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Position Analysis: Defensive Line

One item that has caught my eye when I'm reading reports from practice is that NT B.J. Raji or NT Johnny Jolly are playing defensive end. Jolly is now even listed as a defensive end on the roster at the Packers' website! So is DT Justin "Bustin" Harrell. A 320 lb. defensive end. They are getting serious about adding some bulk on the defensive line to shape up the run defense. And occupy some blockers so the linebackers can make some plays.

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These paragraphs on the Packers' awful run defense came straight from my analysis of the linebackers:

Now the Godfather, Dom Capers, is in town. He's brought with him the 3-4 defense, moved DE Aaron Kampman to outside linebacker, and GM Ted Thompson drafted OLB Clay Matthews to revamp the starting lineup around Hawk and Barnett.

Running defense in 2008. They were 7th worst last season allowing an awful 4.6 yards/carry. They also allowed a 1st down on 26.4% of opponent's rushing attempts; "good" for 3rd worst. They also seemed to collapse at key times last season, such as the overtime loss at Tennessee when the Titans just ran right at them on their first O.T. possession to set up the game losing FG.

The run defense was ranked 29th overall by Football Outsiders. The run defense was clearly bad and deserved the bad ranking, but it was good in 2007 (and great in 2006) so it can rebound.

Although I broke up the analysis of defensive line and linebackers, the entire front seven is part of the run defense. The cornerbacks and safeties should come up and help, but often something has gone wrong if someone in the secondary is making the stop on a running play.

The starters are probably set, but since I'm only expecting them to keep six defensive lineman, there should be a heck of a battle among the final six players for that one roster spot (and probably one more spot on the practice squad).

Starters:

NT B.J. Raji. He was drafted to anchor the new and improved run defense. We've got big expectations pinned on him, but he appears to have the talent to reach them. He should be starting on the strong side, over the right tackle. That would make him the left defensive end, but really he's just one of the two starting defensive tackles.

NT Ryan Pickett. If I had to give blame to one player for the bad run defense in 2008, although I do think the it was a group effort, I would blame ex-Packer DT Colin Cole. Good luck with that signing Seattle! But Pickett was M.I.A. for most of last season too. I've been a fan of his in the past, but 2008, for whatever reason, wasn't his year. Although he's a veteran and plays in the trenches, good defensive lineman can often have long NFL careers. Exhibit A: Teams keep signing DT Grady Jackson. Here's to hoping Pickett bounces back in 2009 as continues to anchor the middle of the line.

DE Cullen Jenkins. The only player under 330 lbs. expected to start on the defensive line. He's a great player. I was in shock when he was injured last season with a torn pectoral muscle. He should be able to recover from this injury, but we'll have to wait and see.

Backups:

NT Johnny Jolly. So far in practice, he's been playing a lot as Pickett has missed at least a couple practices. He should be the primary backup in a three-man rotation at NT and left-DE with Raji and Pickett. Assuming his June 26th trial goes in his favor.

DT Justin "Bustin" Harrell. I can't imagine they'll give up on the former 1st round pick unless he completely falls apart in the preseason. But I can't imagine he'll stay healthy for all 16 games either. I would expect he'll see limited time behind Jolly, Raji, and Pickett, which might become significant time if Jolly's legal problems keep him out.

The final backup spot should be someone to play behind Jenkins as the right-DE. Depending on how Jenkins' recovery is going, this player might even find himself as the starter.

  • DE Michael Montgomery. He was a 6th round pick in GM Ted Thompson's 1st draft (2005) and he's managed to hang on for four seasons. He even managed to start 8 games last season. He checked out the free agent market for a couple weeks before resigning in mid-March. He'd have to be considered the front runner.
  • DE Jarius Wynn. He might have an advantage as one of this April's 6th round draft choices. He's a talented player who never quite played up to it at Georgia.
  • DE Alfred Malone. He was listed as a tackle when they ran the 4-3, but now he's an end. He might have an advantage since he spent all of last season either on the Packers' practice squad or active roster.
  • DE Anthony Toribio. The undrafted free agent signed with Miami in 2008, was on the Dolphins' practice squad for most of the year, and then was signed to the Packers' practice squad last November. He even made it to the active roster in December, although he didn't make it into any games.
  • DE Ronald Talley and DE/NT Dean Muhtadi. The pair were undrafted in this April's draft. They are probably playing for a spot on the practice squad. The edge might go to Talley since he was signed immediately after the draft, while Muhtadi only received an invite and had to earn his contract during the rookie camp.

Raji's addition alone greatly improves this unit. Otherwise it's comprised mostly of the same players who struggled in 2008. They've got a lot to prove in 2009.

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I read somewhere that

the team wants Pickett to take alot of snaps at end. Am I the only that thinks thats kind of an odd fit?

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by jobe on Jun 19, 2009 12:24 PM CDT reply actions  

you're not alone

Raji I can understand taking some snaps at end if they want both he and Pickett on the field at some time but it doesn’t make much sense to me to reverse those roles and have Pickett play at end while Raji is on the nose. I guess flexibility is nice but I definitely question that thinking as well.

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Jun 19, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

what happened to April FA signing Brian Soi? DT? Backup/Practice Squad?

by Jmcb on Jun 19, 2009 1:20 PM CDT reply actions  

If Pickett couldn’t clog up the middle of the line last year in the 4-3, what makes anyone think he will do it in the 3-4 when it’s twice as difficult!? Do people like Pickett because he’s a former 1st Round Pick? He is highly overrated. Sure, give him a shot at NT, but Raji is far more athletic and stronger, so he is the better fit at NT. I’d make Pickett the backup NT and DE in some sort of a rotation system keeping those guys healthy. Starters: RE- Cullen Jenkins DT- BJ Raji LE- Ryan Pickett. Keep Montgomery, Harrell, Jolly, etc in the rotation with both of the DE positions while Pickett will occasionally takes snaps as the NT to give Raji some breaks during long drives.

by Jabooty on Jun 20, 2009 1:07 PM CDT reply actions  

this

and i assume this is what will happen.

Selgy

by mittens on Jun 22, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

I dunno

A lot of people feel that Pickett isn’t very good, and I’m not sure why. I thought he did fine last year as a DT. He was double teamed on nearly every run play, and the middle wasn’t where we gave up a lot yards. We couldn’t stop the off tackle runs, especially to the right to save our life. He will still be getting double teamed this year, but it’s different because instead of just Barnett being behind him, Hawk will also be there. Him being double teamed will open things up for Barnett and Hawk to make the play, both who I think are more then capable of doing so.

I like that we seem to be going with more of a “run dline”. With all these big bodies and Jenkins (who is great against the run) I think it will make our D more difficult to run on. This could have a negative effect on our pressure against the pass, but I feel our secondary is good enough to make up for whatever negative effect it will have. I know a lot of people feel this season for us is going to be a “rebuliding one” but I really don’t think so. I know it’s hard to transition to the 3-4, but I really think we have the personnel to make the switch without it really hurting us. Obviously I am very biased and I could just think all of this because I want us to do well, but I really think we will.

by packallday555 on Jun 22, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

The key to the 3-4 Defense is the NT. Without a stout NT, the 3-4 is essentially useless. That’s how you can distinguish the difference between the good 3-4 teams to the pathetic 3-4 teams. The Jets were the only exception last year as they did not have a good LB corp.

by Jabooty on Jun 20, 2009 1:09 PM CDT reply actions  

DL

I am really interested to see if Harrell can step up and take the LDE spot! He seems to be the most gifted and best fit for the 34 DE, than anyone else on the team! Jenkins should do well, but he’s not really built like a traditional 34 DE. I think if Jenkins can hold down the RDE, move Harrell to LDE and see what he can do… Not that I want to count on him, you MUST have another option, but he could become a really good DE in this D. Get him down to 310 or less, and he could turn out to be a good draft choice after all!

I don’t think we’ll see to much of Raji or Pickett at DE to be honest! Between the 2 of them, I want to see a rotation to keep them fresh so they can make plays and be strong at the point of attack. Beside taking his snaps at NT, Raji is also going to be a DT in the 4 man DL when they play it, which could be as much as 50% of the time. So Raji, IMO, will get MORE than enough snaps between NT and DT. Give Pickett about 1/3 of the snaps, Raji the rest.

by Strohman on Jun 20, 2009 8:59 PM CDT reply actions  

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