My all-time 53 man Packers team

by o.c.blazerfan on Jun 1, 2009 11:51 AM CDT Comment 14 comments

I am a Buffalo Bills fan. I am compiling all-time teams for all the other, lesser, teams in the league. (Just kidding - I wish the Bills had all the championships the Pack does!). Feel free to comment, agree, disagree or whatever. If you have a change tell me who you'd replace with who and why.

My All Time Packers Team

C- Jim Ringo, Larry McCarren
G- Jerry Kramer, Gale Gillingham, Mike Michalske, Fuzzy Thurston
T- Forrest Gregg, Cal Hubbard, Buford "Baby" Ray, Bob Skoronski
TE- Paul Coffman, Ron Kramer
WR- Don Hutson, James Lofton, Sterling Sharpe, Donald Driver, Antonio Freeman, Max McGee
QB- Bart Starr, Brett Favre, Cecil Isbell
FB- Jim Taylor, Clarke Hinkle
RB- Paul Hornung, Tony Canadeo, Ahman Green, Johnny "Blood" McNally
P- Max McGee (WR)
DT- Henry Jordan, Dave Hanner, Gilbert Brown, Robert Brown(1966-1973)
DE- Reggie White, Willie Davis, Lionel Aldridge, Ezra Johnson
MLB- Ray Nitschke, Nick Barnett, Jim Carter
LB- Dave Robinson, John Anderson, Tim Harris, Bill Forrester, Lee Roy Caffey
S- Willie Wood, LeRoy Butler, Bobby Dillon, Darren Sharper
CB- Herb Adderly, Willie Buchanon, Bob Jeter, Al Harris
K- Ryan Longwell
KR- Tony Canadeo (RB)
ST- Travis Jervey (RB)
Head Coach- Vince Lombardi

Great history here. Some very tough decisions. Curly Lambeau at coach, Travis Williams KR (1960's), Fred Carr LB, Boyd Dowler, Billy Howton and Carroll Dale WR, Lynn Dickey - QB, Marco Rivera - G, Chad Clifton - T, Frank Winters-C were all difficult not to include.

Packers with Bills Ties: (31) Sam Palumbo, Marcus Spriggs, Bobby Collins, JAMES LOFTON, Don Beebe, Preston Dennard, Russell Copeland, Vince Ferragamo, Scott Hunter, Kenneth Davis, Darick Holmes, Earl Edwards, Jerry Boyarsky, Keith McKenzie, George Cumby, Marv Matuszak, Bryce Paup, Wayne Simmons, Ron Pitts, Matt Bowen, Billy Jenkins, Billy Kinard, Mickey Sutton, Roland Mitchell, Mike Mercer, Joe Danelo, Booth Lusteg, Jim Ringo, Elijah Pitts, Hank Bullough, Floyd "Breezy" Reid

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If these are listed in order from first string down, then you have Favre, who set endurance/longevity-augmented volume records, and Starr, who set efficiency records and whose greatest ‘streak’ record was for consecutive pass attempts without an interception (an NFL record which, I believe, lasted for more than 20 years), REVERSED!!!

Go to
http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2103_The_definitive_list%3A_Top_10_NFL_quarterbacks.html
and pay particularly close attention to their justification of their choice for number one.

The Bears still suck!

by NorthStarr on Jun 1, 2009 10:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Agree completely

and was going to link to the exact same article

by aussie_cowboy on Jun 2, 2009 7:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bob Skoronski

Bob Skoronski (LT) over Clifton.
Bart Starr best explained why in an interview that he gave last fall to one of my favorite football websites to read (they agree so much with my independent opinions), Cold Hard Football Facts (The Truth Hurts).
Bart said,
“But a player who never gets mentioned, and I want to mention him, is our offensive captain Bob Skoronski, our left tackle, my blindside tackle.
I don’t think there’s an offensive tackle in the Hall of Fame who’s better than him. His grades were so close to (right tackle and Hall of Famer) Forrest Gregg’s that you couldn’t separate the two. I write a letter every year to the Hall of Fame committee. I don’t know how they can’t put him in.”

The Bears still suck!

by NorthStarr on Jun 1, 2009 10:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Cecil Isbell

I first became a Packer fan when Lynn Dickey was their starting QB so I’m a big fan of his, but Dickey was no Cecil Isbell. Isbell and Hutson were lethal in 1941 and 1942 when Hutson was the league MVP. Isbell has to go before Dickey.

Although I’m familiar with Isbell, and some of the other great players in franchise history, unfortunately I’m still learning my Packer history. I can’t say whether o.c. is right or wrong on many of these choices. Maybe some other readers can chime in.

by Brandon on Jun 2, 2009 12:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Good points

I’ll make a few changes, but want to get a little more input first. The info on Skoronski was great. That’s the kind of insider info you don’t get until you talk to true fans. Dickey and Clifton were good, but looks like Isbell and Skoronski would be better choices.

by o.c.blazerfan on Jun 2, 2009 11:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

More on Starr

Also, Bart Starr-led teams won FIVE world championships, while Brett Favre’s teams won only TWO NFC championships, playing in a conference that was the SAME SIZE as the NFL that Starr played in.
Starr was more efficient AND won more titles.

The Bears still suck!

by NorthStarr on Jun 3, 2009 4:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Any other opinions on Starr vs. Favre

NorthStarr is pretty convincing, especially with the COLD HARD FACTS link. Any of you other Packers fans have anything to say?

by o.c.blazerfan on Jun 3, 2009 11:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

It takes 22 players

I didn’t watch Starr’s career like I watched Favre’s, so I’m not the best judge. I’ve never tried to rank one over the other; each had a HoF career and are equal in that regard. But I don’t like the he-won-more-championships argument. The Packers had a very good team in the 1990s, the 1996 team was one of the best the NFL has ever seen, but the Packers were loaded with HoF talent in the 1960s. Starr and Favre each played an important, maybe the most important role, on all those championship teams, but the teams won those titles, not them personally. If they have to be ranked, it has to be done on something other than number of championships.

by Brandon on Jun 4, 2009 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

My final words on this.
Starr won more titles AND was more efficient.

Also, my opening post on this thread began with the qualifier, “If these are listed in order from first string down, then…”

The Bears still suck!

by NorthStarr on Jun 4, 2009 3:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

As pointed out in the link

Starr was putting up those efficient numbers in a time where the passing game wasn’t as protected as far as what you can’t do to recievers/passers, Starr is in the conversation for the single best quarterback ever, Favre is in the conversation for the most entertaining quarterback ever (and should take that title every time). Both are great and produced well for their eras, but Starr is a legit underrated QB with an amazing career as a player, which is nothing to take away from Brett but I’d have Starr first string, Favre second in this case.

by pharom on Jun 6, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Punter

Has everyone forgotten about Craig Hentrich? Man that kid could boot the ball. He also did kick offs during the 1996 super bowl season and I remember our special teams being huge during that season.

by Smeefers on Jun 4, 2009 7:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, Hentrich was going to be my punter

However, I wanted to save a roster spot, and Max McGee was a pretty good punter too. Right up there on the Packers all time punting stats, and I didn’t want to leave him off mainly because of his Super Bowl MVP.

Thanks for all the input you guys. You can see my other all-time teams at buffalobillsandblazers.blogspot.com

by o.c.blazerfan on Jun 4, 2009 11:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Um, McGee didn’t win the Super Bowl MVP.
He probably should have, though.
He had a deserving performance, even withOUT the other circumstaces concerning Max that weekend. :)

The Bears still suck!

by NorthStarr on Jun 4, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

My Bad, was it maybe STARR?

I don’t know why I had that in my head. Guess it was just that he had an incredible game after a night of carousing that made it stick in my mind as legendary.

by o.c.blazerfan on Jun 5, 2009 12:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs