Brett Favre To Stay Retired
by Brandon on Jul 29, 2009 12:00 AM CDT
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PrintSince the guys over at Daily Norseman have a much larger stake in the unretirement of QB Brett Favre, they've been all over his still retirement, and I've been watching from afar. The source of the news is Vikings head coach Brad Childress himself:
Judd just received a phone call from Brad Childress who said he talked to Brett Favre and that he was informed that Favre is staying retired. Childress cited the daily grind both mentally and physically as part of the reason why Favre remained retired.
It's been a major let down for them; months of pursuit amounts to nothing:
To be put in an extremely uncomfortable position as the team heads to training camp this week? To now have to convince T-Jack and Sage that it was nothing personal? That the three month drama about replacing them shouldn't be taken as an insult, and that they should move forward as if nothing happened?
The best thing to do is just forget about it, and get excited about defending the NFC North division title:
Am I angry or disappointed? Nope. Not even a little bit.
Why am I not angry or disappointed? Because the wonderful thing about this resolution to the Favre situation is this:
The Minnesota Vikings are still, with or without Brett Favre, the best and most talented team in the NFC North.
But it won't be easy:
Good stuff from both guys, but obviously, the process of smoothing things over and looking forward has just begun. That's where this team will really be looking to its veterans for some leadership. The bottom line is that whichever quarterback wins the training camp battle will know he wasn't the team's first choice for the starting job. Moving beyond this ugly episode is certainly doable, but it also won't be easy.
Bottom line; although Favre is about to turn 40 during the upcoming season, he was still better in 2008 then either QB Tarvaris Jackson or QB Sage Rosenfels. The Vikings can beat the Packers next season, but neither of those QBs will. They'll have to beat them with their running game or their defense.
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What a bunch of pompous douchebags.
Yes, they have the best running game and the best run defense in the league but the team is one dimensional. They’re average or worse when it comes to pass offense and defense and when a defense as a whole gives up 20 points a game, they are far from the best. To think they are clear and a way the favorite to win the division is ludicrous. Then again, when you’ve only won it twice this decade, I suppose you need some kind of a reason to be an ass.
The Packers are only two years removed from a 13-3 season and are still 5-1 against Chilly and Peterson.
D-Fense
Okay, let’s face facts. In the NFC North, Defense wins football games. If you look at our record last year, our defense lost the games. Aaron Rodgers didn’t try to win games for us, but he didn’t lose any either. He’s not Brett. If Brett threw into double coverage and got picked, we gave him a pass, by and large. If Dom Capers and Kevin Greene can get the 3-4 running, the Packers will be a force to be reckoned with not only in the North, but the NFL as a whole. Also, why do all the sports guys always pick the Cryboys to be in the Playoffs? Is it Tony Homo, or the fact that they could be a good mediocre team? They are truly mediocre at best, they will have no offensive punch this season. I can’t remember if we have them this year, but I hope we do, I hope it’s at Lambeau and that we leave Tony Homo a white and blue smear on the Tundra!
Good for us ...
…. for now….
Brett Favre has been know to change his mind. But let’s hope he does stay retired this time. That way us Packer fans can get back to remembering him as one of the greatest ever to wear green and gold. Get his number retired, and his name in it’s rightfull place, in the ring of honor at Lambeau. (when he and TT eventually patch things up)
Rigth now we don’t have to wory about Favre ripping apart our pass defence twice this season, they have to try to beat us only running the ball.
So were does this leave Favre and the Packers, hopefully most fans will soon forget this little flirt with the Viqueens, I surley don’t blame him to much for it, most likely it was Childress who called Favre first, and in human nature, it’s quite normal to be interessted in something when you feel wanted, and it shouldn’t be to hard to understand Favre wanting to play for them, he could kill two birds with one stone, get his revenge on TT (we all know he wanted that) and make a serious run at one last SB.
The Viqueens will now have a very though time to go 8-8, like biggun33 is right on the money about their defense.
On offense they are bursting with enormous talent, except for their average wr’s and not so good QB’s, Brett Favre would have added that missing piece in their offense. He’s worked wonders with average wr’s before, in fact he almost worked wonders with those crappy Jets wr’s last season.
But back to the inability to make up his mind, earlier this may have been a little headace for the Packers, but this time it turned in to a huge one for the Viqueens (which is good for us…) The mess this has created in their locker room, Childress, A.P, Jarred Allen and god know whom else called Favre to try to convince him to play, it shows no one has very much confidence in T-Jack or Rosenfeld, they will not be able to play very well in 2009.
Go Pack Go !!
Did you watch Favre at all last year?
He only threw twenty two interceptions. You think some of those passes he tries to squeeze in wouldn’t get picked by our D-Backs. Please, take off the Favre-tinted glasses.
The Vikings will be better than 8-8 this year, I’m pretty sure of that. They did manage to put together a darn good defense all without their starting MLB for most of the year, Who I will begrudgingly admit is underrated. (I’m talking about EJ Henderson.)
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Well timed Mr. Waffles
On a day that should be dominated by MLB trade talk and chatter. Favre decides to drop them bomb. What a media savage! Its so sad that it all had to turn out this way.
Oz+Coop+Hawk= baseball trinity
Favre is possible the most famous NFL player of his time and certainly should be in the Hall of Fame.
Also, I have no problem with his name going up in the ring of honor.
But, neither of those tributes puts him in as exclusive of a club as having his number retired, and this is where I have issues.
Just what, exactly, does Brett deserve to have his number retired for?
One single championship?
Does that mean that Trent Dilfer should have his number retired by the Ravens?
Brad Johnson by the Buccanneers?
Shouldn’t the Redskins retire Mark Rypien’s number?
Each one of those guys won as many titles for their team as Favre led the Packers to.
Favre’s lone championship was due as much to the quality of his teammates and the coaching of (and control by) Mike Holmgren as it was due to Brett.
IMO, there were several quarterbacks in the league in 1996 who could have won a Super Bowl with that Packers team.
Brett Favre holds many longevity/endurence-based volume records (including the one for most interceptions thrown).
However, he does not hold any efficiency records that I am aware of.
Those are the mark of a truly great quarterback.
Hell, no, he doesn’t deserve to have his number retired.
Not by the tradition-and-championship-rich GREEN BAY PACKERS!
The glass is more than half-full.
My feelings on Favre are hardly glowing now but...
…I can’t buy an argument that his number doesn’t deserve to be retired. I agree that Favre did not win that championship on his own, by any means, but to put him on a level of Dilfer, Johnson, and Rypien is rather extreme. You seem to be using his longevity (and durability btw) against him by claiming that the only reason he has those records is because he played a long time. By that logic Steve DeBerg should have all kinds of records as well, after all he played 17 years.
I have lost most of respect and admiration for Favre as a person over the past two years or so but that doesn’t stop me from admiring the player that he was on the field. He really was great, maybe not the greatest of all time, but still great.
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
Actually, the only comparison I made between Favre and Dilfer, Johnson and Rypien was for the number of championships (ONE) that they each won.
I’d like to see a quarterback lead my team to more than one title (especially, in sixteen years!) before I see his number retired.
My point about Favre not winning that championship by himself was secondary to the point that he only won one!
As for the argument about his records, I’d have to say no, that Steve DeBerg shouldn’t necessarily have all kinds of records, just because he played seventeen years – for several reasons, among which are that he was not always a starter and the fact that there have been many quarterbacks who have played fifteen or more years; they can’t ALL have the records, solely because of their longevity.
Favre’s possesion of the records only (argueably) indicates that he is the best of those who have.
But, allow me to show you the flip side of the DeBerg coin.
There have been many great quarterbacks who didn’t enjoy the luxury of being able to play nearly that long, for whatever reason.
Who can say how many of his records Favre would hold if they had?
There is quite a difference between volume records and efficiency records.
The main one is that the latter have been shown to be more closely connected with winning!
The reasons for which you’d like to see Brett’s #4 retired are all excellent qualifications for induction into the Hall of Fame and for inclusion in the ring of honor, which I have already stated that I am in favor of, but, I just don’t think that volume records and a single title should be enough for his number to be retired.
The glass is more than half-full.
Favre is not the person I once thought, either
But, to cut him down for only getting one title is a bit extreme. Each of Dilfer, Johnson, and Rypien were essentially one-hit wonders, who happened to get a championship in their best seasons. Favre is a three-time MVP, who took his team to a second Super Bowl, which many admit was an excellent game (and which was lost as much by having a short-handed DL as any other reason), despite our Packers losing. Furthermore, the Packers were only blocked from another trip to the Super Bowl by the last team in the Cowboy mini-dynasty in 1995.
Additionally, to focus only on the one title is to ignore that such a standard is not exactly consistent throughout all NFL history. Winning a title when there were only 10 teams is not quite the same as trying to get one when there are 32.
Finally, the stat that you seem to be ignoring is the fact that no NFL QB in history has won more starts than Brett Favre. He is the iron horse of the NFL, but he also has done that by performing at an incredibly high level with the three MVPs and all of those wins. I think that once the bitterness from his flirtations with other teams and retirement hokey-pokey subside, he should be the last number four that Packer fans will know.
Let's even up the standard, then
Additionally, to focus only on the one title is to ignore that such a standard is not exactly consistent throughout all NFL history. Winning a title when there were only 10 teams is not quite the same as trying to get one when there are 32.
Bart Starr played at a time when the NFL ranged in size from 14 to 16 teams.
Bart and the Packers won five league championships in a seven year span.
Brett Favre played at a time when the NFC ranged in size from 14 to 16 teams.
Brett and the Packers won two conference championships in 16 years.
Bart deserves to be in the Hall of Fame and have his number retired.
Brett deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.
Just my opinion, though.
The glass is more than half-full.
Of course, you are perfectly entitled to your opinion...
Just to clarify, though… is Bart Starr now the minimum standard for establishing whether a number should be retired? Considering also that Starr played with a slew of NFL Hall of Fame teammates, I also do not know that you still have “evened the standard.” How many of Favre’s teammates will be in the NFL Hall of Fame? Reggie White makes one…
I ask these questions, because I recall the barren wasteland that was the Packer QBs between Bart Starr and Brett Favre. Another QB of such caliber may not be seen again in a Packer uniform for a very long time.
I hate replying a second time, but...
in replying to the Lions fan on another thread, I came up with the idea of compiling from the all-time Packer roster a list of all quarterbacks in Packer history who were active for at least 10 games. The list is quite interesting, IMHO.
After Starr and Favre, the only other QB to have more than 100 games is Lynn Dickey. Tobin Rote had 84 games.
Absolutely Dickey
I’ve often wondered what Dickey might have been able to accomplish with defensive teammates like the Packers had 10-15 years later, instead of that attrocious units like the one that gave up 47 points to the Redskins in 1983.
Just imagine – Dickey, Lofton, Jefferson and Coffman with top-ranked defense.
The glass is more than half-full.
the timeing ?
On a day that should be dominated by MLB trade talk and chatter. Favre decides to drop them bomb. What a media savage! Its so sad that it all had to turn out this way.
According to ESPNs Ed Werder, ( http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfcnorth/0-12-227/Digging-out-of-Minnesota-s-self-inflicted-hole.html?post=true)
Favre informed the Vikings about his decission 10 days ago, and Childress and several Viking players spent this last days trying to make him change his mind again…..
So the timing for this is only to blame on the Viqueens management, and not Brett Favre !
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