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Analysis: Green Bay Packers defeat Bills 31-21

This was another impressive win. While the first team offense and defense were on the field, the Green Bay Packers jumped out to a 21-0 lead and Buffalo committed 3 turnovers. RB Ryan Grant ran well and QB Aaron Rodgers had time to find open receivers. The defensive front seven were constantly in Buffalo's backfield, and QB Trent Edwards was usually on the run. It was by far Buffalo's worst preseason game this season. 

Unfortunately there were a couple injuries. According to Tom Pelissero:

  • QB Matt Flynn had a shoulder sprain but he feels OK.
  • S Nick Collins has bruised ribs. The x-rays were negative, but he'll probably take it slowly next week.
  • Undrafted rookie TE Devin Frischknecht was taken to the hospital with a shin injury. 

There aren't a lot of starting jobs being fought for in training camp. DT B.J. Raji is trying to start ahead of DE Johnny Jolly, but it seems like a given that Raji will be the starter at some point. LB Clay Matthews, LB Jeremy Thompson, and LB Brady Poppinga are battling for the starting outside LB spot, but Poppinga is winning that by default as the others are still being held out with injuries. On the offensive line, C Scott Wells outplayed RG Josh Sitton in this game while RT Allen Barbre outplayed RT Breno Giacomini, but Pete Dougherty believes Sitton is ahead of Wells. One play shouldn't knock a player out of a starting job, but the one block that Giacomini blew led to Flynn's injured throwing shoulder, so it's a bit more glaring.

Yes, it was just one game, and yes, it was just one preseason game, but it couldn't have gone much better. Continue after the jump for the complete game review.

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For my complete game review, I'm using the NFL.com play-by-play.

First Quarter

(13:06) (Shotgun) 23-M.Lynch left tackle to BUF 29 for -1 yards (77-C.Jenkins).

It's good to see DE Cullen Jenkins healthy and busting into the opponent's backfield again.

(12:36) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 5-T.Edwards pass deep left intended for 83-L.Evans INTERCEPTED by 51-B.Poppinga (36-N.Collins) at BUF 45. 51-B.Poppinga to BUF 37 for 8 yards (63-G.Hangartner).

The refs have their preseason too. S Nick Collins got to WR Lee Evans early and they could have called pass interference. But Collins still looked great, he seemed to be all over the field, before they pulled him early due to a rib injury.

(11:18) 25-R.Grant right tackle to BUF 23 for 1 yard (95-K.Williams, 99-M.Stroud).

If your keeping track whether C Scott Wells or RG Josh Sitton should start, DT Marcus Stroud shoved Sitton aside to tackle RB Ryan Grant at the line of scrimmage.

(8:57) 25-R.Grant left tackle to BUF 17 for -2 yards (56-K.Ellison).

Getting stuffed on 4th and 1 might be a sign that the Packers' offensive line is struggling. Buffalo committed all their linebackers into the middle determined to stop the run. On this play, there were just more defenders then blockers on the line. This overcommitment comes back to bite them.

(8:53) 5-T.Edwards sacked at BUF 9 for -3 yards (97-J.Jolly).

(7:43) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 5-T.Edwards sacked at BUF 5 for -7 yards (97-J.Jolly). FUMBLES (97-J.Jolly), RECOVERED by GB-50-A.Hawk at BUF 5. 50-A.Hawk to BUF 5 for no gain (5-T.Edwards).

It was a nice play by DE Johnny Jolly, but I can't say enough how about unimpressed I was by Buffalo's offensive line. They played back on their heels the entire game. The 1st string defense killed them with speed from the linebackers and power from the defensive lineman. On the sack, LB A.J. Hawk and LB Brandon Chillar just ran right around the offensive lineman in a second. QB Trent Edwards was either running for his life or throwing quick 5 yard outs to avoid the rush. Buffalo's O-line wasn't good last season and they jettisoned three starters, including current Packer C Duke Preston, from that group. They're rebuilding their line, and it's just not ready. 

(7:33) 12-A.Rodgers pass short left to 85-G.Jennings for 5 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

Once again, Buffalo run blitzed their linebackers to fill the gaps in a short yardage situation. This time, QB Aaron Rodgers dropped back and hit WR Greg Jennings on a quick slant. The cornerback was outside and Rodgers threw it inside where there were no linebackers back in coverage. 

(4:09) 12-A.Rodgers pass short right to 88-J.Finley to BUF 35 for 21 yards (20-D.Whitner).

This was one of many plays by TE Jermichael Finley. He was showing off what he can do in the passing game. He was running by their linebackers and is too big for their corners and safeties. He showed the same thing last week vs. Cleveland. He'll have to prove it during the regular season too, but so far, he's looking like a big, dangerous target in the middle of the field.

The Packers march down 79 yards for their 2nd TD. The offense looked great, but this was some plain vanilla defense. They used a four man rush that wasn't providing enough pass pressure, their linebackers were focused on the run, and their secondary and linebackers were getting killed in single coverage. The offense looked better than the defense, but their defense would have played it differently during the regular season.

(:29) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 5-T.Edwards pass short left to 22-F.Jackson to BUF 43 for 13 yards (21-C.Woodson).

This was the first play I noticed with DT B.J. Raji and he dropped into pass coverage. He seemed to have no trouble with the Buffalo offensive line, but you could say the same thing for Jolly and Jenkins. Like I said above, I wasn't impressed at all with Buffalo's O-line.

Second Quarter

(13:59) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 5-T.Edwards pass short middle to 22-F.Jackson to BUF 41 for 4 yards (77-C.Jenkins). FUMBLES (77-C.Jenkins), RECOVERED by GB-51-B.Poppinga at BUF 41. 51-B.Poppinga to BUF 41 for no gain (63-G.Hangartner).

The fumble was all Jenkins. He read the screen, avoided all the offensive lineman trying to block him, and stripped RB Fred Jackson. It's the 2nd turnover for LB Brady Poppinga who's been in the right place at the right time on both of them.

(13:15) 25-R.Grant left guard to BUF 22 for 14 yards (20-D.Whitner, 24-T.McGee).

In the battle for the starting right tackle job, RT Breno Giacomini blew open the entire middle of the field for Grant to run through on this play.

(12:08) 12-A.Rodgers pass short left to 25-R.Grant to BUF 10 for 13 yards (92-R.Denney).

The Packers are usually lousy on screen passes, but this one worked. C Scott Wells came off clean and made a block to spring Grant for a few extra yards.

(10:54) 12-A.Rodgers pass short right to 80-D.Driver for 5 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

The description doesn't show Rodgers scrambling and waiting for WR Donald Driver to get open. The pass was behind Driver, but the defender couldn't get to it.

(7:12) 32-B.Jackson right end ran ob at BUF 46 for 4 yards (43-B.Scott). PENALTY on GB-78-A.Barbre, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at 50 - No Play.

By this point, RT Allen Barbre is behind Giacomini in the starting right tackle battle. 

(3:57) (No Huddle) 14-R.Fitzpatrick up the middle to BUF 34 for 1 yard (55-D.Bishop).

This could have been a big play for Buffalo. The coverage was great, but the defensive lineman were blocked and lost contain. QB Ryan Fitzpatrick had the entire middle of the field open, but LB Desmond Bishop kept his contain and tackled him.

(3:16) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 14-R.Fitzpatrick pass incomplete deep right to 17-J.Jenkins (29-A.Smith).

I'm really starting to like free agent S Anthony Smith, but then he drops a INT thrown right to him. That doesn't mean he isn't a good backup, but I can see he's talented and I can also see why he lost his starting job in Pittsburgh.

(2:00) 11-B.Brohm pass short right to 87-J.Nelson ran ob at GB 32 for 10 yards (26-A.Youboty).

(1:54) (Shotgun) 11-B.Brohm pass short middle to 87-J.Nelson to GB 45 for 13 yards (30-K.Simpson).

(1:31) (Shotgun) 11-B.Brohm pass incomplete deep right to 89-J.Jones (46-E.Lankster). PENALTY on BUF-46-E.Lankster, Defensive Pass Interference, 34 yards, enforced at GB 45 - No Play.
(1:06) (Shotgun) 11-B.Brohm pass short left intended for 82-R.Martin INTERCEPTED by 27-R.Corner at BUF 9. 27-R.Corner to BUF 12 for 3 yards (82-R.Martin).

I'm a fan of QB Brian Brohm. He's clearly the 3rd QB on the roster, but that doesn't mean he isn't getting better. He's a talented pocket passer. He showed a little of it on back-to-back completions to WR Jordy Nelson. Unfortunately he then threw too late and behind to WR James Jones, but the defender hit Jones as he was trying to catch up to the play. The interception wasn't intended for WR Ruvell Martin; he was trying to hit Nelson underneath but he overthrew it. Either way, the pass that was intercepted was a bad decision.

(:41) (Shotgun) 14-R.Fitzpatrick sacked at BUF 26 for -5 yards (59-B.Jones). FUMBLES (59-B.Jones), RECOVERED by GB-55-D.Bishop at BUF 26. 55-D.Bishop to BUF 26 for no gain (79-J.Scott).

As if the Packers didn't have enough tough choices at linebacker. LB Nick Barnett was still held out for this game, but rookie 7th round pick LB Brad Jones was finally cleared to play. He beat the right tackle on the pass rush and he played well in pass coverage. If he keeps this up, they might have no choice but to make room for him on the roster.

Third Quarter

(14:52) 28-K.Lumpkin right end to GB 45 for -5 yards (97-J.McCargo). FUMBLES (97-J.McCargo), recovered by GB-60-D.Preston at GB 37. 60-D.Preston to GB 37 for no gain (53-M.Buggs).

RG Evan Dietrich-Smith got beat and let DT John McCargo hit RB Kregg Lumpkin in the backfield. Lumpkin still should have held onto the ball.

(12:53) 7-J.Kapinos punts 47 yards to BUF 2, Center-61-B.Goode. 26-A.Youboty to BUF 2 for no gain (82-R.Martin). PENALTY on GB-16-B.Swain, Interference with Opportunity to Catch, 15 yards, enforced at BUF 6.

I keep reading Tweets about the great camp WR Brett Swain is having. He hasn't played much as a receiver in the first two preseason games, and he blew it on special teams. With all the good receivers in camp, he can't afford to have another bad play like this again. 

P Jeremy Kapinos looked good on five punts, but he'll have to keep it up.

(11:57) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 14-R.Fitzpatrick pass deep right to 13-St.Johnson to BUF 48 for 24 yards (27-W.Blackmon).

Buffalo had a lot more success passing the ball in the 2nd half. The Packers' 3rd string defense came in and didn't provide much pass rush. Outside LB Spencer Havner and LB Cyril Obiozor have made some noise in camp, but they couldn't near the QB in this game. Although rookie DE Jarius Wynn and DE Ronald Talley did a pretty good job at getting into the backfield on a couple plays.

(8:41) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 14-R.Fitzpatrick pass short right to 88-J.Stupar to GB 21 for 12 yards (24-J.Bush). Green Bay challenged the pass completion ruling, and the play was Upheld. (Timeout #1.)

The refs in preseason form; the pass bounced off the turf before it was "caught". But it didn't matter...

(8:17) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 14-R.Fitzpatrick pass short left intended for 33-D.Rhodes INTERCEPTED by 55-D.Bishop at GB 17. 55-D.Bishop to GB 20 for 3 yards. Lateral to 29-A.Smith to GB 20 for no gain (73-K.Chambers). GB-33-B.Underwood was injured during the play. PENALTY on GB-33-B.Underwood, Illegal Block Above the Waist, 10 yards, enforced at GB 20.

Next time, don't lateral it. But otherwise it was great play as Bishop jumped all over the quick slant.

(7:31) 11-B.Brohm pass incomplete short right to 45-Q.Johnson (96-C.Bryan).

Buffalo DE Copeland Bryan was a pain in the butt. He shoved Barbre back into Brohm on this play.

(7:26) (Shotgun) 11-B.Brohm pass short left to 46-D.Frischknecht to GB 12 for 1 yard (54-N.Harris). GB-46-D.Frischknecht was injured during the play.

I don't like to see anyone hurt, but I was pulling for undrafted rookie TE Devin Frischknecht. He was taken to the hospital with a shin injury. I would be shocked if he's not placed on I.R. this week.

(5:42) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 14-R.Fitzpatrick pass short middle to 15-F.Huggins to GB 48 for 15 yards (40-J.Porter).

I'm picking on CB Joe Porter here, he was the chief offender, but the same can be said for CB Trevor Ford and CB Brandon Underwood. They're all fighting for the 5th cornerback spot, or maybe a job on the practice squad. I don't know if it's how they play, or if by design, but they all gave a lot of cushion. They're all great in coming up in run support and they appear to be good tacklers. But Buffalo came back in the game because the tight coverage and the pass rush vanished.

(1:13) (No Huddle) 14-R.Fitzpatrick pass short middle to 88-J.Stupar for 9 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

Rookie LB Brad Jones was in on the coverage, but he was all over the tight end in coverage. Somehow the pass missed hitting Jones and the tight end grabbed it.

Fourth Quarter

(12:24) 10-M.Flynn sacked at GB 18 for -8 yards (96-C.Bryan). FUMBLES (96-C.Bryan), recovered by GB-68-B.Giacomini at GB 16. 68-B.Giacomini to GB 16 for no gain (93-C.Ellis).

Well if you're wondering how Barbre beat Giacomini for the starting right tackle job, this might have been the play. He was beat by Bryan to the outside. QB Matt Flynn had his night cut short because he Bryan hit him while he was throwing.

(4:53) 23-T.Sutton left end pushed ob at BUF 41 for 10 yards (71-A.Etukeren). PENALTY on BUF-46-E.Lankster, Face Mask (15 Yards), 15 yards, enforced at BUF 41.

Rookie LT Jamon Meredith looked good on this drive. On this play, he cleared the left side open for RB Tyrell Sutton. He's still behind LT Tony Moll for the backup spot and still in a major fight to make the roster.

(4:07) 23-T.Sutton left tackle to BUF 11 for 10 yards (21-J.Wendling).

(3:25) 11-B.Brohm pass short right to 19-K.Heckendorf to BUF 3 for 8 yards (47-C.Harris).

(2:55) 23-T.Sutton right tackle for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

WR Kole Heckendorf, the pride of Mosinee, is still a long shot to make the roster. I don't know against who he is competing. I guess it's possible he could beat out WR Ruvell Martin. But he really looked good; showing good hands while taking some big hits.

Sutton followed up a great first preseason game with another one. But he still is the last running back given playing time, so I would guess the coaches still have him behind Lumpkin and RB DeShawn Wynn.

(2:03) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 10-G.Hamdan pass short right to 44-X.Omon to GB 10 for 52 yards (40-J.Porter).

There were about three blown tackles on this play. Defensive coordinator Dom Capers is going to burst a blood vessel when he watches this replay.

(1:49) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 10-G.Hamdan pass incomplete short left to 88-J.Stupar [94-J.Wynn]. PENALTY on GB-29-A.Smith, Defensive Pass Interference, 9 yards, enforced at GB 10 - No Play.

Back to what I was saying about Smith on the dropped INT; he makes a couple good plays but then mixes them in with a bad one. Although I couldn't see the pass interference on this one. 

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Raji vs Jolly

We all know Raji was drafted to be a starter and so worth. But if Jolly keep playing the way he is I dont know how you can sit him over Raji. If one can play DE that would be great if they cant I think it will be situational playing. Raji on run Jolly on pass? Or just a rotation to keep both fresh.

by bizzle4 on Aug 24, 2009 8:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Depth

If the Packers could rotate these and keep them fresh, that would be big to being a top defense. You could say the same for the linebackers, 8 very good ones in the 3 – 4 defense. Kuto’s to Dom Capers and his staff for firing up the D!!

by Yooper5379 on Aug 24, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Running Game Looks Solid

It’s good to see Ryan Grant and the running game looking good so far. Everyone says that he had a bad season last year but he still had over 1000 yards. It looks like the Packers are in position to have one of the top offenses in the NFL this season.

BeerBratTees.com

by BeerBratTees.com on Aug 24, 2009 8:40 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

1000 yards isn't really

A measuring stick anymore when you play 16 games….. And he had 1300 which isn’t bad but lets be honest here for a minute. Grant is just an average back really.

by SLAZZ on Aug 24, 2009 9:13 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think you can say he’s average. Last year he was hurt at the beginning of the year but like in 07’ he was 2nd in the league in rushing yards in the last 9 weeks of the season. He is gonna surprise some people this year for sure.

by packallday555 on Aug 24, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that even the Grant detractors must admit that he looks different this preseason than he looked during last season. He seemed to lack the extra gear he has shown on some of the runs thus far in the preseason.

Let’s hope Grant stays healthy so that he can give us a big dose of ’07, rather than a cold splash of ’08.

by NYCPac on Aug 24, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How can you complain about Grant?

Really – as an outsider and a Colts fan I am stunned. Our RB turned out just over 500 yards for the year – and you are complaining about how a stud who churned out over 1200 yards isn’t any good?

Come on…a little perspective please. You have one of the best QBs in the NFL, a stud for a RB, and a great O-line. Your only question last year was your D – it was TERRIBLE. But from the looks of what I’ve seen so far this year you’ve got the D situation handled. The Packers are going to be a scary team this year – I’m just glad you aren’t in the AFC!

by the_iowa_hawkeye on Aug 25, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not necessarily complaining

I think more so most fans were just disappointed with him. Grant hit the scene in 07’ and made a splash, rushing for almost 1,000 yards in just 9 games. He looked excellent. He could run in between the tackles, and could break a big one too. He wanted an extension going into last year, and ended up holding out just about the whole preseason. I think we all wanted big things out of him considering the numbers he put up in 08’, and the big contract he was eventually given. Then the season came, and the first 7-8 weeks he looked like a different back. (Which isn’t a good thing in this case). He picked it up towards the end of last year, and had a few outstanding games.

I think Grant is a stud as well. He is finally 100% healthy, and finally was at all of training camp and looked excellent there. He has turned in 2 rushing TDs in our first 2 preseason games, and I’m confident he is going to surprise some people this year.

by packallday555 on Aug 25, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Numbers tell the story

I was actually saying that Grant looked better this preseason with the ball than last season.

Look at the difference between ’07 and ’08 to understand what Pack fans are talking about:

  • Average yards per rush dropped from a stellar 5.1 in ’07 to a meager 3.9 in ’08
  • Went from 8 TDs in 7 starts in ’07 to 4 TDs in 14 starts in ’08
  • Caught 12 fewer passes (30 >> 18) in ’08 than in ’07 despite being on the field about twice as much

By the way, thank you for your kind words about the Packers offense. I hope that you are correct in your assessments of the 2009 Pack.

by NYCPac on Aug 25, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Off course

The biggest difference is that a very hungry, completely healthy Grant participated fully in all of the Packers’ off-season activities, as far as I know.

The glass is more than half-full.

by NorthStarr on Aug 26, 2009 3:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The difference in passes caught could well be...

the change in QB and throwing fewer check downs. And I hear you about the expectations game – I’m just coming from a place where the expectations are even lower. Colts fans will be happy if our RBs combined can have 1,200 yards this year.

If we can…then may we see you in the Super Bowl!

by the_iowa_hawkeye on Aug 26, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm curious

Are Freeney, Mathis, and Sanders healthy? If you have those 3 healthy and playing the majority of the year I think you guys have a great shot at making it to the SB. I personally feel the reason you guys haven’t quite been able to make it over the hump is because you have been without a HEALTHY Sanders (I know he played some last year, but he wasn’t really ever at 100%). He is the difference maker for you guys. When he is out there, your defense is so much better.

by packallday555 on Aug 26, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Freeney and Mathis are ok - but Sanders is on PUP

He is expected to get off of PUP by the first or second game of the season. The problem is that he’s missed all of training camp, so it is still unclear how long it will be before he is 100%. The general feeling is that as long as he is ready to go by half-way through the season with our game against the Pats and into the playoffs we’ll be good. Melvin Bullitt (his backup) is amazing for a 2nd string guy. He’d start on a lot of teams (come to think of it he’s starting for the Colts for all intents and purposes).

As far as our D goes we have to fix defending the run. Indy was TERRIBLE at the run on both O and D last year. If we can fix that then I think we’ve got a good shot. From what I’ve seen we’ve addressed the run on the D and we picked up Donald Brown in the first round of the draft. But our O-line still BLOWS! So I guess we’ll see if it is enough.

You guys, though, are going to have a GREAT year. The two games against the Vikings (which I am confident you will win) will end any and all comparisons between Rodgers and Favre forever.

by the_iowa_hawkeye on Aug 27, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

PUP

If Sanders starts the year on the PUP, he isn’t eligible to begin play until wk 6. That would hurt you for the start of the season. If he is healthy by wk 2, you should activate him and put him on the 53 man roster.

Can you get thru 6 wks w/o having Sanders on the roster?

by Strohman on Aug 27, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Grant

started 14 games last season, and was held up by a rotating o-line who couldn’t get it together in any form. plus I believe he was hampered a bit by a hammy at the start of the season.

lets quit all this nonsense about his “horrible” year last year and how he’s “just average”. Injuries and crappy team-mates make AP look bad, even, sometimes, so lets keep some perspective, shall we?

I like the Big Egyptian (I think he looks like mid-east boy-king) and I think he needs at least one more year to see if he was worth the massive pay-day. I have faith in his good size, above-average speed, and the explosive one-cut-n-run-stuff he showed us when Judas was still around.

by PackaCracka on Aug 24, 2009 10:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

…plus I believe he was hampered a bit by a hammy at the start of the season.

Not just at the start of the season.
That hammie hampered his performance to some degree for most of the season, if not all of it.

The glass is more than half-full.

by NorthStarr on Aug 26, 2009 3:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't mean to butt in-Fantasy invite

We need a couple more Packer fans to join our NFC North fantasy challenge.
We plan on drafting Wed night and would really like to have 1 or 2 more GB fans join in. It is a free/fun league.
If interested write me at vgerkovich@yahhoo.com
Thanks and have a great season.

by CitrusFLViking on Aug 24, 2009 12:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ryan grant

wont blow anyone away with speed but for all rbs it all comes down to oline if they play well ryan will play well. But with an average in the threes he has to get yards per carry average up. Raji v jolly i still see raji starting but jolly getting better is only a great thing its a win win situation.

by packfan90' on Aug 24, 2009 12:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The problem that I have with Brohm

is that by his second step back from center everyone knows where he is going with the ball. There is no sense of going through progressions or reading the defense at all. It’s just take the snap and then telegraph exactly where he is going with it. And I don’t think he has any pocket presence at all. I was really excited when he was drafted because I thought he could be a good pro and provide insurance if Rodgers didn’t turn out to be as good as he is. Unfortunately I’m not sure Brohm is good enough to be our third-stringer now.

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Aug 24, 2009 1:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just a reminder

We were feeling the same way about Aaron Rodgers not that long ago, based upon some shaky preseason showings. QBs can take some time. He is fine as the 3d QB as long as Flynn is able to be 2d. If Flynn is gone because of the hit he took against Buffalo, we’d then need to find a veteran to serve as 2d.

by NYCPac on Aug 24, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

“QBs can take some time.”

Exactly. And our offense is a pretty complicated one as well.

by packallday555 on Aug 24, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good point

I was hoping he would look better this year than he did last year but I will have patience.

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Aug 25, 2009 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I enjoyed the first two preseason games, BUT

I think that the final two games will be bigger tests than the first two. If the Pack look as good against the Titans and Cards, I think that we might have serious cause for optimism entering this season!

by NYCPac on Aug 24, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think our oline needs to be straightened out now (I don't really like Wells)

Clifton, colledge, spitz, sitton, giacommi?

discuss

On that fly to right-center
I kinda expected JD to plow into Rios with an ATV.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Aug 17, 2009 7:35 PM PDT reply recommended Unrec 3

by blackoutsox on Aug 24, 2009 5:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wells>Giacommi

at least on the opening day roster. Things can change quickly though if Wells fails to produce. i.e. last year.

Oz+Coop+Hawk= baseball trinity

by OznCoop on Aug 25, 2009 7:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OL

I agree that the OL needs to be decided upon soon. I’m not a fan of Wells either, would much rather see Spitz start at C this year, w/ Preston as a backup/utility guy. Wells is good and scrappy, but is too small. Trade him for a conditional 6th rd pick. My OL would be the same except I see Barbre winning the RT spot for this year. I think Giacomini has more potential though and if given the opportunity could be the RT next year. Unless Giacomini can play LT, which would be ideal! He has the size at 6’7 and the long arms that help the OL. Meredith will be given a shot at LT too…

Suddenly seems depth is a stong point. Just need to get the OL set soon and find the LT and RT for the next 10 years, like we had w/ Cifton and Tauscher…

by Strohman on Aug 24, 2009 5:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

James jones or Jordy Nelson

I’ve always been a James Jones supporter, he seems to have a lot of upside, he also has more downside than Jordy, hes not as good handed but his ability to make a play bigger than it was intended to be is something to be valued. While with Jordy you know exactly what your getting, a white guy with sure hands and who runs all the right routes, but probobly NOT a big time playmaker.

Who do you guys think the Pack will go with at WR #3?

Oz+Coop+Hawk= baseball trinity

by OznCoop on Aug 25, 2009 7:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Jones

I think James has the edge. However, I hope they bust out the play book and involve the 4 WRs and put Finley out there too. With something like that you have guys that can stretch the field Jennings, Jones have Finley take a safety deep and then you could have Driver and Jordy underneath.

by bizzle4 on Aug 25, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it will all be used

 - the 4 WRs with Finley, the 4 WRs with Lee, 2WRs/2TEs, 3WRs/1RB, etc.
One thing I am pretty sure of is that Finley’s emergence, giving the Packers a whole new dimension with the 2TE formations, is significant enough to all but wipe out the chances of seeing much, if any, of the 5WR formation.

The glass is more than half-full.

by NorthStarr on Aug 26, 2009 3:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jones

He has great strong hands. So many times in 07’ he would catch one over the middle, take a big hit, and still hang on to it. He also runs a nice deep route, and I think he provides the big play more then Nelson does. I think we should go with Jones at #3, though I wouldn’t mind if Nelson got it because their both good WRs.

by packallday555 on Aug 25, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jones

can replace Driver when he leaves

On that fly to right-center
I kinda expected JD to plow into Rios with an ATV.

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by Sox Machine on Aug 17, 2009 7:35 PM PDT reply recommended Unrec 3

by blackoutsox on Aug 25, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He will replace DD

However when that happens I think we will be seeing more of Jordy at #3 WR. Jones is a good WR but his play is identical to Jennings. Jordy resembles DD more IMO. DD is a tough over the middle get the first down WR. Which is what I see in Nelson. Wont be spectacular but will always be there. Blocks really well on the run, will fight to get that extra yard, and has some great hands

by bizzle4 on Aug 26, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

WR

I have been saying all offseason, while others have been talking about Nelson, that Jones will be the #3 WR. Jones in the same role as Nelson last year, had a MUCH better year and provided more big plays than Nelson did! Seemed everyone was down on Jones cuz he had a bad knee last year… Jones is also a stonger runner after the catch than Nelson. Both have good hands, but everyone thinks Nelson’s are better… THe reality is they both have really good hands. Jones get critisized alot for the Chicago game, where he had 2 fumbles, but both were excellent catches that he just got hit before he could put the ball away.

I still think Nelson will be a really good WR for us in the near future tho… Jennings, Jones and Nelson gives us 3 really good, young WR who should form Rodgers playmaking WR corps for years!!!

by Strohman on Aug 25, 2009 3:16 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Jones has

what Sterling Sharpe had, the strength and ability to break free from the grasp of defenders after making the catch!

The glass is more than half-full.

by NorthStarr on Aug 26, 2009 3:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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