Washington Post: Favre The Betrayer
by Brandon on Aug 19, 2009 11:21 PM CDT
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Here's my article at the Washington Post discussing QB Brett Favre and his legacy. It's not the same one as I posted yesterday, but it has the same tone.
His actions proved he wasn't 100% committed to the Green Bay Packers. And he added to the betrayal by signing with the one team, the Minnesota Vikings, that he knew the Packers organization did not want him to sign with. He has said that this is not about revenge, and he might truly believe it, but that is not what his actions say. I'll always remember the great things he did as a Packer, and I'll always stick up for all the dumb interceptions because he was just trying to win them another game. But his legacy will always be tarnished by his actions at the end of his career.
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Awesome work getting in the Post!
Should I expect to see this in my paper tomorrow?
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
by jobe on Aug 19, 2009 11:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Funny The First Time I Retired Was Because Of My Wife And They Lost That Video!
Funny The First Time I Retired Was Because Of My Wife And They Lost That Video! Don’t you remember my wife sitting by my side saying thank god hes done & I really wanted this! Now we can go on with our lives! She was so happy – That’s why I retired the first time and finally got balls and told her I want to play again that next season. Get your facts straight .. Go find the video that magically disappeared of that press conference with my wife and play it.
by BrettFavre on Aug 19, 2009 11:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
This is the type of idiot poster, who just about made LoftKing and K-bro look good, that drove me away from the Press-Gazette forums after they appeared to become the idiot, loud-mouthed [sic] majority there.
The glass is more than half-full.
by NorthStarr on Aug 23, 2009 3:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm an outsider looking in...
But as a fan of football I have to admit that I will enjoy watching the Vikings vs the Packers much more this season than any years past.
I understand the fans being pissed but at the same time Aaron Rodgers appears to be in prime shape to have a break out season and I cannot really imagine The Vikings having a better overall record.
My best guess is that Farve’s only shot of beating the Packers is if that chance comes early in the season before he is injured/worn out.
Best of luck — but my money is still on the Packers.
by Colts Syndrome on Aug 19, 2009 11:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Favre
has always played poorly in the dome if memory serves. If anybody has numbers to back that up though, correct me.
Mat Gamel is way too cool for double consonants.
by VivaLosBravos on Aug 20, 2009 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are correct sir
that said, he also played on a team that was built for outdoor football, in inclement weather. why would that surprise anyone that they would have struggled agains teams [dome teams] designed specifically for those conditions. I believe the numbers should improve now that he’s on that type of a team.
by whanabarf on Aug 20, 2009 4:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Schedule
Then it’s a good thing for Brett, that the Vikings play both games against the Packers in the first 8 weeks of the season, when he isn’t worn out yet.
by Yooper5379 on Aug 20, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aaron Rodgers
had a breakout season last year. The defense had a breakdown season.
by whorge on Aug 20, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
People sure are a bunch of babies. You do realize you are rooting for a peice of clothing right? I am about as big of a Packer fan as they come, but to call him a betrayer is just retarded. This type of stuff happenes all the time. So he went to a rivial? Lets just beat him when he comes to town. Hell Chris Chelios went to the Red Wings.
by Josh R on Aug 20, 2009 5:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
Guys it is just football!!! I see articles saying Judas, and I hear that people are burning jerseys. Really?!?!?! People that stuff cost you money, hell you don’t want it sell it on ebay christ it is not like he killed someone (oops sorry Donte and Mr. Little).
You also notice that nobody is saying how this report comes at a time the the league was getting bad press from the whole Vick signing. Hello Goodell conspiracy.
by jcut on Aug 20, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
congratulations you got it right
you are in a rare class.
How's it taste THOMPSON YOU MORON
by 4 where-ever on Aug 20, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but I don't give a crap about Chris Chelios or Hockey!
Yeah, betrayer is a little over the top. I’m thinking more like indecisive child. I don’t hate the guy. I just don’t respect him anymore because HE RETIRED. THREE TIMES NOW. I don’t respect anyone who constantly says things that turn out to be untrue. Which is of course why I don’t believe him when he says it’s about revenge. He’s got the right to do whatever he likes, and I’ve got the right to think less of him for it.
For the rest of his life I wish him well. But this year I hope he sucks. Not because he betrayed me. But because he’s a Viking. And I’ve hated the damn Vikings since I was 5.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 20, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I personally
Always hated the Bears more!!! Maybe because I am on the east coast and there are more idiot Bears fans out here.
by jcut on Aug 23, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Favre
Okay Brandon, he went to a team he knew the Packers didnt want him to go to? SO WHAT! He isnt under contract with the Packers and can go to any team he chooses. You say he “betrayed” the Packers? Give me a break. He is an athlete who wants to play football, Packers didnt want him so he is went with a team that did. Why dont you just move on to another subject and get over it.
by favre4evr on Aug 20, 2009 7:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Another subject
Although I agree…..it’s obvious that some fans can’t move on. In the past, I’ve been called a Favre lover for simply making the suggestion that Packer fans should spend less time attacking Favre and more time supporting the Packers. Attacking Brett, to my opinion ,is not backing the Pack. On the contrary, it appears that under all that anger are fans that may not have faith in their new QB which in reality is why they are so angry that Favre has returned. Let’s remember…..it wasn’t Brett’s choice to play for another team; it was the Packer organization that made that final decision for him. If Packer fans are truely burning their #4 jerseys, etc., I personally think they will live to regret it one day. Years from now, when all of this is a distant memory, Favre will be riding his tractor in Mississippi as a HOF with all his records & LEGACY still in tact . Those fans that are presently living in the moment will be saying to their children and or grandchildren, " I once had a Favre jersey but I burned it ". People…..nothing that you do will change the fact…..Brett Favre was and is a special athlete. Honestly, I can understand the fans being mad about the back & forth with the retirement but bottom line, it was Packer management that decided to move on. To Favre and all other NFL players, coaches, etc., football is a job; it’s a way of life; it’s a business. I think fans forget that sometimes. It’s a job and like most jobs, when your past employer doesn’t need you or want you; you move on to the next job and or employee . Brett did that, the Packers did that, yet, some fans can’t let it go. Personally, if I wanted to continue working after retirement and someone offered me 12 million dollars, I wouldn’t hesitate and I really wouldn’t care what my past co-workers, employers, and or clients thought. I must say…..I will be glad to see Favre back because I simply love to watch him play (even on a bad day). Do I agree with everything he has done? No. Do I agree with Packers? No. The truth is, at age 40, he’s still exciting to watch and brings alot to football. Enjoying Favre as a player & what he brings to the game doesn’t mean I’m betraying the Packers. Like someone else said on here, he didn’t kill anyone; it’s just football !!!
by packersinNC on Aug 20, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still stand by that the only reason Favre annoyed me
was by how he handled the situation. Play for who you want, be it the Bears or the Vikings or whoever, but for god’s sake, be a man about it. Make a decision in April or May when it’s convenient for the team, not August when it’s convenient for you and if you wanna come here and get back at Thompson or whoever, commit yourself to it because right now all I see is an old man who is desperate to remain in the spotlight while attaining one last run and proving his doubters wrong, but by doing what he’s doing he’s already proven those doubters right, McCarthy knew back in 08 Favre wasn’t fully dedicated and that combined with age are where he wore down.
Also, I wish he would stop with all the fake retirements and phony tears and just say what he wanted all along. He didn’t want to retire from Green Bay in 08, he wanted a way out of town without admitting his true intentions, he wanted to get what he wanted and still be looked upon in a positive light but you can’t have both Brett. Yes, if you admitted you were doing all this so you would have lost some fans but personally I would’ve had more respect for you then than I do now after I’ve seen your true manipulative behavior. Forever gone will be my memories of the ol’ southern boy who just loved the game from my childhood, I now see you for the manipulative egomaniac you really were this whole time.
And that’s the most unfortunate thing about this whole deal to me, it’s not that Favre was a Jet or a Viking, it’s that throughout all of this, I don’t think he was ever genuinely honest in his intentions. He couldn’t just come out like a man and say exactly what he needed to say, he’d rather text various “friends” (Enablers) and “news” sources like he was a seventeen year old girl trying to figure out who to go to prom with.
by Charlie Kelly on Aug 20, 2009 7:45 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Charlie that was right on. I respected him more than any athlete I had ever known and now I have absolute zero respect for him. His word is worth absolutely nothing right now. I don’t know how anyone could believe a word that he says. First its about revenge, then it was never about revenge, then it was about revenge a little, then he’s just an good ole boy who just wants to play ball, then he doesn’t think his body can handle the rigors of a season, now he can no problem. If anyone can find the truth in there please let me know.
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Aug 20, 2009 8:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Charlie and Verno are right!
But think about the Viqueen organization now. Brad Childress said “The book is closed, we’re moving on with what we have at QB.” He has got serious credibility issues. A running back is struggling, Childress says,“Wwe won’t cut you, we drafted you in the 3rd round.” What he means is “Start packing your bags dude!” The team is a mess right now. Favre was never a “plug and play” QB, he had a team that was built around him in Green Bay. The only guy I know who may be “plug and play” in the NFL is Peyton Manning. If Harrell, Pickett and BJ are healthy, AJ, Nick, Aaron and the new guy will be playing “Smear the Queer” and the Queer will be wearing the number 4!!
by biggun33 on Aug 20, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
History teaches us...
….. that human beings will say, do, think and believe just about anything when they’re about to lose what power they have. Childress isn’t above that and he’s far from the last coach who will lie right to his player’s faces if he thinks it will help him keep his job and win games.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 20, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we shouldn’t hang on his every word and just watch the game.
I look at Favre as one of the CEO’s of NFL Football Players; he’s climbed the ladder and he’s in a bigger league where he can do more than the average football player. With that being said, I haven’t seen a CEO of any type of business that could be trusted. They can look you in the eye one minute and promise you the world. The next minute, they can kick you to the curb. Football is a business; it’s not what it was years ago. When you get to the top, unfortunately, most people stop caring about what others think.
With that being said, I put the BS aside and just enjoy the game. Hell with politics!
by packersinNC on Aug 20, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who "Betrayed" who?
LOL yeah it has nothing to do with the fact he was pressured by Ted to hurry up and decide 6 months before camp.
It has nothing to do with he retired rather than commit and change his mind later to the detriment of the team.
It has nothing to do with Ted pushing him out the door and not letting him compete for his starting job.
It has nothing to do with Ted circumventing the draft strategy back in 2004 and taking a top 5 pick that fell to 24th despite the team’s needs of the time to win.
Everyone is so quick to point to Favre’s ego when all he wants to do is play ball and the mud has always been stirred up by Ted trying to save face for drafting the highest paid position in the first round of 2004 and letting him sit unused on the bench for three seasons and then trying to push Brett out the door before he was ready so he could justify his draft pick and subsequent high dollar re-signing.
Favre is a big kid in an old man’s body who wants to play football until the day he dies. He never wanted to leave and now people want to hate him for playing with a team that has both a friend running the offense and a system he knows. Imagine that…
I was a packer fan long before a Favre fan, but I will cheer Favre until Ted is out of this organization. I can’t wish any ill-will against the man when I am ashamed of how our GM has run things from the start.
by Fire Ted Thompson on Aug 20, 2009 8:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep---
I couldn’t agree more—-The man just wants to play football !!! Let it go at that people !!! I started being a Green Bay Packer fan in 1958.. 1-10-1 was the record that year. Always will be a Packer fan with or without Favre…I enjoy watching him play…and I wish him the best in Minnesota. If he takes them to SuperBowl and wins it—-I will be cheering him on !!! He is a Big Kid in an old man’s body—but ya gotta love the way he plays 110% all the time.
by Buddyruff on Aug 20, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"The man just wants to play football"
If that were the case then he wouldn’t have retired, what, three times now…
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Aug 20, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If I may add one addendum...
“The man just wants to play football…”
AS LONG AS HE CAN SKIP TRAINING CAMP!
by NYCPac on Aug 21, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
110% of the time
as long as that doesn’t include training camp, practice, or any other non gameday activities.
by Charlie Kelly on Aug 20, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give me a break
I think it’s fair enough if the man making personal decisions for the ENTIRE TEAM wants a reasonable time period to hear when players will be back to the team or not.
Wouldn’t let him compete for the starting job? I remember McCarthy saying that Brett would be able to compete with Rodgers, but it was Brett who didn’t want that. And for god sakes, would the Packers really allow Rodgers to beat out Favre? No way!
Are you really calling Rodgers a bad draft pick? But, furthermore, an attempt really stick it to Favre? Come on! Where were Favre’s tears when we were drafting Burnell, Detmer, Hasselbeck, Brooks?
Lastly, part of the reason I loved and I believe others loved Favre so much was because he seemed just like everyone else. He showed up to work ALL THE TIME and looked like he was having a blast on the field. Most American’s watching football could totally relate to that. However, he’s lost that by his actions post-packers, well even a little before post packers. It’s not that I am bothered by him coming back. I’m bothered because he’s no longer putting in the same work he used to because he acts above it.
If Favre really feels like the way you stated above, then at least be a man and just say it. He’s not running for president. He’s running from the fans who thought they knew and loved him for their brother’s bed.
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
by Michael M on Aug 20, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Wouldn’t let him compete for the starting job? I remember McCarthy saying that Brett would be able to compete with Rodgers, but it was Brett who didn’t want that. "
Wrong. Ted was adamant that if Brett returned he was welcome – but as a backup and that the “Ship has Sailed” on the decision. McCarthy wanted to open it up to a competition and eventually with public support succeeded and that is when Brett reported. It was after a long meeting between McCarthy and Favre that Brett then left camp and the deal with the Jets was put in motion.
Brett was the one who initially stated all he wanted was a chance to compete for the starting job because of all the “moving forward, ship has sailed” talks TT gave in his press conferences. McCarthy toed the company line of course and supported TT during all those PC’s but in the 11th hour MM showed he was in favor of having the best QB start but then after meeting with Brett and having a long personal conversation the contents of which have never been revealed – came to the conclusion that too much of a rift existed between TT and Favre at that point and he would not be able to focus on the mission at hand.
What about the $20M buy-out to stay retired attempt? Why do you think that happened at all? Why do you think it was turned down? The guy wants to play football and was confident he was the better QB. He would have won the starting job and TT knew it – but was determined to justify his choice at QB one way or another.
I have never said AR isn’t a good QB, but the circumstances of why and how he has become the starter last season is the point of contention. The ends do not always justify the means and I have problems with the ethics of Teddy boy.
by Fire Ted Thompson on Aug 20, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Football is about more than just showing up for the games and getting the glory. Football is about busting your ass in the offseason with your teammates trying to get that little bit of an edge over your opponents. Football is about the feeling that your teammates that sweat and bleed with you during 2 a days in 100 degree heat will have your back like you should have theirs when the going gets tough. Football is about the camaraderie between teammates in the locker room. So with that being said, Brett Favre definitely no longer cares about football. The only thing he cares about is his own interests, whether it is getting revenge on TT or just getting that one extra year in the sun.
Going to the Vikings isn’t what makes me mad about Favre. It is the fact that he thinks he doesn’t need to put in the same work as the rest of the players on the team. It is disrespectful to the guys that put in the work and I just can’t see how anyone on the Vikes can even think of him being a team leader. Players like Jerry Rice and Walter Payton never pulled this junk. As they got older they worked harder just to show the rest of the team that they were not above working.
There is a reason a majority of the players on the Jets last year didn’t like him.
"I agree but dont agree"
by juggernaut400 on Aug 20, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Right on Juggernaut
You hit the nail on the head there. Brett Farve should have to abide by the same rules as the rest of the team and show up for all the training camp and practices leading up to the preseason. Its all about revenge , it hasnt changed a bit from when he went to the Jets. He couldnt get his revenge then, so he played out a year with the Jets, Retired again just so he could come back as a Viking. Anyone that doesnt think this was all planned out is ignorant. Go Pack Go!!
by whooya on Aug 20, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He got his revenge last year too. Tanking the last 5 games cost the Jets the playoffs and simultaneously cost the Packers a higher conditional pick.
"I agree but dont agree"
by juggernaut400 on Aug 20, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since when does
TT determine who the starters are? I could be wrong here but I think MM is the coach? Right.. YES the GM gets the players signed. The coach makes the playing time/ starting decisions. So don’t say it was TT that closed an open competition.
And besidess who had the better numbers last year? Rodgers.. And dont even argue the Jets with Favre had a better record because 1. it is a team game Rodgers could not help the defense and special teams blew leads late. 2. they didnt play the exact same schedule so you can not compare W’s and L’s…
The Packers did the best thing for the franchise. Brett since his Packer retirement will have two years left of playing IF this his last year. Rodgers would have walked if he had to sit another year, thus leaving the Packers with no QB that would have been NFL ready causing a bigger rebuilding session. Instead the go with Rodgers over Favre and looks like it will be just one year of “rebuilding” after the Favre era.
by bizzle4 on Aug 20, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
follow the bouncing ball
The coach reports to the GM. The coach reports to the GM. etc,etc.
How's it taste THOMPSON YOU MORON
by 4 where-ever on Aug 20, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
does that mean that the GM calls the plays too? and throws the td’s and int’s? just following your “logic” to its logical conclusion.
and what exactly is it that Thompson is tasting in your sig?
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Aug 20, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong. Ted was adamant that if Brett returned he was welcome – but as a backup and that the "Ship has Sailed" on the decision. McCarthy wanted to open it up to a competition and eventually with public support succeeded and that is when Brett reported. It was after a long meeting between McCarthy and Favre that Brett then left camp and the deal with the Jets was put in motion.
Because Favre retired, they came to Brett a few months later to see if that was still the case, offering him the job, he was still retired. They moved on like any logical franchise would do (i.e. not the Vikings) Then come July, Favre wants back in so they say he can but as a back up because unlike a certain Minnesota team, they stuck to their word about moving on. And you complained about them drafting Rodgers in 04? When you have a 35 year old QB who has been waffling retirement for two years, it’s time to start looking for a replacement, and you don’t let a steal like Rodgers fall past you at 24.
Brett was the one who initially stated all he wanted was a chance to compete for the starting job because of all the "moving forward, ship has sailed" talks TT gave in his press conferences. McCarthy toed the company line of course and supported TT during all those PC’s but in the 11th hour MM showed he was in favor of having the best QB start but then after meeting with Brett and having a long personal conversation the contents of which have never been revealed – came to the conclusion that too much of a rift existed between TT and Favre at that point and he would not be able to focus on the mission at hand.
No, it was because Favre wasn’t completely dedicated to the job at hand, being the starting QB of that team. You don’t retire in March, sit around till July and say “Hey, I think I wanna play again” That’s not dedication to the team, that’s dedication to oneself.
What about the $20M buy-out to stay retired attempt? Why do you think that happened at all? Why do you think it was turned down? The guy wants to play football and was confident he was the better QB. He would have won the starting job and TT knew it – but was determined to justify his choice at QB one way or another.
I won’t try to justify the 20M buy out, that was a lame attempt by Thompson to keep Favre retired. But it’s not because he was afraid of Rodgers not beating Favre in camp, as we’ve already seen at this point in their careers, Rodgers is the superior QB. The reason I think Thompson did this was to keep Favre away from another team and I can’t blame him, would you wanna be the GM who trades the cities hero away to a rival?
I have never said AR isn’t a good QB, but the circumstances of why and how he has become the starter last season is the point of contention. The ends do not always justify the means and I have problems with the ethics of Teddy boy.
You have a problem with Ted’s antics when Brett has misused the NFL’s retirement system to get his way? Maybe you need to get over your angst about Ted trading away your hero and start looking at said hero in a different light.
by Charlie Kelly on Aug 20, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT
Thats like telling your soon to be exwife…yeh come on back and be my mistress I have a new girl freind now, soon to be my wife.
How's it taste THOMPSON YOU MORON
by 4 where-ever on Aug 20, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ummmm...no it's not
as many people like to point out, this is a business. what other business would be willing to just wait around for a superstar to decide whether he actually meant his retirement or if it was just a phony one to get people to throw him a going away party?
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Aug 20, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"It has nothing to do with he retired rather than commit and change his mind later to the detriment of the team."
Uh, what? So he wouldn’t say he’d play because he was afraid he would change his mind, but saying he retired and changing his mind (3 f***ing times!) isn’t detrimental to his team(s)?
Please.
You may have been a Packer fan in the past but if you’re rooting for Favre until Ted is gone, you’re not a Packer fan anymore. You’re a camp-follower. A frontrunner.
And in a word, pathetic.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 20, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fire Ted Thompson
I agree, why doesnt everyone point the blame where it should be pointed? Thompson was and is the smoking gun behind the whole mess with Favre. I am a Packer fan but am ashamed of what that has come down to. I hope Brett kicks ass against the Packers just so TT can go crawl away somewhere.
by favre4evr on Aug 24, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This statement
I hope Brett kicks ass against the Packers
makes this statement
I am a Packer fan
a pure, absolute LIE!!!
The glass is more than half-full.
by NorthStarr on Aug 25, 2009 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 examples of TT genius
Greg Jennings and Ryan Grant(for a 6th round pick). How many 1,000 yard rushers were there taken in 6th round? I seriously hope Brett gets what he wants, I just don’t think the Vikes got it this year.
by JeremyH on Aug 20, 2009 10:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
More examples of TT genius
6-10
The O-line
Justin Bustin Harrell
The Immortal Brian Brohm
All-World AJ Sparrow
Mason “I replaced a better kicker” Crosby
All Packer punters
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Aug 20, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about..
Nick Collins
Greg Jennings
13-3 NFC Championship appearance
Aaron Rodgers
Ryan Pickett
Charles Woodson
Taking the issues from Sherman (Over the cap, aging players) and fixing them while remaining competitive for the most part.
Finally standing up to Brent Favre like the enablers Sherman and Rhodes never could.
by Charlie Kelly on Aug 20, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
O-line
I hate to say it, but Shermie had a better o-line. TT inherited a good line and it’s declined under his tenure. Yes, it would have been really difficult to keep it intact considering the cap problems, but hey, that’s no problem for a genius, right? The pick-up-bargains-in-the-late-rounds strategy hasn’t worked so well. One of the knocks on Shermie was that he never got a punter, but guess what? Neither has TT.
Nick Collins, sure. How about the Immortal Aaron Rouse?
TT has his hits. He also has a good number of misses. He’s just average to slightly below average, just like the team on the field.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Aug 20, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sherman had a better o-line because he inherited almost all of it from Wolf.
Didn’t he? Wolf got Tauscher and Clifton before Sherman took over. I’m pretty sure he got the rest of them too. Virtually ever good player on the roster during the Sherman era was acquired when Wolf was GM. Sherman was maybe the worst GM in GB since Forrest “Robbie Bosco” Gregg.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 20, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
however
All the same, Shermie had the good sense not to mess with it.
If TT is a genius and Shermie a moron, it should’ve been easy for TT to outdo Shermie. What gives?
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Aug 20, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't the one saying TT was a genius.
But if you’re going to count every player on the roster under each of their regimes regardless of who secured them and best record and advancement in the playoffs regardless of timing in the regime, then TT already has outdone Sherman by having a team win 13 games and advancing to the the NFC championship game. Sherman’s teams never did either one of those things.
I don’t think Sherman was a moron. He was a good (not great) coach. His biggest failing on that front was his unwillingness or inability to reduce the number of picks Favre threw (something McCarthy managed to do) and his loyalty to ineffective position coaches. He was, however, a terrible GM.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 20, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention that TT inherited a team that was in Salary Cap hell.
The main reason guys like Sharper, Whale and Rivera were let go was the fact that we were gonna be $30million over the cap with those guys on the team.
"I agree but dont agree"
by juggernaut400 on Aug 20, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those players
Sharper, Whale, and Rivera were all going down hill. Their numbers were decreasing while their age was increasing. Sharper may have had a few good years in MN but none like when he was like a Packer. Whale and Rivera neither had great years after they left. They wanted big/long term contracts TT was smart to not give it to them when they were declining
by bizzle4 on Aug 21, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So the best thing you can say about him is that TT is good at getting rid of guys who are past their prime. Hardly a ringing endorsement from his supporters.
It’s easy to get rid of guys, harder to find suitable replacements. Just ask TT.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Aug 21, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thompson is good
Not to mix metaphors, but no GM hits a home run with every move. But he’s made a lot of good moves. Here’s an excellent rundown of his draft choices.
He doesn’t make a lot of moves in free agency, but he hasn’t let a free agent leave that the team has missed. They would’ve been much better with with Wahle and Rivera on the line in 2005, but since Rivera rarely played after 2005, and Wahle has missed a lot of time (and both are now retired), even those moves in hindsight look good. And since most free agents in recent years have seemed more likely to be a bust after one year then a success, it’s good he’s stayed clear of that sucker’s market.
by Brandon on Aug 22, 2009 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Repeatedly drafting zeroes
is not the same as “not messing” with a lineup.
by NYCPac on Aug 21, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you talking about Shermie or TT?
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Aug 21, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
another good example
Charles Woodson!!
by bizzle4 on Aug 20, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Dome
has always played poorly in the dome if memory serves. If anybody has numbers to back that up though, correct me.
I do believe he won his last four starts as a Packer in the metro dome……
Now, this year, with the fans on his side up there, it should be a lot easier when you don’t have to go on silent cadence and signals instead of audibles all the time.
This whole thing is a major headace. And we can blame it mostly on TT and McCarthy, if they had acted like they wanted to win wtih Favre, this would never have happened, sure, Favre would have waffeled on his retirement, but thnigs would not have turned out like this.
TT did nothing to show Favre he was wanted, actually most of what he did, makes it look like he wanted Favre to retire, he has ruined the O-line, the running game isn’t the same, even though Grant had over 1000 yds last year.
2007 was not a fluke, it was Brett Favre playing like his old self, leading the team, makeing the guys around him better, it was Favre calling the right plays on the field, he was mostly given a run/pass option to call in the huddle, and then execute on what he saw pre-snap. in 2007, we were only a power runner, or a big physical wr away from the SB.
This is NOT a shot at Aaron Rodgers, he had a great year in 2008, and hopefully he’s not a one-year wonder.
This i only a shot at TT and McCarthy !
by Jarlsberg on Aug 20, 2009 10:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree on the dome thing.
I don’t think his negative history there is remotely predictive of how he’ll play this year now that he’s playing for the home team.
Let’s face it: barring injury Favre’s going to put up huge numbers in the first 10 weeks. I suspect he’ll wear down late as he has the last several years, but the Vikings are going to break fast out of the gate.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 20, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just wondering
Does anybody ACTUALLY think that the day Ted Thompson was hired that he smiled devilishly, twirled his invisible handlebar mustache, and began devising ways to get chase away Brett Favre, even if it meant intentionally making the team worse in an attempt to alienate and annoy his best player to get him to go away? Even though intentionally making the team worse would theoretically threaten his own job in the process. Does anyone REALLY think that?
I can understand not liking TT. I think that he has made some mistakes and I would like to see him be a little more aggressive with some mid-level free agents but overall I like him, but I definitely can see how you can hate him. But do you really think that TT was so focused on running out Favre that he did so to the detriment of the team?
If so, it seems a little…strange
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Aug 20, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
egotism
The reality is that Favre is a self-motivated and autonomous agent within a business. Unfortunately, that conflicts with the desires of some Packer fans for him to serve their interests by acting out sentimental fantasies of him retiring as a Packer, wearing green-n-gold pyjamas to bed at night, etc. I see a lot of egotism here — on the side of Packer fans.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Aug 20, 2009 12:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Packer fans were the only ones
calling him out for his ego-mania then you might have a point. But even ESPN commented as they showed his plane landing, “and the Ego has landed.”
From the Packers fans I see them being PACKERS FANS. The Vikings are the enemy. What kind of a reaction would you expect? A warm welcome? My young son is a recent (within the last 5 years) Packers fan, his reaction was enlightening. He said, ‘good, now Favre can destroy the Vikings from within also. This should be a good year for the Packers. And now when Aaron Rogers beats Favre twice all of the comparisons will stop.’
Wise beyond his years at 14.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Aug 20, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, not wise, just parroting the the disturbing overzealousness and misplaced rage taught to him by a father who puts way, waaaaaay too much stock in a leisure activity instead of concentrating on teachings that might help him in his future.
“destroying the Vikings from within”. “This should be a good year”.
It’s always nice to see the next generation of far-too-involved sports fanatics coming to fruition.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Aug 20, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
further proof that you're just stating whatever you can
that is contrary to the post you’re replying to. personal attacks? cmon.
by whorge on Aug 21, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Packers are the one's with the Ego?!?!?!
Wow…just…wow
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Aug 20, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's pretty unbelievable and laughable really......
That Packer fans just CAN’T LET IT GO. Beyond all the jokes and cutting remarks both pro and con this issue…..
Do any Packer fans really understand how pathetic all of this sounds? My analogy yesterday fit perfectly.
Packer fans are Brett’s disturbed, stalker ex-girlfriend. You can’t let a relationship that went bad 2 YEARS ago end. You can’t stop talking about him even though he’s put you behind him long ago and has had another relationship (NY Jets) since then. Always with an opinion about the way he’s living his life. Always talking about how great your new guy is compared to your old guy, but always having something to say whenever his name is brought up. Clucking to all your friends like a lonely Hen how you hate the way he’s treating his new girlfriend (Vikings) already and how you hope his new relationship fails miserably even though you’ve “moved on” and you’re “happy” with where you are. Yeah, right.
Crazy, pathetic ex-girlfriend.
Puh-leeze.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Aug 20, 2009 2:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not Hardly...
The jilted one is Favre who can’t let the fact that Thompson and McCarthy didn’t play his patsy like Sherman and Bevell did.. Don’t let his words fool you, he IS playing to stick it to Thompson and by extension ALL Packer fans!! Favre is being the manipulative ex GF who hasn’t gotten over it…
Packer fans, save for the vocal minority, are past fed up w/ #4 and his drama… We would have liked to have remembered him as our favored son, but he has destroyed any chance of that w/ his petty self absorbed ego maniacal action of the past 2 years!
Do we feel betrayed?? Damn right we do… We gave him our praise and money and cheered him like no other, and he has essentially turned his back on the people who gave him most everything he has…
He has a right to play for whomever he wants, but that doesn’t mean we don’t have a right to do or feel how we do either!!!
by Strohman on Aug 20, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wrong wrong wrong toooo much cheese
How's it taste THOMPSON YOU MORON
by 4 where-ever on Aug 20, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
U R absolutly right
Divorce is bad no matter who pulls the trigger. The problem I have is they blame Brett. It was TT that ended the program, and with GB being a community held team why not fire TT. Stock holders have the right to fire management in most worlds.
How's it taste THOMPSON YOU MORON
by 4 where-ever on Aug 20, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except that these stockholders have no voting rights.
"I agree but dont agree"
by juggernaut400 on Aug 20, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"It was TT that ended the program"
BRETT RETIRED!!!! HE CRIED AT HIS RETIREMENT PRESS CONFERENCE! He said he had nothing left. And Ted committed the horrible sin of…… believing him.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 20, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MAN are you the only one that gets this.
I am fearful that half of Wisconsin, certainly all of Green Bay is going to kill themselves if the Vikings win anything with Brett as QB.
How's it taste THOMPSON YOU MORON
by 4 where-ever on Aug 20, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and how would it feel for Vikings fans to FINALLY win a Super Bowl and to have the man you HATED for 16 years be the one holding the trophy and taking all the glory? just curious
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Aug 20, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I think Favre is Ted Thompson's disturbed,stalker ex-girlfriend.
He came back after a bitter break-up when Ted had moved on. When Ted told him it was over, Brett showed up at the family (night) reunion and tried to move into Ted’s house, only to be escorted out by security. Then Brett got a new boyfriend on the rebound (The Jets), which predictably ended badly.
But does Ted’s disturbed ex-girlfriend finally sigh, eat a pint of ice cream and move on with her life? Nope. Instead, Brett takes up with Ted’s bitter rival and tells everyone it’s true love and not about revenge or spite.
For cripes sakes, if the sport involved were a sailing race to pay Grandma’s mortgage or a ski-race off a suicidally high mountain, this would be an 80’s era John Cusack film!
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 20, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Puh-leeze.
well guys…he brought the out the argument ender again.
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Aug 20, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And playing to "stick it" (I'm assuming that you either can read minds or you have something on tape that you're so sure of this theory being fact) to the Packers matters why again?
Oh, that’s right….
It’s because YOU, as the old girlfriend who still has unresolved feelings and misplaced ideals of loyalty from someone who has moved on CAN’T LET IT GO.
Brett doesn’t love you anymore, Packer fan. You broke up 2 years ago. he’s moved on. He’s living his life. why do you care what he does? Why do you care about the way he’s treating his new girlfriend? Why are you still talking about him when he never talks about you? He’s trying to be the bigger man by leaving you be and now he’s with the girl he really wanted to be with 2 years ago but couldn’t because you were so hurt and crazy that you couldn’t let it happen and now you’re still bitching and complaining about it even though it’s where he wants to be!
Jeez! Let it go already!
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Aug 20, 2009 3:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Enough with the lame ex girlfriend analogy
Who are you to say who can do or say what. You defend Brett’s decision to do what he wants but then tell us we should all just shut up about it followed by biting commentary like “Puh-leeze”. If you think Packers fans are the only ones tired of Favre’s constant flip flopping and manipulating ways, you’re mistaken. Living in Minneapolis, I’ve heard from many people who aren’t deluded by the idea Favre is their missing piece to the puzzle, and they’re sick to their stomach about how their team has bent over backwards for one of their biggest rivals.
by Charlie Kelly on Aug 20, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its the Media that won’t let it drop. As soon as sportscenter stops covering his every move then this will come to an end. Derrick Mason retired and unretired for the Ravens and nobody even knew it happened.
I have mixed opinions. Part of me thinks I am glad he is in Minn because I think he is totally washed up. The other part of me is scared that if Brett does suck, Childress is for sure gone. I would rather have Childress there for as long as he can. Bottom line- I don’t care that he is there, I just don’t want to hear about it on the news anymore.
Go Pack
"I agree but dont agree"
by juggernaut400 on Aug 20, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it's not a "lame" analogy, it's exactly the way it is and it's exactly the way you sound.
As someone on the outside looking in, this is the way it looks. If this was 2 years ago and things went down then like they are now, then I’d say yes, you have every right to feel this way but it’s been 2 YEARS! Whether it was Favre’s fault or the team’s, the team had the final say and when it came right down to it, it was the TEAM who said “that ship has sailed”. They put the final stamp on things. They signed the pink slip. that final “goodbye” gives him carte blanche to do whatever he wants with whomever he wants.
I never said you should or shouldn’t feel the way you do. Everyone has that right.
It does however make you as fans look petty and sad.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Aug 20, 2009 3:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
When did I ever say he couldn't do what he wanted?
Maybe you need to reread my post. He can play wherever he wants, the only thing I did was criticize him for how he went about it (Retiring, unretiring, press conference, tears, texting)
by Charlie Kelly on Aug 20, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And again, a Packer fan worrying and complaining about a player they USED to have and the way he's doing things now.
Right now if I was Packer fan I’d be worrying less about how the “evil, eotistical” Brett Favre is going to (hopefully) bring about the destruction of the Vikings and worry more about how your team is going to do better than 6-10 and another season of irrelevance in the NFC.
Nah. It’s more fun to talk about something that you used to have but you’re really over now, right?
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Aug 20, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Packer fan not worried
The Packers are going to kick ass no matter who is at QB for your ViQueens!!!
by Yooper5379 on Aug 20, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My "ViQueens"?
I don’t own the team, you silly Goose!
6-10 with the QB you wanted, right?
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Aug 20, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
6-10
with a QB that will be starting with a year of experience. With a QB that is taking charge of his offense. With a QB that will undoubtedly be better this year. I’m expecting at least 9-7
by Yooper5379 on Aug 20, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
with a QB that has a future. One that is not going to be 40 years old! A QB that is willing to put in the extra work for his team.
And I love how you always point out the Packers record. Hey we sucked last year but 1. that was last year 2. The Vikings lost to such a crappy team!!!!!!!! And their one win against this said crappy team was by a point!!! Wow lets praise the Vikes some more Puh-leeze
by bizzle4 on Aug 20, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm......... Didn't all that stuff you just wrote about the Vikings happen LAST YEAR too?
What a dope. Shooting down your own thought process!
“That was last year!” “That was last year!”
Oops.
EPIC FAIL.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Aug 20, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no just restating...
The Packers will be a better team this year than last. The Vikings were a weak divisional winner last year, that was shown by their early playoff exit. The Packers improved this offseason the Vikings not as much. So if they could barely beat a weak Packer team last year, this year will be a shocker for Viking fans
by bizzle4 on Aug 20, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, the point you were trying to make was that all I'm doing is using LAST YEAR's 6-10 Packer's finish to "attack' with and you were trying to say that none of that matters since it was "Last Year".
Then you try to “get me back” telling me about the Viking’s failings LAST YEAR!
That’s what you were saying.
Again, EPIC FAIL.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Aug 20, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, you are so right about our 6-10 season last year. That is one of your main replies, right? Imagine where we would have been with another 9 interceptions and 9 fewer TDs accounted for from our QB.
"I agree but dont agree"
by juggernaut400 on Aug 20, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I try not to "imagine" potential scenarios.
I like cold, hard facts.
6-10 with Aaron Rodgers is a cold, hard fact.
The Jets 9-7 with Brett Favre is a cold, hard fact.
It’s interesting that if the Pack had been 12-4 last season there would be plenty of sqwaking but since you finished 6-10 it’s all so “last year”.
Interesting, indeed.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Aug 20, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The cold hard fact is that Favre laid an egg in the last 5 games last year. He was hurt and his ego wouldn’t let him sit out and let a healthy guy play. He put his “streak” ahead of the goals of the team.
2Tds and 9 Ints in the last 5 games (1 and 7 in the 4 losses) are the facts.
The Jets and their 9-7 record sitting next to the Packers watching the playoffs on TV- Fact
Favre is an egotistical turd regardless of the team he choses to play on- Fact
"I agree but dont agree"
by juggernaut400 on Aug 20, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 6-10 record
was not a result of Aaron Rodgers play. It was the result of a terrible run defense. This is a cold hard fact.
by massey1984 on Aug 21, 2009 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"What a dope"
“Remember kids…. petty and cheap shotish doesn’t make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish.”
Hypocrite much?
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 20, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, what do you care about what I or anyone else here decide to talk about?
You could be focused on how your Chargers will actually get to the Superbowl if they can ever beat Pittsburgh or New England when it counts. But hey, you’re too busy telling everyone here to get over Favre. So if I want to discuss how I feel about the Favre situation, I ask again who are you to tell me what I can or cannot discuss? And if you don’t like the Favre talk here, like the man himself said “Don’t watch”
by Charlie Kelly on Aug 20, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I've already stated that as a fan of the NFL and with desperate Packer fans still making this a story to talk about, I thought i'd come in here to see what the hub-bub was all about.
And I haven’t been dissappointed!
Packer fans really are a pretty desperate lot!
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Aug 20, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it would seem to me that you're just really here to troll
I mean you’re supposedly a fan of the Chargers but have made a grand total of zero comments at their site. You talk about how sad we are, but what’s more sad than a troll on an internet site. Now go ahead and say something witty about an ex or desperation
by Charlie Kelly on Aug 20, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as lame as it is for fans to act like “stalker ex’s” its just as lame for you to come over here and brag about how you are now f**king our decrepit old sugardaddy. Maybe your handle should be “theannanicholesmithofblogging”
Better use a condom
"I agree but dont agree"
by juggernaut400 on Aug 20, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd try to comment back, but what you wrote makes absolutely no sense.
I can just picture you in the bedroom of you parent’s garage………. err, I mean YOUR APARTMENT……… sucking down another 64 oz. Slurpee and pounding away on the keyboard with a 1000 unfunny insults floating around in your head and not being able to construct a coherent thought to write down.
“I’ll show him!” “He can’t talk about the Pack that way”! “Mom! More Totino’s Pizza Rolls! I’m writin’ here!!!”
What a dolt.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Aug 20, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question for Themanthemyththelegend
I’m brand new to this site, so I’m very curious to know:
Why are you so rude?
by CalBear81 on Aug 20, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's his thing
his e-peen is growing larger by the minute.. seriously, why encourage him.
by whorge on Aug 21, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, man.
Read your own tag-line before you hit the post button. Anyone playing the “parent’s garage” and “64oz Slurpee” cards, not to mention referencing the mother of someone they disagree with has left the path of reason.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 20, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It just shows that some of us are getting under his skin
however, a 64oz Slurpee does sound good about now. lol
"I agree but dont agree"
by juggernaut400 on Aug 20, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
to Mr. Myth
You think I live in MY parents basement? I come to ONE football blog to talk about my favorite team. I don’t have time nor do I care what people think about their own teams so I don’t go to their blogs to chat about them.
You are obviously not a Packer fan, yet you have the time and interest to be able to go invade a Packer blog just to talk shit about how bad Packer fans are. I think it is YOU that lives in the parents basement.
The fact of the matter is that Packer fans are amongst the best fans in the league. We always sell out the stadium and don’t need to sign an over the hill QB to sell tickets and merchandise. We will always support our team regardless of wins or losses and we reserve the right to complain the loudest when our team doesn’t perform up to our expectations. You keep bringing up our 6-10 record last year like it is a dagger to our heart 7 months after the fact. Yes, keep beating a dead horse. It seems to be your only comeback.
One question for the myth:
Does pizza roll grease make for good lube when getting busy to your Princess Leia poster?
"I agree but dont agree"
by juggernaut400 on Aug 20, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
stadium tickets
I’m not living in GB but I have a lot of family that was born, raised, and will probably die in GB. After visiting, I can understand why you don’t have a problem selling tickets. Other than drinking in pubs, hunting, fishing, and snowmobiling, it’s not a whole lot going on from what I could see. Football is a way of life there; everything is green & gold. Fence post, bird feeders,etc. I don’t mean this as an insult so please don’t take it that way; it’s some beautiful land and I always enjoy visiting. However, it’s no doubt that the people live for football there. So, I can understand why tickets sell out.
by packersinNC on Aug 20, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what else does this guy have to do to get banned?
i’m not talking about the trolling but man have some respect for people. difference of opinion is one thing, but come on
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Aug 20, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But hey, it's been nice talking to you and all, you've provided me with some real insight
But I’ve got to go now, you make sure to leave me some more cute comments so I can come back and make you look silly again, K princess?
by Charlie Kelly on Aug 20, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mocking and calling me "princess" is your sad attempt to be condescending?
That’s all you’ve got?
Have all my words tweaked a strand of truth in your heart and all you can do is petty insults now?
Are you sad?
Do you need a tissue?
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Aug 20, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, NOW you're calling out others for petty insults?
Really? So far in this thread you’ve called persons dolts, dopes, accused them of living in their parent’s garage and eating nothing but junk food brought to them by their mothers, and you think you’ve got the moral high ground when someone calls you a name?
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 20, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No reply Themanthemyththelegend?
I think his mommy told him it was time he and kermit went to bed!
by Yooper5379 on Aug 20, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hypocritical much?
You criticize me for petty insults yet you call other people “dolts” and use the lamest internet comeback ever “I bet you live in your parent’s basement”. Try harder.
by Charlie Kelly on Aug 21, 2009 3:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lame??? Maybe not!
What gets me about the Packer fans that continue to complain about Favre is that no one knows how the games will turn out…..not even Brett. It’s a 50/50 chance either way. Brett could get mud on his face if it was for revenge and or TT could get mud on his face if Brett takes the Vikings to the SB. With all the whining about betrayal, etc. it does appear that these Packer fans doubt Aaron’s ability to win against Brett. It’s as though they feel threatened by him although they say he is all used up, etc. Which way is it? I can’t figure it out. Forget what Favre is doing with his life and back the Pack. Have faith in your team and sit back and enjoy the games.
by packersinNC on Aug 20, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
March 6, 2008 to August 20, 2009 is now two years? Throw a Puh-leeze at the end of that and I have no defense.
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Aug 20, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only one...
Who is now so bored with themousetheduplicitousthejoke that I simply skip his posts?
by NYCPac on Aug 21, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no tarnish
Impossible to tarnish. GB fans feel bad, they want to scream or cry but don’t know why. They take it personal and forget it is #1 a business and each player is a contractor, #2 it is about Brett Favre 4 Brett Favre. Do you think these weepy GB fans that are scared to pieces would just dig in their pockets and hand Brett 12 million. I don’t think so. So heres a plan for all you shock victims…GROW UP, live your life not Bretts, and give up football if it can’t meet your expectations. But don’t ask him to.
- forever wherever
How's it taste THOMPSON YOU MORON
by 4 where-ever on Aug 20, 2009 3:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ve never followed the Packers, and never had strong feelings one way or the other about Brett Favre, except to recognize that he was a very fine player. And his achievements as a player can never be taken away. But unfortunately, now he seems like kind of a clown; one more of that seemingly endless stream of annoying, pointless, spoiled-brat celebrities who get way too much attention in this country.
It seems to me that Favre was shocked that the Packers didn’t come groveling to him one more time, begging him not to retire, and that’s what his ridiculous antics over the past two years have been about. But all he has really managed to do his make himself into a national joke.
I think the Packers are well-rid of the guy, since he no longer seems to understand the concept of being part of a team. You have got a great future with Aaron Rodgers, so enjoy that, and forget the other guy. (Yes, I am a little prejudiced as a graduate and life-long fan of the University of California, but what he did for us was outstanding, and I think he will do even more for you.)
by CalBear81 on Aug 20, 2009 5:23 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
In my parents basement my group of friends I have given Favre the codename “Redneck T.O.”
I don’t expect Favre to be doing any situps on TV anytime soon though.
"I agree but dont agree"
by juggernaut400 on Aug 20, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
“But unfortunately, now he seems like kind of a clown; one more of that seemingly endless stream of annoying, pointless, spoiled-brat celebrities who get way too much attention in this country.
It seems to me that Favre was shocked that the Packers didn’t come groveling to him one more time, begging him not to retire, and that’s what his ridiculous antics over the past two years have been about. But all he has really managed to do his make himself into a national joke."
I think that might be the smartest thing I’ve read yet about this whole situation. Well done. If I’m sad I think that’s mostly why, though I can’t deny that the fact that he picked the Vikings doesn’t wrankle a bit.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 20, 2009 7:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Reply fail.
That’s supposed to be a reply to CalBear81’s post.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 20, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
People seem to be forgetting...
that Brett Favre would intimate a possible thought for retiring any time he wanted to send the national media into a tizzy for about three or four seasons before his FIRST actual retirement. In his interview with Greta van Puppet on Fox, Favre admitted that what most upset him about TT was the fact that Favre wanted his way on three personnel issues and TT dared to act like a GM rather than Favre’s tool… and Favre seemed totally indifferent to the fact that what he wanted would have been horrible for the team EACH of the three times.
I used to think that Favre was just mischievous with the mentions of maybe retiring, making the talking heads move when he wanted. After that Fox interview, I think that it is safe to presume that Favre has been manipulating for a very long time, but we fans were too blinded by our rooting to be ready to hear about his personality flaws.
As to fan anger… I stopped being ticked long ago. My first suspicion that Favre might lack honor was the Michael Strahan fake sack. He totally seemed to not understand that anything was wrong with what he did.
Also, I guess that I will never forget when my first Packer hero, James Lofton, displayed feet of clay in a stairwell when I was a kid. Chmura, Favre, even Reggie… just because they were excellent players on our favorite team does not make them beyond reproach in their personal lives also.
by NYCPac on Aug 21, 2009 8:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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