Why Brett Favre Has Betrayed the Green Bay Packers
The idea that QB Brett Favre has somehow betrayed the Green Bay Packers is something that I've had a problem with. Although he retired in March 2008, he came back that August. Instead of welcoming him back, they traded him away to New York. The organization, in the end, turned their back on him. So if he has changed his mind and decided to continue to play football, then he has the right to make $12 million and play football where ever he wants. Grow up; the NFL is a business, and Favre and the Packers should treat this like a business.
Favre, from JSOnlilne.com:
"If you're a true Packer fan, you understand. You say, 'You know what? He chose to continue playing, they chose to go in a different direction, it's part of the business.' "
Well that's one point of view. But that's not mine. This is about commitment.
What hasn't crossed Favre's mind is that, in the end, he wasn't committed to the Green Bay Packers. He turned his back on his career and the organization in March 2008. He dumped them.
If he changed his mind in April 2008, or May 2008, maybe there could have been a reconcilation. But he waited way, way too long. He decided he didn't want to deal with the messy/boring stuff, like offseason work and training camp. He only wants to be involved when it's convenient for him. He isn't 100% committed to them.
At some point the Packers organization had to say enough. He's in-and-out as it suits him, and they've got lives of their own. It's time for them to move on. They can't sit around for five months and wonder if you'll really come back when they've got another talented QB in Aaron Rodgers who has shown that he's 100% committed. They aren't going to be played like a fool anymore.
Again from JSOnline.com, Vikings head coach Brad Childress, without a hint of irony:
"He had to feel good about it," said Childress. "He understands you have to be 100% committed. He understands and I understand what the commitment is for an NFL season to dive in. He had to be all in."
And of all the other NFL teams, he just had to choose the one he knew they really didn't want him to play for. Actions speak louder than words, once again from JSOnline.com:
"This is not about revenge, believe me."
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I don't care who Favre plays for
He’s a grown man, the Packers let him go, he can play wherever he chooses. The part that bothers me is his roundabout way of doing things and how he can never seem to just give an honest answer about his intentions. He pulled it with Green Bay a year ago when he retired, then unretired hoping the Packers would release him. He lied about wanting to play in New York and now even as much as I dislike the Vikings, he has screwed them over as well. He had to pull the “I just don’t think I’m dedicated for the season” comments even though everyone knew he just didn’t want to report to camp and would be back eventually.
I’m actually happy he decided to come back though, in my opinion he already did damage three weeks ago by stringing the Vikes along for three months only to decide against retirement. But now that he has signed, his anti social behavior and Childress’ loss of respect to the fans and players will cause locker room tension just like in New York last year. That combined with the fact that every media outlet will make the Vikes a trendy Superbowl pick (Has anyone watched a Brett Favre playoff game over the last ten years? He is almost always awful in the clutch) so with all these expectations and distractions I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Vikings fall below them. It’s like our offseason last year, we had the Favre media circus, we had the high expectations coming off a 13-3 season and NFC championship appearance (Refer to that game for Favre’s playoff heroics) and we fell flat because I think we were more focused on Favre than the upcoming season.
It’s always a detriment to focus so much on one player, as others feel alienated and then it creates locker room issues, distrust, and other distractions. So hold on to your old # 4 jerseys Packers fans, because in trying to get back at the Packers, Favre may have done more damage to our rivals than you know.
by Charlie Kelly on Aug 19, 2009 8:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well Said...
There will be a lot of “Friction” in ViQueen Land this year and this will be Brad Childress’ last season in Minnesota. Favre can play wherever he wants, so I don’t understand all the hype….we will see what happens this year….for sure it will be interesting to see it all unfold.
by Buddyruff on Aug 19, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Total Agreement
I believe I was 15 years old when I started watching football (son of avid Packer fans), and the first game I sat down to watch in its entirety just so happened to be Favre’s very first game: anybody remember his first completion? That’s right . . . it was to himself. That’s just one memory among many others that he gave to the fans, and not one of us can deny that watching him was as exhilarating as it was frustrating.
I grew up watching Favre. For better or worse he was the quarterback for the Green Bay Packers: his gunslinging arm could spell savior or disaster. I remember over the course of his career sliding to the edge of my seat with both anticipation and dread as he unleashed a deep ball: in the early years it was mostly the former: in the later years it was unfortunately more of the later.
Charlie’s comments are definitely the most comprehensive critique on Favre that I’ve read over the past few years; and while true, it saddens me how my hero has fallen. But at the same time it sickened me to hear how Packers fans divided themselves between Favre fans and Packer fans. To think that Aaron Rodgers almost got booed in Lambeau Field on the first start of his career because of Favre’s retirement decisions/indecisions is unforgiveable. Players come and go, but the team stays. Green Bay might be the only team where this is an absolute truth because of the stockholders, and that’s why the Packers are so special, why there’s a waiting list for season tickets, and why stepping into Lambeau field will give any true fan goosebumps.
No matter who’s at the “helm” of the Packers, we as fans should support the players that give their all to the TEAM. Whether or not Favre was one of them in the winter of his career is debatable: but what’s not debatable is that we have a team that needs our support: that practices every day in the hopes of returning the team to glory (much like Favre did).
Another Favre drama splitting the fans will cause more damage to the team than any player retiring, getting fired, etc. ever could. My one hope this season is to watch the game and actually hear about the players on the field instead of a player that’s been gone for a second consecutive season. Let’s get behind the team we have and leave the drama of the past behind us!
Go Pack!
by silverwolf99 on Aug 21, 2009 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Favre Way
Yes, football is a business, but it is a business that has a calendar and established practices for teams and players. Favre is the one that has decided to operate outside the established practices (retiring and unretiring, missing camp, etc.). Saying that the Packers turned their backs on him is ridiculous – they gave him every reasonable opportunity to return. The Packers didn’t go in a different direction, they went in the only direction they could with the knowledge that Favre wouldn’t return (that is what he told them and the world a number of times). The Packers realized that this type of disruption was not worth his level of talent (I was a HUGE Favre fan – but he is NOT what he once was). The Jets learned this the hard way (New York was talking that well of Brett at the end of last year), and the Vikings will learn this year… and that is good for the Packers.
GO PACK… and Brett, well.. break a leg.
by Caboola King on Aug 19, 2009 8:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
All about Favre
This transition started 4 years ago with “he needed time to get away from football”. Each year that time got longer and longer until he couldn’t give the Packers a true answer until training camp. That isn’t 100% committed to the team. Favre decided he couldn’t be a Packer long before the Packers organization told him “we’ve had enough”. But when they did that, he took it as you can’t play anymore! Now he will do anything to show the Packers he CAN still play. His feelings are hurt and he isn’t getting the royal treatment anymore. Now he is with the team he wanted last year, which was probably his and Chilly’s plan all along. Favre wasn’t happy going to the Jets and the players there found that out the hard way. Now the Vikings are going down that road of destruction with him. So I want to Thank the Vikings for doing the only thing that could have stopped them year, hiring Brett Favre. Thank You!!
And Brett, please stop the pretense that this isn’t about revenge. Everyone knows it is and listen to your body. It’s time you hang up your shoes on a historical career!
by Yooper5379 on Aug 19, 2009 9:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
road of destruction
yet another High IQ. I love the way any Favre move can jerk these juggle heads cheese loose. Its all about you dummys. Its all about how something you really know little about has caused you to reveal your limited abilty/IQ. Get some help.
How's it taste THOMPSON YOU MORON
by 4 where-ever on Aug 19, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
another blind viking fan
I am one Packers Fan that is glad Brett is with your team! Really!! You guys are looking at the Brett of 10 years ago , not the old man he is today. But yes, your right, he is still a very good QB …. for the first 8 or 9 games. Then fatigue sets in. Then you have the interception king! You’ll learn that it is all about Favre.
by Yooper5379 on Aug 19, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
when I go for help I’ll be sure to consult you. thankfully you have all of the answers and present yourself in an intelligent way. we can all learn from such an esteemed scholar of football such as yourself.
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Aug 19, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha Favre
Is a diva. The fact that he thought he could retire, and then 5 months later come back shows how “limited” his IQ is. Yooper was spot on with everything he said. He can’t get enough attention. He has contradicted himself about everything he has ever said about his retirement. I would go and find the quotes but I’m not going to waste my time with Favre. He handled last offseason like a 16 year old girl, and thinks he is the greatest thing to walk the earth. Thing is..he’s not!
So please 4 where-ever you get some help.
by packallday555 on Aug 19, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good post, Brandon
Another thing I don’t understand is why so many people feel Sage CURRENTLY is equal to or better than Favre. Some point to how Favre ended last season…..but was’nt he injured? I’m more impressed with what he did to start 2008, with little practice time and a pissywhiney Coles. Sage’s last 4 games were nothing impressive(http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5557)
Brett has some cupcake Def.s to start 2009. He’ll be tuneed in by the time we play Minn.
by Squatbulk on Aug 19, 2009 9:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It is about revenge...
Had to chime in from the Daily Norseman about that last quote. Brett is definitely lying when he says it isn’t about revenge. (I know, shocker, Brett lying about something, right?) He probably doesn’t want revenge against the Packers players or fans, but you’re nuts if you don’t think he wants to stick it to Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy good and hard.
by ericj69 on Aug 19, 2009 9:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Revenge
Your absolutely right about it not being aimed at the players or the fans. It’s just for Ted and Mike!
by Yooper5379 on Aug 19, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he can’t comprehend how his fans and former teammates can’t see it that way. Oh well, the world will keep revolving around Brett Favre. The NFL only exists to give us an avenue for enjoying his existence.
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Aug 19, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Good ol' Boy image of death
Get past the Wrangler Jeans and the cut off tee shirt and the old hat and what you have is a spoiled, money hungry, spotlight grabbing, special treatment seeking turd. Kudos to TT and the Packers organization for not allowing the inmates to run the asylum. I hope Kampman gets a ten yard start and sticks his helmet right into his sternum
by Wade V on Aug 19, 2009 9:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a Packers fan but....
The way Favre has been whaffling on retirement is what I’m tired off. It’s the whole will he or won’t he. He will always be one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, but I do think the whaffling towards the end of his career will hurt his image among NFL fans.
by 49er16 on Aug 19, 2009 9:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Favre
Green Bay could have signed Favre two years ago instead of letting him leave. So why is everyone now complaining that he is playing elsewhere? The man has every right to retire or unretire a thousand times if he chooses — deal with it. He doesn’t answer to any of us as to whether he waffles or doesn’t waffle. Furthermore, Favre’s comments about the real Green Bay fans understanding is right on — it is only because Green Bay fans know he is still good enough to beat them that they are reacting as they are. Otherwise, they would be glad Minnesota was getting a washed up quarterback.
by dklml2 on Aug 19, 2009 10:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not the fact he retired
It’s the reason he retired. He’s retiring/unretiring to beat the system. Heck, if he gets injured in week 3 (broken wrist, etc), he can just retire mid season, then unretire before week 15 or so when he’s healthy again. It’s the blatant disregard for the spirit of the system which has a lot of people mad.
by Danwood on Aug 19, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Green Bay could have signed Favre two years ago instead of letting him leave"
Um, what the heck are you talking about? Favre was signed two years ago. He was under contract when he retired and he was under contract when he unretired. This simple reality (albeit one you seem to have trouble grasping) is evidenced by the fact that the Packers traded Favre. Teams usually cannot trade players they haven’t signed.
As to whether Favre is “still good enough to beat them”, no one will know until the games are played. Personally, I relish the confrontation. I think a Packers victory over a Favre led Vikings squad will be extremely cathartic and I can’t wait for the showdown.
by 400metres on Aug 19, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is this "everyone" you speak of?
There are plenty of fans that I have seen posting here (myself included) who are not complaining about his playing elsewhere. On the contrary, I personally think that it offers an awesome opportunity to Rodgers to prove himself and is an amusing new installment in the Viking follies.
What an interesting peek inside the psyche of some Viking fans, that they reacted to Favre’s plane arrival as if the Beetles had just come to town. Now, think about how deep some of the jealousy for the top Brett years must be. Even though Brett was never good against the Vikings, the Packers won a championship and made the playoffs most every season of his career here. How badly do those fans chasing after Brett want even a piece of that?
Think about what it says about the Viking franchise’s view of itself, that it is so willing to be used and abused. Brett is only able to get away with “gaming” the system to skip training camp because the Vikings are willing to enable it. Think about how absurd it was to cough up a contract for more than 10 mill per season when NO ONE ELSE WAS BIDDING. It is almost like decades of perpetual disappointment have given everyone in the Viking front office the most severe case of delusional rose-colored vision.
Maybe I am wrong and Brett really is the missing piece that gets the Vikings that much coveted Lombardi Trophy. I strongly doubt it, though.
by NYCPac on Aug 19, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
I live in Minneapolis and as I was watching the news, if they didn’t say anything about Brett Favre I would’ve thought maybe the President was in town. It was one of the saddest things I’ve seen. And if they think they’re going to get the Brett of 97, they’re sadly mistaken. One of the reasons Brett played well during the Superbowl years was we had a strong coach in Holmgren who wouldn’t cater to Favre or his ego. Childress on the other hand has already shown before Favre stepped on that plane to St Paul that he will enable Favre’s bad behavior to the fullest and will let him do what he want. (Maybe next they’ll try and trade Peterson for Moss, or sign Mike Wahle)
This season and this move have disaster written all over it, Favre isn’t commited to the Vikings. Favre is commited to beating the Packers twice this year and you can bet in both those games he will make several errant passes, because do you think Favre will be content with beating the Packers by managing a game while giving the ball to Peterson? This whole thing reeks of desperation on the parts of Groucho Wilf and Childress. Groucho knows his new stadium won’t go without asses in the seats of the dome or some important wins, and Childress knows this is his last year if they don’t do something big.
by Charlie Kelly on Aug 19, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Vikings Folly"?
Was the folly when they won the division last year? Without a QB?
Or was the folly when they somehow put a mediocre curse on the Packers that caused them to finish 6-10? Was that the folly?
And as far as Viking “jealousy” goes, I’m not sure their jealousy and bitterness of the Packer-led Brett Favre could be any more obvious and palpable than the Packer fans are feeling now about a QB who hasn’t been on their team in 2 SEASONS.
Packer fans are starting to sound more and more like a jilted girlfriend desperately trying to stay involved in the life of a boyfriend who no longer wants them and has quite obviously moved past them.
Embarrassing, actually.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Aug 19, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When he was talking about Vikings follies
He was probably referring to the many mistakes and unfortunate things that happened.
- Nathan Poole
- 98 NFC Championship
- 99 NFC Championship
- Herchel Walker
- Trading Moss for Napolean Harris and Troy Williamson
- Boat Party
- 0-4 in Superbowls
- 34-0
- The Antonio Freeman catch
- The eventual move to LA (At least the weather will be nice and like the Lakers, they might win a title)
But hey, I’m sure winning their second division title this decade (Then losing first round) was a major accomplishment, but they’ll fix that by paying a 40 year old QB who is often terrible in the playoffs 12 million this year.
by Charlie Kelly on Aug 19, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
It's interesting.......
1. That Packer fans can vilify and name all the horrible things that can be called “folly” of another storied franchise like the Vikings yet they conveniently forget that from 1968 to Favre’s arrival in 1992 your “storied” franchise had a grand total of 4 WINNING SEASONS? And on several occasions finishing with less than 5 wins? Was there “folly” in your organization then?
2. And now Packer fans are going to vilify and hang in effigy the very player who carried your “storied” franchise out of the dark ages and brought a modicum of respect to Titletown because he and the team handled a situation poorly? But Aaron Rodgers is going to carry the banner of the new hero and deity on the heels of a 6-10 season?
Interesting, indeed.
Puh-leeze.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Aug 19, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very interesting...
1. If you want to list off a number of follies of the Packers that’s fine, go ahead and talk about 1968 or whatever. The difference is most of the ones I listed are from this decade are at least the last fifteen years. But if you want to regale us with tales of the late sixties and seventies I’d be happy to hear them.
2. Read my post below, Favre didn’t carry any team out of the dark ages. Favre was part of that group (Favre, Wolf, Holmgren, Reggie) but if it wasn’t for the Packers giving the pill popping alcoholic QB on his way out of the league a chance to redeem himself, and Holmgren is a major part of Favre’s MVP success (Notice how bad his play dropped after Holmgren left) But hey, like I also said I hold no grudge for Favre he can do what he wants, he’s a grown man (Although I wish he would’ve acted like one during all this)
by Charlie Kelly on Aug 19, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Intersting you'd say that....
Because Packer fans have been living on that “Titletown” moniker for just about forever and yet the team that plays in Titletown has won a whopping 1 TITLE since the glory years of the mid to late 60’s.
So if anyone is living on tales of ancient history, it’s time Packer fans and their team took a good long look in the mirror.
But maybe YOU can regale ME with some Packers history from eons ago.
What a joke.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Aug 19, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting you'd say that.....
but the people of Green Bay have immense pride in their team win or lose and their storied history is a huge part of that pride. Whether it’s relevant or not is up for debate, but at least they aren’t bandwagoning front runners like Vikings fans (Or Lakers fans for that matter since you seem to be a fan)
Am I going to tell you stories of that past? No, I was born in 87 and don’t know much about that past. But I can tell you that the Packers are above one player whether he be Brett Favre or Bart Starr and even though they might go through down times, they’ll be back,
by Charlie Kelly on Aug 19, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very typical.
Gloss over a point where you were obviously proven to be “historical revisionist”.
You try to make a point by making fun of me talking about history and yet the entire basis for the worth of your franchise is BASED ON HISTORY. And you use history in your rebuttal!
Do you see your own hipocrisy?
And since you were born in 87 and (in your own words) don’t know much about the past, doesn’t that make you a “front runner” as well? You know, since you’re only going with the current?
Can you see your arguments failing miserably?
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Aug 19, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Puh-leeze.
There really is just no comeback to such a witty and mature response as this.
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Aug 19, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HA HA!!! It's PACKER MAN!!!!
Back to defend the honor of Green Bay fans everywhere!
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Aug 19, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
better than being troll man i guess. and thanks for all of your informative and insightful opinions throughout all of your posts. your logic is astounding
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Aug 19, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. That Packer fans can vilify and name all the horrible things that can be called "folly" of another storied franchise like the Vikings yet they conveniently forget that from 1968 to Favre’s arrival in 1992 your "storied" franchise had a grand total of 4 WINNING SEASONS? And on several occasions finishing with less than 5 wins? Was there "folly" in your organization then?
Actually, yeah, there was folly in those days. I’ll save you the effort of looking up the fact that the Packers had “follies” in the 1950s also. The Steelers now have six Super Bowl titles, but they also had about a lifetime of “folly” before getting that first title.
The difference is that the Packers have a dozen championships. The Steelers have six Super Bowl titles. The Vikings have a magical talent for frittering even the best opportunities. Was even ONE of those Super Bowls competitive? How did that 15-1 team lose to Atlanta at home? How many titles did you GIVE to the Cowboys with all those picks for Walker (and then not even use him correctly)? I was pointing to all of that as the reason that the Vikings, not a franchise more accustomed to winning titles, begged for Brett to un-retire.
2. And now Packer fans are going to vilify and hang in effigy the very player who carried your "storied" franchise out of the dark ages and brought a modicum of respect to Titletown because he and the team handled a situation poorly?
Perhaps your reading comprehension skills need some work, but my post hardly vilified Favre in any manner— in fact, my point was that the Vikings BEGGED to be abused by him. The Vikings completely enabled Favre’s manipulations and mechanations; that speaks to a franchise’s low self-esteem. Viking fans following Favre around like he is the second coming— that speaks to a fan base so desperate for a title that they will buy fool’s gold.
But Aaron Rodgers is going to carry the banner of the new hero and deity on the heels of a 6-10 season?
We shall see. That story remains unwritten.
by NYCPac on Aug 19, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's interesting
how your fancy language is carefully assuaged to conspire a “disguise” on your ptolemy of retardation!
by Wade V on Aug 19, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HA HA!!!
Recs to make Packer fans feel better about themselves by pointing out the shortcomings of others!
All of the vitriol being spewed doesn’t change the fact that even though Favre fell apart at the end of the season he still had the Jets fighting for a playoff position and finishing with a 9-7 record while the Pack couldn’t get a sniff of the post-season with their 6-10 debacle.
And now he’s going to a team that last season finished 10-6, won the division and went to the playoffs and this season with him on the team is now considered a title contender while Green Bay is still trying to figure out a way to be relevant again.
Wait. Wait.
Nevermind. I’d be bitter and angry too if I were you.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Aug 19, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had the Jets fighting for a playoff position?
He single handily took the Jets out of playoff contention with poor play at the end of the year. And was widely disliked by most of his teammates. So if both teams didn’t make the playoffs, how does one look better than the other?
I have no need to be bitter, we have a better QB. Aaron Rodgers isn’t the reason we had a bad year last year.
by Charlie Kelly on Aug 19, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to get your head out of the clouds charlie
Aaron Rodgers was a big part of the reason. Im not saying he was totally at fault but a strong QB can pull his team together. So many of the posts on the net today arent saying what they should. Brett will always be a PACKER…I am a true blue Packer fan but also a big Brett Favre Fan. I am going nuts by the news…Those 2 games will be the most difficult games I think I will ever watch.
by favreandpackerfan on Aug 19, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BS
First of all Rodgers didn’t play defense in the 4th quarter. I’m not suggesting that he is flawless but I’m sick of people claiming that the record is solely Rodgers’ responsibility.
The one thing that truly angered me about Favre’s press conference was when he said that true Packer fans would understand. How f’ing arrogant is this SOB? You know what a-hole, a true Packer player would understand why we feel the way we do.
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Aug 20, 2009 7:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BS2
Rodgers doesn’t play on special teams either. That was another part that disappointed last year.
by Yooper5379 on Aug 20, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Panther game drove me nuts. Every single time we kicked off they started with the ball at least at the 40. And then Delhomme would just heave the ball in the air and Smith would come down with it. Our special teams was abysmal last year for sure.
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Aug 20, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TBD
There is no way to tell if this Favre signing was good or bad until the games have been played. But if you were going to try and gander at the outcome, wouldn’t you want to ask… I don’t know… the fans who watched every game of his for 16 seasons?
I live in St. Paul and I can easily tell you that you sound exactly like every other Vikings fan around here. You don’t actually care whether or not the Vikings succeed, you simply root for the Packers to lose, which is why this is a match made in Heaven. Favre’s vendetta will destroy the team and Childress/every Vikings “fan” will allow it because he’s Brett Favre who he’s better than your current QB and it really pisses of the Packers fans. You’ll blame the failed season on your god-awful secondary and then try to cover it up by signing LeRoy Butler, Eugene Robinson, Craig Newsome, and Doug Evans… then follow by proclaiming Vikings going to Super Bowl in 2010!!!
The QB position in MN is nothing more than a scapegoat for how mediocre the rest of the team is. They have a few excellent players, but the rest of the team is garbage. Teams don’t stack 9 in the box because they don’t fear TJack, they stack 9 in the box because your receivers can’t get open in man-to-man coverage and AP can’t catch the ball or pick up a blitz, so they know it’s a run.
Let me put it in a Minnesota reference for you because I’ll assume you follow the Twins too. You can be as good as you want in some areas (Joe Mauer is the greatest catcher of all-time) but if your starting pitching is going to give up 7 ER every game, you’re not going to be better than .500
Please don’t reference history anymore because if you get rid of Favre’s drugs and Chumura’s pervertedness there is nothing but proud history and a little losing. The Vikings have been a joke of an organization ever since the Walker trade, doing what ever it takes to have sexy players and not care about the team. They’ve never won anything, they even ran a ball back the wrong way in the Super Bowl if you want to be picky about things.
by uofmike on Aug 19, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
corrections
will allow it because he’s Brett Favre who IS better
by uofmike on Aug 19, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really enjoy the disingenuity of Themanthemyththelegend
First, he was here as part of a larger personal and purely objective campaign to interact with all football fans of every team.
Nevertheless, he immediately took to mocking and ridiculing the first Packers fan on a Packers fan blog who had the temerity to play down the predictions of a Viking SB victory in the wake of signing Favre.
Every since he achieved this predictable opening, Themanthemyththetroll, has launched into one post after another alternating between decrying his persecution for offering “different opinions” despite the lack of any actual evidence of offering even one opinion other than “the Vikes won the division last year while the Packers only won 6 games” and taking cheap, childish shots at Packers fans taking umbrage with his unsubstantiated and inexplicably inflammatory posting.
And of course all of this is produced by someone who has a signature that deplores being “petty and cheap shot-ish.”
This guy would be perversely fascinating if he weren’t such a colossal loser.
by 400metres on Aug 19, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're forgetting his most intelligent comment though
Puh-leeze!
Why more football analysts don’t use this gem is beyond me. It answers every argument
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Aug 19, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Have you shared my fleeting belief that this clown may be a beautiful parody of every troll characteristic?
If so, he’s a genius.
by 400metres on Aug 19, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he certainly has studied the tendencies, that’s for sure
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Aug 19, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: Jets fighting for playoff position
Didn’t the guy the Jets kicked to the curb to make room for GOD Favre, lead his team to a division title ahead of GOD Favre? And, didn’t that guy also go 5-0 down the stretch while GOD Favre could only manage a 1-4 mark against stellar opposition like the Broncos, 49ers and Seahawks?
"I agree but dont agree"
by juggernaut400 on Aug 19, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question for Themanthemyththelegend
Why are you so rude?
by CalBear81 on Aug 19, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he tries to
cover up his lack of knowledge on the subject. All he knows/ thinks is the Packers were 6-10 last year, the Vikings won the division, and the vikings with Brett are the best thing since sliced bread.
by bizzle4 on Aug 19, 2009 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actions speak louder than words
Viking fans treating Brett like a rock star is all one needs to know. Good luck with that…
by NYCPac on Aug 19, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so you have no questions whatsoever about the commitment of a guy who has been saying as early as April of 2006 that he doesn’t know if he has the desire to have the ball in his hands at the end of the game with the game in the balance, said that his heart isn’t in it anymore at all 15 of his retirement press conferences, and has as recently as three weeks ago said that he doesn’t think his body can handle the rigors of an NFL season? cuz if so I’d love to have some of what you’re drinking.
this is the same qb who was thoroughly outplayed last year by Chad Pennington right? he put up better stats than Favre and beat him head to head in a game that sent one team to the playoffs. and oh yeah, had a better record. take a look at the stats
this is the guy who is unquestionably gonna lead you to the Super Bowl? Now that’s embarrassing.
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Aug 19, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Favre vs Starr
He is gone and Vikes will get to playoffs and Brett will toss up a key pick somewhere and ruin it just like he always has done since the brief superbowl runs. Or 6 picks, or 4 (a couple times), but surely in the last 2 minutes or the OT’s. Starr had composure. Swap those two QB’s and the Pack would have had a pretty good run without the giveaways. Maybe more Lombardi trophies.
by daldog on Aug 19, 2009 10:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Favre is a Diva - plain & simple
The boy’s an egomaniac who is a distraction to the business at hand where ever he is. In that sense, having him on your team is no different than having T.O. on your team. And just like T.O., if a team is so hard up for what little talent the player has left in him to put up with all the crap, well then they’ll get what they deserve. Me, I hope the Pack abandons the retirement of his number until he’s truly retired. And on one comment in the article that said Minnesota was the worst place for him to go (for the Pack), no – Chicago would have been the worst place.
by tornado chaser on Aug 19, 2009 11:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Farve, pressure and caving-in.
As a Packer fan since ‘65, I’ve seen the years of frustration (Red Sox fan too) and became accustomed to failing with less than 2 minutes on the clock. Farve when young, was almost uncatchable, ask anyone with sprained or broken fingers. He could run-n-gun with the best of them. When Farve tied with George Blanda for the most interceptions in a career, one should remember that Blanda’s figure was posted over a 26 year career. Farve posted the same numbers in only 16 years. Sloppy play? Lack of coordination with receivers? Injuries?
Lack of concentration? Who knows, who cares. The difference is Blanda posted some of his best seasons in Oakland, at the end of his career. He was the go-to guy, the clutch player.
Farve? Hasn’t had ‘the edge’ in years. While at one time I respected him for his talent,
and ability to make Green Bay competitive, I can no longer say I respect Farve for the same reasons that I don’t respect Manny Ramirez – he’s a negative influence in the clubhouse, feuding with management, and putting the letter I into the word team.
Manny wasn’t the BoSox, Farve wasn’t the Packers. In his glory years, how crucial was it to have a KGB, Donald Driver, or Bubba Franks making things happen? Favre was The Franchise – at least in his mind.
My prediction for 2009? Daldog summed it up in the post above. Farve galvanizes the Vikes, and implodes as usual in the playoffs.
by 44N on Aug 19, 2009 11:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Although I still don't care about where Brett plays, one thing still bothers me
and that’s when people who decide to switch teams because of Favre. If Favre is still your favorite player through all this and you wish him success, that’s fine but when you root for the Vikings over the Packers, you are no longer a true fan regardless of who the QB is.
Another thing, I know it’s a business and everything and personal feelings shouldn’t be attributed to it, but Brett owes a lot more to Green Bay than Green Bay owes to Brett. You hear many people say Brett brought this team relevance again but it wasn’t just Brett, it was Holmgren, Wolf, and Reggie as well. If anything, Green Bay brought Favre relevance as they took a chance on a QB who was on a path to career and personal self destruction. Favre was great during the Holmgren years because Holmgren commanded nothing less.
Then Holmgren left and we got a slew of weaker coaches who enabled Favre’s reckless behavior. And here we are today with the egocentric Favre who thinks he is above the team. He has thought this in Green Bay since 2003 with his constant waffling on retirement. He thought this in New York with his alienating behavior to other teammates. And he thinks it in Minnesota with his “decision” to stay retired at least until training camp started. I’m glad we got rid of this guy because as he’s proven, he’s committed to only one person and I think this will come back to haunt him.
That being said, do I hate Brett Favre or hold a grudge? No, I don’t even know the guy. I wish him the best in the sense that when he ultimately does call it quits, he is able to do so walking off the field, not being carried off, but I don’t wish him success, and I hope this experiment with MN backfires.
by Charlie Kelly on Aug 19, 2009 11:43 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Favre
Good article…. summed up the situation accurately. As a lifelong Packer fan who grew up 4 blocks from Lambeau and learned how to swear by watching and hearing Lombardi at those practices in the early ‘60s, I remain a huge fan of Favre’s talent and passion for the game. But…. it wasn’’t Thompson’s and McCarthy’s fault last year when Brett retired, then changed his mind. Management and coaches need to know before the season if the qb is coming back or not, so they can plan the draft and the upcoming season out. Thompson gave Favre at least 3 chances to change his mind before moving on, and we all know what happened. Brett gamed the system, hoping to end up with the Vikes, but eventually going to the Jets instead.
In his own head, Brett thinks he’s been wronged. I see it as him giving us the big, fat middle finger and not accepting responsibility for his own vaccilations and selfishness…. towards the end of his great days in Green Bay, it was all about Brett, and the team and fans came second or worse.
Brett Favre could have remained the King of Wisconsin. Now he is the enemy.
The Viqueens?! I foresee many interceptions and probable serious injury… 40 ain’t 25. A true Packer just does not play for certain teams after his entire career has been spent with the Pack….. the Queens and da Bears are those teams.
badgervan
by badgervan on Aug 19, 2009 11:57 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
just happy to see the old man play
I think Favre playing for the Vikings is wonderful for the game. I am a Mi. native who never followed the Lions. I grew up with Lombardi and attended the Ice Bowl.
Living in Pittsburgh the last three decades has me following the Steelers as well as the Packers. If Roethlisberger were traded to the Browns…I’d simply be amused. I am a football fan period. Having Favre in Minneapolis St. Paul is just an opportunity to see him PLAY.
The Packers bid him a fond farewell sobeit. As a football fan I will appreciate watching
him in action even against the Steelers in October. I always look forward to Packers-Bears games too because that rivalry is fun to watch. Some locals here are still blown away because Johnny Unitas was a Steeler but was cut in his first training camp and never played in his hometown. I say relax and just enjoy the pro game for the entertainment it is. After all a real football fan could appreciate the Lions winning a game or two this year.
by soylent24green on Aug 19, 2009 12:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
just like the packers are going to do whats best for the organization. Brett Favre is going to do whats best for him.
They want power, We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Aug 19, 2009 12:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That is football
I think everyone is making to big a deal about it. Your looking at a sport that leaves many of its players in terrible shape for their later years. Maybe Brett has taken so many hits, that you cannot blame him for any of his actions. Favre made many creative decisions on the field. He also made some really crazy decisions on the field. That might be it.///
….. I think most NFL players are a little or maybe very crazy to play the game that entertains so many.
by JohnBrockington on Aug 19, 2009 1:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
MVP
Last year with the Jets, until he got hurt, he was brougt in many MVP discussions. Chad Pennington was better than an injured Farve.
by JohnBrockington on Aug 19, 2009 1:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Chad Pennington was better than Favre last year in every regard. He threw for more yards (3653 to 3472), had 3 fewer TD’s (19 to 22) but 15(!) less INT’s (7 to 22), had a better QB rating (97.4 to 81.0), had a better Average yards per Attempt (7.7 to 6.7), had a better completion % (67.4 to 65.7), was sacked less (24 to 30), and had a better record than Favre (11-5 to 9-7). His name certainly wasn’t better than Favre’s but that’s the only competition that Favre won between the two. Period.
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Aug 19, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the stats show that I’m bitter? I guess stats really do tell all
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Aug 20, 2009 7:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
give it up
this response could go out to just about any of these negative posts,I chose to respond to this one solely on it’s location near the bottom. you all crack me up. this was your hero for almost two decades, and now you turn on him like a pack of jackals. If he means that much to you, that you get that worked up over this, you must have really love him at one time or another. this whole thing is like a divorced couple , fighting over who gets to be friends with whom. eventually cooler heads prevail, and life goes on. at least be civil about it .
by whanabarf on Aug 19, 2009 2:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
obviously we loved him, which is why the anger and annoyance is so high now. thats how these things work. we wouldn’t care less if the 4th string LT joined the Vikes after retiring 12 times.
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Aug 19, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Favre Rejected Packers?
I think he was forced out by T.T. T.t. never cared for Brett from day one.You don’t get that emotional when retiring unless you still want to play. T.T brought all this on himself. He is the bad guy here. Just listen to his comments when asked about Brett going to the Vikes. NO COMMENT. he knows he screwed up. True Packer fan know this and that’s what Brett was alluding to in his intro to the Vikes. Go Brett Go, but not against the Pack.
by kmf4pack on Aug 19, 2009 3:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How has he screwed up again?
You’d rather face an uncertain present and future with Favre QB’ing the Pack then have a QB who looks solid and will be leading the team for years to come? When TT was hired he knew he was going to be presiding over the end of the Brett Favre era and made plans accordingly. Since no one on Earth knew when Favre would retire (including him, apparently), when TT saw a QB that was going to be the #1 pick (before the 49ers acted like the 49ers and picked Alex Smith) available at the 24th pick in the draft without having to give up anything he pounced. Seems like smart planning to me but my glasses aren’t Favre-colored. I don’t understand how drafting a future replacement and allowing him to be groomed as opposed to thrust into the starting role with no preparation is pushing someone out. Was drafting Jennings, Jones, and Nelson in the past few years a sign that TT can’t wait to get rid of Donald Driver? No, it’s called planning. That’s how successful teams work.
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Aug 19, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha exactly
People and their Favre-blinders. Too some the man can do no wrong. TT has actually been very successful since taking over, and made the right decision going with Rodgers last year. If you want proof go on yahoo sports’, and under NFL read the article talking about how Rodgers is quickly becoming an elite QB.
by packallday555 on Aug 19, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, you got it all wrong
Successful teams don’t draft or develop their own guys. They use those picks to trade for big name free agents and sign guys based on what their QB thinks. Also, they never think about getting rid of a player who’s getting old until that player is ready. Look at the teams who usually build through the draft, the Giants and the Steelers, those two teams suck and never accomplish anything. Now look at the teams who rely mostly on big name free agents like the Vikings, they would win every year but Roger Goodell hates them because of their awesomeness and does everything he can do to foil things for them. If Teddy boy would’ve just kept Rivera, Wahle, Sharper, and Favre we would’ve won the last eight superbowls.
by Charlie Kelly on Aug 20, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bottom Line
The Packers still have the best QB in the division and the Packers made the right decision in moving ahead with Rodgers, who is the better QB right now. Maybe it’s Favre who needs to understand what really happened.
by sleezer1788 on Aug 19, 2009 3:40 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Farve is committted to Farve
And from a business and personal standpoint, that makes a certain amount of sense. But the reality is, that he has shown himself to be what many of us outside of the Packer Nation always suspected. Immature, full of himself, and self-centered. I do feel bad for the Packer faithful — it’s always hard when a hero that you have put up on a pedestal reveals that they are not really exactly heroic…. but this is a lesson to all sports fans, that a good player is not necessarily a good man. We need to look for people of character to admire and look up to — I suggest looking at the people around you, rather than the people in the spotlight, which tends to highlight the good and throw the rest into shadow.
by nterview on Aug 19, 2009 7:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Chad Pennington like I said
Like I said, until Farve got hurt. If Farve sat down from the half way point of last year, he would have blown Chad’s stats away up until that time. . Why do you compare the whole season when I already put up a marker……… Farve was stupid for not getting his surgery earlier. Then he would not have to play this game.
by JohnBrockington on Aug 19, 2009 7:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why compare the whole season?
Because Favre haven’t been able to play past the midway-point the last 4-5 years. (2007 excluded) Last year wasn’t a fluke, it was the continuation of a trend.
by hythlodaeus on Aug 20, 2009 6:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well there's two things I take issue with about that
First, they play an entire season, not just half a season. And I don’t see how Brett’s stats would have blown away Chad’s up until that time. Pennington was steady the whole season. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a Pennington fan. I just wonder if the Jets would do it all over again if they had the chance.
Second, and most importantly, there is no way on Earth that Brett would have taken himself out under any circumstances whatsoever. It would have ended the streak and made it look like a mistake for him to come out of phony retirement. It may have been what was best for the team and him physically but it would not have been best for Brett’s ego and that took precedence over the team. It will be interesting this season what happens if/when Brett breaks down again. Since Childress has shown that he is not in control, Favre is, I’m curious as to what will happen then. Good luck trying to tell Brett that it is in the best interest of the team for him to sit.
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Aug 20, 2009 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
People forget
that this isn’t the first time that Brett’s insisted to stay on the field at the expense of the team.
by whorge on Aug 20, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only times
I can ever remember when Favre had “injuries” and he took himself out was the Patriots game back in ’06 (when Rodgers broke his foot and still played the rest of the game) and the Dallas game in ’07. Nevermind the fact that in the NE game he was just 5-15 with 70 yards and oh we were getting killed that game similar thing in Dallas 5-14 56 yards and 2 picks. Rodgers then came in and gave us a chance to comeback in that game. I am not trying to point out Favre was helping the team it is actually the opposite. We were losing in both games Favre started the next week obviously after both times his injuries were questionable. He took himself out because he did not want to look bad.
by bizzle4 on Aug 20, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As much as I can be for a player who is not a Packer (important qualifier, that)
I am a Pennington fan.
The much-maligned Pennington has the highest career completion percentage (among qualifiers) in the 90-year history of the NFL.
The glass is more than half-full.
by NorthStarr on Aug 23, 2009 2:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Final Word
All I want to say is that I grew tied of Brett Favre the “Drama Queen” long time ago. I am even more tired of it now. That is all you hear on ESPN…Brett Favre; and I hear 8 issues of it a day at Dick’s Sporting Goods (where I work)!
I am grateful for his play in GB, I wish him well wherever he goes and I am looking forward to watching the two meetings this season.
Now…ARE YOU READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL, already!!
by GBPackerFan1961 on Aug 19, 2009 10:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Funny The First Time I Retired Was Because Of My Wife And They Lost That Video!
Funny The First Time I Retired Was Because Of My Wife And They Lost That Video! Don’t you remember my wife sitting by my side saying thank god hes done & I really wanted this! Now we can go on with our lives! She was so happy – That’s why I retired the first time and finally got balls and told her I want to play again that next season. Get your facts straight .. Go find the video that magically disappeared of that press conference with my wife and play it.
by brettfarve on Aug 19, 2009 11:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn man he’s grown and this is a business….green bay let him go it’s time 2 move on fuck it. No matter who he plays with he was good when he was good and bad when he was bad…..LET IT GO
by bigsgt on Aug 19, 2009 11:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bottom Line
The Packers lost to the Immortal Sage Rosenfels last year. Does the Viking QB matter that much? The Packers should worry about how they’re going to deal with the Williams Bros. & AP.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Aug 20, 2009 12:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You got that right
Stopping those 3 is a bigger problem for any team.
by Yooper5379 on Aug 20, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If your going to try to make fun of something
get the info right. When did the Packers lose to Sage Rosenfels? Yes he was on a Houston team that beat the Packers but he was not even the starting QB! Matt Schaub was their starter.
by bizzle4 on Aug 20, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops! You're totally right!.
It was the Unforgettable Gus Frerotte that beat them.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Aug 20, 2009 3:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Welcomeback to the 70s Packer fans
I was born a Packer fan and never thought it would be any different. Lynn Dickey used to be our great white hope. Then came the majik man. Then came the real majic. What happened to Favre 4ever? Packer fans disgust me. Bring um the pain Brett. Make them remember what 2 decades of losing feels like. When he’s done it will be the No Favre League.
by Threeandone on Aug 20, 2009 8:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually, to be totally fair...
You should admit that Lynn Dickey was at the head of an excellent offense that had to try to overcome the impact of some awful defenses. I was never a big Dickey fan, but he was above average at least.
by NYCPac on Aug 24, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Articles about rodgers?
Favre didn’t read that one, he was busy being great! 6-10 and the two against Detroit don’t count. Is anybody getting this. a 13-3 team changes one player and they go 6-10. I know, they had injuries, right. Ask Bubba what’s up.
by Threeandone on Aug 20, 2009 8:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What if...
I read all this wishful thinking by Packers fans that Favre will fail. It is clear that Packers fans believe the Vikings have an incredibly good team because all the posts center around how Favre is a douche or will get hurt or how the Vikings don’t have 12 championships (as if anyone other than Packers fans care about the ones won like 50 years ago when the league was only semi professional).
Bla bla bla. People over analyze the hell out of this and craft their arguments as if football is some life or death battle.
Football is a game. Just because many people in Wisconsin treat football as the most important thing in life outside their own families does not make Vikings fans losers. We just don’t care quite as much as you guys do (which makes these internet battles much more enjoyable for us).
Football is a game. Players come and go. There are hard feelings etc. Team chemistry and commitment and all this “Favre will tear the team apart” nonsense is a result of the media sensationalizing sports. Put yourself in the position of the players. You get played millions to play a game that you’ve always played. The game consists of a hundred or whatever individual plays. On each individual play, you try to do a certain thing. Each guy does there certain thing and if your guys are good and the things you try to do are soundly decided, and you have some luck, then you win.
Whenever you see analysts talking about how a certain player tore the team about because that team did poorly then just know that most likely you are watching an idiot preach to idiots about idiotic things. You can take any bad team and come up with reasons why they did bad. Any good team and come up with reasons they did good.
When Moss was in Minny, he was credited in part for the good teams they had end of 90s and early 2000s. Then when they had bad teams, he was credited with being a distraction and blamed for some of their problems. Then the Love Boat happened and he wasn’t even on the damn thing. Then he goes to the Pats and they absolutely own with him and he’s given a lot of credit again.
See a pattern? It is like this every year. Morons making up reasons based on results. Teams winning is a combination of talented players, coaching and schemes to get the most out of players, and a little luck (staying healthy, not having Freeman fall with the ball on his damn head, etc.) It has nothing to do with a guy like Favre “tearing the team apart” because he came late. Jared Allen isn’t going to shave his mullet and stop murdering pigs and QB’s just because Favre didn’t want to live in a Mankato dorm. Hutch won’t quit blocking. Everyone will play as hard as they can and Brett will throw the ball at them.
Christ, Brett isn’t even a very big part of this team. The Vikings are built on Defense and running and if they have any success it will come from that. The only reason they have Brett, other than the fact that it is just hilarious and gets them uber media attention, is so the Vikings have a QB that can occasionally make a half decent pass. They haven’t had that in the past couple years.
by Sand0 on Aug 21, 2009 7:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
@ Sand0
(as if anyone other than Packers fans care about the ones won like 50 years ago when the league was only semi professional)
That is the arguement of somebody to whom history does not matter.
If something wasn’t accomplished in your lifetime, then it is not important, right?
Tell me, were you around for World War II; the American Revolution?
Were the men who achieved victory in those cases “semi profesional?”
Before you argue that it is not the same thing, I will counter-argue that the it is the same idea; the same line of thought.
And, for that matter, the NFL has never been semi-professional.
It has always been the top level of play for American football.
Show some respect.
Bla bla bla. People over analyze the hell out of this…
Looks to be what you are doing here.
We just don’t care quite as much as you guys do.
Which is why your team will be based in Los Angeles within five years.
Put yourself in the position of the players.
Yeah. Players such as those on the Biqueens who begged and pleaded and cajoled Favre a month ago to join their team and who will have to find a way to be good teammates (with no hard feelings) with whichever of the (pre-Favre) erstwhile starters is the starter after Favre is gone again.
Sure love to be in those players’ position. NOT!
The only way to avoid that is going to be to jettison both Rosenfels and Jackson at that time and start all over again (with Booty, possibly? Bwaah ha ha ha ha).
With or without Booty, the ’queens will be in rebuilding mode by then; without a franchise QB, without Childress (that part, at least, is too bad for the Packers, the Lions, the Bears and their fans) after Favre fails to deliver the promised Super Bowl championship, etc.
Then [Moss] goes to the Pats and they absolutely own with him and he’s given a lot of credit again.
yeah, he sure was the missing piece to that guarenteed Super Bowl win, wasn’t he.
It has nothing to do with a guy like Favre "tearing the team apart" because he came late.
Because he came late? Get real.
Favre will eventually ‘tear the team apart’ with his selfishness and his aloofness toward the younger players, with whom he has nothing in common; with his highly erratic post-Thanksgiving play (see the past four years, since he has been older than 35, during which his TD:Interception ratio before Thanksgiving is 3:2, while after Thanksgiving it is somewhere in the neighborhood of 2:5).
Don’t believe me?
Look it up for yourself (I presume you know how to use the internet).
Christ, Brett isn’t even a very big part of this team.
I guarentee that, at least in his mind, he is.
He is certainly bigger than Childress, who has already allowed Favre to waltz all over him this off-season, and who does not have the balls to reign Favre in and control his impulses to throw the deep ball wildly into double- and triple-coverages, losing games by trying to make throws that he used to be able to make and that he thinks he can still make.
The only two coaches he has had in his NFL career with those kind of stones were Mike Holmgren and Mike McCarthy.
a QB that can occasionally make a half decent pass. They haven’t had that in the past couple years.
And it is all that they have now and it is more than they will have in a year or two, when Favre, Jackson and Rosenfels are all gone.
As you should be, troll.
The glass is more than half-full.
by NorthStarr on Aug 23, 2009 1:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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