John Clayton on NFC North Receivers
Allow me to preface this with the fact that I think John Clayton is a smart guy. Yes, he's a little nerdy, and yes, he kinda looks like the kid that spent way too much time as a teenager building his own computer in his parents' basement. And yes...
...he totally looks like Mr. Mackey...m'kay.
But the guy knows football quite well.
Right?
While watching the Denver-Dallas game on TNT (sidenote: I hate Mark Cuban. He could have been the best thing to happen to sports, and he's turned into one of the worst things to happen to sports. End sidenote.), I skimmed through Clayton's latest mailbag, and the last question was about the Vikings' acquisition of Florida WR Percy Harvin and whether or not he was a good pickup for the Vikes while Michael Oher was on the board.
Clayton goes against the grain by saying that he likes the move, he likes the gamble the Vikings took on a kid with personal issues. He thinks that Minnesota has a strong enough veteran presence and a good position coach to keep him in line. That's great, it really is.
But then Johnny drops this gem on us:
If he works out, the Vikings might be able to surpass the Packers in having the best receiving corps in the NFC North.
Wait, what? Percy Harvin, a slightly-better handed version of Devin Hester, is the piece that gives the Vikings the best receiving corps in the division?
Let's compare the top 5 recievers for each team quickly:
| Packers | Vikings | |
| 1 | G. Jennings | B. Berrian |
| 2 | D. Driver | S. Rice |
| 3 | J. Nelson | P. Harvin |
| 4 | J. Jones | B. Wade |
| 5 | R. Martin | A. Allison |
I was generous by ranking Harvin third on Minnesota's WR depth chart, but that's only assuming that he's better than Bobby Wade. Safe assumption, in my book. Additionally, Sidney Rice's injury history could easily bump the rookie into a starting role.
In any case, is Clayton really going to argue that, 1 through 5, Harvin makes the Vikings' receivers better than the Packers'? Can anyone make that argument? Berrian would be a 2 on the Packers. Rice would be a 3, maybe. Harvin, as a rookie, would probably be a 4. And who would you rather have, Ruvell Martin or Aundrae Allison?
I will admit that the Vikings have a better running back, a better interior offensive line, and probably better defensive tackles (for now), a better pass rushing end, and a slightly better linebacking corps. But better receivers? I'll let you be the judge.
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If you move Harvin to the top...
I’ve read that Todd McShay compared Percy Harvin to Chad Johnson. Now if Harvin plays like Chad before he went all Ocho Cinco, then he may be right. Johnson at his peak was probably better than Jennings now. Berrian had a great 2008 season, and while he isn’t as good as Jennings, he is arguably better than Driver (at this point in their careers). And either Jones or Nelson played about the same as Sidney Rice in 2008.
Of course the big, big flaw with that plan is assuming that Harvin is better than Jennings. This reporter compared Harvin to Miami WR Ted Ginn. The closest comp to Ginn is Chicago WR Devin Hester.
Another big, big flaw is that Harvin’s a rookie, and rookie WR have a tough adjustment to the NFL. Just ask Greg Jennings, who was arguably the worst receiver in the NFL in his rookie season. A lot of Packer fans might not remember that one because Jennings got off to a hot start in both 2006 and 2007. But he was hurt early in 2006, he came back too early from his injury, and he was never the same. The last game he played in 2006 was week 16 when he only caught 1 of 13 passes thrown his way in a win over Minnesota. He didn’t play at all in the season finale in Chicago.
Yea, it’s possible that Minnesota’s receivers are better than the Packers in 2009. But it’s not likely.
by Brandon on May 11, 2009 11:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
GB > MN
Minnesota still needs a go to guy. they have all speed, but no WR with great hands. Green Bay has that with Donald Driver. Every elite team has a go to guy. Vikings don’t have that.
by Jabooty on May 12, 2009 8:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Packers have on of the best WR sets
In the NFL. Minnesota has an alright one. Seriously, Arizona is the only team that comes to my mind as obviously having better WRs than the Packers.
by Pack Man on May 12, 2009 2:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Vikings WR core should even be discussed in the same article as the Packers receivers. I must be missing something. Berrian is the most over paid, over hyped waste of cap room in the NFC North. Bobby Wade is terrible, and easily devalues this group. He caught some balls at the end of the season, but for the majority of last year Wade made crucial drops on third down. James Jones would easily be a number 2 receiver on their squad, as would Nelson.
I read this article yesterday and immediately looked for an opportunity to comment. The Lions receivers are better than the Vikings receivers!
by StephanL on May 12, 2009 4:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Lions receiver are better than the Vikings receivers!
/fixed
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by Mitchell_M on May 12, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They picked up Bryant Johnson (I think that’s his name). He’s another big receiver to throw jump balls to for a re-vamped Culpepper. I’m expecting the Lions pass game to surpass the Vikings this season, and I’m hoping it destroys the mediocre secondaries of the Bears and Vikes.
by StephanL on May 13, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Lions receiver
Was good last season, but Berrian was pretty good for Minnesota. Megatron was better, but Berrian was one of the better receivers in the league. Although the rest of the receivers, on both teams, had forgettable seasons.
by Brandon on May 14, 2009 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha this is hysterical
There is no comparison between our teams receivers. We have one of the better receiving corps in league. Especially, if Jones is healthy this year. Jennings and Driver could both be pro bowl wideouts. Jones was great his rookie year, but slowed by injuries this past year. Nelson is a possession guy, and a great one at that. And even Martin is pretty good. The only receiving corp I can think that is probably better than ours is the Cardinals.
by packallday555 on May 12, 2009 11:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I say we all agree with John Clayton
just so Jordy Nelson has something to seethe about the entire offseason, then when the season comes, BAM! outtanowhere Jordy Nelson be chokin some chickenheads.
Anyway, if i was Jordy right now, I’d be so hot right now, and thats the way I want him.
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by jobe on May 13, 2009 1:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is a JOKE!!! Berrian does little for me as a #1 WR.. Sure he has deep speed, but he lacks the physicality to beat press coverage regularly and his hans and route running a “decent” at best!!! He also lacks the intangibles of a true #1 WR. Driver may now lack some of the explosiveness to be a #1 WR, but he has ALL the intangibles of a #1 WR..
Leadership, physicality, hands, and the determination!!! Who would you rather have Driver or Berrian??? NOT even close!!! Driver hands down… And he is the #2 WR for the Pack now…
For what the Packers want in WR, Jones and Nelson are really good… I expect both are on the verge of stepping up thier games!!!
This is just LAUGHABLE!!!
by Strohman on May 15, 2009 12:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The thing that I think sets us apart is a guy like Donald Driver. What I mean by that is not simply his play on the field, cause as good as he is he isn’t the greatest. Driver just sets the tone for the Packers receivers. If you want to be a WR on the Packers you have to be willing to do all the little things that he does, like blocking, good route running, willingness to go over the middle, toughness, fighting for extra yards. If you are not willing to do those things like he does, you are not Packer WR material. Similar to the way that Hines Ward is in Pittsburgh, Steve Smith in Carolina, etc. It may take guys a few years to understand but you aren’t going to fit in with the Steelers WR’s if you don’t take pride in your blocking downfield, and ability to show no fear going over the middle. Santonio Holmes is a great example of someone who came in thinking he was hot sh*t and learned that to be an NFL WR you had to do the things that Ward does, and now he is on the right path and working hard. Donal Driver is that for the Green Bay Packers. Guys like Jennings, Jones, Nelson, even Koren Robinson when he was here have all benefited by playing with one of the hardest working guys in football. Hooray for Driver!
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on May 15, 2009 7:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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