Busting Hawk
How long until we can definitively call A.J. Hawk a draft bust? Let's face it, he's been a barely serviceable starter...nowhere near the impact player you should expect to get with a 5th overall pick.
I'm seriously thinking about handing down my white #50 jersey down to my younger brother and investing in a Greg Jennings. I'd think about going for a Clay Matthews or B.J. Raji, but I want to play it safe in case my investment depreciates like the $75 each I spent on my Hawk and Javon Walker jerseys.
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A couple years ago, I went to Toys R Us in Madison to look for a Packers jersey for my 2 year old son. I didn’t end up buying one because all I could find were A.J. Hawk jerseys. Like he was going to be the next Nitschke. I remember when Hawk was considered the safe pick, most likely to be a reliable starter. Now it’s unlikely he’ll even start.
I’d have to say Jennings is a safe jersey. He’s had two great seasons, with two different QBs so it’s not just because of his teammates. Although he’s only had 16 NFL starts, I’d be shocked if Rodgers wasn’t a safe jersey too.
by Brandon on Aug 19, 2009 10:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well it looks like I'm gonna get burned on my Home AJ Hawk replica
My alibi is that it was the only Packer jersey he had. AJ Hawk would’ve been my fourth or fifth choice. Woodson, Jenkins, and Barnett definitely were preferrable.
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by jobe on Aug 19, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bust ?
Hopefully, Hawk will remove himself from the list of potential draftbusts this year.
From what you’re writeing I think it’s pretty safe to say you haven’t played football on the defensive side of the ball.
First of all, Hawk had a very good rookie year, not great but very good. He lead the Packers i tackels, he looked very, very good in pass coverage (for a rookie) and teams seemed to shy away from running to his side of the field. This shows how good he was that year, first of all, at least in a 4-3 defense, it is set up for the MLB to make most of the tackels, Hawk was the WLB, which means that before he starts to persue a runner to the strong side (were most runs go) he has to make sure there’s no cut back or reverse, which is his primary responsibility when the flow is away from him. If the run is towards him, his first job is to take out the first blocker not taken by the d-line.
Now, last season, de didn’t look nearly as good as he did his rookie year, why ? because he’s a bust ? Not even close.
First of all, the D-line stuck worse than horseS**t in 2008, the were downright horrible. The first job of the d-line in a 4-3, is to keep the blockers away from the LB’s so they can shoot the right gaps and chase the runners. When that doesn’t happen, it’s 10 times harder to be a LB, and that was not the worst, in 2008 the D-line consistantly got pushed back, they could not hold their ground, then, in adittion to the offensive blockers, theire own d-line gets in the way of the LBs, making it very hard both to see and to get to the runner.
Second, he struggled with a groin pull the first half of the season, then he was moved to MLB when Barnett went down with the ACL injury. Now, from a playbook perspective, that should not be a problem, a good LB always knows all three LB spots anyway, but, as the MLB, he also had to handle the communications and being the “QB” of the defense, that’s not an easy transition.
Even so, I think Hawk looked pretty good in coverage last year, he was a bit slower than ‘07 yes, but still his angels was very good.
Third, back in college, Hawk was used to blitz a lot, which also is one of his best assets as an LB, last year the DC hardly ever called a blitz, he was way to conservative considering the talent level on the team. Now, Capers is know to be pretty agressive in his playcalling, so look for Hawk to be tearing up opponents backfields this year.
He had a slump in’08, but I think he’ll be a lot better this year.
If he, against my believes, should turn out to be a bust, we can always blame that on Thompson too, the guy who drafted him. Right now, I’d love to see another nail in TTs coffin ! But hopefully, Hawk won’t be that “nail”
The #50, is one of the numbers I’m considering to buy, now that I, for obvious reasons had to put my #4 way back in the closet (not to be seen until “that guy” gets inducted in the HOF).
THen, Hawk is also a true team player, he shows up for work, he didn’t hold out for a long time to get more money in his rookie contract, he’s a gym rat, he hasn’t done anything stupid off the field…. that being factored in, he sure looks like the sure pick he was supposed to be, even though he struggled a bit last year.
by Jarlsberg on Aug 20, 2009 10:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the Browns game
will be exciting to watch when it matters. If Brady gets the starting job. You know he will want to crush the in-law
by bizzle4 on Aug 20, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hoooooold up though...
Great analysis. Finally someone who actually knows what they are talking about…all I ever hear is Hawk suck without any backing behind it. I love hearing solid arguments on both sides but when there is nothing to back a position it drives me NUTS.
Now that said, I did have a problem with the end of your post. Lets just say that Hawk doesn’t live up to being a solid starter or better. Lets say he gets outplayed and ends up a reserve. How does that go as a check against Thompson? That was actually one draft pick where he picked the safe bet, the guy everyone (and I mean EVERYONE) thought was the right pick for our team, the position of need on our team. So by all accounts he made the right call…even if the player doesn’t work out, who was going to tell him he was supposed to do something else? That draft was FILLED with high potential, low outcome players. Here is a list of all the great players that rounded out the Top 10 picks that year (I am not including the 4 before him as they were not options): Vernon Davis, Michael Huff, Donte Whitner, Ernie Sims, and Matt Leinert. Now Leinert would have been a TERRIBLE draft with Rodgers getting snagged the prior year. I remember hearing arguments about Vernon Davis but he has done nothing but create headaches and do NOTHING for his team. Huff was benched by the Raiders last year after a couple games. Whitner has been a servicable safety after a strong rookie showing (sound familiar?) but has steadily declined each year since. Sims might be the one where you could make an argument but I have YET to see a draft beatnik that rated Sims ahead of Hawk. He was the right player, at the right time…sometimes players just don’t pan out. You try to figure that out before the draft but sometimes they just don’t have what it takes to be a pro.
Now Harrell is the kind of player that you can stick it to Thompson with. It was an unexpected pick at a position of strength (at the time) and it was way earlier than most people saw him going. They showed to be right in this case as he’s been a total bust. But if Hawk fails out and turns out to be a backup type of player, this is not Tony Mandarich case. There was no Barry Sanders sitting on the board. There is no guy in the entire first round (IMO) that would have dramatically changed our team for the better.it was a draft filled with mediocrity and a few pretty good players (Jay Cutler, Mario Williams, Cromartie, DeAngelo Williams).
by TrevorR on Aug 26, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Busting Hawk
It has been made pretty clear that the Packers defense was not a linebacker friendly defense. I will give another year in this defense before I call him a bust. Also he played for The Ohio State University. So you know he’s good.
by KRAJSR on Aug 20, 2009 1:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I still remember being disappointed we didn't get Mario Williams
because I remember many people had him falling to us initially.
by Charlie Kelly on Aug 20, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hawk a bust? Not even close...
There is no way you can feasibly call A.J. Hawk a bust. And barely a serviceable starter? You have to be joking right? Yeah it’s true that he hasn’t quite been a Pro Bowler but does that constitute him as a bust? No way. If he came out as a highly touted draft pick and then completely underachieved, became injury prone and missed significant playing time, or just was a complete waste of talent, then I could see throwing the bust label on him. But he hasn’t done anything to warrant that criticism.
He has started all 48 regular season games of his 3 year career. He led the team in tackles his rookie year with 119, was second on the team in tackles behind Nick Barnett in his second season, and lead the team in tackles again last season. And even though his tackle numbers diminished to only 86 last year, he was thrust into a much different roll on the team after Barnett went down for the season with injury. Going from weak side linebacker to middle linebacker is a big adjustment to make, especially when that transition takes place during the season and it’s a position he had never previously played before.
So even though he hasn’t been an All-Pro or even a Pro Bowler, he does not even come close to being a bust! And as far as being “barely a serviceable starter” I’d like to know what more you think he should be doing to improve on that label that you’ve given him? Should he have 200 tackles a year and make every play on the defensive side just because he was the fifth pick in the draft? As far as I see it he’s been one of the most consistent players to come out of that draft class so far. Look at the 2006 draft class again and try and put 5 players from the 1st round ahead of A.J. Hawk…I’ll even give you a couple…Mario Williams, Ernie Sims, Jay Cutler, and Antonio Cromartie are the only guys that I would say right now could be considered “top caliber” players ahead of him, but IMO NONE of them have been as consistent as he has through 3 seasons.
So maybe take that into consideration before you go pawning off your Hawk jersey and giving him the “bust” label…although a Jennings jersey wouldn’t be too bad of an alternative.
by BleedCheese on Aug 20, 2009 4:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
WHOA.
OK, guys. I didn’t mean to incite a holy crusade on Hawk’s behalf.
You guys are right, he wasn’t viewed as much of an impact player leading up to the draft, more of a “safe” pick. So maybe I should be bitching at Ted for not drafting someone who has more upside and big-play ability.
BleedCheese: I would add Haloti Ngata, Nick Mangold, and arguably Joseph Addai and Santonio Holmes to that list. And I’m not planning on “pawning off” my jersey. There’s a big difference between that and giving it to a family member who’s also a big Packer fan.
Has the Hawk had some good moments? Yes. Has he played in situations that are less than ideal? Definitely. But I think someone drafted at #5 should be expected to “step up” (crap, I hate that cliche). Does he deserve the “bust” title? I don’t know. Maybe it depends on your definition of “bust”. But I do think that I would be a little happier now if I had waited a while and spent my money on a different jersey instead. For now, I’ll still wear my white #50 with pride, hoping that he’ll adapt better to the 3-4.
by texwestern on Aug 21, 2009 9:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wish we got Haloti Nagata, that guy is a monster.
by Charlie Kelly on Aug 21, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Second that
When did he go in the draft?
by packallday555 on Aug 21, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No. 12
Hawk went No. 5. The 2006 1st round. In hindsight, I would have rather have Ngata. Although, in 2006 they signed DT Ryan Pickett instead of drafting Ngata. Also remember back to 2005, they had no worthwhile linebackers except Nick Barnett. So at the time, and during 2007 too, I would have taken Hawk and Pickett over Ngata because it helped out at two spots.
by Brandon on Aug 22, 2009 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But
Pickett is no Nagata. He is a monster. He is nearly impossible to run on, and he is pretty quick to boot. But your right Hawk was the right pick as we needed LBs at the time. I don’t think he is a bust like many do, but I really hope we see more out of him in seasons to come.
by packallday555 on Aug 22, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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