Yes Chicken Little...the sky IS falling

Ahh, smell the sweet schadenfreude

Yea, I was visiting Mpls. this past weekend and all I heard on KFAN was how it didn’t matter a bit who started at qb for the Cards since the Vikings defense was so stout, blah, blah. And Favre and Co. are unstoppable, yada, yada.

And all of that is true when they play three home games in a row against the dregs of the NFL (i.e., Detroit, Seattle, and Chicago).

However, pit them against a fellow divisional leader, on the road, and golly jeepers, suddenly the Vikings look exactly like what they are: a very talented team that hasn’t really been playoff tested yet.

Last night they were finally tested and failed miserably, and I savored every moment of TEH FAIL.

by 400metres on Dec 7, 2009 9:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

EXACTLY.
I’ve been SO sick of hearing Vikings fans tell me MY team hasn’t been tested when theirs really hasn’t been either! I knew the Cards would give them a run for their money but I thought the Vikes had enough where they could at least play em tough and probably win. That game was a shocker.

I was getting SO sick of the over confidence here. SO sick of hearing people talking about how Vikes were easily the best and blah blah blah…I am enjoying this Monday. That’s all I can say.

by TrevorR on Dec 7, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ding ding!!

The Vikings have arguably a weaker schedule then we do. I’ve told one of my Viking friends ALL year. If you guys ever play a team that has good enough o-line to shut down your d-line, your passing defense will get carved up. I was mainly thinking about the Saints, but hey the Cardinals work too haha.

And now with Henderson out, who is their best LB in coverage and out there in nickel situations the pass defense will only get weaker. Though the return of Winfield will help a bit.

The Vikings pass defense is the reason I don’t think they’ll be able to win a Super Bowl. Every team in the playoffs will have a good-great o-line (aside from us haha). Teams WILL be able to slow their d-line down just like the Cardinals did. And when that happens, their secondary really doesn’t have a chance, especially against teams who have passing games like the Saints, Cardinals, Cowboys, and Giants. (Didn’t list us because we don’t have a good-great o-line.)

by packallday555 on Dec 7, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Winfield

There’s no guarantee that he’ll be back anytime soon. They are not talking to optimistic about it up here…people are feeling like the club has been hiding something about him all this time. If he was going to play, the Cardinals would have been THE matchup for him to be out there for.

by TrevorR on Dec 7, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Good point

I live in MN too, and there definitely had to have been something more serious that happened to Winfield then just a “foot sprain”. I’ve heard rumors of turf toe, which normally stays with players the rest of the year and sometimes for the rest of their careers.

by packallday555 on Dec 7, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm assuming the last choice in the poll

is just for Jarlsberg, right?

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Dec 7, 2009 10:08 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

;-)

by TrevorR on Dec 7, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

MJD from Yahoo...

http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/Is_this_the_beginning_of_the_Favre_fall_off/1697502

by TrevorR on Dec 7, 2009 10:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I'm in MN too

And I’ve been waiting ~~this whole season~~ my whole life (it seems like) for this to happen.

I really really hope the Pack wins tonight.

by StephanL on Dec 7, 2009 11:02 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Haha I know

I’ve been praying we win tonight. A win for us tonight would make my life absolutely perfect for at least the next week haha.

by packallday555 on Dec 7, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly…it was hard to not smile last night…its too bad my wife is a Viking fan or I would have been doing backflips or something by the third qtr! :-D

by TrevorR on Dec 7, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

After all the crap they have been giving the Saints fans...

telling them they are not the best team in the league and then proceed to get completely dismantled by the Cardinals. This was good.

Packers need to do their part and beat the Ravens.

Looking to buy: General Manager Deputy Badge

by Bush League All Star on Dec 7, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Its been great listening to all the whining about the Saints game from Viking fans on the radio today…I think its all they can do to stop themselves from crying on the radio!

by TrevorR on Dec 7, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hey Minnesota

Where’s your Messiah now?

by Charlie Kelly on Dec 7, 2009 11:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Careful guys...

We have a mother of a game coming up tonight. I wouldn’t dance too much just because the Vikes are now 10 and 2.

But one of things I now realize is the gap between the Saints and Vikes, versus Arizona, Philly, the Giants and even us is not as great as I thought.

I still think Vikes are a legit team, but their Safety play is just terrible and without Winfied, their cornerback play is average at best. Arizona gave the league a formula on how to beat the Vikes last night.

But right now, I’m nervous about this Baltimore team that has been better than their .500 record..

by PackFaninFL on Dec 7, 2009 12:01 PM CST reply actions 1 recs

Agreed ...

Watching last night’s game was great – the Vikings collapsed, Favre finally looked human again, and Fitz is on my fantasy team. But let’s remember the immoral words of the Wolf in Pulp Fiction: “(Insert quote I certainly can’t use on a family website).” We have a VERY tough game tonight, and I’m still not sold on our O-line holding up against a quality defense. I’m going to watch and wait so as not to spoil the potentially delicious karma of revenge in the playoffs.

by jglowack on Dec 7, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

LMAO!

One of my all time favorte movies…I think the line you are talking about is after the finished cleaning up the car, he told Vince Vega and Jules to chill, they weren’t finished yet. I am trying to remember the words…I’m going to look it up!

by PackFaninFL on Dec 7, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It was very enjoyable

watching the vikings get owned. I go to University of Wisconsin Eau Claire and I’m from Green Bay. Half of the people here are viking fans and I listened to people up until the game talk about “how they couldn’t wait until the super bowl”. After the game they refused to believe what happened and thought EJ Henderson would be fine.

Friends don't let friends be cub fans

by BIGPAMPERINO on Dec 7, 2009 4:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

What?

You might have to be challenged to not think that Henderson’s injury wasn’t a serious one. The replay was the first indicator. The second and one you absolutely couldn’t miss if you watched the game was the emergency cart they brought out for him, and the 6 doctors and Chill standing over him. And his brother holding his hand crying wasn’t exactly a good sign either..Or the guy holding his leg as the drove off in the cart at probably 2-3 mph (so the leg would stay stable).

That was a gruesome injury. Reminded me of the Theisman injury and McGahee’s a few years ago.

by packallday555 on Dec 7, 2009 5:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah this was a bad one.

I can’t handle the bad ones like EJ’s. I really hope he gets better, but maintains a positive attitude during his rehab.

Looking to buy: General Manager Deputy Badge

by Bush League All Star on Dec 7, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

they did a really poor job of indicating the seriousness of it. I had NO idea it was so bad until the next day. Broken femur? DAAAAAAMN.

Yeah that is the THIGH bone, the largest one in your body!!!

by TrevorR on Dec 7, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Who did a bad job of indicating seriousness?

The announcers & anyone watching that play knew it was bad the moment the replay was shown. You are the only person O know who was confused and uncertain

by puddnhead on Dec 7, 2009 9:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

not all of us are Viking fanatics like you, puddn

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Dec 7, 2009 11:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

or are you a Packer fan again?

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Dec 7, 2009 11:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

?

I don’t even understand you r point? Somehow fans of one team are better at seeing legs being bent at grotesque angle in HD than fans of another team??? Is there something about being a Packer fan that makes you blind for noticing obvious injuries to people wearing purple jerseys? Why are we even having this conversation?

Seriously dude, I don’t get you. I’m not here to talk smack, and I’m not going to be drawn into it. So why do you keep trying? What is the point? What does it achieve?

by puddnhead on Dec 7, 2009 11:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think he was just tuggin at ya a little bit.

by TrevorR on Dec 8, 2009 12:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you flatter yourself puddn

i just have a hard time understanding how someone who claims to be a Packer fan at one point in his life can suddenly turn and be a Vikings fan when its convenient for them. that’s all

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Dec 8, 2009 6:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I have a hard time understanding it too

That doesn’t explain, but maybe at least it conveys it’s complicated. It just happened. A combination of distaste for how Thompson runs the team, going back to well before the Favre fiasco, combined with the feeling that they have the wrong head coach. I felt that when they were 13-3 almost as much as I feel it now. Add a history of being content once before when they were losing because it might bring about a change in the FO (that time with Forrest Gregg). Stir in watching AD play whenever I could last couple years, after going to a game when visiting my brother who lived just norht of Minneapolis (what a phenom) and that fact I am a UW-Madison alum on campus and going to games when Childress and Bevell were there. Because of that, and because I thought Sharper and Longwell were two of the best Packer players of the last ten years, both dumped inexplicably by “enigmatic Ted,” I found myself already watching & cheering Viking on in the playoffs last year, given Packers were out. I already probably had more “connections” to the actual human beings who were members of the Vikings, than I did to the >75% of the pacers who had been there only a couple years in 2008. Only then came Brett, who I guess was the thing that forced me to make a choice.

Once that started, heap on some SERIOUS distaste of how so many punk Packer fans mocked and ridiculed and insulted Favre for contemplating a thing this spring that there is absolutely nothing wrong for that man to do, and … it started to feel like a club that I didn’t like a lot of the other membership of (and I’m not the only one one who got pushed out by that boorishness … I just may be one who posts to chat boards more than the others). It used to be respectable to be a Packer fan, we had a good rep. Now it’s kind of embarrassing, people outside Wisconsin think, with all the Brent and Judas and jersey burning and booing, that they’re kooks

If that helps answer your question.

by puddnhead on Dec 8, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Its a try

but its not something I could ever do. You say it used to be respectable to be a Packers fan, are you suggesting that it is now respectable to be a Vikings fan? A bunch of bandwagon jumpers who might soon be cheering for the Los Angeles Vikings? Except that they will have jumped off the bandwagon well before. A bunch of people who called Favre every name in the book and discredited him for 16 years and now, miraculously, have seen the light and praise him like he’s Christ reincarnated (altho Peterson already has that title)? That is better than people who loved and adored him for 16 years and reacted poorly when he let his childish personal bickerings get in the way of the relationship he had with his fans, once possibly the greatest in sports, and now boo him? If you’re asking if that makes sense to me then, no, it doesn’t. I respect you trying to explain it to me but I don’t understand it by any means. In the 80’s when you wanted Forrest Gregg out did you cheer for the Bears cause they were winning?

For someone who seems to care so much about how outside people view Wisconsin, do you ever wonder what they think about a guy who abandons “his” team and cheers for their biggest rival when its convenient to him?

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Dec 9, 2009 6:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I understand where puddnhead is coming from but there are still some things I don’t agree with.

A bunch of bandwagon jumpers who might soon be cheering for the Los Angeles Vikings? Except that they will have jumped off the bandwagon well before. A bunch of people who called Favre every name in the book and discredited him for 16 years and now, miraculously, have seen the light and praise him like he’s Christ reincarnated (altho Peterson already has that title)? That is better than people who loved and adored him for 16 years and reacted poorly when he let his childish personal bickerings get in the way of the relationship he had with his fans, once possibly the greatest in sports, and now boo him?

This is said very well. I get some Packers fans have done some poor things regarding Favre but living in MN and knowing “Vikings fans” my whole life it’s hard to think that there is a worse fan base out there.

I just want to start off by saying, I don’t think all Vikings fans are bandwagon jumpers and I acknowledge that their are some out there (a lot of the fans on DN) that stay with their team through anything. But from the “Vikings fans” I knew, which was a pretty good amount, nearly all of them were bandwagon jumpers and remain so to today.

Last year after starting out the year poorly, many of them told me “they weren’t even Vikings fans”, they just followed them because they were from MN….Which is something I cannot relate to one bit!

Then after they started winning again they all wanted to tell me how good they were, and how big of fans they were…ESPECIALLY, after they beat the Packers week 10. ..What a joke.

Another thing they all used to love to tell me was that Favre wasn’t that good. “The only reason Favre is so good is because his WR’s make him look good.”…That’s what one of my “Vikings friends” said to after our week 17 game. Another thing they also loved to point out was that he held the record for INTs.

Then Favre goes to the Vikings in the summer, and wouldn’t you know it I get a million texts from all my “Vikings friends” telling me “we finally have a good Qb, we’re gonna win the SB.”…I found this interesting, because the last I had heard from all of them about Favre was that he was only good because of his WRs…

Something that is very, very telling about the Vikings fanbase was that Fox had to buyout their remaining tickets just so their playoff game, yes I said PLAYOFF game, wouldn’t be blackouted. And it wasn’t just that game, it was nearly every game going back as far as week 6 or 7.

And they think they should get a new stadium? The ONLY reason fans are actually attending their game now is because they have Favre and there are very good this year. I’ve got news for those “fans”, Favre won’t be there forever and when he does leave, they’ll be right back where they were before. With no Qb, and what will probably be a slightly above average team for maybe 1-2 years before they start losing guys like Pat, Winfield, Hutch, and a couple more.

I’m sorry but as a whole the Vikings fan base is kind of pathetic. (Because of those bandwagon jumpers, which evidentally, makes up a large portion.)

by packallday555 on Dec 9, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I've had the EXACT same experience

My favorite moment was years ago during a Packer Viking game. It must have been around 1999 or 2000 based on where we were living. My roommate, who was a casual Viking follower, was watching the game with me and a group of about 10 people…few packer fans, mostly Vikings though. The Vikes were lining up for a FG to win the game…he JUMPS up from his seat and starts tearing into me about how the Vikes are going to win. This is a kid who barely even knew who half the Vikings were at the time. I look at him and say…you realize your kicker is going to miss and your team will lose and then you’ll REALLY hear it. Well Anderson misses, we get the ball and then the amazing Freeman catch off the foot happens and he trots into the end zone for the win.

What amazing is how he was suddenly this HUGE viking fan even though I never heard a peep from him that entire season. I could list tons of stories about fairweather Viking fans but I won’t. My wife is a HUGE Viking fan and a very loyal one. It took her a while to admit she was glad to see Favre come to the Vikings…partially cause she hated him for so long and partially cause she couldn’t admit to me that she was excited! haha She was back to cursing him on Sunday night though…just the way I like it! :-)

by TrevorR on Dec 9, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

haha this is funny

I was just going to comment on my comment, I’m sure some of the other Packers fans who live in MN have stories too, but you had already commented on it!

What amazing is how he was suddenly this HUGE viking fan even though I never heard a peep from him that entire season.

Exactly. I can’t tell you how many people I know or have met that are like this. And what’s funny is, a 10-6 record wasn’t even enough to get all the bandwagon fans too jump on. It took a 10-2 season, which isn’t something that happens all that often, and something that likely won’t happen again after Favre leaves, for all the fans to jump on the bandwagon.

How do you feel about the new stadium issue?

by packallday555 on Dec 9, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I can’t believe the Vikings haven’t gotten one. Honestly what made the most sense was the deal in Anoka County. There are few areas that can build SO many stadiums in one city like that and afford it…why not spread it around. I love the idea of building an entire city around it basically like they talked about. It would have done wonders for the area too and helped to spread some of the tax burden a little better. I don’t know if they’ll get it done though, its BAD timing with the two new stadiums and the economy…this area has a history of losing teams due to a lack of support and loyalty.

Sadly…if they lose it, it would be a LONG time before they got it back. I can’t see them losing the Vikes though and Jacksonville keeping the Jags.

by TrevorR on Dec 9, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I strongly oppose the new stadium, just like I did for the other two

I know the Metrodome is a turd but it’s really not that old and the Wilfs could put some money into improving it. I just don’t see the point of spending state money on a playground for millionaires when we’re in a deficit.

There is a shortage of jobs for cops and firefighters due to budget issues. Schools are being closed and teachers are being layed off. But hey, as long as I have a place to get drunk for three hours every Sunday, who cares?

Despite hating them, I don’t wanna see the Vikings leave. I’m just tired of hearing about how we need to buy them a new stadium. In reality, Viking fans don’t know how good they have it. Outdoor football is great to watch on TV and it’s a fun experience but at the same time I’ve been to a few Lambeau games and when it’s balls cold out like it will be in Minnesota this upcoming Sunday, I personally wouldn’t mind being inside.

by Charlie Kelly on Dec 9, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

great points CK

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Dec 9, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

But that is the thing…we already have those shortages…its not like the stadium put them there. THe schools in MN have been underfunded for almost a decade. Everything is underfunded right now…taxes are coming up short due to higher unemployment, lower business revenues, etc.

I like the idea of moving the Vikings to another area like Anoka/CR/Blaine for that reason, it takes the burden off of Minneapolis. They already support the Twins and Wolves and a major college. Anoka would make GREAT sense due to land availability and willingness to actually do it. I do NOT support a retractable roof though. Either be indoors or out, make a choice, but on a stadium that size its a HUGE waste of money…hundreds of millions of dollars.

Sure it gets cold in the winter, but honestly, that is what its about…foootball isn’t about pansy suites and controlled temperatures and tapped in fan noise. Its about playing in all elements…if you don’t like cold games then watch at home. That is my take on indoor vs outdoor! :-)

If they just tear down the dome and build a new stadium there though I think its like putting a bandaid on it.

by TrevorR on Dec 9, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Just for clarity's sake

When I said this

hat is better than people who loved and adored him for 16 years and reacted poorly when he let his childish personal bickerings get in the way of the relationship he had with his fans, once possibly the greatest in sports, and now boo him?

I was referring to his relationship with the team and fans as being possibly the greatest in sports, not that the fans were once possibly the greatest in sports and now are not. That is puddn’s point, not mine.

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Dec 9, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Sharper and Longwell were not inexplicably released

They were released because we didn’t have the money for them. Also, I hate to break it to you but Viking fans were ridiculing and mocking him as well when he initially decided to stay retired. Like us, it probably wasn’t so much about the decision he made (I still stand that he can and should play wherever he wants as he is a grown man and it’s his life) but the way he went about it. I have been tired of the guy’s on/off attitude about what he wants since it all started back in 2003 (Yes, this all started six years ago) That’s the only thing that makes me tired of the guy. Also, like I said before, every fanbase has their share of punk fans but hey, thanks for making it seem like us Packer fans are the only ones.

by Charlie Kelly on Dec 9, 2009 7:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly!

by TrevorR on Dec 9, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I still don’t know who these people are that you talk about that think poorly of anyone in WI because of anything about FAvre. If anything, they already thought that. BUT most people I talk to are/were annoyed to DEATH with Favre’s indecisiveness…with his being CONSTANTLY looking for attention in the offseason…with his using the media to think through decision instead of just making one…with his attempts to discredit the fans who had his back for many years. The only people I have EVER heard say anything negative about people from WI in relation to the Favre thing is people from Minnesota who have an obvious bias.

by TrevorR on Dec 9, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

They actually did make a huge deal of it. And at first they thought it was probably more serious then it ended up being.

by packallday555 on Dec 7, 2009 11:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well I live IN Minnesota and just about everyone I talked to didn’t realize how bad it was. It felt like the announcers just danced around it and kept talking about other things and just occasional glanced back to it.

by TrevorR on Dec 7, 2009 11:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Are you KIDDING?

They even closed the broadcast with condolences and best wishes to Hendersaon and his FAMILY, for crissakes. How hard did the announcers have to hit you over the head?

ALl I can figure out is that they only ran the replay exactly once, and maybe you missed it. Anyone watching that replay — including the announcers — had no doubts about how serious that was. I think the announcers just didn’t want to sensationalize it — they never loop really bad injuries over & over — and assumed that people who watched that, had a clue and didn’t need it to be baby spooned to them.

by puddnhead on Dec 7, 2009 11:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Dude why do you ALWAYS have to be such a douche?

I can’t imagine actually knowing someone who overreacts like you do all the time…settle down already. I know you are pissed cause you want TT and MM out and now it will never happen but chill the hell out. Anyway, all I know is a lot of people were surprised by the seriousness of it.

Who was watching at the close of that game anyway…that game was over with like 8 minutes left.

by TrevorR on Dec 8, 2009 12:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I write abou thte game, you responds with personal insults that have nothing to do with football

So who’s the douche again?

Like I wrote just above … too many punk Packer fans in the ranks these days to enjoy the fraternity. There are still lots of good, classy ones too — many posting here — but punks like you seem to be getting more & more the norm. Last reply I make to you, unless I forget.

p.s. your comment

Who was watching at the close of that game anyway…that game was over with like 8 minutes left.

Apparently you thought you were. You just gave us a critique of exactly how the announcers treated it:

It felt like the announcers just danced around it and kept talking about other things and just occasional glanced back to it.

Now you claim “I wasn’t even watching.” Dude, if you want to be “that kind of guy” and tee up other people … try at least not to contradict yourself? lol

by puddnhead on Dec 8, 2009 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

too many punk Packer fans in the ranks these days to enjoy the fraternity.

Thankfully for you there isn’t a Vikings fan alive who isn’t the epitome of class and grace, huh?

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Dec 9, 2009 7:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You can’t see your own insults dude! I know you try to mask them but you CONSTANTLY try to belittle people! Its the lowest form of posting out there…you want to see classless look in the mirror!

Your entire post is laughable. I am talking about DURING the injury, not after the game is done. There was NO contradiction at all there big guy. Please, please at least try to make sense with your posts. I’ll try to not “name call” if it hurts your feelings but seriously you need to chill with the overreactions and if you are going to accuse someone of being classless, its time to class it up yourself and stop belitting people in all your posts!

by TrevorR on Dec 9, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you've done the same

so relax. everyone here is a douche one time or another.

like Jared Allen

"I feel like I need to issue a formal apology to the Green Bay Packer defense..."'
Trent Dilfer, 12/07/09

by PackaCracka on Dec 9, 2009 8:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He's a damn entertaining and talented douche, though

Kinda like 85.

by puddnhead on Dec 10, 2009 8:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Who? Me or Jared Allen? I think you would be right either way! ;-)

by TrevorR on Dec 11, 2009 9:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well I live IN Minnesota and just about everyone I talked to didn’t realize how bad it was.

This could be fans being fans, not hoping for the worse. Because I had a friend last night to who was questioning whether or not EJ would be done for the year which I thought was absolutely ridiculous. Watching the game last night you could definitely tell that this was a serious injury. I personally thought just from watching the replays and seeing the reactions of some of the Vikings players and staff that Henderson could be done for his career. Luckily, that doesn’t look like it will be the case though.

by packallday555 on Dec 7, 2009 11:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, in case you didn't hear the update

The current speculation is that he has a good shot to be back next year.

Thank god (and i know good football fans like you want him to recover, no matter what jersey he wears). It’s moments like those, though, that cause some introspection. My dad was a big boxing fan, and I never quite got into it with him, no matter how much I watched. The brutality of it left me uneasy.

There are times that I wonder how different football is. But at least most of the time the serious injury is not intentional. The exceptions I never forget (I will always despise Sapp for what he did to Clifton, Rodney Harrison for what he did to Trent Green (in the preseason!), and I turned permanently against Forrest Gregg after he sanctioned & perhaps even encouraged Charles Martin to try to seriously hurt McMahon).

by puddnhead on Dec 8, 2009 8:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, I’ve never been into boxing but my dad and his dad both like it a lot. It scares me to see Ali back in the day when he was an absolute specimen, to where he is at now.

That Sapp hit will ALWAYS stay with me. I just can’t and won’t ever be able to wrap my mind around why someone would hit someone as hard as they possibly can when their absolutely defenseless…

by packallday555 on Dec 8, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That would be great if Henderson is back next year

Because I initially thought I heard people saying it could be a career ender. It doesn’t matter who he plays for, in the end it’s all just a game and you never wanna see a man lose his career or be seriously injured. Hopefully he has a quick recovery.

by Charlie Kelly on Dec 9, 2009 5:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He’s a great linebacker and a pretty good dude. You never hear anything negative about him around here which in this age is a pretty positive comment about an NFL player! :-)

by TrevorR on Dec 9, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It was certainly bad

viking fans might be a tad bit delusional

Friends don't let friends be cub fans

by BIGPAMPERINO on Dec 7, 2009 7:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

yep the vikes finally lost again....

but that dosent change the fact that we destroyed you guys twice this year… its funny to see how happy Packer fans get when someone else beats a superior team that you cant beat yourselfs…

by Toes110 on Dec 7, 2009 11:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Haha

Yep, I was waiting for this to come…It’s not about you beating us twice. It’s about ALL of the Vikings fans talking about how they were going to win the SB, and this and that. I’ve said it all year and I’ll say it again..your secondary will not be able to hide behind your d-line all year, and especially not in the playoffs where the majority of teams will have good o-lines.

You’ve had the luxury of playing weak teams with weak o-lines, and we’re starting to see how your defense looks against teams with good o-lines.

by packallday555 on Dec 7, 2009 11:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hey…you lost…we won…go away loser. Your team looked like $#%@! on Sunday. You were HANDLED by the Cardinals. Favre was mortal…welcome to reality!

by TrevorR on Dec 8, 2009 12:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

My Favorite Part

of last nights game was the look on Favre face at the end of the game. To me (and this is just my opinion, but I know everyone will go crazy) he looked like he finally understood what it is that he has done. He looked like a man that realized “I JUST SOLD MY REPUTATION, STABBED MY FANS IN THE BACK, FOR THIS, and I’M STILL NOT GOING TO MAKE, MUCH LESS WIN THE SUPERBOWL AGAIN.” Like I said, I know the Vikes fan, and the Favre lovers will jump all over this, but thats what I saw, AND I’M LOVING IT!!!

by ShawnH on Dec 8, 2009 12:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

just on sunday..

well yeah I will agree that we did look like shit on sunday…. but the funny thing was…. that was the only sunday that we really looked like shit…. now how many times this year have the pack looked like shit… I mean for the love of christ you lost to Tampa bay… the record speaks for itself… yeah I admit that we looked rough on sunday… but you guys have looked terrible all year, now your finally showing some signs of being an actual football team. but that dosent change the fact that the Vikes are the better team this year… hands down…

by Toes110 on Dec 8, 2009 7:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

wager

I would wager a bet that the Packers beat the vikings in the playoffs.

You will lose against Cincy and NY Giants. You better pray that you win your away games…or you will be at Lambeau in Jan.

And we all know how favre plays at Lambeau in the cold.

by Acme on Dec 8, 2009 10:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Haha terrible teams don’t go 8-4 buddy. I know all you guys feel like both of our games this year were complete blowouts, but that really wasn’t the case.

Whether your willing to realistically acknowledge this or not I don’t really care..but I’m going to say it anyway..the main reason you beat us both times we played was because of how poor our o-line played. When our o-line was able to block for Rodgers, we really didn’t struggle one bit on offense. With our o-line playing much better as of late, I don’t think it’s out of the question to think they could play better against you guys.

Our defense has also been much better as of late too, and really has looked like one of the best units in the league the last few weeks, while playing a top 5 offense in this league and probably a top 10 offense in this league. I’m not trying to hint that we would shut down your offense if we happened to play a third time but I do think we would perform much better.

I don’t know. I look at both games, and despite the fact that our o-line was absolutely horrible, we still had chances in both games too win. Just makes me wonder what could possibly happen if our o-line is able to give up maybe only 3 or 4 sacks compared to the 6+ they did in the 2 games against you guys.

by packallday555 on Dec 8, 2009 11:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Not going to argue with you

I agree, you beat us twice this year. I could even say that you might, MIGHT, still have a better team, although I’d love to see Favre get beat by the Packers in the playoffs (would make my entire season worth while), but you might beat us there. My point is that Favre sold his soul and stabbed everyone (east of the WI/MN boarder) in the back, and in my opinion, it was ALL FOR NOT, I don’t think he will make the SB, much less win it. That was my point, not a shot against the Vikes.

by ShawnH on Dec 9, 2009 12:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

another “classy” Viking fan huh?

Hey buddy…come back when you actually WATCH the games. On a side note…enjoy your end of season collapse! How did it go for you last time you finished a season with one loss?

by TrevorR on Dec 9, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Funny

No, Chicken Little, the sky isn’t falling…. We have lost two games, each of which was to a team that played in the Super Bowl last year AND on their home fields. Kind of hard to get the “sky is falling” from that.

by PurpleJesus on Dec 8, 2009 9:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Because without that

you still haven’t beaten a winning team, and yes, I am big enough to admit that when we played this year GB was not a winning team, (WE LOST TO TAMPA!!!). Who knows maybe you beat Cincy this weekend, and then we see that you can run with a team that can play, or you don’t (which is what I think) and we stil wonder, are the Vikes that good, or just a matter of a VERY EASY SCHEDULE. Oh and by the way, before you start, yes I know, we gained from that too. Had we played a Colts, Pats, Chargers even the Cardinals that just beat you, we would not have the #1 defense. We’d be good, but not elite. That’s what I think people are finding out about the Vikes right now. There good, just not elite.

by ShawnH on Dec 9, 2009 12:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Not true

We did beat you twice and I consider you guys a Top 10 team in this league. I realize you lost to Tampa the following week but I attribute that to losing to us at Lambeau the week before beccause that was “the game” you wanted to win all year and didn’t. I think emotionally you were expected to let down that week given the emotion of the week before.

We will see how the Vikings do this week against the Bengals. If nothing else, it will be a fun game to watch. Either way, the Vikings will be tough to beat at home in the playoffs. I think we can beat any of the expected NFC playoff teams, except NO in their building right now.

by PurpleJesus on Dec 9, 2009 5:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Those two losses don't bode well though

Seeing as they were two of the better teams you played and they were on the road. The Vikings like the Packers have a pretty soft schedule this year. And if you’re already getting beat that badly by playoff caliber teams on the road, it’s not a good sign because what happens if they have to go to New Orleans come playoff time? I would postpone judgment until after this weeks game. But the Vikings kind of made this an all or nothing season with the Favre signing. They delayed another year of progress with another QB to take the shot with a proven player.

by Charlie Kelly on Dec 9, 2009 5:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I remain positive

I don’t see the whole negative angle on the loss to the Cardinals. Heck, from a timing standpoint it couldn’t happen at a better time. Frankly they were kind of coasting through the schedule and I only think this serves as a learning experience or “wake-up call”.

We both have had soft schedules, yes, but if you look around the league there is a lot of parity and a lot of teams playing just above or below .500. We did outplay the Steelers on their home field, but lost late, when they had everyone and were the team we all remember. Right now they are no longer that team. We also beat the Ravens when they had everyone as well, albeit a lucky win. Then, we did beat you twice so I count at least 4 quality victories against Top 10 (or Top 12 teams in the case of the Ravens when they were healthy).

I am concerned where we go with our QB in the coming years but I do think TJack has the talent, just not the mindset. It will be interesting to see what they do about QB next year if Favre decides to walk away (which I think he won’t) or starts to age as he should.

by PurpleJesus on Dec 9, 2009 5:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Did you listen to KFAN?

on Monday. The point of this was not US saying the sky is falling…its your own fans suddenly thinking that after one loss.

by TrevorR on Dec 9, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

OH and that wasn’t the attitude from 99% of the Viking fans going into the game…I didn’t hear any of you concerned about the “super bowl” team you were playing or that it was “in their home”…the Cards were going to get killed. I saw multiple TD victories predicted many times…it was your classic no respect for the opponent and the opponent rocked your world. Anyway, the Vikes are still a GREAT team, my opinion never changed there…it was just funny to listen to all the fans!

by TrevorR on Dec 9, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I get that

Plenty are paniced, for whatever reason. Not me… I think a beating couldn’t have come at a better time. Not fun to lose EJ but he wasn’t having a year like last year anyway. I want to see what the new kid can bring. I hear he can really hit!

No, I don’t listen to KFAN. I usually listen to ESPN Radio or NFL Radio on Sirius. Much more objective.

by PurpleJesus on Dec 9, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah I used to have Sirius NFL, but I had to cancel to cut some costs…I miss Schein and the boys! I’ll pass on espn radio though. I find the local radio to be very amusing…especially to an outsider who doesn’t like most of the local teams (except the Twins).

by TrevorR on Dec 9, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ESPN Radio

I only listen to Mike and Mike. After that strictly NFL Radio.

by PurpleJesus on Dec 10, 2009 7:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Last year he only played four games

So he must have been really unimpressive not to surpass that.

by Charlie Kelly on Dec 9, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Last year he looked amazing in the four games he played…a real game changer. This year, he seemed just average…like quite a few defenders that seemed to regress this year. After this injury, who knows what he’ll look like.

by TrevorR on Dec 9, 2009 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I disagree. At first Henderson looked pretty average, but the last 4-5 weeks he has looked very good. I’ve read a couple articles now the last couple weeks, in which Frazier and Childress have been basically praising him talking about how he was just about 100%.

Consider this. At the beginning of the year the Vikings run defense looked kind of weak, which was unusual because everyone has been used to seeing them being so stout against the run the last 3 years. The place where they looked the weakest, was right up the middle. I personally think this was because Pat just doesn’t look like the player he used to be anymore. Also in the beginning of the year, Henderson didn’t look as good either. Recently, since Henderson has started playing better and better, their run defense has started to look like the one of old.

I think they started to look like this because Henderson is so good against the run. He is sure tackle everytime, and is very fast. Nearly everytime a team tried to run up the middle on the Vikings, Henderson came flying in and made the tackle.

I think the loss of Henderson will hurt their run defense a considerable amount. From what I’ve read about Brinkley (who will replace him) it sounds like his strong suit is against the run. But I think it would be silly too think he’ll be able to come in and have the same impact that Henderson did.

Henderson was also good blitzing, and dropping into coverage just because he was able to get so deep so fast when they dropped into their cover 2.

by packallday555 on Dec 9, 2009 10:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Some of that is true

But in reality we were getting beat on the run around the outside, not up the middle. It is my belief that we were just being too aggressive up the middle of the line and not pursuing from side to side as we have i the past. I have seen an adjustment where our LB’s are now flowing to each side waiting for the RB to commit before pursuing toward the line. I believe that is the biggest change in why our run defense has improved.

Yes, EJ has been better lately but still not the game changer he was last year. Frankly, he still wasn’t hitting like he did last year either.

by PurpleJesus on Dec 10, 2009 7:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe it was runs to the outside but I remember Jamal Lewis and Kevin Smith running right up the gut (or off the guards) and doing most of their damage up the middle, as well as Steven Jackson.

I do remember seeing some big runs to the left side, particulary over Jared Allen. But I think this was mainly because he gets upfield so fast sometimes that he overuns the play.

by packallday555 on Dec 10, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That is true as well. Things have definitely improved as we are now once again pressing for the league lead in run defense. Some of that may be attributed to the fact we were playing with the lead a lot as well. Either way, there is some minor concern in my mind with the loss of EJ but I am excited to see the new kid play. This Cincy game will show where we stand.

by PurpleJesus on Dec 11, 2009 6:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ya the Cincy game will be huge because they’ve been able to run on pretty much anybody and everybody. It’ll be interesting to see how your run defenses fares against Benson.

by packallday555 on Dec 11, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Boy if you listen to PA on KFAN in minnesota today, you’d think it was impossible to run on the Vikings or something. They are very good, but I think most of it is STILL because their pass D is so poor. Why run for 5-6 yds when you can pass for 10. That said, the Bengals have put up gaudy numbers on just about everyone this year with Benson back there so I don’t see MN being any different.

by TrevorR on Dec 11, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Me neither

They have run on everybody they have played, everybody.

Haha ya I do listen to him in between my classes occasionally. I actually listened to him this morning also, and I don’t think the guy could be any more of a homer. I know he is “the voice” of the team but my God. My favorite is when he refers to KFAN as “KFAVRE”…

Charcien (sp?), who was on the show with PA today gave an analysis of the game and was pretty spot on. He talked about how the Bengals run the ball on everybody, having the lowest scoring defense in the league, and then talked about how talented their secondary is. He also talked about how if the Vikes turned the ball over even once, it could be hard for them to win because of how Cincy plays…

Then he predicted like a 27-14 win for the Vikings haha….his reason being, that because the Vikings wr corps is so deep (which had me laughing) they’d be able to spread Cincy’s secondary out. Hmm, to start off with I wouldn’t call the Vikes wr corps deep necessarily. Rice has been very good. Harvin has been good, and Berrian has been a huge disappointment.

Rice will likely be shutdown by Hall, who has shut down every big time WR he’s played besides CJ. And while Rice is good, he is no where near the talent CJ is. Joseph has been great this year and will absolutey lock Berrian up. I’m not sure who their nickel is, but I don’t see the Vikings has 3 or more WRs on the field a whole lot considering all I’ve heard up hear in MN is that AP is going to carry the ball 30+ times.

Haha sorry I went off on a little tantrum, I just thought it was funny how both PA and Charcien came to the conclusion of the Vikes winning.

by packallday555 on Dec 12, 2009 1:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

We will see

by PurpleJesus on Dec 12, 2009 9:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes we will

I could be overreacting to your guys’ bad game last week. I suppose you have to consider that the Bengals haven’t exactly been lighting the world on fire either as of late. It should be a good game and I’m pretty excited to watch it.

by packallday555 on Dec 12, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

and...

…I could be underreacting to it. I just don’t think 1 bad game on the road against a future HOF QB and a great Head Coach calls for “the sky is falling” reaction.

We did beat you guys pretty handily twice and you guys are definitely a top 8 team. Other than that, look around the league and tell me how many teams have beaten more than one Top 8 team. Basically, there aren’t any and if that is the classification of an easy schedule then everyone’s is….

by PurpleJesus on Dec 12, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hey man…we’re the ones that have been told for the past couple weeks (by your Viking compatriots) about how our team isn’t all that great and that our schedule is so easy, etc. Just returning the favor and reminding your fellow fans that its ALMOST the exact same schedule (2 games are different) so really if ours is easy so is yours! :-)

I think they say that cause of the easy teams, not cause of the amount of hard ones. Anytime you get to play the NFC West you are going to get that kind of comment I think! ;-)

by TrevorR on Dec 12, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

just my perception..

..the sky isn’t falling and I am as tough on this team as anyone. In fact, generally I am a pesimist when it comes to the Vikings however this year I see something different. I see a team with leadership and the ability to play with almost anyone. Whether that includes NO and Indy we will have to see.

As for the schedule, I am not sure who has been beating up the GB schedule as it wasn’t me and MUST be someone who doesn’t know a lot about football. Like you said, we both play about the same exact schedule with us playing the 1st place teams in those divisions and you playing a 2nd place teams.

Frankly it is just how it falls…. this year PITT looked SB worthy and then fell apart when TP got injured. That makes our schedule look easier even though PITT was top caliber when we played them.

Now we have Cincy who was supposed to be an easy game (based on last years records) and this becomes a tough one.

Lastly, like I said, how many teams have two victories against a TOP 8 team? I know we do because we beat you twice. Who else?…. Now, I am not saying that to give us our props. I am just saying it because you could say the same thing about any potential playoff team having an easy schedule this year. Problem is there are a lot of .500 and sub .500 teams and only a few (maybe 6 or 8) teams that look like you could claim you really beat a top caliber team.

by PurpleJesus on Dec 12, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

By no means were we a top 8 team the two games we played you. Our o-line was still playing horrible, and still had Barbre at RT. Our defense was also struggling a lot too.

The only reason the “sky falling” comment was made from TrevorR is because that’s what everyone was hearing in MN after your loss.

by packallday555 on Dec 12, 2009 9:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Seems to me

I remember a team that was 2-1 and 4-2 and talking a whole lot of jack both times and then lost…. Not sure how after being beaten pretty soundly, when you felt so good about yourselves both times, changes after you lose.

Some how, after losing to TB, then beating a weak DAL team, beating SF and DETand then a .500 BAL team you are so much dfferent and considerably better than when you played us? Please remember that is what you all said after the first loss when you dominated DET and CLE.

by PurpleJesus on Dec 12, 2009 9:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Weak Dallas team? they were super hot and our D cooled them down

and the Ravens deserve more credit too, though we did play them without Ed Reed

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by blackoutsox on Dec 12, 2009 10:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well if I were to pick one team

in the NFL that isn’t what their record says they are it is the Dallas Cowboys. I see them collapsing and missing the playoffs.

I do think BALT is a tough team to beat, especially when they have Reed and Suggs.

by PurpleJesus on Dec 13, 2009 8:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Please don't talk about weak opponents PJ

Or at least maybe remind me what good teams the Vikings have beaten?

by Charlie Kelly on Dec 12, 2009 10:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Packers and Vikings have weak Strength of Schedules...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/news/story?id=4027503

But yes, Dallas was pretty hot going into that game. Coming off a big win against Philly.

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by Bush League All Star on Dec 12, 2009 11:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I have agreed

That we both have weak schedules this year. I do think you can’t look at a June 2009 measurement as to whether your schedule is weak or not today. Many teams that looked like an easy game in June are far from that here in this season.

by PurpleJesus on Dec 13, 2009 8:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe you should read the entire string.

Actually, I agreed that we have virtually the same schedule as you. My point was that everyone is trying to say how now you are a Top 8 team and when we played you it doesn’t count as a good win. Please help me understand that…

And for the record… I do consider beating you twice as 2 good “top 8” wins. Who else has that?

by PurpleJesus on Dec 13, 2009 8:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I actually didn’t think we would beat you week 4 seeing as how our LG was starting at LT against an elite DE, and we had a safety in their for his first start while still learning our system. And on top of that, it was in the dome.

The second game I thought we had more of a chance, mainly because Bigby was back and we were at home. When we finally showed up we gave you a run for your money. It’s too bad we could only put 2 quarters together.

Weak Dallas team? Your right they weren’t on a 4 game winning streak with wins over a 4-1 Falcons team and a 5-2 Philly team. Say what you want about the 49ers but their a solid team. Gore is a top Rb and their defense is tough. Detroit is weak and we killed them we should have. 500. Ravens team..so did you add the 500. in there so it would make it look like their team is weak? They were 6-5, with wins of San Diego, Denver, and Pitt. And were in a must win situation. And that’s not too mention that they played some other top teams awfully close, like you guys, the Colts, and the Pats.

I’m not sure what your argument here is…? You were just telling us that we’re a top 8 team, which would make your team look stronger seeing as how you beat us twice. But then you went on to basically tell us we haven’t played anybody good. Which as you probably know doesn’t make us look too good, certainly not top 8, because we were “dominated” in our two matchups against the Vikings right?

Your normally really civil and calm, but it’s pretty obvious we hit a nerve, cause your anger seeped into your reply to me. I think you guys are good, probably a top 5 team. You’ve played some softer opponents like us which definitely helps, but there is no denying you have talent and lots of it. I viewed your Cards game as a really good indicator of where your team is at, seeing as how their a fellow division leader and a team you could easily end up meeting in the playoffs. Obviously you got beat by them, and it wasn’t pretty and I think because of that you guys have a lot to prove to everybody, because all I’ve heard all year is how you guys basically have the SB won, and how your the greatest team ever.

by packallday555 on Dec 13, 2009 12:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually Pack

I was simply doing what everyone else wants to do to the Vikes schedule. The point was you can’t have it BOTH ways… Case in point, whenever you analyze the Vikes it is that they have no good wins, even counting the wins over you which I do think were strong wins.

I agree that SF is tough, yet until you played them all the GB fans wanted to count that as a walkover win for us.

As for us already having won the SB, you will never hear that from me. I know there is a lot to prove but I do believe we are a top 5 team. The Card loss was what is was, we started ok then got a few key injuries (which didn’t help) and the Cards had a great game plan both defensively and offensively. They really took it to us and kudos to them. I always liked Kurt Warner and I though their defensive game plan was genius!

by PurpleJesus on Dec 13, 2009 8:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The 49ers didn’t have Gore for your game. Thats what made it a walkover win for you.

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by verno329 on Dec 13, 2009 8:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I am not trying to criticize ar analyze win vs win. If I was, I would say that beating Balt with both Reed and Suggs is far different than when they are gone. SF is an up and coming team ~~- a little erratic~~- but they have a good defense and play hard and physical.

by PurpleJesus on Dec 13, 2009 8:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I’m not going to tell you, you have no good wins. I think beating us twice were two good wins, just for the simple fact that our games our always close and always tough.

Some people may have felt SF was a walkover when they played you guys but I certainly didn’t. Their defense is good, and their offense can be too.

What I said is more aimed or directed at those fans who feel you guys are superior to every other team in the NFL and are bsically going to have a cakewalk to Miami.

I agree the Cards had a great game plan.

by packallday555 on Dec 13, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Going on record

I am not one of those Viking fans. It is not a cake walk, nor do I think we even have an edge. NO is the team right now no doubt about it.

As for my reply above, you seemed to interpret my reply as angry or retaliatory and if you sensed that I apologize. I always enjoy chatting with most of you and never want to seem to come off that way. I have to admit, I did reply as a reaction to the fact you commented that you “weren’t a Top 8 team” when you played us and I took that as trying to say we didn’t accomplish anything by beating you twice. Frankly, I think that is a huge accomplishment especially given the emotion of those wins. You guys have a very good team with some holes (like the rest of us) that you are trying to fill. I firmly say you are currently top 8 with the usually cast ahead of you including Cincy, AZ and NE.

Good luck today! Keep the pressure on us!

by PurpleJesus on Dec 13, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Just had to come back

The 27-14 prediction wasn’t far off. Actually he undersetimated!

I hope that made a statement as far as this post is concerned… We just beat the pants off a pretty darn good team (#1 in points allowed, # 1 run defense). Hopefully that puts an end to “we haven’t played anyone” nonsense….

Best of luck to you guys however. If we are all lucky maybe we will meet again?

by PurpleJesus on Dec 13, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You cant get a more objective view on the Vikings

than Common and Barrerrio on KFAN in the afternoon.

Those two are extremely reality-based in their commentary on all things Minnesota, imo.

It always struck me as ridiculous when people trash talk local sports opinionaters who know what they’re talking about , because they don’t like how hard they may be on their beloved sports teams.

Instead, they point to the national sports hosts who have nothing to gain and everything to lose by challenging any sports coach or organization.

Case in point for Vikings fans: Denny Green.

by 400metres on Dec 10, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I’ve only listened to Barrerrio once but I listen to Common nearly every day for an hour or so, and he is pretty realistic. Rosen isn’t too bad either or isn’t as bad as I thought a Minnesota news sports anchor would be.

I think it’s ridiculous how people think Common’s negativity towards the Gophers football program effects recruits decision to go there or not. The guy gets paid to talk about sports, and his opinions on Minnesota teams. If the Gophers are brutally bad, like they are, what do people expect him to say?

I also found the bit about their being an article in the Star Trib saying that Brewster is one of the guys Kansas is interested in filling their head coaching vacancy.

The reality is the Gophers aren’t bad because of all the negativity that surrounds their football program. Their bad because Brewster installed the spread offense one year. And then decided to go to the pro style offense the very next year, despite having 2 recruiting classes full of spread style players..

by packallday555 on Dec 10, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Barrerrio has been VERY homerish this year…not sure what happened with him. I don’t like duckies and bunnies Barrario though…I want the old cynical one back again!!

PA is garbage. I can’t listen to that show…he’s worse than the morning show. How much longer until they get rid of the Superstar. What exactly is he bringing to the show besides potty humor? They should just let Cove (Sludge) have the morning show…he’s great! I loved hearing him during all the Favre stuff in the offseason cause he HATED Favre. haha

by TrevorR on Dec 10, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I see it in the opposite way, I think the Arizona game was very important.

Because it would have shown they can beat a playoff quality team on the road, something they haven’t done yet and something it’s becoming more likely they’ll need to do if someone doesn’t take out New Orleans before they play.

Now I don’t think MN is entirely doomed here, they could recover from this by beating the Bengals but as it stands, I think they have been exposed. as an average team that has beaten up on bad or average teams (Packers included). Injuries are starting to become more numerous and suddenly that defense looks very suspect. Brett Favre has appeared to hit his December wall, and a team has proven to beat the Vikings you need to stop AP early, establish a lead and make Brett Favre come back and beat you.

Of course, I’m more pessimistic about this because I don’t like the Vikings but as a reasonable fan you can’t tell me you’re not concerned about your teams performance in a test against a real team (i.e. not the Bears, Lions, or Seahawks) and on the road.

Also, if Favre retires (We’ll find out next August) I don’t think Jackson will be able to QB the team. I agree he has potential but maybe not the mindset or confidence to match it, and I don’t think the team trying to replace him with Rosenfels and Favre will do anything to improve that.

by Charlie Kelly on Dec 9, 2009 6:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

That is how I view it.

The Vikings could have used a win here to demonstrate they are better than what the SoS shows them at. Even if on the road, it would probably put them at the best team in the NFC status with recent Saints struggles.

I also see the wake-up call angle. It could have been very possible to be going through the motions. Not really ripping the Vikes, but they really haven’t played a tough game since Steelers/Packers.

But these type of games for both the Packers and Vikings need to be statement games at the end of the year. Win against the teams that are upper tier, and show that the Black and Blue division is nothing to mess with.

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by Bush League All Star on Dec 9, 2009 9:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

I have us at # 5 right now. I don’t agree with the #3 ranking. Much to prove is right.

by PurpleJesus on Dec 9, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

5?

Saints, Colts, Bengals, Chargers…no particular order. Maybe bump SD or Cin for Arizona.

Interesting. You guys do play the Bengals so that would effect that order. It is safe to say top 5. Chargers are hot right now, but the Bengals can be beaten. Just don’t let Ochocinco toot the horn. I guess I can understand the argument for being anywhere from 3-5. I would still say 3 though.

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by Bush League All Star on Dec 9, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Yes

I think AZ deserves to be in there. I think Cincy may be # 6 behind us. That could change after this week.

by PurpleJesus on Dec 10, 2009 7:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It wasn’t even so much that they were “exposed” on defense, it’s just a team was able to block their d-line, and we were just seeing how poor their secondary really is when they don’t have Allen and co. to hide behind.

Williams and Johnson both scream average, as well as Griffin. Obviously having Winfield helps, but he still isn’t a really good cover Cb by any means. When teams are able to block your d-line, and have somehwhat of a passing game, they will be able to move the ball on you guys. Just like the 49ers showed (with Shaun Hill..), the Ravens showed, we showed (when our o-line actually blocked for Rodgers a bit), the Steelers showed, and like the Cardinals showed.

Obviously the game itslef didn’t mean a lot as far as the playoff picture goes but I do think it meant a lot in showing how good the Vikes truly are compared to another division leading team. The Vikings are just going to have to hope that they don’t get down early, because when defenses are actually concentrated on Favre and the passing game, they can shut it down. Even if that defense was ranked 29th against the pass going into that game…

by packallday555 on Dec 9, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

all good points

I agree with the fact that the vikes finally looked mortal last week… and yes I also think that it couldnt have come at a better time… I think we needed a slap in the face… I also think that the packers are looking like the team of old…. which quite honestly scares me a little bit,, I still think that we can beat the pack again… but I think it would be a much bigger test… but as far as favre stabbing the fans in the back,, I look at it two ways… maybe your right, maybe this is all just revenge.. but on the other side of things.. he wanted to come back and play… TT made it pretty clear that karen rodgers ( who I think has great talent). is there starter… well you cant fault a guy for wanting to come back, and play in a system that he already knows.. and with a team that has alot of potential… I understand why the pack fans are bitter about it… but, I think that when he gets inducted he will go in as a packer… but i mean for christ sakes, the pack tried to buy his retirement… 10 mil to stay retired??? obviously the guy wants to play the game..

by Toes110 on Dec 9, 2009 8:38 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

you're right

the guy obviously wants to play football…that’s why he retired the past two years and then, magically, got the itch to play again once training camps ended. sounds like a guy who just wants to play and be a part of team. britney favre just wants to play

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Dec 9, 2009 9:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

well you cant fault a guy for wanting to come back, and play in a system that he already knows.. and with a team that has alot of potential… I understand why the pack fans are bitter about it… but, I think that when he gets inducted he will go in as a packer… but i mean for christ sakes, the pack tried to buy his retirement… 10 mil to stay retired??? obviously the guy wants to play the game..

I agree with this and understand 100%. I think what most fans are upset with Favre about and what I’m upset with him about is how he acted throughout the whole thing. Quite frankly he acted immature, and reminded me of a 16 year old girl who was mad because she didn’t get her way. He also turned a lot of people against TT, who really was in a tough situation and turned people against Rodgers who had absolutely no wrongs in the situation. But we’ve talked about this stuff before and I personally don’t want another TT/Favre bashing thread.

by packallday555 on Dec 9, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

exactly how I felt. The problem is that the Packers were the dad that spoiled him all this time and lead to the tantrums! I guess both parties were at fault! :-)

by TrevorR on Dec 9, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Good post. I agree with you…well except that I think the packers NOW could take down the Vikes…I know it will at least be a real showdown.

by TrevorR on Dec 9, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I can only imagine and hope

how the stew gets thicker if the Vikes fall to Cinci. The random interceptions…… The Vikings locker room blame game ….. The Favre retirement talks…….The “how much does he have in the tank?” questions. With the gamble, the expectations… I can see that team imploding. Their own egos and the betrayal of the media can destroy them.

To the fair weather fans………. I have been a Packer fan since Lynn Dickey. I have been a fan through the good, bad and ugly. I eat smoked fish, cheese and brats. I have seen 80 yr old ladies flash their goodies at games when it is only 10 degrees (rather unsightly but funny) You can’t beat Green Bay fans, we root for our team even when they suck. We can be 4-12 at the last game of the season and it will still be sold out. See the Vikings fans are going to be lost because once the second comming is gone next year, or AP tweaks an ankle they will be like the lost children of Israel. And then figure out they are stuck with Childress as a coach. There is no pride there. They are all “who is winning this year” fans.

by turd on Dec 10, 2009 2:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I like the players, I have a connection with coaches going back to college

But … you got me! After being like you about 3 decades, I got old and feeble-minded, and let the ridiculous notion get into my head that I don’t have to mindlessly cheer the laundry . And then brag what a kewl dude I am for it. Guilty as charged.

by puddnhead on Dec 10, 2009 9:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

super duper

sarcasm alert

Friends don't let friends be cub fans

by BIGPAMPERINO on Dec 10, 2009 9:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I hope I never get that feeble-minded myself. It’s not about being a “kewl dude,” it’s about having the courage to stand by a team through thick and thin. I didn’t like the way the Brewers were run for years until Mark A came along but I never just chose another team while I waited for them to be good again. I may not have watched baseball or followed it as much during the lean years/decades because of the feeling of hopelessness, but I didn’t suddenly start calling myself a Yankees or Red Sox fan. I realize you don’t see it this way, and that’s fine, but understand that posting over at DN like you’ve been following and loving the Vikings for years and posting over here will draw a little attitude from people.

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Dec 11, 2009 7:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No one is loyal anymore these days it seems…its a “what have you done for me lately” kind of society. That’s why you don’t see people working at the same company for 30 years (rarely), that’s why divorce rates are through the roof, and its why the NBA can’t fill their seats anywhere.

by TrevorR on Dec 11, 2009 9:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Sigh

So you are now equating “disloyalty” to a professional football team with not giving a damn about your job or your spouse?

Oh god. You take this thing to a whole level of absurdity now.

by puddnhead on Dec 11, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

:-0
OH! You mean like when you say that EVERYONE outside of WI thinks Packer fans are idiots for how they talked about Favre after this past year?

I was just drawing a co-relation between two things…you can like it or not like it but you can’t deny that this is a “what have you done for me lately” kind of world now.

by TrevorR on Dec 11, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

uh-oh

methinks TR just caught you in a contradiction.

i do have a question for you though puddn. if you aren’t a packer fan now then why are you still posting here? not trying to run you off or anything, just wondering. i’ll admit that i do read DN and a few other SBNation blogs on occasion but i rarely if ever post there and certainly wouldn’t post somewhere if i used to be a fan and now root for their rival since they’re winning.

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Dec 11, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think he WANTS to be a Packer fan but his hatred of the current regime will not allow him to be…is that right Puddn?

by TrevorR on Dec 11, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah that’s what I’ve come to understand in talking to puddn. Of course I don’t want to speak for him or anything but from what I’ve gathered, he doesn’t like TT or a lot of our staff, and some of the moves they’ve made.

by packallday555 on Dec 12, 2009 1:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs