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So ESPN's Ed Werner and John Clayton are all over the unretirement of QB Brett Favre and the rumor that the only team he would consider playing for is the Vikings. If you followed the Favre unretirement saga last year (and how could you have avoided it), then you are not at all surprised to see that he has changed his mind. Again.

Bring on Favregeddon!

I said it before, if he plays against the Packers twice next season, then I hope we beat him twice. I always hope we beat Minnesota twice a season. I loved everything he did for the Packers and I'm a huge Favre apologist for every bad INT (except the one in OT at Philadelphia in the 2003 playoffs), but I'm a Packer fan first, Favre fan second.

But I don't agree that this all about revenge. From Kevin Seifert:

But ESPN's John Clayton reported this week that Favre told New York Jets officials that Minnesota was the only team he would consider playing for.

There could be only one reason for that stipulation: Revenge.

I'm sure he wouldn't mind to figuratively kick dirt in the face of GM Ted Thompson, but Favre's strongest remaining NFL ties are in Minnesota. Seifert does go onto mention that he spent years working with Vikings offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell and K Ryan Longwell is currently a Viking too, but Seifert sort of dismisses it. But I expect having Longwell and Bevell in Minnesota is a big deal for Favre. Most of Favre's playing buddies (TE Mark Chmura, C Frank Winters) have long since retired, but Longwell was Favre's golfing buddy in Green Bay. I think it makes a difference for him to play on a team where he has some friends.

As I said before, I think this a move Childress is considering to save his job. If he doesn't win a playoff game this season, I don't see how he is still their head coach in 2010. He can't be watching QB Sage Rosenfels in camp and be too confident of his playoff chances.

What do you think? Is Favre to the Vikings going to happen? ( I say yes). Can he make them a better team? (At age 40, I don't think he can).

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Favre in purple

I’ll be right back. I need to puke.

If it happens, I will lose a lot of respect for the man.

Regardless, I think he would be a similar player to last year as a Jet. Inconsistent with flashes of his aptitude. Though I won’t say he will make the team better, he could be an effective possession-type passer. The Viqueens don’t need a QB to toss the longball all day. They just need someone to take the pressure off Peterson and keep defenses honest. He will make them better some games and worse others. More INTs than TDs I would guess.

LET'S GO HAWKS!

by spell on May 5, 2009 10:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Simply put...

Favre would be bad for the Vikings. They have the most dangerous ground game in the leak and a top-notch defense. They don’t need a wily old gun-slinger, they need a game manager. Rosenfels may not be the second coming of John Elway, but he gives them a better shot of making it deep then Favre does. Favre was successful in Green Bay in ‘07 for the simple fact that he had a plethora of talent at the WR position. In Minnesota, he won’t.

"stay (green and) gold"

by Green and Bold on May 5, 2009 11:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh...

Plus if he joins he will tarnish his legacy in GB. A poll at JSOnline says 65% of fans will hate him more if he joins the ’Queens. I personally will burn a jersey, smash a bobble-head, and jeer him every chance I get. Carrying through with this travesty will be a slap in the face to all Packer-backers, and will once and for all remove any doubts that Favre cares about anyone or anything but himself.

If he retires as a Pack this off-season, I’ll gladly welcome him back with open arms and forget this bizarre last year.

"stay (green and) gold"

by Green and Bold on May 5, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don’t smash those things, send them to me. After he goes into the hall of fame all that stuff will be worth some $$$$$$$.

by cfpb on May 6, 2009 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm going to agree

with you on the burning of the jersey and the smashing of the bobble-head…within the past day he’s went from one of my childhood hero’s to someone I’m beginning to hate with a passion. I, like Favre hate Ted Thompson, but going to the Queens is crossing the line, I’m not sure if I could forgive him for that.

"I held it like and egg...? I know he scrambled the son of a bitch!"

by BRWRSFAN39 on May 6, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

You make a good point

But ask Houston fans how secure Sage is with the football.

by TheElusiveShadow on May 6, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I dont think its for revenege either

I think he feels he can get a championship with the vikes but i say let him join… As an eagles fan I haven’t been afraid of favre for the past 5-6 yeras now. Even the last game when you guys beat us it had more to do with our lack of offense and S/T blunders than Favre.. Ok, I think he stinks

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on May 5, 2009 11:47 PM CDT reply actions  

But what would an Eagles fan know?? You booooed Mcnabb when you drafted him, exactly where would you have been without him??

by cfpb on May 6, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Revenge

It is absolutely about revenge!!! Favre was given a decades worth of chances to win another SB but failed!!! During the time from 00 to 05 Favre had one of the best RB in the game, but still threw the INT’s to prevent it from happening!!! Is Minn D really all that good this year? THe DB’s suck in Minn, and the Williams boys are looking at 4 game suspensions!!! That D could easily take a HUGE step backwards.

Also Fave in Minn would have NO ACCOUNTABILITY whatsoever!!! Sherman and Bevell couldn’t coach Favre and hold him accountable for his mistakes like McCarthy did!!! Bevell being in Minn and being a FavreFriendly is hardly a good thing for Brett… He will likely throw in excess of 25 INT’s in Minn w/ Bevell as his OC or QB coach!!!!

Sherman and Bevell were never anything more than puppets to Favre!!!

by Strohman on May 6, 2009 2:13 AM CDT reply actions  

you are right on

His only motivation is revenge, plain and simple. That is not mature decision-making. If you are the Vikes (shudder at the thought) you have to ask yourself what the motivations are for this guy. Does he want to help your franchise or just stick it to his old franchise?

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on May 6, 2009 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Who cares?

Until Favre signs a contract and is wearing a purple uniform, its all a bunch of media hype and B.S.

by packer on May 6, 2009 3:41 AM CDT reply actions  

We need to just get over it

Many great players do not retire from the teams where they had their best seasons. Favre was in a situation where he could have retired from the team where he’d had his greatest success, but he chose to forgo that honor. While Packer fans pour out their hearts more like a college town than an NFL home (for example, look at how many people sent Reggie White money when his church was burnt down), we must realize that such care is not always mutual. Green Bay being a special place does not mean that all things NFL somehow change when they touch Lambeau— pro football is still a business and some players who have been worshiped since grade school will allow fan passion to feed their immense egos, rather rather than reciprocating such love.

He’s already played for one different team after the Packer days. I personally do not care if he plays for another, even if that other team is the Vikings. I can appreciate all that he did for the Packers without feeling torn or conflicted now that he is no longer a Packer.

by NYCPack on May 6, 2009 4:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Message for Brett Favre from one of your biggest supporters and lifetime GBP fan!

Preserve your LEGACY!
Let it go! ( Hatred for GBP execs.)
Come back to Green Bay, get your name in the ring at Lambeau, be the LEGEND!

CsHroCKs

by CsHroCKs on May 6, 2009 7:37 AM CDT reply actions  

As A Lifelong Vikings Fan...

..and hating Favre every second he was on the Packers, I am starting to like the idea of seeing Favre in Purple.

Last year when the rumors started, I was strongly against Favre coming to the Vikes. Seeing him play for another team other than the Pakers has tempered that a bit. I think I misdirected my hate towards Favre rather than the Green Bay Packers themselves.

If you think about it, either way it is a win-win. If he plays well and the Vikings are a better team, Packers fans can say “See, he is a great player” and Vikings fans walk away with a successful season. If he sucks it up, Vikings fans can say, “See, he has always sucked” and you guys get to see the Vikings fail.

Either way, the rivalry will get that much deeper. I will have another reason to hate you and you will have another reason to hate me. And really, it is just good football.

by timeloop13 on May 6, 2009 8:01 AM CDT reply actions  

Favre-ViQueens

.I am a Packer Fan going on 52 years—-Been thru it all….and I too cheer on “The Team” because that is what it takes to win. Favre has lost an awful lot of respect from the Packer Faithful and I will be very upset if he comes to Minn. only with the element of “Revenge” against T.T as motivation. None of us will ever know the “True Story” over his divorce from Green Bay…both sides where at fault but that is neither here nor there…..I will still go to Canton Brett—-just to see you paid the ultimate tribute….It is time to go…before NO-ONE show’s up at your official #4 retirement ceremony in The Frozen Tundra !!!

by Buddyruff on May 6, 2009 10:51 AM CDT reply actions  

Fire Ted Thompson!!!

What you will find below is a clear and accurate description of all the decisions and events that prove that Ted Thompson has been a horrible GM for the Packers. It also describes the conflict between Brett Favre and Ted Thompson and lists all the reasons why Brett Favre should be rightfully trusted, valued and brought back to The Packers fold.

 

Ted Thompson:

 

            Probably was a problem in Seattle

            Has made many moves that have been detrimental to The Green Bay Packers team and organization for no legitimate reason

            Shows a probably personality defect shown in his business actions and personal lifestyle

            Shown a clear lack of respect to those within The Packers organization and the rest of the NFL

            Demonstrated a compete lack of trustworthiness

            When looking at his complete body of work for The Packers, it would be easier to explain his actions and decisions were the for the cause of inflicting the most amount of harm to the team and organization than doing it the most good and that some of his decisions and actions that have been beneficial to The Packers have been only by accident.

 

Far be it that I might scribe the facts about The Green Bay Packers GM only because of the current rift between himself and Future Hall of Famer, Brett Favre. Hardly. It is a truth known by everyone around me that I have thought very little of the man, as both a person and a GM since his first transaction as GM for The Packers. This controversy between, almost solely between Ted Thompson and Brett Favre, has actually only been the last straw and the most defining of my case against Ted Thompson. The turning point of my argument mainly rests on the evidence that Ted Thompson is not incompetent, nor un-intelligent (in the traditional, quantifiable sense, at least) but actually plagued by a severe personality disorder. Partially evident by the wide spread reports that, not only, has Ted Thompson never been married, but also has virtually no close friends.

 

Without further ado, I will now make the case that, not only is Ted Thompson is actually a very poor GM, but that his designs, moves, transactions and bargaining practices have less to do with doing The Packers organization and football team the most amount of good, but is more accurately described as giving his own ego the most amount of strokes.

 

Jan 15th 2005:

 

“As Bob Harlan mentioned yesterday, this whole thing, this whole movement here is about structure. It’s not about individuals. It’s not about Ted Thompson, it’s not about Mike Sherman – it’s not about even Bob Harlan. It’s about what’s best for the Packers, both now and going forward. It’s about structure, and it’s a structure that I think Bob and the Packers were best comfortable with in terms of the way he had it set up previously with Ron Wolf and Mike Holmgren, and Ron Wolf and Mike Sherman.” – Ted Thompson 2005

 

I think it important to remember the events preceding this hire by the Packers as it will weigh in heavily in this case later on. There were a lot of similarities between the 2004 Packers and Seahawks and from the notes and interviews that would be given in the next year, it would seem that the similarities went beyond the fact that both teams were first round KO victims by division rivals. Without naming names, Mike Holmgren said in interviews held around the time of Super Bowl XL, that his relationship with certain members of the front office had deteriorated and that the working environment had become unbearable to him. This had come to a head at the end of the 2004 season and led to Mike Holmgren and owner Paul Allen to discuss not only his future, but the future of the organization and franchise. After that discussion a greater commitment was given to Mike Holmgren and part of that was going to be a shake up in the front office. The result was that Paul Allen fired team president and longtime business associate Bob Whitsitt and team Vice President, Ted Thompson, was also allowed to leave The Seahawks for The Packers GM position, even though, public consensus and conventional wisdom at the time, led many in the local media to believe that The Seahawks would not allow Ted to go in the couple of short months leading up to the draft because of his heavy involvement in the draft process with The Seahawks.

 

It would be easy to speculate now that Ted Thompson was also a part of the problems that Mike Holmgren had with the front office and that Ted’s departure to Green Bay was simply a more easy and delicate way to alleviate that problem.

 

We now know that Brett Favre asked Ted Thompson to try and retain the services of his two starting guards, Mike Wahle and Marco Riverra. Now before Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel stands up from the back of the room to protest that this is a player trying to run the team let me state what should be the obvious. When you have an aging Hall of Fame QB asking to keep or attain players on offense, especially those that have done a superb job of protecting him in seasons past, this is neither selfish nor out of the ordinary. Elite QB’s have commonly done this, and, by and large, those requests have been fulfilled by various organizations throughout the years. However, instead of granting Brett’s request, The Packers GM, Ted Thompson, decided to let both of them go right at the start of free agency.

 

To be fair, there were cap issues to consider especially at that time when Mike Sherman had left such mess with bloated contracts for par or sub-par players, however, in the case of Mike Wahle, he had said in a Jan 10th, 2005 interview that can be found on Packers.com, "Like I said before, it’s not always just about the money. You really want to put yourself in a good situation and I think those kind of things have to be looked at. When we were 1-4, my household was pretty miserable. I don’t think you would want to take money to be with a team where you’re going to be 1-4 all the time. I think there’s a lot more things in life and in football than money alone." He had also stated in an interview with ESPN early in that season while with the Carolina Panthers that he "would have re-signed with Green Bay for ANY money".

 

Clearly, this was the first step in Ted Thompson’s campaign against Brett Favre and the first of many transactions that show a clear and well defined personality disorder, clinical narcissism.

 

The next thing, I feel, was another clog in the machine of Ted Thompson’s narcissism was in the release of Darren Sharper. Now, mind you, I think this worked for us, but it wasn’t by design. Yes Darren did play a few more productive years while we did, and maybe still are, trying to find that great safety to play his position, however, Darren has never been a good tackler, opting instead for the big shoulder-let knock-down hit instead of wrapping up and making a sure tackle. Even though his ball prowess is eagle-eyed sharp, not making good tackles as a safety should get you removed from a team. However, I don’t feel that Ted Thompson ever really understood or knew of these points; I feel he made that decision based surely on the fact that Darren wasn’t his guy. None of them were. And for that reason, and that reason alone, they should all be replaced, in the mind of Ted Thompson…including Brett Favre. This leads to Ted’s biggest blunder, and simultaneously, the best evidence that the media is full of ‘Box Score Only’ reporters that know next to nothing.

 

The pick of Aaron Rodgers. Now despite the media’s hoopla over the grand, wonderful and fortunate luck of this pick, I’m here to interject a little reality. This pick is ONLY a good pick IF your express intention was to pick Aaron Rodgers. Of course you needed some luck to have that happen, so it wasn’t by some slick design by trade that shows the genius of Ted Thompson and we are talking about a QB that, as a backup, can not stay upright for a full season. If the intention was to pick up the heir apparent to Brett Favre, this is a STUPID pick because everyone knew that the big class for QB’s was in the next year’s draft (Matt Lienhart, Jay Cutler, Vince Young, ect…). I mean, could you imagine what having Vince Young would be like right now? Allowed to sit behind Brett Favre, learning how to play QB for 3-4 seasons with his scrambling ability and ability to make plays when things break down and that arm? Wow! Instead we have Aaron, which, sorry to say, is NOT the QB Vince was or should be. Vince got thrown into the fire early and I believe that has stunted his development. Aaron was a not ready for prime-time player that took two seasons to finally learn what is needed to be a successful QB here, and while I think he now possess those tools, his durability is still a HUGE question mark.

 

Now if the objective was to pick the best athlete available, this is an even worse pick. Ted Thompson spent a first round pick to a QB, who is not nearly as good as his peers that were to be coming out the next season, and who will not help The Packers win even a game the coming season and for seasons to come. Even in a couple of opportunities to come in mid-game for a hurt Favre, he didn’t win those games. In fact, there are so many other players that The Packers could have picked that would probably have been the difference in winning one or two games more each season. The first name that comes to mind is Heath Miller. In fact, don’t The Packers need a good all round tight end right now?

 

I’d also take the time to call in just about all but certainly the majority of Ted Thompson’s draft picks, in every draft. About the only one that doesn’t fall into the mold I am just about to describe was the pick of A.J. Hawk, but I believe that to be only because it was SUCH a no brainer that Ted Thompson may have rightfully estimated that to do anything different may have put him into question and punctured the shinny armor he has worn since coming to Green Bay. An armor of perception only really made possible more by the incompetence of Mike Sherman as GM than Ted Thompson’s unique talents at the position. The observation and point I am making here has to do with the fact that all too often he is taking players that should and would normally go in lower rounds at higher rounds. I am having a hard time finding all the exact information I need to make this point so I am going to use one good example of my point and agree that the rest is my perception based upon watching all these Ted Thompson drafts at the time and coming away after the combined experience of all of them and saying to myself that far too often, it seems that Ted Thompson is taking players at higher rounds than those players are projected to go at. Now before I get into this too heavily with my example, I am well aware that this is not that uncommon. If a GM or other draft decision maker sees a player they think has a higher value than their projected pick, and they want that player, but feel there is a very good chance that another team will pick that player before their teams’ pick comes up in that round or late in the earlier round, they will spend an early round draft pick to get that player, that they feel have the potential they are looking for. I totally get and understand that. My point is that Ted Thompson does that too often, and actually in other ways, mishandles the draft, and is not actually doing a good job where his so called expertise lies.

 

The example I point to is Justin Harrell in the 2007 draft. Now I have nothing against this guy. In fact, I hope he does well. But the fact of the matter is that this guy had a serious arm injury that required surgery and rehab. While experts did not conclude that he would fall out of the draft altogether, he was projected by many to be a late 2nd round or 3rd round draft pick, despite his first round potential, because of the nature of his injuries. The bottom line is that he could have still been picked later and we could have gotten more value out of that draft pick. I think this whole ideal is also shown in this last 2008 draft, however, I know that arguing this point is still, mostly a matter of speculation and not fact and probably won’t be settled one way or the other for a few more seasons at least.

 

The next item on the agenda is the request of Brett Favre to interview Steve Mariucci and the hiring of Mike McCarthy. At the time of the search for a new Head Coach I was, in fact, a fan of Jim Bates. I thought he did a good job with the defense in a year where there were not that many bright spots for The Packers and that he had done a pretty good job in Miami as their interim Head Coach. When the interview with Mike McCarthy was announced, I was like most laymen and searching for information about this guy I had previously heard little about. I knew he was the Offensive Coordinator for the San Francisco 49ers, which frankly, had me raising my eyebrows because they had been so bad offensively that year, so I looked him up. My reaction at the time was quite severe with disbelief, however, I will say here, very safely that out of all the candidates at the time, Mike McCarthy was probably the least qualified.

 

Again, don’t get me wrong, I think the guy has done a hell of a job. He has brought things to this team that Mike Sherman definitely didn’t. I thought that Mike Sherman was a horrible GM and half of a great Head Coach and half of a bad Head Coach. Mike Sherman was great with creating a complex offense with complex plays and had his teams mentally prepared. However, I believe that on the mental aspect of the game, he would simply out-think himself and on the physical part of the game, he did not have his teams prepared. Most evident by the rash of injuries his Packer teams would consistently sustain throughout his tenure as Head Coach. Mike McCarthy has his teams physically prepared for the season, as well as mentally prepared. My only rip on Mike McCarthy early was that his game plans, offense and plays were too simple, but he has always had the youngest team in the league and his offense has taken on more complexity as the years have progressed. I also understand his steadfast support of Ted Thompson, even though I don’t agree with it and think he should just stand back and be silent while the Ted Thompson\Brett Favre fight finds its conclusion. I know that he probably knows that, if it were not for what ever is driving Ted Thompson’s madness he would probably not be a Head Coach right now.

 

The point in this portion of my argument is just the respect level that Thompson seemingly has none of. The respect of what was a Head Coach in this league and the respect of your Hall of Fame QB that have given FAR more to the franchise than Ted Thompson has, or probably ever will, by a long shot. Favre didn’t ask the guy to hire Steve Mariucci, didn’t give any ultimatums. He simply asked Ted to interview him. Even if, as is now evident, that Ted Thompson would go into an interview with Steve Mariucci knowing that he would not be hiring him under any circumstances, what would have cost Ted to go ahead and do so? Even if it is just to placate the request of your star athlete? Obviously there was probably more to gain for the objectives of Ted Thompson to not interview Steve Mariucci than to do so. It seems that a clear message of disrespect to Brett Favre was the objective. It is the only thing that makes any sense in this scenario.

 

This last point is, what I feel, the pinnacle of the entire case against Ted Thompson and the vindication of Brett Favre. It has everything that you could ever need to exemplify how wrong Ted Thompson is and how bad he actually is for The Packers franchise and how much Brett Favre has earned and deserves his wishes in the current turmoil and how Brett has earned and deserves a vote from every TRUE Packer fan and every fan of the NFL as a whole.

 

The non-deal for Randy Moss. Yes, I know, there is a lot of bad blood between Randy and The Packer faithful and for good reason. However, at the end of the day, Randy Moss is still a unique talent and has been labeled a "Packer Killer" for many, many good reasons. Randy also had a reputation for taking plays off when he was not involved in those plays and that defenses would "key in" on Randy to be able to know if they needed to worry about him in the play or focus on the rest of The Vikings on a particular play. Definitely a stupid, thing for a player to do and obviously something that could not stand pat if Randy was to continue to play in the league and did not, to my knowledge, was a behavior that did not re-appear in his days at Oakland. There was also the rumor that because of Randy’s leg injury had slowed him down to a shadow of his former self and speed. A rumor obliterated by a pre-draft and pre-free agency workout he held that showed amazing speed in the 40.

 

Brett Favre and Randy share an agent through Bus Cook and through that contact Brett lobbied and worked very hard to get Randy Moss to Green Bay. He even got Randy to take 6.5Mil\year less to play in Green Bay AND if The Packers were still strapped for cash or unsure of the deal, Brett offered up that amount from his salary to get the deal with Randy done.

 

I want to pause for a moment and talk about what Brett Favre offered here just a little bit more in depth and go into some of the other things about this guy and what he has done for The Packers organization. This is not the first time Brett Favre has offered up some of his own money to get or keep other players so that The Packers would remain competitive and winning. Brett has so many various charities that he not only gives money to but also his own personal time. He has always stated his own personal high standards for ethics, and has, for the most part, adhered to them. At a time when the Commissioner of the NFL is constantly interjecting new rules governing player behavior both on and off the field to battle a severe image problem the NFL is receiving because of the actions of so many of its star athletes, Brett Favre is one of the few shinning examples of goodwill and sportsmanship the NFL has these days. When you take into account everything the man has done, given and sacrificed, both on and off the field, for The Packers, The NFL and to the community of mankind at large, why would anyone feel safe or justified in attacking this mans character? Better yet, why would anyone doubt Brett Favre over Ted Thompson?

 

There is so much evidence against Ted Thompson as both a person and a GM and there is so much evidence on the side of Brett Favre as a player, a valuable asset to the league and as a person. The fact that ANYONE buys into the media’s farce that Brett Favre is some kind of whinny, flip-flopper and that Ted Thompson is some messianic savior who’s every word and action is as strong and steadfast as it is wise and noble, only shows how boorish, immature and viciously ignorant so many of the populous at large have become.

 

Anyway, back to the Randy, non-deal. So Ted Thompson, after what could probably only be described as a few nano-seconds of thought, decided that this deal, of course, since coming from Brett Favre, must never see fruition. More than that, the wheels must have been turning immediately about how best to position himself to put himself in the best possible light and, simultaneously, but Brett Favre in the worst possible light. That would be with a series of lies, to both Brett and the media.

 

Now we come to this, the conflict of Brett Favre’s retirement\un-retirement. The first thing I would like to direct your attention to is the arbitrary March deadline Ted Thompson gave Brett Favre. There was no reason for this deadline whatsoever. I have heard so many stupid, "Box Score Only" sports reporters’ talk about how The Packers had to draft two QB’s to bolster the roster at QB after Brett left. Fact is, The Packers had to draft two QB’s period, with or without Brett Favre. They had pretty much no other QB on the roster going into this season, except Brett and Aaron. They had the free agent QB’s that were on the market come in and workout, but decided not to sign any of them. There was no other choice for Green Bay than to draft two QB’s, no matter what Brett would have or would not have decided, if given a more appropriate amount of time to make his decision.

 

I have also heard another stupid thing come from the "Box Score Only" hacks (you know, if you want to PAY someone to write about sports and actually GO or WATCH the games and KNOW something about which they are charged with writing about…pick me!) is that when Brett left they crafted this whole new offense specifically tailored to Aaron Rodgers. Complete fiction. I don’t see how anyone would believe that you put Aaron Rodgers holding the clipboard and learning an offense that you are going to change drastically the moment he comes in as the full time starter. Maybe they added a wrinkle or two for him and definitely they have expanded and adjusted the offense as they would from season to season normally. But to think they changed it radically because Brett retired and Aaron is taking over? No.

 

When it comes to Brett Favre and whether or not he should be brought back and start this season, the bottom line is this: Forget every season and every record and all the legend status and talk that goes along with the guy. Forget that he earned every bit of it. Instead just think of this guy, who came in for the Packers last season, and led the team to tie their franchise record in wins and led them to the NFC Championship Game with pretty decent stats across the board in TD’s, passing yards, passer rating and the like. Oh, and by the way, he was 70% or better of the teams’ entire offense for the better part of the first half of the season and won several games in the 4th quarter or overtime.

 

Now set that aside and, keep and eye on it, but put it to the side for just a moment. Yeah, right there to the left will be fine. Good. Now, think about all the NFL teams in history with all their varied leadership, from coaches, to GM’s to ownership that has ever existed in the NFL since it’s earliest inception. Got that in your mind now? Good. Now, just focus on only the most boneheaded teams, the worst teams and especially the worst led teams ever. OK, got your collection? Yeah there’s some real stunners in there isn’t there? Now try and find one where a team had that player at QB, that situation of the year preceding the coming season, and find the team that did NOT want that QB to come back. Find the example of the team that did not want the QB that led them the year before to those heights, with pretty much the same team coming back the next season, still ranked as either the youngest team in the league or one of the youngest teams in the league, and they did not want that QB back. They wanted instead the guy that they just like but has never even put one full game under his belt, and while he looks good, he has a hard time staying upright. Find that example in the past.

 

Can’t? Yeah, me either…that is why we are looking at the most boneheaded NFL team in history. Bottom line. Period. Try and debate that one. Those that might should be warned about losing all credibility.

Now, go back and add everything that Brett Favre is to this situation and see if this just got a thousand times more…uh, more…jeeze…I think we have to invent a new word to describe this kind of stupidity and ignorance. Maybe like a medical condition, like Terminal Imbecilious.

 

Ted Thompson wants to see Brett Favre retired so his own guy can shine and Ted can be praised for finding the next QB legend. This is certainly a big departure from his quote that I listed at the top of this letter. Tell me, how is Ted Thompson supposed to tell a player that, while he is one of the best of his position, that the player should take a pay cut to play for Green Bay than he would probably get from the other teams around the league because it is what is best for the team as a whole and winning a Super Bowl? Or showing up for the voluntary workouts or any of the other stuff that every NFL team asks of its players and coaches for the sake of “what’s best for the team”, when HE can’t even push his PRIDE aside for said goal?!?

 

If Ted Thompson was ever true to his word, which, by this documentation of his actions and decisions, he is obviously not, then whether he liked it or not, he would shut up and bring Brett back. Since he is not going to do that, I hope this letter finds the right hands and that those hands will be inspired to do what most definitely needs to be done. Either reign in or fire Ted Thompson.

by Alphapotent on May 6, 2009 10:57 AM CDT reply actions  

do us a favor

two, actually.

1. edit. heavily.
2. use the fanposts.

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by Mitchell Maurer on May 6, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry

New here. I’ll get better.

by Alphapotent on May 6, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not entirely fair

While I don’t think TT is that great I think you are being a little harsh regarding the Rodgers pick, sure he was lucky that Rodgers fell, i’m not arguing that point. You make it seem that the choice for TT was Rodgers sitting for 3 years or Young sitting for 2 but nobody (not even Favre) knew that Favre would be back after the 2005 season so if Favre had retired it would have been Rodgers having sat for a year learning or Leinart or Cutler (Young was off the board 3 picks before the Packers spot) starting their rookie season and having seen how well Leinart (who was rated higher than Cutler) has done I think it worked out well considering the information TT had at the time.

I also didn’t have a problem with the March deadline, his retirement did affect the draft, i very much doubt that the Pack would have selected Brohm in the 2nd round if Favre was still on the roster. Favre was making the whole team wait for over a month before deciding and having taken an age the previous 2 years I can understand TT’s problem with the length of time he took

by Bruno28 on May 6, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Vince Young

suggesting Vince Young over Aaron Rodgers is so laughable that it weakens your entire argument. Vince Young is a complete abomination at QB in the NFL. He has no judgment skills whatsoever and is totally reliant on his physical skills, skills that do not include the ability to throw the football, which comes in pretty handy at the QB position. He has proven in his time in Tennessee that he is unwilling to learn from others, is a headcase, and takes criticism and boos extremely poorly. That certainly is not what you are looking for in a QB to follow a legend like Favre.

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on May 6, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Young Guns

You know, in disagreeing with me, you nearly make my point for me. You are right. Vince does make bad decisions and is having a hard time adjusting to the mental part of being an NFL QB. Conversely, Aaron Rodgers is not having those same difficulties. The most OBVIOUS reason for this is because A-Rodg got to sit for 3 years and Vince had to start his first year.

You also do note Vince’s formidable physical talents that have allowed him some degree of success, dispite his handicap of not getting a chance to learn from the bench. However, what you have failed to miss, and GB fans are being especially blind to, is the fact that Vince can also do something (Brett too) that Aaron can not…win in the final minutes of a game! Aaron is nearly perfectly demonstrating the difference between a good QB (especially in an NFL skewed to the offensive passing game and passer) and a great QB.

Brett is a great QB…Aaron is not…at least not so far. Vince is not a great QB, but there is some strong evidence and logic to support a point that he may be, given the same conditions A-Rodg received.

by Alphapotent on May 6, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brett WAS a great QB. He is not one anymore.

In reference to ARodg not being a winner:
Week 16 vs Bears- ARodg not responsible for blocked potential game winning 38 yd FG in 4th quarter
Week 15 vs Jax- Packers had a lead with 5 minutes to go and Defense allowed 80yd TD drive to go down by 4. Once again ARodg not responsible
Week 14 vs Hou- Tied at 21 with under 2 min. remaining. Houston takes the ball at their own 3 and drives down for the winning FG as time expires. Rodgers led the offense to 2 4th quarter TDs to get back in the game. Once again not ARodg’s fault.
Week 10 vs Min- ARodg set up a potential GWFG that was missed by Crosby.

so in just those 4 games lets go to the “reason for loss” scoreboard
Crosby-2
Defense-2
ARodg- 0

In conclusion, can we all please give Aaron Rodgers some time before we start calling him a loser. Favre didn’t always succeed in the 4th quarter either.

by juggernaut400 on May 6, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know, in disagreeing with me, you nearly make my point for me. You are right. Vince does make bad decisions and is having a hard time adjusting to the mental part of being an NFL QB. Conversely, Aaron Rodgers is not having those same difficulties. The most OBVIOUS reason for this is because A-Rodg got to sit for 3 years and Vince had to start his first year.

Well…actually…the most OBVIOUS reason for the difference would be that they are two different people who approach things completely differently. Vince Young has been able to get by on only his physical talent his whole life and once he got to the pros and had to learn from someone he has been unable to adjust. Rodgers on the other hand has demonstrated a great work ethic and a willingness to learn from his coaches and fellow players. All of this is moot anyway, because Brett plainly stated that it is not his job to show anyone the ropes. He wasn’t there to mentor anyone. How can you be so positive that Vince Young would have been able to handle this? Have you seen his Wonderlic score?

However, what you have failed to miss, and GB fans are being especially blind to, is the fact that Vince can also do something (Brett too) that Aaron can not…win in the final minutes of a game!

I can only assume that this is in reference to his days at Texas cause his stats at the pro level certainly don’t back up that statement. Got to love that 9/17 TD/INT ratio from 2007, huh? Compare that to Rodgers 28/13 ratio last year. Still backing Vince?

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on May 6, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I believe he was referring to that one game vs Houston I think where Young scrambled 50 yards for the game winning TD, or maybe that game vs the Giants where Kiwanuka had him wrapped up and just let him go. Those are true measures of a championship QB.

by juggernaut400 on May 7, 2009 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Understood, But...

You do bring up two valid points; however, it does leave quite a bit about TT to be desired. Additionally, since I wrote this a year ago (yes I copied a pasted this from my rant about the situation from last year) there have been a few more revelations about TT and Brett and the retirement saga to factor into consideration.

One the retirement front, the Brett Favre watch started a couple of years before the arival of TT, however, it was mainly media generated. I mean that int the sense that, at least until TT, the idea that Brett was considering retirement since turning 34 was ridiculous. I have heard that Brett really had no serious intention of retiring until the time he could no longer physically play or was no longer wanted, and up until TT came to town, the Vegas odds were on the latter. The only thing NOT ridiculous about retirement was some of the reasons he might want to retire. In short, he was looking for some concessions for himself in regards to the offseason workouts and mini-camps.

I know some people feel differently about this, but in my book, the guy had earned some “special” considerations, not just for being a HOF player that was crucial to the rise of what was a bottom dwelling Packers franchise, but also because he had made many personal, professional and even financial considerations to help keep the Packers competitive. However, when TT got to town, from day one, Brett was treated with marginal respect at best. I think this led Brett to begin to forget about his second condition for retirement altogether.

Second, the stories coming out about free agents that have come to GB and have also been met with disrespect that borders on distain. Adam Vinitari was invited to GB to work out and meet with the team; however, when he arrived he was not met by TT, who was in town, nor any other official to discuss any kind of a deal what-so-ever. A bit confused by his visit, Adam left without any discussion about joining the team outside of any unofficial talk that may have been made while working out with the Pack. Some days later, he received a fax from TT’s office with a low ball offer. SERIOUSLY!!!

Bottom line, any of the investigation or digging anyone might do about TT, either during his time here or before it, should find that this guy has some SERIOUS deficiencies and should be shown the door.

by Alphapotent on May 6, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

re: Vinatieri

Ever consider that Vinatieri’s agent might have set up the visit to get other suitors to up the ante knowing full well the Packers had no interest in signing a kicker for 2+ million per season. Especially coming off a 4-12 season.

by juggernaut400 on May 6, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Longest. Post. Ever.

"You just don't know understand how frustrating this is"- Kevin Borseth

by TkGoUWGB on May 6, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

he would shut up and bring Brett back

to do what exactly?

by juggernaut400 on May 6, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think

I’ve ever seen a post this long. I have to post just to give my eyes a break

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by BRWRSFAN39 on May 6, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rediculous

It is absurd to expect anyone to read a 30+ paragraph, stream-of-consciousness rant that was written in the heat of passion a year ago.

You hate Ted Thompson. We get it. Ironic that you are copying and pasting this sloppiness shortly after most pundits loved Thompson’s work in the draft this season.

by NYCPack on May 7, 2009 2:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

retirement ceremony at the 50 yard line for favre by the defense on monday night football.

by packerbacker1 on May 6, 2009 2:41 PM CDT reply actions  

yes I loved the article on suzy kolber’s f—k him.

by packerbacker1 on May 6, 2009 3:45 PM CDT reply actions  

8th week in season is around deer hunting season too.

by packerbacker1 on May 6, 2009 3:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Alpha, Young knows how to win?

Is that why the Titans decided to go with Kerry Collins last season? Have you ever thought that maybe the Titans just won in spite of him because I hardly think that a guy who has thrown ten more INTs than TDs with a 57% career completion percentage can be considered the reason his team wins. Maybe the difference between the two (at least in Young’s 2007 season) was that the Titans had a top defense and run game. If you want to loathe Ted Thompson that’s fine, I’m not gonna read your mini essay as to why you do but saying Vince Young is a better QB than Rodgers is laughable.

by HomieHippo on May 6, 2009 4:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Homie, Reading Can Be Fun

I didn’t say Vince was a better QB, in fact, I stated that he wasn’t. I did say he was more physically talented (he is) and that he can win in the 4thQ (he has) and that Aaron, so far, hasn’t.

But, actually, I am going to go one more step forward. I know that it is a bit unfair to judge a QB on one year of starting, I’ll give anyone that.

by Alphapotent on May 6, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Reading can be even more fun when it is reasonable

VY is not more physically talented at the QB position than Rodgers. Now, if you are talking about the RB position, then I agree with you wholeheartedly. But at the QB position Rodgers shows the ability to move around in the pocket and pick up some yards on the ground (not nearly as much as VY, sure) but he also has the ability to…wait for it…THROW THE FOOTBALL. That comes in pretty handy at the QB position from what I understand.

I can’t believe I’m actually arguing about whether or not Aaron Rodgers or Vince Young would be a better starting QB for the Packers.

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on May 6, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Alphaton

I did read the tail end of your post to hopefully see your reasoning. You’re probably right about Thompson wanting Favre to leave but I highly doubt it was for spotlight. Favre has been pulling the same move over and over for the last five years when it comes to mulling retirement and every year his decision came later and later. And his play was in decline so they needed to look toward the future. And how is it a boneheaded move? Maybe to all of you Favre sack hangers but to those of us with our face not buried in the sweaty part of his jock it was painfully obvious in January 2008 that he would never be able to lead this team to a Superbowl again.

Since 2000, Favre is 3-6 in playoff games including three home games where he was outplayed by Micheal Vick, Daunte Culpepper, and finally Eli Manning. His 2007 season was a mirage, he was a game manager helped greatly by his receivers leading the league in YAC, hell almost 2200 of his yards came from passes either thrown behind the line of scrimmage or between a length of one to ten yards.

Anyways, to conclude this. Is Rodgers going to lead us to a Superbowl? Who knows? He’s still young and will have many chances to improve his game. Will Favre? I can honestly say that since 2000 I have not thought Favre could do this, he is a perenial playoff choker who made most of his career accomplishments through the law of averages. But lucky for him he’ll be joining one of the league’s best when it comes to choking away big moments, maybe the two will offset each other and I can stop listening to all my MN friends cry about their pathetic team.

by HomieHippo on May 6, 2009 4:28 PM CDT reply actions   3 recs

Homie, One Valid Point

One of only a handful of things that I have thought was right and liked that has come from the new regieme, was not from TT but MM (Mike McCarthy). I did like the fact that he challenged Brett to be a better player and to flat out play better. I did think that step needed to be taken.

That being said, to try and lump the failures of the last several years at Brett’s feet can only mean that either you have a personal bias against the guy, or you have never actually seen a GB game for the last several years. I, myself, have never missed one. The REAL truth of the matter is that GB for the last 10 years has had a bad to mediocre team. Only a handful of players, outside of Brett Favre would have been relevent anywhere else and to prove that fact, the overwhelming majority could not get into or keep a steady starting line job with any other team after their departure. The only player I can think of, that I believe is still starting elsewhere (Seattle, I think) is Mike Whale, who would have resigned with GB for ANY MONEY, and TT just cut without any kind of sane justification or rationale at all!

Moreover, because of Mike Shermans poor attempts at creating physical conditioning program, the Pack were ALWAYS fighing one of the worst injury bugs in the league, The only Packer team more injured than the one that lost the home wild card game against Atlanta was the one we fielded in ’04. Yes that also improved under the new regieme, but, again, TT is not to credit, but Mike McCarthy.

As for your claim of Brett’s decline and that he threw mostly short passes in the ’07 season, again you should have watched some of these games, they were fun to watch man! While I will conceed a bit of a point that there were alot of short passes because WE COULD NOT RUN THE BALL until about week 9 or 10 (which Brett was counting for over 70% of our total point production with another 20% coming from the defense) I can remember at least 4 games that Brett won with the long ball and that there were multiple deep strikes in each of those games.

Again, however, I digress. My post was more about TT and his blame for the Brett drama than anything else. Yes, I still like Brett, yes I still think he can play and yes I would love to have him back or wish he would have never have left. I admit all of that. However, and please pay attention, this is the MAIN POINT:

TED THOMPSON IS A CANCER EATING AT THE PACKER ORGANIZATION! HE MUST GO!

Has GB been a better or worse team since TT’s arival? WORSE!

Is GB starting to regain a repuation of being “Siberia” for free agent talent? YES!

Has TT made moves that have hurt the success of GB on the field? YES!

What has TT done for GB that has earned any of this blind loyalty? NOTHING!

by Alphapotent on May 6, 2009 4:53 PM CDT reply actions  

The only player I can think of, that I believe is still starting elsewhere (Seattle, I think) is Mike Whale, who would have resigned with GB for ANY MONEY, and TT just cut without any kind of sane justification or rationale at all!

Alpha, you have no clue, do you?
The Packers were well over the cap at the time and Wahle was scheduled to have a cap # over $10 million that year.
 from JS archive

It appears the Packers will have to cut guard Mike Wahle in the next week.
They will be nearly $11 million over the cap, and Wahle is set to make over $10 million. He wants to be one of the highest paid guards in football and should be able to find that deal elsewhere.

I guess TT taking a team that was in salary cap hell and flipping it around within a couple years doesn’t count for anything.

Progressive teams like Pittsburgh and New England don’t keep players around for sentimental reasons, why should we? The second Tom Brady is no longer useful to New England, do you think Belicheck won’t hesitate to release him?

by juggernaut400 on May 6, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

TED THOMPSON IS A CANCER EATING AT THE PACKER ORGANIZATION! HE MUST GO!

Somebody didn’t pay attention to any of the offseasons since 2005.

By the way, I should mention the mess left by Mike Sherman that Thompson was left to clean up. Remember Joe Johnson/Jamal Reynolds/the contracts of Rivera and Wahle/etc.

"I'm so clean, cats think I sip Ajax."

by Mitchell Maurer on May 6, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exclamation points equal truth!!!

TED THOMPSON IS A CANCER EATING AT THE PACKER ORGANIZATION! HE MUST GO!

Has GB been a better or worse team since TT’s arival? WORSE!

Is GB starting to regain a repuation of being "Siberia" for free agent talent? YES!

Has TT made moves that have hurt the success of GB on the field? YES!

What has TT done for GB that has earned any of this blind loyalty? NOTHING!

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on May 6, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

also, !

"I'm so clean, cats think I sip Ajax."

by Mitchell Maurer on May 6, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1 and a rec

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on May 6, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Back to your frying self Verno329

You’ll be prepared when PackersinNC decides to mosey on over here.

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by jobe on May 6, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

the funny thing is I’m not even that big of Thompson fan. I like him but think he has made some mistakes over the years. But I just get irritated by those Favre fans who claim that TT is evil for “running off Brett.” If you still love Favre that is fine with me and I completely understand that. I still watch his old games I have on dvd and have great memories of everything that he has done over the years for the Packers. But claiming that Thompson is intentionally trying to do harm to the Packers is just crazy.

How are the O’s doing so far this year, jobe? I’ve dropped by Camden Chat a few times and I like it there

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on May 7, 2009 7:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Markakis and Adam Jones are the real deal

Nobody can stand to wait for Wieters anymore. We just want him up, but right now he’s hitting like .270 in AAA ‘cause nobody’s giving him anything to hit.
At the beginning of the year we thought Guthrie and Uehara would be fine at the top of the rotation. we were wrong, Guthrie hasn’t been very good.
All in all a worse April than we’re used to and the notion that we could ever finish fourth ahead of the Jays is pretty much out of the window.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on May 7, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Alpha

are you brett favre?

"si si Peeedro"

by trippingandy on May 6, 2009 5:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Tripping

No, but I am Ted Thompson, and I’m telling you, even I don’t like me!

by Alphapotent on May 6, 2009 5:15 PM CDT reply actions  

If it happens, I look forward to Favre leading Percy Harvin over the middle and right into a crushing hit from Nick Barnett. You know he’ll do it, and Harvin won’t know what hit him.

by Weldon on May 6, 2009 5:44 PM CDT reply actions  

HomieHippo typed:

Since 2000, Favre is 3-6 in playoff games including three home games where he was outplayed by Micheal Vick, Daunte Culpepper, and finally Eli Manning. His 2007 season was a mirage, he was a game manager helped greatly by his receivers leading the league in YAC, hell almost 2200 of his yards came from passes either thrown behind the line of scrimmage or between a length of one to ten yards.

And Alpha responded:

As for your claim of Brett’s decline and that he threw mostly short passes in the ’07 season, again you should have watched some of these games, they were fun to watch man! While I will conceed a bit of a point that there were alot of short passes because WE COULD NOT RUN THE BALL until about week 9 or 10 (which Brett was counting for over 70% of our total point production with another 20% coming from the defense) I can remember at least 4 games that Brett won with the long ball and that there were multiple deep strikes in each of those games.

I agree with you here Alpha. While Favre did predominantly throw shorter passes in 2007, he did go deep on many occasions. I would say that he won the Broncos and Chiefs games with deep throws. I’d like to know what those other two were though…since apparently I didn’t watch any of those games :^)~

The only Packer team more injured than the one that lost the home wild card game against Atlanta was the one we fielded in ’04.

Well, first of all, I assume that you mean the 2005 season instead of 2004 but thats neither here nor there. But who exactly was injured in that 2002 humiliation at home? Are you suggesting that Favre’s two picks (he also had another one called back because of a penalty) had nothing to do with it? Go ahead and click the Play-by-Play button and take a look at the game. By no means am I suggesting that Favre was solely responsible for that loss (this one is a different story however) but to blame that loss on some injuries is nonsense.

All of this, however, ignores the fact that Thompson helped turn a team that went 4-12 in 2005 into a 13-3 team that went to the NFC Championship in 2007 by sticking to his strategy of building a team through the draft. In no way whatsoever is Thompson infallible but he has had drafts that have produced 8 starters over his 4 years of running things, and 6 or 7 more guys who have contributed significantly. This cannot be ignored.

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on May 6, 2009 9:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Alpha

You’re concerned with the Packers being a Siberia of free agents but look at three of the more recent successful franchises in the league (Pittsburgh, New England, Indianapolis) those teams all tend to avoid signing or trading for big name free agents (with the exception of Moss) whereas teams who spend a lot like Minnesota and Washington tend to often fail. I would much rather the Packers avoid costly free agents likely to bust and build through the draft while letting go of veterans who are overpriced and over the hill. Too bad you’re not running the team though, we could have Favre play until he’s 58 and further pad his INT record.

by HomieHippo on May 6, 2009 10:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh the ache of it all.

I think it’s a little strange that Alpha is urging us to look at his logic and then admits that it is really a rant. A logical rant? Let’s talk about what’s really going on.

The problem is that huge upwelling of emotion that surrounds Brett for Alpha. Brett has done so many things well. He has been through so many tough spots and come through stronger. His story is almost mythic. If this myth has gotten into your soul, then reason becomes just another tool to keep the man on his pedestal.

And why does Alpha need reason? Because his idol has run up against the other deeply held emotion in Packerland: I have value because I support Green Bay. The shadow of this psychological crutch is: If you play for/support Green Bay’s rivals you are worthless. How to resolve this intense dissonance?

BLAME TT.

Alpha’s post should be required reading for any Psych 101 class. Such an intensely one sided view of the world with such obvious underlying motivation would be very instructional. The facts that support his case neatly arranged, the facts that contradict his view completely missing. A massive amount of work to keep that wonderful feeling that following Brett can bring and still be a Packer fan.

And what of the people disgusted with Brett? The “I’m going to burn my #4 shirt if Brett appears in purple” crowd? Obviously, they aren’t as agile as Alpha at self-deception. But is there any more logic in their position? Think of the joy Brett’s smile brought to so many games. Remember him throwing snowballs at the Seatle game? It is, after all, a game. For many years Brett reminded us of that while excelling none the less. For me those memories have great value.

More importantly, I think of Brett’s support of Koren Robinson. Doesn’t his helping a fellow human being beat the ravages of addiction matter more than his playing for a rival team? If you have your priorities anywhere near a reasonable place then his work for charities through the years will outway all of his other acheivements combined much less his playing against us for a year.

So, as Coach McCarthy said: If he want’s to play, let him play. If our offense can score on the first couple possessions I think he will start forcing the ball and our secondary will have a field day. Better that than having to stop AP all day with Sage forcing the safeties to play honest. I honestly believe we have a better chance of beating the Vikings if Brett is playing. So, go for it Brett.

And when the dust has settled, and the emotionally damaged have moved on to some new crutch, we will retire Brett’s number in Lambeau. And Brett’s records, his Packer records, will be that much more secure from the QBs that come after him because he will have had another year to pad his stats.

Have I missed anything?

by 50 years and Counting on May 6, 2009 10:39 PM CDT reply actions  

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