2009 NFL Draft Liveblog
We're here, gents. The draft starts at 4 EST, but we've already got our first pick in, courtesy of Detroit. It's kind of unfair that the Rams get 7+ hours for their pick, but that's how the chips fall sometimes.
A few notes before we get started. All times will be EST, just so there's no confusion. Additionally, I will be continually editing the post whenever news pops up, and will do so relatively often. So make sure you've got those 'refresh' buttons handy. Finally, I will be patrolling the comments incessantly, so if you've got a tip, quip, or analysis with some zip, I will gladly cut/paste you into the liveblog. Remember, the more comments, the better.
And...we're off!
(UPDATE: We're moving the liveblog to after the jump. This thing is getting way too long; it won't even fit on the front page.)
(SECOND UPDATE: That's what she said. Hey-oo!)
9:00 AM - I venture into my now-furniture-less kitchen and learn that Matthew Stafford is the Lions' pick. I would be happy for them, but there's two issues that I feel will come back to haunt them.
- Stafford's completion percentage at Georgia: 57%. That's less than his predecessor, David Greene (59%). If your first reaction to that news is "Who the hell is David Greene?", then you know Lions' fans should be worried.
- Stafford's contract: "...six-years, $72 million deal with $41.7 million guaranteed. The contract could be worth as much as $78 million if Stafford achieves all of his playing incentives." As Brandon pointed out, that figures to be more than Aaron Rodgers' extension mid-way through last season, and some people thought that was premature.
Sorry, Detroit, but there's not enough ass pennies in the world that could ever make me think that this is a good move.
2:57 PM - After a fun morning of signing new apartment leases and installing my brand new TV, I finally manage to get back to my computer. Even though ESPN is showing the Nuggets-Hornets game, we're still getting draft news. My favorite tidbit? The Seahawks might pass on Mark Sanchez, which would allow the Browns(!) a shot at drafting the USC man.
From Mel Kiper's mock draft:
The buzz surrounding the draft is focused on the No. 4 pick. It looks as though the Seahawks may take Aaron Curry instead of Sanchez. That would enable the Browns to either pick Sanchez and trade Brady Quinn or trade the pick. My information is pointing toward the Browns trading Quinn and selecting Sanchez.
Why they would trade Brady Quinn so quickly is beyond me. Any ideas?
3:04 PM - And we have our first question from the comments section, courtesy of mkcubs21.
You think Boldin gets dealt today? What do you think the Packers do?
As far as Boldin goes, I think the Cardinals would be stupid to trade him. You simply can't find a better WR tandem than Fitzgerald-Boldin; they make anybody under center immeasurably better because of their abilities. Will he get traded? Only if Arizona doesn't want to contend for the Super Bowl.
As far as Green Bay, I think they're in prime position to draft a player that fills a major need. B.J. Raji, Brian Orakpo, or one of the fearsome foursome of offensive tackles (J. Smith, Monroe, Oher, or A. Smith) would be great picks. As long as one of them slides down to number 9, Thompson will be in great position to make a key addition.
Don't count out any possible trades, though. The ninth pick could be a valuable commodity, especially if someone wants to jump up and snatch a falling prospect (like Mark Sanchez or Michael Crabtree).
3:14 PM - From ESPN.com's Sal Paolantonio:
Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum arrived at the team's draft headquarters a little before noon Saturday and began looking at his options with the 17th pick in Round 1. Tannenbaum said the Jets would like to move up in the first round -- the first time he's admitted that publicly. He said the team is not fixated on drafting quarterback Mark Sanchez. But it's clear that the Jets have a genuine interest if Sanchez drops within trading range, which would be approximately at pick No. 8.
As we're all aware, Green Bay has the 9th pick, and Tannenbaum and Thompson have traded before.
I'm not saying anything will or should happen - dropping from 9 to 17 is quite a fall - but it'll be interesting to see if the Jets have a decent deal to offer, considering we already have their third round pick.
3:34 PM - Special thanks go out to GoGregGo for keying in on an important detail I couldn't verify myself:
According to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, the number one player on the Packer’s draft board is…drumroll please… Michael Crabtree?
Ok, I’m a believer in the "best-player-available" strategy, but doesn’t that seem to be taking that philosophy to the extreme?
Let's get one thing straight: Michael Crabtree has the skills to succeed in the NFL. He's a reliable route runner, has solid hands, and is tough after the catch.
If he's available at number nine, and the Packers have him rated as the best player on their draft board, then you can say that Crabtree is the "best player available".
Should they take him? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Reciever is one of the positions where our third stringer could be a starter on another team. Adding a player like Crabtree would be counterproductive when you look at the problems facing the offensive line and the defensive front seven.
3:45 PM - Green and Bold brings up an interesting issue:
we should take an HB fairly high, 3rd, maybe even 2nd round.
Guy like Coffee, McCoy…make our backfield more competitive.
I'm not so sure about this. Ryan Grant, as unimpressive as he was last year, ran for 1,200+ yards. Brandon Jackson was effective but never got enough opportunities. DeShawn Wynn has tons of ability that would translate well to on-field success if he could keep out of the trainer's room.
I honestly think that the combination of Grant's holdout and subsequent hamstring injury, the shuffling of the offensive guards, and the decline of both Taushcer and Clifton all added up to the lack of success running the ball. The key to improving the ground game lies with bringing in new OT's, not new RB's.
4:00 PM - We're finally done with the Nuggets-Hornets game, and ESPN has moved the feed to Radio Music City Hall.
Is it just me, or does the auditorium look like NASA control center with a fancy podium up front?
4:03 PM - Roger Goodell is so much less eloquent than his predecessor, Paul Tagliabue.
4:04 PM - Wow. That's a lotof boos for Matthew Stafford. I mean, a LOT. Why the animosity towards the first overall pick, especially in NYC?
4:06 PM - Erin Andrews(-Titus) starts off with a great question: "The Lions haven't had a Pro Bowl quarterback since 1971. What kind of pressure does that put on you?"
It's almost sad to think that a team has gone that long without a decent QB. We really are spoiled to have gone from Favre to Rodgers.
4:08 PM - bleedbluegold03 gets his first mention on the liveblog:
I would love the idea of trading down to Washington @13 and getting a 3rd to package later.
We could still get a player in the range of Michael Oher, OT, Ole Miss, Everette Brown, DE/OLB, Florida State, or a USC linebacker.
If we would use two 3rds to push into the late first round I think we could grab another defensive weapon giving us two starters in a few years.
If Washington's willing to bite on that deal AND Green Bay is in position to draft someone like Oher or Brown, that would certainly be an advantageous position.
4:14 PM - Brandon doesn't like the waiting:
Taking the whole 10 minutes. Like they don’t know what they are going to do.
Turns out that Brandon is right: Jason Smith is the pick. Kind of obvious, since they dropped Orlando Pace a few weeks ago and have a huge hole at LT. Mel Kiper is crying about how Mark Sanchez would have been an excellent pickup because he would get a chance to develop while Marc Bulger gets pounded for the next year or two.
In any case, cross off one of the top offensive tackles from your list. Now everything is much less certain; Kansas City could go a few different directions, each of which will have a ripple effect on the rest of the first round.
4:20 PM - Go figure, Herm Edwards wants the Chiefs to trade down. He's been gone from the team for a few months, and he still wants to botch the franchise.
/we can build on this!
4:23 PM - Steve Young is yelling about how some guys don't love football. Looks like his concussions really have taken their toll.
Also, Tyson Jackson is the pick for Kansas City. A somewhat surprising move, considering Aaron Curry is one of the best prospects available. However, Jackson is a player whose stock was steadily rising in the week leading up to the draft, and he's probably the best defensive end in the draft. Too bad for Green Bay, he would have been an excellent consolation pick if the other players on Thompson's draft board weren't available.
4:29 PM - Michael Smith from SportsCenter's studios just talked about how B.J. Raji won't have to wait long before learning where he'll play. He specifically noted both Cleveland and Green Bay as likely destinations. After Seattle picks, Cleveland will have to decide if they want the big DT or not.
4:31 PM - Cleveland is probably bummed that Seattle didn't decide to go after Mark Sanchez. Aaron Curry is a bonafide star-in-waiting, and he'll likely do well in Seattle. I sure hope that Colin Cole can keep offensive linemen away from Curry, otherwise Curry will be as gloomy as Seattle's weather.
Now we find out if the aforementioned rumors regarding Cleveland are true or not. If you're Phil Savage, who's a better leader for your offense: Quinn or Sanchez? If it's the latter, where do you go with the former?
4:38 PM - The Jets traded with Cleveland, and Mark Sanchez is on his cell phone. This can only mean one thing.
4:39 PM - Is that the sound...of Jets fans...cheering? In their defense, Sanchez has a lot more characteristics that point to success in the NFL when compared to Matthew Stafford, and after the failed Favre experiment, Gang Green desperately needs a QB to compete in the AFC East.
However, the Jets had to give up a lot to move up to number five. They certainly gave up their first rounder (17th overall), they didn't have a third rounder (that belongs to us), so what's left? Is Mark Sanchez worth having no more picks until round 4 or 5? (UPDATE: The Jets gave up their first AND second round pick, leaving them without a pick until the 4th(!) round, and included three players in the deal: DE Kenyon Coleman, QB Brett Ratliff, and DB Abram Elam) It's a risk, but my gut says it's a good one.
Now the Bengals get their chance. While everyone's been saying that Andre Smith is a likely pick, Eugene Monroe is still on the board. Will they go for one of these tackles, or will they look elsewhere?
4:50 PM - Cincinnatti takes Andre Smith, and your liveblog host sheds a lard-filled tear.
Say what you want about his issues, but when Andre Smith is on the field, the man is a b-e-a-s-t BEAST! What surprises me is that Eugene Monroe is still available; I've seen him go as high as three to Kansas City. Could Green Bay end up with him, providing he's ranked higher than Raji and/or Orakpo (if they're available, of course).
So the Bengals get a player with character issues. Marvin Lewis is certainly turning that team in a better direction.
4:53 PM - This pick by Oakland is really going to determine how Green Bay approaches their own pick. Oakland needs OT help, and should probably consider Eugene Monroe. However, Crabtree and Maclin are big-time WR's, and Al Davis loves him some WR's.
4:54 PM - And Oakland takes...Darrius Heyward-Bey?
...
Chris Berman just pointed out that Heyward-Bey is the fastest reciever in the draft.
Well, that explains everything.
4:57 PM - Okay, I think I've finally returned to reality after going on Al Davis' Guatemalan-Insanity-Pepper-fueled-crazy-rocket ride.
Jacksonville also has WR needs, but they signed Torry Holt a few days ago. There's no reason the Jags don't take B.J. Raji, but Crabtree might be the guy here.
After all, Thompson has him as the highest-rated player on his board (allegedly). Could Jacksonville share that sentiment?
...Jesus, I hope so...
5:03 PM - Jacksonville takes Eugene Monroe. Too bad, because he would have been an excellent fit in Green Bay.
Now, everyone get nervous. Michael Crabtree, who has the makings of a great player, is still available. Ted Thompson considers Crabtree the best player on the board. Will Crabtree trump the needs that could be filled by Raji, Orakpo, Oher, or Brown?
5:07 PM - Raji is on the phone. Repeat, Raji is on the phone.
5:10 PM - Everyone's acting like B.J. Raji is the pick. What's interesting, though, is that Kiper says that teams considered that Raji could play 3-4 end because of his athletic ability. Perhaps he could take Justin Harrell's spot at end?
5:11 PM - The last time everyone on the ESPN stage agreed that a player would be a good pick for Green Bay? Aaron Rodgers. Steve Young compared a potential Raji pickup to Gilbert Brown.
5:13 PM - Well, it's over. The last few months of spirited debate and speculation has come to this.
Green Bay takes DT B.J. Raji.
And the crowd goes wild!
5:15 PM - Brandon's analysis of the pick from the comments section:
The run defense killed them last season. There’s just no down side to taking the best guy at stopping the run available in the draft. Fixing the run defense had to be the priority. I was fine with someone else at No. 9 if the run defense was addressed later, but Thompson apparently thought now was the time.
My expert rebuttal: yeah...
Honestly, this guy is probably going to help the defensive line more than we thought possible. I liked the idea of Orakpo at LB, but I seriously doubt his ability to help fix the Pack's biggest problem: stopping the interior run.
5:19 PM - San Francisco stops Crabtree's free fall by taking him at number 10.
Let me just point out one thing: Everyone's comparing him to Jerry Rice, and Crabtree will likely contact the HOFer at some point. But I've got a different angle. By going to the 49ers, Crabtree gets to learn from Isaac Bruce. I don't think anyone will remember how important that was when, in three years, Crabtree is anointed one of the top-5 recievers in the league.
Next up: Buffalo.
5:25 PM - Buffalo decides to shore up their void of pass rushers on defense by taking Aaron Maybin.
My thoughts on the subject? According to Buffalo, the same team that signed T.O, Aaron Maybin is better than Brian Orakpo...something doesn't seem right.
Now Kyle Orton's new team, who are also shifting to a 3-4 defense, get the pick. Orakpo projects as an outstanding 3-4 OLB that can rush the passer and get sacks. You would think that the Broncos have to take him here...right?
5:29 PM - Wrong. Denver takes Knowshon Moreno. Do they not care that their defense sucks?
5:31 PM - Do you think they even had to think about it? Washington jumps on Orakpo like a 12-year-old wannabe-gangster from Suburbia on the new Asher Roth CD. But unlike the kid with the baggy shorts and the askew baseball cap, Washington will not be disappointed.
5:38 PM - New Orleans takes the player all the draftniks were predicting Green Bay would take early on: Malcom Jenkins. He's quite the playmaker, and he knows the game well. Good for the Saints.
5:43 PM - Houston takes their sweet time to take Brian Cushing. Cushing is probably the most NFL-ready of the three USC LB's, and will find a role in Houston's historically awful but recently improving defense.
5:48 PM - The Chargers are much better than their draft position suggests. Wanna know why they went 8-8? Two reasons, and only two.
- LaDanian Tomlinson is starting to decline.
- Shawne Merriman had microfracture surgery.
I mean, the fact that they play in the AFC West is enough to detract from any argument. But I honestly think that whoever they get won't be the main reason for improvement; Merriman's return from injury will take care of that by itself.
5:50 PM - Larry English is the pick for San Diego. He'll find a role in the 3-4 defense that the Chargers run.
Now Cleveland finally gets to pick, after swiping the Jets' second rounder. Odd, though, that they were willing to drop down so far in the draft.
5:57 PM - Is Thompson working for the Browns now? Cleveland really doesn't want to make a pick. Tampa Bay is on the clock, and Cleveland moves back to the 19th spot. This is the second time they've traded down in the first round, and they picked up a sixth rounder. Woot.
6:00 PM - Okay. A quick reminder, Buccaneers fans: Jon Gruden is gone from Tampa Bay.
YOU DON'T NEED TO HOARDE QUARTERBACKS ON YOUR ROSTER ANYMORE.
Josh Freeman is a big ol' reach at 17, especially after Tampa signed Byron Leftwich. They really didn't want to take someone who could actually, you know, help them?
6:04 PM - ESPN has been showing that the Bronco's pick is in for about five minutes now. Attention Josh Freeman's family: get off the stage!
Oh, by the way, Robert Ayers is the pick. Bravo, Denver, you took a player who might be able to help fix your awful defense.
Now the Browns are on the clock. Again. Will Cleveland trade down even further?
6:10 PM - Why, yes, yes they will. The Browns have traded the 19th pick to Philadelphia, dropping Cleveland back behind Detroit at 21. In return, Cleveland gets a three-month supply of Philly cheesesteaks.
Meanwhile, Philly takes Jeremy Maclin, allowing Andy Reid to further gorge himself on calling pass plays. You gotta think that Chris Wells might have been a better pick; sooner or later, Brian Westbrook is gonna actually stop producing.
6:19 PM - Detroit's main result from fleecing of the Cowboys out of their first round pick? Brandon Pettigrew. Best TE in the draft? Yes. Best option at pick 20? Probably not.
I agree with Steve Young on this one. Detroit should have taken a tackle to help protect Matthew Stafford. But, the rebuilding process is a long one, and Detroit does still have the 33rd overall pick to address their O-line needs. Pettigrew will probably still be there when Detroit eventually becomes a contender again, and gives the Lions' offense a solid option if anyone figures out how to cover Megatron.
Okay, now Cleveland is gonna make a pick.
6:24 PM - And that pick is Alex Mack. We've seen how much a good center can help a team offensively. I don't know a lot about Mack as a player, but considering the picks Cleveland picked up over the course of the first round, I like what Cleveland did here today.
6:25 PM - Minnesota is on the clock...and off the clock already by taking Percy Harvin.
Wait for it...
Wait for it......
BAHAHAHAHA
Congratulations, Minnesota, you just took a reciever that projects to be just barely better than Troy Williamson. Even Kenny Britt would be a better fit here. Just because Harvin is fast doesn't mean he's going to be a good fit. Too many red flags on this guy.
I love it.
6:32 PM - New England trades back from the 23rd pick, allowing Baltimore to swoop in and pick up MIchael Oher.
Dammit.
In all fairness, it was ridiculous to think that Oher could fall all the way out of the first round. He's too good. And the Ravens have been trying to replace Jonathon Ogden for years now.
Next up: Hot-lanta.
6:40 PM - And the Falcons go with Peria Jerry. I am very ho-hum about this pick; after B.J. Raji, defensive tackle was super thin.
What've you got for us, Miami?
6:45 PM - Vontae Davis is celebrating wildly about being picked with the 25th selection. My question is this: is he excited to play for the Dolphins, where he's under the watch of Bill Parcells? Or is he excited to work in Miami during the fall and winter?
6:52 PM - And Green Bay has traded with New England, getting them back into the first round! What?!
Who could the Packers be targeting at the 26th pick?
6:53 PM - And just like that, Green Bay picks up USC's Clay Matthews. Matthew's will likely compete for an outside linebacker role, perhaps pushing A.J. Hawk to the inside. I've been trying to find details on this trade, but none are available yet.
6:57 PM - ESPN is doing a nice little tribute to members of the military on the stage before Indianapolis gets their pick. A nice little reminder about what's really important, while we're all obsessing over a glorified gym class team picking. We salute you.
6:59 PM - Indianapolis ends up with RB Donald Brown. Does Joseph Addai need that sort of help?
7:03 PM - Buffalo takes C Eric Wood. Like with my analysis of Alex Mack, there's a lot a good center can do to improve a struggling offense.
7:08 PM - The Giants begin the search for Cheddar Plax's replacement by drafting Hakeem Nicks. Nicks is a physical reciever in the mold of Burress, but I doubt he'll ever come close to the sheer volume of production that Plaxico can offer.
7:16 PM - Tennessee takes Rutgers' Kenny Britt. Having seen Britt play in person, allow me to just say that the Titans are still very far away from finding the number one reciever that has eluded them for so very long.
7:17 PM - Thanks to toledomudhen for being the first to find the Packers-Patriots trade details.
Patriots receive:
" 2009 second-round pick (No. 41)
" 2009 third-round pick (No. 73)
" 2009 third-round pick (No. 83)Packers receive:
" 2009 first-round pick (No. 26)
" 2009 fifth-round pick (No. 162)
Wow. Is a second and two thirds really worth moving up from 41 to 26 to take a linebacker whom many have criticized as being a system player?
Thompson must really like Matthews as a player, because now Green Bay doesn't have a pick until the fourth round. This feels...wow. Too much.
7:22 PM - And the end of the Edgerrin James era is nigh. The Cardinals pick up Chris 'Beanie' Wells to try to vitalize their underwhelming ground game.
7:30 PM - The Super Bowl champion Steelers go with Ziggy Hood to cap off the first round.
7:32 PM - Kicking off the second round, Detroit takes safety Louis Delmas. Who?
7:33 PM - I've been crunching some numbers to see how well the Clay Matthews trade works out for Green Bay. For those who aren't familiar, I made a big deal about this draft chart and how Thompson almost always gets more than he gives out in trades involving draft picks.
So what's the value for this trade?
Packers give: picks 41 (490 pts), 73 (225 pts), and 83 (175 pts) (890 total points)
Packers recieve: picks 26 (700 pts) and 162 (27.6 pts) (727.6 total points)
Net total: -162.4 points --- 81.7 % of original value
So Thompson did at least keep at least 75% of his original picks' value, which is the benchmark for GMs trading up in the draft. But considering the fourth round pick (104th overall) would have made the value almost dead even, I really wonder why Thompson allowed New England to get both of Green Bay's third round picks.
This trade still floors me. Either Clay Matthews is so good that we can wait to address the offensive tackle issues, or Bill Belicheck has some sort of mind control over Thompson that forced a momentary lapse in judgement.
7:42 PM - Well, Green Bay is, for the moment, done for today. I understand giving up the second round pick to get back into the first round, but I don't think I'll ever get losing both the 73rd and 83rd picks.
I'll keep watching the draft, and I'll give updates on important division news, or if I see something that's just too funny to ignore. Otherwise, I thank everyone for their input, and we'll see you around.
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is anyone else
thinking that Michael Oher is the perfect player for the packers to trade down for?
by Dave Z on Apr 25, 2009 11:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I want Orakpo
Sorry I just think he fits.. B.J. raji would be nice as well… Just read on ESPN that the Jets might try and trade up in the draft today..
Greg Jennings.. Future All Pro
by mkcubs21 on Apr 25, 2009 12:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
One other thing...
Detroit way over paid for Stafford.. Not going to be that great (my opinion). Way to much money..
Greg Jennings.. Future All Pro
by mkcubs21 on Apr 25, 2009 12:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey Mitchell...
you think Boldin gets dealt today? What do you think the Packers do?
Greg Jennings.. Future All Pro
by mkcubs21 on Apr 25, 2009 1:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mangina
is a fool. Brady Quinn is the greatest QB in the world. Sanchez will fail.
"stay (green and) gold"
by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 2:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I cannot tell
if you’re being serious.
Although “Mangina” is a pretty great moniker.
"I'm so clean, cats think I sip Ajax."
by Mitchell_M on Apr 25, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh i am deadly serious
"stay (green and) gold"
by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure Sanchez will fail..
but Brady hasn’t shown that he is going to fail either. unless the idea is to sell high but not really sure how much they would get for Quinn.
Greg Jennings.. Future All Pro
by mkcubs21 on Apr 25, 2009 2:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
On McShays most recent Mock Draft (posted at 12:15)
he had the Packers taking Orakpo and then sanchez falling all the way to 13. I think this is going to be an interesting top 10
Greg Jennings.. Future All Pro
by mkcubs21 on Apr 25, 2009 2:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree..
Thompson has been known to make a trade or two to get lower but aquire more picks. I’m just not sure its in the best interest to pass up on what will be available to #9. Again I’m all for Orakpo or Raji depending on who is there.
I also don’t think you trade Boldin. Just wondering on someone elses opinion lol.
Greg Jennings.. Future All Pro
by mkcubs21 on Apr 25, 2009 2:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My edit feature isn't working properly
so the draft updates might be somewhat problematic.
Bear with me.
"I'm so clean, cats think I sip Ajax."
by Mitchell_M on Apr 25, 2009 2:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
take your time..
i think there are only a few of us here and i’m not going to get to worked up lol
Greg Jennings.. Future All Pro
by mkcubs21 on Apr 25, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we should be back in business
your patience is appreciated
"I'm so clean, cats think I sip Ajax."
by Mitchell_M on Apr 25, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Top of the draft board
According to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, the number one player on the Packer’s draft board is…drumroll please… Michael Crabtree?
Ok, I’m a believer in the “best-player-available” strategy, but doesn’t that seem to be taking that philosophy to the extreme?
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 2:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll be pissed.
if they take Crabtree. I know Thompson has a fetish with WR but we don’t need one right now. With Jennings turning into a #1 and having Driver being a perfect 1b we are content.
Greg Jennings.. Future All Pro
by mkcubs21 on Apr 25, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yah..
My first reaction to the thought of Crabtree is NO WAY.
But think about it.
Donald Driver is getting old, and it may be reasonable to say that this could be his last year in GB.
Jordy Nelson is solid, but definitely doesn’t have the requisite skill-set to be an impact-ful #1 wide out in the league.
James Jones has had moments of brilliance, but he’s shown injuries and consistency can be a problem.
So yes, while I’d like to see us address defense or OT at pick 9, taking Crabtree, who is probably the best player in this draft, could pay dividends in the future
"stay (green and) gold"
by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But is Crabtree really a number 1?
If I’m drafting a WR in the top ten, I want a Larry Fitzgerald/Randy Moss/Terrell Owens/Calvin Johnson type who is going to command a double team every time on the field, and Crabtree is not that kind of guy.
I get that Driver is getting older, but Jennings is basically the number one right now anyways, I don’t see any reason that Nelson or Jones couldn’t be a great number 2.
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he is..
He may not have the 6’4 frame or the 4.3 speed but he knows how to play the game and he absolutely terrorized the Big 12 for 2 years. He is a big time player.
But again, I’d prefer we didn’t take him…but if we do, I won’t be bawling in my sleep.
"stay (green and) gold"
by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But...
He constantly played in 5 wide-receiver sets with other good wide receivers, so college teams couldn’t constantly double team him. Don’t get me wrong, I think he will be a productive receiver in the NFL, I just don’t think he is worth a top of the first round pick.
Also I’m not totally on board with his attitude, which seems rather Chad “Can’t Speak Spanish” Ocho-Cinco like to me.
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...
Well I think there is a reason he’s atop TT’s board to begin with…
But I’m going to drop it, because, just like, I’d rather see Orakpo or Raji playing in the Green and Gold.
"stay (green and) gold"
by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you prefer
Raji or Orakpo if both were available?
I’d go Raji personally. I don’t think there are many guys like him that can make plays at NT.
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
I just can’t wrap my head around the Packers taking Crabtree over any of the following:
B. J. Raji, Brian Orakpo, Andre Smith, Eugene Monroe, Aaron Maybin, Michael Oher, or Jason Smith.
I’m sure Thompson wants another wide out, but he can get one in the third round, we need DL and OL help first.
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you..
You take a lineman or a dl first pick.. Worry about the WR till later on.
Greg Jennings.. Future All Pro
by mkcubs21 on Apr 25, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really think
we should take an HB fairly high, 3rd, maybe even 2nd round.
Guy like Coffee, McCoy…make our backfield more competitive.
What are ya’ll’s thoughts on the matter.
"stay (green and) gold"
by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 2:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Could not agree with you more Mitchell
Right down to our number 3 being able to start on most teams. I actually posted something similar on a different website. I think you could argue that our current number 5 (Martin) could start for about a quarter of the teams out there.
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 2:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
From Mocking The Draft
Here’s their latest. It looks like B.J. Raji might go to Cleveland at No. 5, and Andre Smith No. 6 to Cincinnati (I’ve read about the Bengals interest in Smith for a while). Maybe Crabtree (I’ve been a fan of his for a while) or Orakpo. If Raji, Smith, and Crabtree are all gone, trading down might start looking really good to me. Maybe grabbing Mississippi DT Peria Jerry a few picks later.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 3:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Trading down
Do you still think we should trade down if Raji, Smith, and Crabtree are gone but Orakpo is still available?
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts on the draft
I feel that if Sanchez does fall to us and if BJ Raji or someone comparable is not there Ted will trade down to possibly the 17 for the Jets but would ask a very high price.
I think its not out of consideration to trade down into the early teens in the hopes of landing another 3rd (or maybe 2nd) and being able to package up a 2nd and a 3rd or possibly 2 3rds to get back in at the end of the first round if there is a player there that we would want
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by bleedbluegold03 on Apr 25, 2009 3:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
To continue
To continue with my idea I would love the idea of trading down to Washington @13 and getting a 3rd to package later.
We could still get a player in the range of Michael Oher, OT, Ole Miss, Everette Brown, DE/OLB, Florida State, or a USC linebacker.
If we would use two 3rds to push into the late first round I think we could grab another defensive weapon giving us two starters in a few years,
what do you guys think?
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by bleedbluegold03 on Apr 25, 2009 3:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Trading
I like the idea of trading down to get Oher or Brown, but only if Raji and Orakpo are gone.
Getting another second or third rounder would really help with filling up our front seven, assuming Thompson can keep his receiver fetish to himself.
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
if we trade down and then package a couple 3rds we could potentially end up with a 13ish and late 20, allowing us to pick up an OT, LB, or DE tho it would appear its Raji or bust for first round talent @ the DT position
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by bleedbluegold03 on Apr 25, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on Raji
I don’t think there’s another DT in this draft who can play NT in the 3-4
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i haven't even had time
to pay attention to what’s going on, other than looking at the Nebraska players.
Stafford went first to the lions? When do the Packers pick?
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by Jon Johnston on Apr 25, 2009 3:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
not till around 430 or 5
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by bleedbluegold03 on Apr 25, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Stafford
So he was announced, and ESPN showed that he was 2nd team SEC last season. It doesn’t seem right taking a guy 1st overall who wasn’t even the best at his position in his college conference.
The 1st team SEC QB last season was Tim Tebow, who isn’t supposed to be a pro prospect, but I bet he would have a better NFL career if given a chance.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 3:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget
everyone treats Tim Tebow like Michael Jordan, Barack Obama, and the Second Coming…all rolled into one.
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by Mitchell_M on Apr 25, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't know about that
the college game has changed so much with the spread offense. quarterback has to be harder than ever to find a decent guy. or more likely, to get your guess correct. :)
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by Jon Johnston on Apr 25, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon Rams!
Taking the whole 10 minutes. Like they don’t know what they are going to do.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 3:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
they're the
Rams. They really really really need attention. This may be it for the year.
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by Jon Johnston on Apr 25, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Smith
And they end up taking the guy they’ve been expected to take for the last two months.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watching the commish get hugged
Goodell’s a decent size. He isn’t dwarfed by Smith as he gets a hug. I prefer the NBA draft where David Stern comes up to the guy’s elbow.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 3:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
especially two years ago
when Stern and Greg Oden discussed their AARP memberships.
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by Mitchell_M on Apr 25, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
KC
Curry next? they have a ton of money at LB already i dont know if they will pay even more at that position. DT Jackson?
by bizzle4 on Apr 25, 2009 3:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think they have to go Curry
They need a good young LB. I just can’t see Jackson, who until yesterday was mid-first round, going #3. I think the Chiefs should trade back.
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its not been rumored but...
They really should draft an offensive lineman. There are some great ones available and rebuilding that offense around (and protecting) new QB Matt Cassel should be their priority.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
jackson...
a big reach for him i think
by bizzle4 on Apr 25, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyson Jackson
He lept up to KC at No. 3 a couple days ago when Kiper put him there in his mock draft. Apparently Kiper’s sources are pretty good.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crazy
And they take Jackson. I hadn’t even heard his name until a few days ago, granted I was looking only at top 10 or 12 guys, but still.
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DAMN IT
Kiper was right! I hate it when Kiper is right.
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by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
where the heck
is Tyson Jackson from – college?
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by Jon Johnston on Apr 25, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jackson is nothing more than a 3rd down back. He has continued to not take advantage of the opportunities presented him.
I love Grant, but after last year’s lackluster performance, I think we need a competent 2nd option. Hamstring injuries and the like are to be expected in the NFL. We should have a contingency plan in the ready.
I think how high we take an HB is dependent upon how TT views Lumpkin and Wynn.
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by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 3:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Running back
I was reading up above about running backs. I don’t want Beanie Wells at No. 9, but I wouldn’t mind seeing them draft some Ryan Grant competition somewhere in the draft. Wells in the 2nd round, but he won’t fall that far, would be something to consider. Grant was a big disappointment last season.
But I don’t think McCoy. I think McCarthy sees Brandon Jackson as a change of pace, never someone he would want long-term as a starter. Both of those guys are smaller backs, under or near 6’0". Green and Bold is right; only Lumpkin and Wynn are the only big backs who could possible compete with Grant. That’s an unimpressive trio. Adding another big back option (over 6’1", over 220 lbs.) would be a good idea.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 3:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jackson
When given the carries, Jackson looked great last year. He wasn’t drafted in the second round for no reason.
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the general feeling
about Jackson from Husker fans is that he should have stayed in college another year, but his family was pretty darned poor.
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by Jon Johnston on Apr 25, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shonn Green?
Big but slow. I think we should for some speed.
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by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hes not to slow..
he’ll be good i think (i’ll admit i’m a hawk fan so i’m baised)
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by mkcubs21 on Apr 25, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good for Seattle.
Sanchez would’ve been a stupid pick.
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by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 3:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Curry
That’s a ton of money in Seattle’s linebacking corps
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 3:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
IMO
Better than paying Sanchez a ton of money to sit on the bench for 2+ years and hope he is able to dethrone Hasselbeck.
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by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
julian peterson
plays for the lions now
by Dave Z on Apr 25, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Curry
I guess I’m down on him since A.J. Hawk hasn’t exactly played like a top 5 pick for the Packers. Hawk’s been good at times, but he did little last season. I see Curry as the same type of player who plays in the middle, sometimes racks up a bunch of tackles, but not a big playmaker.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 3:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Raji
If Raji gets past Cleveland at No.5, he’ll probably still be available at No. 9 for the Packers.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 3:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I could see either
The Raiders or Jacksonville taking him first.
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hope so!!!
then we can get Orakpo!!!!!
by bizzle4 on Apr 25, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They could use him
But neither has been rumored to pick Raji either. I can’t see Al Davis passing up Michael Crabtree for all the wrong reasons.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
prediction #1
jets trade up to get sanchez now that Seattle let him go
by Dave Z on Apr 25, 2009 3:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Only 1 of the 4 tackles off the board...
Mitchell, looks like the Packers could end up with Andre Smith.
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by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 3:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Of the tackles
I’d prefer them in this order: Monroe, Oher, Smith. Smith just scares me with his preparation for the draft process.
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm for trading down!!
Let’s stockpile the picks…drafting is such a crapshoot…let’s get the quantity and hope we hit the bullseye!
by PackFaninFL on Apr 25, 2009 3:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wow
very mixed emotions from the jets fans
by bizzle4 on Apr 25, 2009 3:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah how interesting
that fans could have different opinions :)
by Dave Z on Apr 25, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha yeah it was a stupid comment
but i thought they would all be happy since they dont have a QB right now
by bizzle4 on Apr 25, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez
His rep is that he parties like Matt Leinert, and he’s a bit of an ass. I believe the night life is pretty good in NY, and the NY media is pretty hard on players. What could possible go wrong?
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 3:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mitchell can't watch
The Bengals might take Andre Smith next.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 3:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it happened..
well it looks like it will be Orakpo or Raji (both of which I like)
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by mkcubs21 on Apr 25, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too much
And why did they have to move up to No. 5 anyway? No one was interested in Sanchez until 49ers at No. 10. Unless someone else was thinking of moving up.
And they’ve given up their top three picks this year for last year’s and next year’s QB (Favre for the 3rd, 1st and 2nd for Sanchez).
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and 3 players
granted the might not be too good but thats still A LOT!
by bizzle4 on Apr 25, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry mitchell.
it’ll work out alright tho..
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by mkcubs21 on Apr 25, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Monroe
I’d prefer Monroe for the Packers over Smith anyways
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Bengals want you...
So Smith has a melt down at the NFL combine and we all start to wonder if he’s worth a top 10 pick. If the Bengals draft a player, does that confirm that they are an future NFL headcase?
And my apologizes to all the players currently on the Bengals roster who haven’t been arrested, suspended, or legally changed their last name to a number.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ORAKPO OR RAJI BABY!
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by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 3:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm seriously concerned
About us taking Crabtree. Al Davis is insane and probably likes Maclin better, and I don’t know that Jacksonville takes him either.
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 3:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont think TT
is that dumb to take a WR at #9 with the depth we have there and holes we have every where else…
by bizzle4 on Apr 25, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And...
Davis also apparently likes Darius Heyward-Bay
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drafting Crabtree
He can’t play on the defensive line, but his talent is real. Drafting Crabs isn’t a bad thing, but it might not be the best thing. I’m just bracing you for it because the last prospect Greg Bedard discussed at JSOnline.com was Crabtree, so maybe he knows something we don’t know.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow..
didn’t see that one happening..
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by mkcubs21 on Apr 25, 2009 3:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
although..
Al Davis loves fast guys… so i guess i can see it but Im shocked the Raiders skipped on Crabtree
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by mkcubs21 on Apr 25, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what?
LOL…I guess Al Davis is senile!
by PackFaninFL on Apr 25, 2009 3:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
sorry about the senile comment...
..but wow….over M. Crabtree?
by PackFaninFL on Apr 25, 2009 3:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
do the Jags
catch the Crabs now? that would put some big thinking on TT with Raji and Orakpo…
by bizzle4 on Apr 25, 2009 3:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the Jags
go Crabtree here…he’s definitely best available.
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by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy hell...
Packers are going to have basically anything they want…
OT, DT, or OLB……. Crabtree…..
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by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 4:00 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
i'm really hoping that Crabtree is gone..
but i’m really scared we might get him.. I want Orakpo or Raji..
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by mkcubs21 on Apr 25, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Point
TT must be drooling right now.
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know i am lol
pick of the litter right now..
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by mkcubs21 on Apr 25, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright what does everyone think now??
we’re only 2 picks away with a lot of big time guys left?? I want Orakpo or Raji..
ONe thing here if 2 or 3 guys that Thompson has ranked high are avaiable do you think he trades down a few spots and gets his guy there?? just a thought..
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by mkcubs21 on Apr 25, 2009 4:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
there’s anyone close enough to us that would want to trade up, because they probably feel the same way we do.
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think if Crabtree's there for us
We’re gonna end up trading down a bit. I’ll be happy if it’s to anywhere before 15..
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by Scott Schroeder on Apr 25, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nope
Crabtree to Packers. Put it on the board.
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't need him
I love him. But we have to build on the 3/4 system.
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by Scott Schroeder on Apr 25, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Monroe is on the phone and smiling
Crabtree will be there at 9…the question is…do we take him
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by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 4:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I say trade.
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by Scott Schroeder on Apr 25, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yah
But what team could we trade him to and still be in position to take Orakpo/Raji/Oher
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by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends
I think Crabtree, if Thompson is looking to the future. But if he’s looking at his draft board and there isn’t another offensive lineman, defensive lineman, outside linebacker he thinks that can start right now other then whichever guy he’s looking at right now, then he passes on Crabtree to fill a current need.
On ESPN; looks like their talking to Raji.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
RAJI!!!!!!!
"stay (green and) gold"
by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 4:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
RAJI!!!!!!!
"stay (green and) gold"
by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 4:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
RAJI!!!!!!!
"stay (green and) gold"
by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 4:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
btw...
it’s Raji
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by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 4:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
damn looks like Raji...
BOOOO I wanted Orakpo
by bizzle4 on Apr 25, 2009 4:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank goodness
Wanted Raji for about 2 months now!!!
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Raji
On ESPN right now, he’s got his Packer yellow shirt on. Good move.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 4:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Raji..
i like it… i wanted orakpo but i like this pick if its him..
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by mkcubs21 on Apr 25, 2009 4:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Same
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by Scott Schroeder on Apr 25, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
same here....
i wanted orakpo but this was a great pick.. I liked him the whole time too.
Greg Jennings.. Future All Pro
by mkcubs21 on Apr 25, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Run defense
The run defense killed them last season. There’s just no down side to taking the best guy at stopping the run available in the draft. Fixing the run defense had to be the priority. I was fine with someone else at No. 9 if the run defense was addressed later, but Thompson apparently thought now was the time.
And apparently it’s pronounced Ra-gee.
Nice shots ESPN of Orakpo and Crabtree sitting in the attendance, wondering what went wrong.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 4:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Alright, pick #2.
Who do we take in the 2nd round? Throw some names out.
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by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 4:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
IMO
We go with either a rush linebacker or an offensive tackle. Of course with TT, it could be a receiver too
Names I like:
Michael Johnson
Max Unger
Kenny Britt
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
It should be an OT or OLB. We’ll have to wait and see what’s available at OT. Maybe Michael Johnson to play outside LB, or maybe Cincinnati DE/OLB Connor Barwin. Either of them should be available at No. 41.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
reflection
I think that if you told me that we landed Raji before the draft I wouldve been really happy with the pick but now in reflection i feel as if we couldve traded down and still gotten Raji or Orakpo a few later and end up with another 3rd or 4th to trade up into the first and get a LB at the end.
especially with Crabtree all but gone to SF we had a good position and did not utilize it
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by bleedbluegold03 on Apr 25, 2009 4:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
what makes you feel like we couldve traded down. how do you know sf won’t take orakpo themselves?
by Dave Z on Apr 25, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But who would have traded with us and still would've allowed us to get Orakpo or Raji?
Not the Bills and not the Broncos.
It would’ve been nice to trade and get some more picks, but I think we had to take the sure thing.
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by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree with you
Who would have been willing to give up a pick? I think maybe Washington, but I doubt it.
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if they would've
We would’ve missed out on Orakpo and Raji and maybe even Oher.
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by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
looking towards the next pic
does anyone see us packaging up our second and a third maybe to get a USC OLB?
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by bleedbluegold03 on Apr 25, 2009 4:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't be opposed
Let’s see what happens.
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by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw
Go Irish
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by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TT?
I don’t see TT moving up to get a linebacker. I can only really see two positions he would do that for, a DE/OLB hybrid, or a WR.
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yah
I think that’s what he meant by LB…Clay Matthews Jr at OLB
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by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don’t see Clay Matthews as a rush LB, and that’s what we could really use.
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybin over Orakpo? interesting
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by bleedbluegold03 on Apr 25, 2009 4:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I vote
We package all of our picks now, and draft Orakpo. Not really, but getting both of those guys would be insane.
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Redskins
Just got a gift in Orakpo
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen that a lot lately
For whatever reason, Maybin’s been rising and Orakpo has been falling. I don’t agree with that, as Mel Kiper just said, Maybin is a one year wonder, but teams fall in love with combine/pro day numbers.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moreno....wow
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by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 4:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Moreno
I’m a fan. Think Brian Westbrook v.2.0. And the running back position was a fiasco in Denver last season with all the injuries. They need a lot of defensive help, Denver needs a lot of help period, but upgrading their offense after the Jay Cutler trade should be their top priority.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oher
Move up to get him if he falls to around 20?
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 4:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If we would trade up
Id go for Cushing or Matthews
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by bleedbluegold03 on Apr 25, 2009 4:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yah
Matthews would be nice
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by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a fan
Cushing and Matthews seem like future middle linebackers. Do they play inside and Barnett or Hawk move outside?
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matthews
Has the speed and fluidity to play OLB in 3-4 IMHO.
Cushing, yah, seems more like a 4-3 OLB or 3-4 ILB.
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by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scouts have both of the as OLB
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by bleedbluegold03 on Apr 25, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Orakpo to Washington
Wow, a nice move in D.C. They need some pass rush after letting Jason Taylor go (what a dumb trade that turned out to be).
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 4:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jenkins to the Saints
Just a good common sense move. The Saints just released Mike McKenzie and their secondary overall has been mediocre to bad for years. Getting the best cornerback available in the middle of the 1st round is a pretty good move.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 4:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Definitely.
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by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well there goes one of them, Cushing to Houtson
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by bleedbluegold03 on Apr 25, 2009 4:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
does Hawk or Barnett have enough speed to play outside?
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by bleedbluegold03 on Apr 25, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
But they could be (in Hawk’s case) and are (in Barnett’s case) pretty good on the inside too. Plus both are good in pass coverage, which I think is really essential in the 3-4 defense. On the outside, you can get away with a guy like Kampman who might not be a true linebacker and might struggle in coverage. I would prefer moving Hawk inside, keeping Barnett inside, and finding a hybrid DE/OLB like Kampman to play outside opposite of Kampman.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hawk
is not good in coverage, he got exposed time and again last year when Barnett was out.
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends
Last season was awful for him, so I’m sure he looked awful at times. He still looked like a star in coverage compared to someone like Desmond Bishop. He’s pretty good for a linebacker in coverage, but he did everything poorly last season. If he repeats 2008 in 2009, then he is probably a bust (at least not worth the top 5 pick). I’m hoping he was playing hurt last season.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Houston's pick
Watching on ESPN, they listed one of the key departures in Houston is former Packer RB Ahman Green. Is he really a “key” departure? He played only 14 games the last two seasons. I was in favor of letting Green in 2007 for that reason; I wasn’t sure he was going to be healthy much longer. Now Green’s NFL career should be over. I hope he’s remembered well in Green Bay; he was a hell of a player for the Packers.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 4:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Justin Harrell
ESPN reported as Harrell sloted in as our starting DE, what do people think about that? IF, and thats a big if, he can finally perform that would be a really nice front three for alot of years to come. Still a big IF tho
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by bleedbluegold03 on Apr 25, 2009 4:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
I think he has the size to play there, he needs to stay on the field though. I think we would just count on him to hold that point of attack, not make plays there.
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Theoretically
I’m not surprised to see Harrell slotted in as the starting DE. He should make a great 3-4 DE; big enough to play tackle but athletic enough to play outside. But as Greg said, we just can’t count on him to stay healthy. I’m crossing my fingers, but I’m not counting on him either.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point
I think we may end up moving up to get Everette Brown tho if he doesnt get picked up.
Ring Out Ahoya!
by bleedbluegold03 on Apr 25, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d be very happy with that, he was regarded as a great rusher. Although the last DE we took out of the state of Florida didn’t work out so well…
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brown
I’m a big fan of Brown too. He’s worth considering trading up for if he slips into the late 1st round.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you had to choose
Move up for Brown or Oher?
Brown fills the immediate need, but Oher is probably the better talent.
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Larry English?
well that was a little surprising
Ring Out Ahoya!
by bleedbluegold03 on Apr 25, 2009 4:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is where I expected him to go
I think English went even higher in the SB Nation mock draft then this. He’s not a big name, but he’s well regarded.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deep thought
Will Cleveland ever use a draft pick?
They move down two spots and add a 6th round pick? Might as well if you’re guy would still be available, but that’s a dull trade.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 5:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Browns
could take Maclin if they’re looking to trade to Braylon.
"stay (green and) gold"
by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Move
For Tampa though, I don’t think Freeman would have gotten past Denver with the next pick
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who do Broncos take?
Maybe Everette Brown to rush off the edge.
"stay (green and) gold"
by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guess not...
Maybe Brown will slip to the 2nd?
"stay (green and) gold"
by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybin
went to the Bills.
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by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
meant Ayers, my mistake. I’ve looked at too many rush linebackers this week
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ayers
He sure flew up the draft board.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
This analysis of Robert Ayers compared him to former Viking bust Erasmus James. He sounds like a guy who didn’t produce in college, but was great at the combine and flew up draft boards because he can run well on a track.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Freeman
I just know nothing about the guy, except he’s a big tall guy, which makes me worry. I think Kansas State must play in a bubble; I’m completely unaware of their players. I had never heard of Jordy Nelson until the Packers drafted him.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
PACKERS 2nd ROUND PICK
DROP ALERT:
Michael Oher
Everette Brown
"stay (green and) gold"
by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 5:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Browns!
Will they ever use a draft pick?
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 5:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Eagles
Go with Oher? Or Beanie Wells?
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oher no way
They just traded for Peeters.
Wells doesn’t fit their style.
"stay (green and) gold"
by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well it's moot now...
But Wells would be a great compliment to Westbrook I think
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give them props
They be piling up the picks.
"stay (green and) gold"
by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who do they think they are?
The Packers???
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eagles Receivers
When was the last time Philadelphia didn’t need a wide receiver? Good move for them getting Maclin.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 5:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
But
Why move ahead of detroit? They aren’t going to select him
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Browns might've said they would take him...
unless Philly traded.
"stay (green and) gold"
by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oher
If the Lions don’t take him, I really think we need to move up to get him, that’s a top-15 talent, easy
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 5:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yah...
If he’s slipping, that could bump all the OT’s back a bit, so we could still stay in the 40’s and land a good second tier OT.
"stay (green and) gold"
by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shocked
I can’t believe the Lions didn’t take him
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lions
You knew they were a good TE away from finishing 1-15 (major sarcasm).
That was a dumb move. Pettigrew is very good, but you don’t build around a tight end. That’s a complimentary position, and why they are rarely selected in the 1st round. And the Lions need to rebuild their team.
I’m just shocked they didn’t do something for their offensive line. Do they realize how bad their left tackle Jeff Backus is? I guess they figure Stafford can run for his life better then any other QB in the draft.
I could see why the Eagles would move ahead of the Lions for Maclin. I wouldn’t think Maclin is a great pick for the Lions either, but they could use him. Their receivers not nicknamed Megatron are bad.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oher
I’m a big fan of Oher. It’s true it means lineman are slipping, and the Packers could just wait until No. 41, but Oher is really good. I do have my concern that he is slipping, but Ron Wolf was stunned when Chad Clifton fell into the 2nd round in 2000. Sometimes those things happen.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have to consider
Is there something wrong with Oher that we don’t know about? I don’t know how else to explain it
by GoGregGo on Apr 25, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oher
He’s an odd person. I read the Blind Side book about him. I’m sure a lot of teams interviewed him and came away unimpressed, he doesn’t seem like he has any passion for anything. But he’s very talented. At first glance, he’s very impressive. As you look closer, he someone you can second guess about.
Of course Alex Mack would go ahead of Oher. (sarcasm). That’s a surprise.
Speaking of Oher, he’s on ESPN right now. He’d make a lot of sense in Minnesota.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vikings
Ha!
Didn’t WR Percy Harvin just have some problems with some sort of test? Are they looking for someone to fill the Troy Williamson role? Keep Harvin away from any recreational boats. Chris Mortenson said Harvin has a lot of character issues.
Herm Edwards just compared Harvin to a car crash. At Disneyworld. Boy I’ll miss his press conferences.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 5:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Someone finally moved up to get Oher
Why didn’t the Patriots draft him? He would have been a major upgrade to their offensive line. They might want to give Tom Brady’s knee all the protection it can get.
by Brandon on Apr 25, 2009 5:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I love that
This is the first time he’s drafted like this.
by Pack Man on Apr 25, 2009 5:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Clay Matthews
Is fine with me . . . but what are the details of the trade?
Things happen for a reason they say, but I say there's a reason things happen.
by sixth on Apr 25, 2009 5:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
True I want to see the trade
But I love this draft so far. Beefing up the defense for sure.
by Pack Man on Apr 25, 2009 5:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
knowing how NE drafts..
i’m sure we gave them a few draft picks. they pick the same way we do. But i like the matthews picks..
Greg Jennings.. Future All Pro
by mkcubs21 on Apr 25, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Details
Packers trade up to take LB Clay Matthews
Patriots receive:
" 2009 second-round pick (No. 41)
" 2009 third-round pick (No. 73)
" 2009 third-round pick (No. 83)
Packers receive:
" 2009 first-round pick (No. 26): Clay Matthews
" 2009 fifth-rou
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by toledomudhen on Apr 25, 2009 6:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i still like the deal...
i think we still make a few moves to get back higher in the draft..
Greg Jennings.. Future All Pro
by mkcubs21 on Apr 25, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mmmmm....
I don’t like it THAT much…
We gave up a bit too much for my liking…
a 3rd and a 4th would’ve been fine, but not both of our 3rds.
We’re going to miss out on a bunch of solid mid-round picks.
Still, we nabbed a NT and an OK 3-4 OLB so I’m not complaining too much.
"stay (green and) gold"
by Green and Bold on Apr 25, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That does seem to be a bit much. I didn’t expect to give up 83, too…
by Weldon on Apr 25, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a lot to give up
But definitely addressed some big needs
by Pack Man on Apr 25, 2009 6:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
TT wouldn’t have made this trade if he didn’t think the Packers were ready to compete NOW. get excited
by Dave Z on Apr 25, 2009 6:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed..
plus theres a lot of money involved with 2 first round picks plus one second plus 2 thirds.. maybe he is thinking this is the more affordable way to improve.. I don’t think we’re done just yet tho..
Greg Jennings.. Future All Pro
by mkcubs21 on Apr 25, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
And judging from recent moves they aren’t planning to make any moves in the secondary… We’ll see, I do think the Packers can bounce back this year, but they picked at nine for a reason.
by Pack Man on Apr 25, 2009 6:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So what are we going to do at OT?
I guess it starts at re-signing Tauscher, but I doubt we’ll be picking up Britton now….
by Weldon on Apr 25, 2009 6:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I’ll feel much more confident once we sign a RT
by Bruno28 on Apr 25, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the moment I think Breno Giacomini will be starting at RT, not sure if there is a player in the 4th onwards that TT likes for RT
by Bruno28 on Apr 25, 2009 6:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is he going to be good enough to start? As I recall, he was inactive most weeks last year. Maybe TT knows something about Giacomini we don’t know.
by Weldon on Apr 25, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure that he does have a plan about who will start, maybe he is close to a deal with Tauscher presuming that he is healthy now. Otherwise it was a bad plan to trade away all 3 picks that they did with such a big hole in the OL. Here’s hoping that TT has a few Tackles that he likes in the 4th that we can pick up.
by Bruno28 on Apr 25, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everything I have read says it’ll probably be 4-5 weeks into the season before Tauscher will be ready. You never know, he might come back early, or he might come back late.
I don’t feel too good about the o-line. Oh well. But I would have taken Crabtree at 9, so…
Actually, I’d like to see a poll about Crabtree. Because in the beginning of the draft I wanted either Orakpo or Monroe/Oher. But by the time Crabtree slipped to us, I was salivating over the idea of a 5-wide set with Jennings, Driver, Crabtree, Nelson and Jones. And considering Driver’s age, a Jennings/Crabtree wideout combo would have been impressive for the next 7-8 years.
by Weldon on Apr 25, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vikings just picked Loadholt out of Oklahoma
When watching the national title game with my buddy a former college football tackle, I asked him to give me his thoughts on Loadholt. He thought Loadholt had great upper body strength but he doesn’t use his lower body enough.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
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by jobe on Apr 25, 2009 8:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Putting the Trade in Perspective...
I must admit that once I shook the shock out of my head from seeing the Packers trade UP, I was thrilled to get Matthews. Then I got severe sticker shock from seeing the price tag, as I never thought that the price would be our 2d and both 3ds.
However, as the night passed and I thought more about the fact that the whole pick value chart is intended to be a short-hand calculation for the caliber of players at such spots, I considered whether we should consider where Matthews was expected to be picked, rather than slavishly following the value chart. I mean, we compensated New England enough for the 20th overall pick. If Matthews was worth the 20th overall pick in the minds of the scouting department, then the trade was worthwhile. Considering that most mocks that I had seen had him going before 20th, I am feeling better about the move up.
by NYCPack on Apr 25, 2009 11:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dude
My sentiments exactly. I’m fine with what we’ve done. Two bona fide starters who can make an impact right away.
"stay (green and) gold"
by Green and Bold on Apr 26, 2009 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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