me just because he seems to be the most athletic of all of our LB’s and the fastest (besides Matthews).
by packallday555 on Dec 21, 2009 12:10 AM CST up reply actions
Only time for the Prevent Defense is when you are up by a lot.
If you are up by a score, just keep doing what you are doing the whole game. It was working. I would rather Roth have to get rid of the ball quickly than have time to sit back and throw.
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by Bush League All Star on Dec 20, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
But I have to say rushing 3 on a contain in the final 2 min did not help. As bad as the secondary played Capers left them hanging way to long. I would rather cross my fingers on a blitz getting home than see what I saw in the later parts of the game. I hope they just learn from this and keep playing tough.
Perfectly said turd, especially the last couple sentences. We know we’re thin at Cb with 3 of them on IR, and we know the nickel and dime backs are bad and inexperienced so what makes Capers think that they might be able to cover someone for 4+ seconds?
by packallday555 on Dec 21, 2009 12:04 AM CST up reply actions
true
good lesson for the playoffs.
keep rushing, then you force a throw.
tackle inbounds, force a TO and/or keep the clock running.
Oh well, I am not worried, we are a playoff caliber team.
I am
I think we were somewhat exposed tonight. Many of us were very nervous that teams would just spread us out and go at our 3rd and 4th Cbs after Harris went done, but strangely enough we haven’t really seen that kind of a game plan until tonight. Nearly every time the Steelers went with 3+ WRs they had success and it seemed like the times they didn’t were when Big Ben made a poor throw.
We have a great run defense, but when you look at the possible playoff situations this doesn’t matter a whole lot. Big Ben and co. have a really good passing attack, but so Brees and co., Favre and co., McNabb and co., Warner and co., and either Romo/Manning and co. The only one of those teams that isn’t pass first is the Vikings, but Favre has shown that he is just as capable as any of the other guys I listed above.
In the playoffs, if we make it, we’ll have to just blitz and hope that we can force a few TOs. Though as you know, this isn’t very reliable, especially not with the good Qb’s we would likely face.
by packallday555 on Dec 21, 2009 12:20 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe a good thing.
I try to look at this as a silver lining around dark cloud…. Maybe they needed to see a loss now to get the fire back in them like it did to the Steelers. Enables them to look at what went wrong and make the corrections once again… They can do it I have faith in them.
Bottom line is they did not blitz enough,
Ben had way way too much time all day back there, You just knew things would happen for them with all that time. 17 18 seconds way too much time … ridiculous !
If Cullen Jenkins makes that tackle, though..
instead of just slipping off Roethlisberger with 13 seconds left, that would’ve been game over.
Just one of many, many missed opportunities in that 2 minute drill.
Big Ben
He’s a tough guy to bring down. Yes, Jenkins should have sacked him, but he’s not the first guy Ben’s slipped away from either.
agreed
Pack played well.
Overall, not a big deal. I am sure I will repeat that for a while.
However, I LOVE that the viqueens lost. hahahahahhahahahahahaha
Woot!!
Absolutely! The purple punks losing made our loss a lot easier to take. Unfortunately, we handed them the North last night instead of making them work for it another week. Oh well, I was pretty happy when I saw Carolina make that last touchdown. hehe
by pvilleWIcheezhed on Dec 21, 2009 7:33 AM CST up reply actions
Yep
That was a crucial play. Or if Chillar doesn’t tackle Hines Ward, Bush (of all people) gets the pick and the game is over. We had so many missed opportunities. That last drive was so frustrating to watch.
by packallday555 on Dec 21, 2009 12:21 AM CST up reply actions
Injuries come home to roost
I think we saw the injuries catch up with the defense today. Too many weak spots to protect and Big Ben found the holes.
DL is banged up…so you can’t get the normal push. DBs are too banged up…so you can’t trust them to cover on a blitz. They didn’t a good job of balancing the two and they got burned today.
I was impressed by the offense today. I look forward to the next couple years of Rodgers throwing to Finley.
by Bernie's Mustache Wax on Dec 20, 2009 8:31 PM CST reply actions
me too
I look forward to the next couple years as well with Rodgers and with the young ones getting better all the time…. Look out next year I say.. I really know deep down that the Pack does not have what it takes yet to make a strong run in the post season. Im impressed with how far they came this year.
That is how injuries play out.
Suddenly a game comes down to a guy you signed a couple weeks ago. I think the Pack make the playoffs but you got to know those playoff teams are going to look at Bush & Bell and start licking their chops.
I do think they can make some noise in the playoffs because they can point points on the board and they do have a few playmakers on defense.
by Bernie's Mustache Wax on Dec 20, 2009 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
Hello Jared!!
Well he’s done it again. CB J. Bush could’nt read a defense if his life were on the line. What disturbs me more is a coaching staff that still has him around let alone in the game. Granted we are hurting in the secondary, but GD learn your leason already coaches!!!!!!!! Obviously this came down to more than Bushs’ skill level. Were I in poorer health, I belive that last Stealers drive would have spell the end for me. The Pack seriously needs to address the penalty thing we’ve got going on for the past couple seasons. Ok, done for now. I smell something burning! Is that you J. Bush?
Good points
I think we gave them 15 free yards on that last drive. Absolutely not acceptable. Imagine Big Ben having to throw that game winner from 35-40 yards instead of 20.
The coaching staff still playing Bush really worries me. He is terrible, and it’s not hard to see.
by packallday555 on Dec 21, 2009 12:24 AM CST up reply actions
I think....
You can blame this loss on the inability of the officiating to crew to call a complete, half complete or quarter completed game. They ended up calling, several penalties on Green Bay when it counted. Granted, they were just, but seeing as though Pittsburgh was holding the entire game from what I saw, and there receivers were playing rough. Tack on several missed calls (and reviews) by the officiating crew, we can tell who Goodell wanted to win.
Very True , Very True
Like the call not made when Rodgers got it to the face!
The NFL is a joke...
What’s the point of having reviews if you have crooked, incompetent or cowardly referees who can’t or won’t make the call correctly??
OK, I feel better, done venting now.
The Packers will make the playoffs anyways. Go PACK!!
So, here's some advice I wish I woulda got when I was your age: Live every week like it's Shark Week.
I AGREE
JAMES HARRISON WAS HELD THE ENTIRE GAME i agree poor officiating
by steeltownchamps on Dec 20, 2009 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
He definitely was held on a few plays, and some of them were pretty big ones. Overally, the refs didn’t do a great job both ways but I don’t hardly think their at blame for our loss. Our pass defense is.
by packallday555 on Dec 21, 2009 12:27 AM CST up reply actions
Not a bad loss...
It was heart breaking but it is not a bad loss. I dont think you can blame one person or one unit for it either. Big Ben and the Steelers showed enough composure to lead a game winning drive. They made some unbelievable plays on that drive. Wallace’s catch was incredible. Lets not forget they are an experienced team they have been put in these situations before and know how to keep their cool and win them. We are still a very young team and these are the games where youth hurts you a bit. But all in all the blame goes to everyone. The entire team was at fault for the loss at one point or another during the game.
Why this is a good loss. The players are now knocked off their high horse.Their cockiness is now gone they need to earn it back. They can get that chip on their shoulder back. The loss is also not too bad due to it being an AFC team. We are still in this playoff hunt and can now get into and start off the playoffs with a fresh hunger not a 5 game win streak with our heads in the clouds..
Two games left.
The only team that can knock them out are the Giants, who are 7-6. We win 2, then the Giants can’t catch us.
If we split, things could get complicated if the Giants win out (which I regard as unlikely). The best record they can hope for is 10-6, which would leave their conference record at 8-4. We would also be 10-6 and 8-4 in the conference. So it would come down to the 3rd tie breaker: winning % against common opponents. Thanks to losses to the Vikes (twice) and the Bucs, we can’t beat the Giants in that tie breaking scenario.
Making things potentially more complicated are the Cowboys, also currently 9-5. If you haven’t been rooting against the Cowboys with every fiber of your being, start doing so now. We win a 2 way tie with them based on head to head. The Giants also win a head to head tie against the Boys based on their season sweep. So the Boys are our insurance policy, because 2 of the 3 teams (Boys, Giants and Packers) will be your WC teams. The Giants may win out and may end up tying our record, but as long as the Boys finish with an equal number of wins to ours, it doesn’t matter what the Giants do, we’re still in.*
*unless I’m misreading the 3 way tie tie-breakers, but really, how likely is a 3 way tie anyway? :)
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 20, 2009 9:15 PM CST reply actions
Cowboys could still win their division
The week 17 matchup in Philly is setting up to decide the division.
The Eagles lost to the Saints (who we beat), they lost to the Raiders (who we beat) and they lost to us (who we are).
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 21, 2009 3:52 AM CST up reply actions
Beating a dead horse...
… two plays today have further convinced me that the refs have no idea when or how to enforce the “going to the ground” incompletion/fumble rules. As if the botched call on Jennings TD pass last week wasn’t enough.
Recall that Jennings catch was ruled an incompletion despite getting 2 feet down while in control of the ball because he failed to control the ball as he was being taken to the ground. Today, Ed Wallace caught a pass, took 2 steps and got drilled by Bigby, dropping the ball as he fell down. Collins scooped it up, and whistles blew the play dead as an incompletion. No one challenged, and with the exception of Collins, no one batted an eye.
So even if it’s wrong (and it is), at least it’s consistent, right?
Just a few moments ago, Sydney Rice caught a pass over the middle, took two steps while trying to put the ball away, got drilled, dropped the ball and fell over. Out came the blue baggies. Fumble. Carolina recovered. No challenges, and no one batted an eye.
So, for those of you insisting that the rule was properly applied last week (and this week with Wallace), can you explain to me why Rice’s play wasn’t also ruled incomplete? Because the only explanation I see is that the NFL has muddied the waters so much on what constitutes a reception that it’s own referees don’t understand the rules they’re supposed to enforce.
BTW, it’s mid-3rd quarter, and Minnesota looks very ordinary against a very ordinary Panthers team…
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 20, 2009 9:29 PM CST reply actions
The Panthers
have been up and down all year, and the Vikings have a tendency to play up or down to their opponents.
True.
The Panthers are also missing Deangelo Williams, about half their offensive line, and some defensive personell.
The Vikes have a chance to win a title, but I don’t think they’ll do it if they have to go on the road. They’re a different team on the road. I’m really pulling for the Eagles to catch them for the 2nd seed.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 20, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions
Was wondering the same about the Bigby hit. My friend and I just about blew a gasket complaining about how that wasn’t called a fumble, and how MM didn’t challenge it.
by packallday555 on Dec 21, 2009 12:29 AM CST up reply actions
capers and crosby
capers and the 3 man rush, let us give any NFL QB time with a 3 man rush…we will lose, we almost got lucky in spite of the 3 man rush. crosby? 2 years of clutch misses, hearing jimmy johnson talk about replacing a super bowl kicker the day after realizing he had a problem a few years ago, makes me wonder how long before we realize we have a kicker problem. as i said in a previous post after the viking fiascos, if we make the playoffs we will 3 man rush ourselves into oblivion.
I was ok with the 3 man rush.
I just didn’t like the fact that Matthews wasn’t always one of the 3 men, especially on that 4th and 7 play.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 20, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
I know why take away your best pass rushers best ability, and make him drop back into coverage instead? It kind of reminds me about all of us talking how Kampman should always be rushing the Qb and able to be down in a stance of he wants too. It’s really frustrating to see players not make the big plays their capable of because they hardly even get a chance. I just don’t get it.
by packallday555 on Dec 21, 2009 3:29 AM CST up reply actions
Money, the 1st time they did it to chicago last week they got torched on 3rd and 18 and brought the bears out of hybernation. it no good ever
by greenandgolddog on Dec 20, 2009 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
+100!
Damn good point my friend. The 3 man rushes will almost never get it done against, especially against playoff caliber teams, and not being able to make what are relatively easy FGs at a fairly high rate will not cut it against some of these playoff teams. Then you add on too that, that your nickel back really might be the worst starting cover in football. The 2 guys your shuffling at dime are young and have no to experience in a defense in a defensive system that is relatively complicated and hard to pick up, especially for some young guys.
Our offense is good, and is still continuing to improve in the 14th week of the season. I think we have an offense that with decent o-line play, like we’ve been getting these past 5-6 weeks, is on the verge of becoming a pretty dominant one around the league. I can’t help but think what a couple of good, above average o-linemen could do for our offense. If Rodgers had the time to sit back in the pocket for 3-4 seconds, pretty consistently, like some of the better Qb’s this year have the privilege of doing it would be scary to see what Rodgers could do. The offense is young, and has Finley, who has the ability to become an elite pass catching TE. They also have Jennings who is already a darn good WR in the league, plus Jones and Nelson have been capable themselves when the opportunity presents itself.
We just need to get some young OT/OG’s and Cb’s in this coming year’s draft, get a new kicker, and a special teams coach who actually has some understanding of good special teams play along with some new special teams players. I have a feeling we could easily see only one or two of those things happening though..
by packallday555 on Dec 21, 2009 3:27 AM CST up reply actions
Penalties, not the prevent defense, did this team in
That last drive by the Steelers was a microcosm of the team this season. A big play, a break up, an interception, nope, it’s nullified by a penalty.
Yeah Chillar's penalty was killer
It occurred away from the pick too, so that was a real backbreaker.
It's true.
They lost on penalties, special teams and poor play from their dime back, all of which have cost them games before.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 20, 2009 9:50 PM CST up reply actions
It sucks that we have more then one unit who has played just horrendous football, and for a while didn’t even have the average talent at o-line to at least create a pocket for Rodgers 20-30% of the time. That finally gets fixed and then it’s like a whole new big problem pops up.
by packallday555 on Dec 21, 2009 3:33 AM CST up reply actions
penalties, penalties
We’re the worst in the league. Pathetic.
Yeah
Worst in penalties, really suspect on special teams, and we now know that when teams with good passing games go 3+ WR’s on us it’s not going to be pretty. You even could mention our run game or lack there of as a problem we have.
by packallday555 on Dec 21, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
In our defense
Nobody was running ball last night.
Yeah
But this trend was started by McCarthy.
by packallday555 on Dec 21, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
Collinsworth is praising Tyrell Sutton.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 20, 2009 9:50 PM CST reply actions
Speakingof which...
…the vikings look mighty average tonight against Carolina…the Saints lost to the Cowboys…Arizona squeaked by Detriot. I would hold up our performance against the NFC’s “elite” any time.
The NFC is wide open and we have the talent to make some noise.
I’m still stoked… And all day clay is a beast. Brad Jones with 2 sacks is another up and coming player…also Finley..
Very bright future (and present) …
by PackFaninFL on Dec 20, 2009 9:52 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
True
Jones looked great today. The play he shedded that block on that WR reverse was something I haven’t seen out of a Packer’s LB in a long time. Clay was great too, getting what should have been 3 sacks and a forced and recovered fumble. Raji played NT for Pickett, and too be honest I didn’t even notice he was out until about halfway through. Finley was excellent, and showed that he is going to make things happen when he gets a decent amount of talent. Jones had that great TD, in which he ran a great route and made a nice leaping catch and Nelson looked solid when he out there. We just have some pretty big gaps in other places and I’m really hoping TT will see them and fix them.
by packallday555 on Dec 21, 2009 3:37 AM CST up reply actions
Panthers up 18-7 now...
… conversion pending.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 20, 2009 9:52 PM CST reply actions
ouch. Poor Super Bowl champion Vikings...
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by Bush League All Star on Dec 20, 2009 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
That's happened...
…umm, wait. Gimme a moment here…
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Yeah
I think the Vikings officially have something to be worried about. They got blown out by a Cardinals team that was playing high level football but then got beat by an average Panther team who was without a couple Pro Bowl tackles, Williams, and a few big injuries to a couple of their guys on defense. Again the o-line got virtually no push for AP, and McKinnie was horrid in protection. I’m happy too because people are finally starting to see that when you can get some pressure on Favre, like most other Qb’s face, he isn’t always looking like he’s still a kid out there.
by packallday555 on Dec 21, 2009 3:42 AM CST up reply actions
Question!
Do teams still lose 10 seconds on the clock for false starts inside of 2 minutes? I looked at the NFL rulebook on NFL.com and couldn’t find it. Probably got rid of that rule, but I wasn’t sure.
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by Bush League All Star on Dec 20, 2009 9:56 PM CST reply actions
Last I knew...
If the clock is running and there is a pre-snap penalty on the offense, it is supposed to result in a 10 second rundown OR a loss of timeout. But I agree, I haven’t seen that one called this year.
Guys check this out...
so far in three games in the month of december, favre has 3tds and 3 ints. in his 3 games, he has a passer rating of 79.4 73.2 and tonight 82.3…
do you know understand why we have Rodgers and got rid of FAvre? That’s why T.T. did what he did…
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The FAvre December swoon is officially on.
got that right!
I will take Rodgers over Farve anyday! There was never any doubt in my mind about letting Farve go. Thinking and planning ahead they did. Im glad they let him go! TT did good there!
While the these numbers aren’t even really even all that bad, it does show that Favre still isn’t capable of playing at the same level he used to be able to maintain throughout an entire season. If you look at his numbers and watched him play the past 7 or 8 years, there is and was no denying that his play declined late in the year. He played spectacular in that Seahawks game in the 07’ playoffs but a lot of people seem to have forgotten that Grant ran for 200 yards and 3 TDs that game. His play has declined and it isn’t something that is just being fabricated.
by packallday555 on Dec 21, 2009 3:54 AM CST up reply actions
Steve Smith is just torching the Vikings.
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by Bush League All Star on Dec 20, 2009 10:04 PM CST reply actions
OK
I have calmed down now. Watching the Vikings look ordinary has helped I’m sure. ;-)
Anyhoo, first off – that has a hell of a pass and catch to win the game, so kudos for that I guess. Bell’s not to blame, shame you can’t say the same about Bush; he’s very bad, isn’t he? Really quite rubbish.
Crosby’ll be gone end of season I’d imagine but he didn’t lose the game; as mentioned above, the combination of pens and the decision to lay off Ben R when it’s universally acknowledged tat he’s become twitchy behind that porous line are what did for us in the end.
On a tangent: that whole MM getting all over-excited at Grant’s TD looked a bit odd to me, like he was trying too hard to convince RG he was on his side. Grant didn’t look exactly overjoyed in return. Maybe I’m reading something into nothing, maybe I’m just projecting my own prejudice against MM. Maybe I should be in bed seeing asit’s gone 4 in the morning…
Grant was probably tired from running 26 yards in the frigid cold to celebrate with coach!
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by Bush League All Star on Dec 20, 2009 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
Nevermind, I see why Ryan Grant wasn't too happy. McCarthy just brought the club down on him.
Straight forearm to the helmet. NFL is looking into fining McCarthy amidst the new concussion research!
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by Bush League All Star on Dec 20, 2009 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
I think he was so excited with Grant because those were the kind of runs we were seeing from him in 07’. He looked explosive on that run, outrunning an angle getting us a huge TD for us. That helped our team so much, and really helped the offense relax and get in a good rhythm a bit more. He needs to run that way more consistently.
by packallday555 on Dec 21, 2009 3:57 AM CST up reply actions
MM
Has never been even a mediocre coach. He has always been in way over his head and should’ve been fired after last year’s debacle. As long as he’s around we’re in trouble.
I think I’m starting to come to this realization more and more. He seems to be a great guy, and all the guys seem to like him but he doesn’t seem to have any discipline over them. We continue to rack up the penalties week and after week, and some of his play calls sometimes really have me wondering why he is still calling plays for us.
by packallday555 on Dec 21, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
He may not be the best
But I think the GM is a bigger problem.
The Packers will make the playoffs this year, and you don’t fire coaches or GMs who take their teams to the playoffs after a 6 – 10 season. I argue that making the playoffs this year is NOT as a result of being a legitimate playoff team, but rather because the Packers have had the softest schedule that I can ever remember them having. The quality teams they played are: Vikings (twice), Steelers, Ravens, Cowboys, and Bengals. Against these teams, they are 2 – 4. With the exception of the Cowboy and Ravens games, the defense has not played well against quality opponents.
Your right
I actually think TT is ok but we can agree to disagree there.
It’s clear we have the offense to compete with anybody, especially with the o-line playing better, but we just don’t have the depth at CB. Our 3rd, 4th, and 5th guys are all such liabilities.
by packallday555 on Dec 21, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
Carolina going to score again.
55 yard reception by some no one. Torched Antoine Winfail.
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by Bush League All Star on Dec 20, 2009 10:09 PM CST reply actions
TD CAROLINA!!!
This makes our loss not feel as bad. I honestly don’t care about losing to Pitt, they played tough. Just win out. Go to the playoffs and party. :)
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by Bush League All Star on Dec 20, 2009 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
That is a great plan.
Just win, baby!
Bound for New York City: January 6-9! Can't wait!
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 20, 2009 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
I have told Vikes fans over on DN a couple of times that Winfield isn’t all that spectacular in coverage but they all seem to tell me otherwise every time. He got beat 3-4 times tonight, and a few of them were for huge plays.
by packallday555 on Dec 21, 2009 3:59 AM CST up reply actions
AWESOME!!!
FAVRE PICK
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by Bush League All Star on Dec 20, 2009 10:14 PM CST reply actions
There is no problem for Favre in December....
He is just a kid out there….
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by Bush League All Star on Dec 20, 2009 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
A real gunslinger
Look how much fun he’s having!
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
hahahahahha
i am going over to norsewoman.
sad but true, i feel so much better now.
Favre with the INT>
ballgame.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 20, 2009 10:15 PM CST reply actions
Must still be November...he doesn't drop off in December...
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by Bush League All Star on Dec 20, 2009 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
And to think that the DN just went to all that trouble to "debunk" the Annual Favre Fade....
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 20, 2009 10:15 PM CST reply actions
LOL I read that...
Our buddy was helping them make those fine points….

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by Bush League All Star on Dec 20, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions
A poor game by Favre tonight coincides perfectly with what Gonzo just got done trying deny. There is no denying Favre looked mediocore tonight and really has looked that way the past few weeks.
by packallday555 on Dec 21, 2009 4:02 AM CST up reply actions
It's all my fault....
I foolishly told a friend we’d win last night and I immediately regretted the comment…
Goooooo-mez!
by Drew C on Dec 20, 2009 10:16 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Vikings lose LOL!
Wasn’t their loss to the Cardinals the wake up call? Still snoring I guess. :(
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by Bush League All Star on Dec 20, 2009 10:20 PM CST reply actions
And I bet the Saints fans are pretty much loving this.
Saints just pretty much got home-field after that.
Saints fan to Vikings? “Thanks for homefield!”
Hell the VIkings could almost lose 2 seed at this rate.
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by Bush League All Star on Dec 20, 2009 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
Would be nice to see that.
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by Bush League All Star on Dec 20, 2009 10:31 PM CST up reply actions
In theory, if the Vikings would lose another somehow.
The Eagles would get a two spot, and have to play Dallas (as of right now). Then go on to play the Hot eagles at Philly…ouch.
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by Bush League All Star on Dec 20, 2009 10:33 PM CST up reply actions
The Pack is in danger going golfing with the Bears
Everyone here thinks the WC is all sown up. Continued poor pass defense, special teams play and penalties will keep out out of the playoffs. Minnesota is in. We need to focus on joining them.
Exactly
We have to win these next two games. The Giants are one game behind us and I saw yesterday on a thread that if we finished with the same record as them they would have the tiebreaker.
by packallday555 on Dec 21, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
Go phili
Go any team to put them Vikes out. Including us!
Merry Christmas!
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by Bush League All Star on Dec 20, 2009 10:33 PM CST up reply actions
no need to panic just yet
I did not get a chance to see the game. Still, I heard all about it. I think the issues that cost the Packers the game are nothing new. Even with that, the team has still managed to get into position to win a playoff spot. Earlier this year few of us doubted this would happen. It would be best to think of this game in perspective of what Green Bay has accomplished in turning their season around. They remain a dangerous team. I hold no illusions about an easy run to a superbowl win. However, they might give some team(s) trouble in the postseason, assuming all goes well.
At least the Vikings and Saints lost. That should take them down a notch. I want to see the Colts lose too. If the Packers can’t be undefeated, then no one should be!
My in-laws DVRed this game for me
And when I went over to their place to watch it tonight, my father-in-law first tried to pretend he didn’t know they DVRed it. Then, when I asked to watch it, he said, “Really? OK.”
It made for a surreal experience: Based on his behavior, I was pretty sure (though not absolutely sure) the Packers would lose, so I went into that last drive wondering not whether Pittsburgh would score a touchdown, but precisely how.
Wait a second — I’ve just described how it felt to watch every close Packers game in the past two years. Ugh.
What a bad day for the NFC North
Lions lose barely to the Cardinals, we had our heartbreaker, and the Bears and Vikings were blown out by the Ravens and Panthers, respectively.
McCarthy
You don’t run you don’t win
1. 36 secs
2. 67 secs
3. 93 secs
4. 66 secs
5. 163 secs
6. 98 secs
Any one know what this is?
Thats right, McCarthy’s idea of a game plan.
This is the Packers first six possessions.
That’s how long the defense got to rest because some one refuses to run the ball.
AND HE WANTS TO BLAME NATHAN CROSBY!!!
Garbage I say.
Time to get a coach and GM that aren’t hell bent on proving Rogers is better than Favre.
by greenandgolddog on Dec 20, 2009 11:12 PM CST reply actions
It's Mason, not Nathan
And really, Green Bay has always been one of the more pass happy offenses in the NFL, even dating back to Favre. We were passing the ball actually way more in 2007 than we are now, and we were 13-3.
I’m assuming you didn’t see how Ryan Grant had 6 rushes for 17 yards before he broke off that touchdown run, right? Running game was pathetic today.
I still think TT is ok. MM just isn’t all that great of a head coach.
by packallday555 on Dec 21, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
I keep looking at the score line
And I keep seeing a goose egg in the 3rd quarter. Again.
Why the H-E-double-hockey-sticks can we not play immediately after halftime?
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"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Still bitter?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Thanks Clutch
I needed some humor after the game. Mora is my favorite one, just floors me evertime I see it.
Respects to Packer Fans
I just want to say to the Pack fans that your posts here show your knowledge of the game and passion for your team. Nearly everything I read is a comment about your team and your players, and it’s refreshing not to have to wade through 50 posts of pure trash about the opponent to find something useful.
Sorry about that steeltown jerk – he must think we were playing Cleveland or Baltimore. We kinda react to those games like you do for Packers-Vikings. Maybe the posts aren’t so thoughtful after a division game.
Most of us here in Pittsburgh appreciate a hard-fought ,close game. After 5 losses, it was nice to have one end in our favor. When the Pack started their last drive, the people around the TV set I was watching were saying “I hope they score quickly, so we ge another chance.” Last year we’d all be screaming for the D to come up big.
Whoever mentioned Rogers to Finely in th future makes a good point.
Thanks!
Thanks for the kind words. And I’d like to say the same about the Steelers fans that stopped by. Class acts all. The jackass earlier in the thread? We’ll chalk that up to him actually being a Vikings fan in disguise. :-P Good game tonight though.
by pvilleWIcheezhed on Dec 21, 2009 7:50 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks man!
Most of us here in Pittsburgh appreciate a hard-fought ,close game. After 5 losses, it was nice to have one end in our favor. When the Pack started their last drive, the people around the TV set I was watching were saying "I hope they score quickly, so we ge another chance." Last year we’d all be screaming for the D to come up big.
Doesn’t that suck? At least you guys have had the privilege of having a defense that could make those big stops the past few years.
by packallday555 on Dec 21, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I have to admit
I hate the Steelers a lot on the surface (know a lot of jerkass Steeler fans irl, think they won their two Super Bowls with a bit of help from bad officiating- especially the Seattle one- and I don’t like how the NFL coddles the Rooneys) but I like the team, the tradition, a lot and I always find those awesome black and gold uniforms to be really intimidating, no matter how bad the team is playing. Hard to look at Pittsburgh and not think, “STEEL CURTAIN! DEFENSE! PHYSICAL!” and believe that the game won’t be one that’ll leave the opposition bruised up.
But seriously… Y’all have got to get that Heinz Field turf fixed up!

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