APC Fantasy League Draft Live Thread

by Mitchell Maurer on Aug 30, 2009 5:51 PM CDT in Green Bay Packers News

NEEEERRRRRRRRRRRDS!

At 8:30 EST, the Acme Packing Company Fantasy Football League will commence its second season. We have some owners returning from last year, and some newcomers as well. Right now, everyone has a chance to win it all.

But tonight may very well decide who has the edge as the season begins. Join us for the 2009 APC Fantasy Draft Live Thread!

The live draft, hosted by Fleaflicker, is a battle of wits to end all wit-battles. It requires cunning, poise, strategy, and just a dose of trash talk. The ten owners in the league have these in spades, and some of them have already started making moves by trading draft picks.

It's going to be a fun draft, I can feel it. Let's take a look at the draft order:

WildCats (PackerDad)
The Incredible Bulk (IncredibleBulk)
Ernest Goes To Kamp (TexWestern)
Iowa Kennedys (mkhawk21)
Favre-Dollar Footlong (zingzhang182)
Brandon Jennings' Kid-N-Play Fade (Mitchell_M)
PackAttack09 (PackAttack08)
Notre Dame Box (AcmeBrandon)
Green and Gold Horde (NYCPack)
Devil Dogs (ShadowNix)

Fantasy football success is largely determined by what you do with your draft slot. Do you take the best rated player available? Do you reach for someone who might or might not be there for you later? Do you trade it away altogether to get more picks in lower rounds? Or do you go all-in and trade up to get the surefire fantasy stud? Anything can happen!

I'll be posting updates as they happen in the comments section. Feel free to throw in your own thoughts, analysis, and barbs as the picks are reported.

Fantasy football is upon us again! If only it were as good as the real thing.

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Out of curiosity...

… what’s your scoring system?

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 30, 2009 6:19 PM CDT reply actions

pretty standard

4 points for passing TD, 6 for rush/receiving TD, basic yardage setups (20 pass yards/10 rush or receiving yards = 1 point), and other bonuses.

nothing crazy.

"I'm so clean, cats think I sip Ajax."

by Mitchell Maurer on Aug 30, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions

trades..

are we able to make trades during the draft or once the draft starts the positions are locked? first time using this site. thanks

Greg Jennings.. Future All Pro

by mkcubs21 on Aug 30, 2009 7:04 PM CDT reply actions

five minutes left

we’re only missing three owners. Not bad.

"I'm so clean, cats think I sip Ajax."

by Mitchell Maurer on Aug 30, 2009 7:27 PM CDT reply actions

and we're off...

Greg Jennings.. Future All Pro

by mkcubs21 on Aug 30, 2009 7:30 PM CDT reply actions

wow, this goes way faster than i remember

updates will be few and far between

"I'm so clean, cats think I sip Ajax."

by Mitchell Maurer on Aug 30, 2009 7:32 PM CDT reply actions

my draft strategy already took a huge hit

I ended up going WR WR in the first two rounds. Not what i planned, but i stuck to my draft board. Let’s hope it works out.

"I'm so clean, cats think I sip Ajax."

by Mitchell Maurer on Aug 30, 2009 7:36 PM CDT reply actions

WR-WR in the 6th spot in that scoring system is rough.

Depends who you landed though. The upside on the widespread use of the back system is that the RB position is generally deeper than it was 10 years ago. That, of course, also makes the few backs who are likely to get 250 carries even more valuable.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 30, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions

Actually, the #6 spot is pretty rough this year in everything except for PPR leagues.

There’s a big dropoff after the top 4 backs, IMO, and maybe the top 3 if you subscribe to the 370 rule.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 30, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions

So, the fact that AP actually had more total touches than Turner means nothing?

dickie_thon: Third baseman Bill Hall / Watches the third strike go by / Gamel grabs his glove

by GoGregGo on Aug 30, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions

Did I say that?

I sure don’t remember saying that. But since you brought it up, it’s not that I’m not concerned about AP’s touches in 2008, but he’s got more physical ability than Turner and that makes him a better risk out of the two of them. I’d probably take MJD over both of them in most scoring systems, but I’d take AP and Forte over Turner.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 31, 2009 6:41 AM CDT up reply actions

Mitchell sucks. His team is even worse. That is all.

by texwestern on Aug 30, 2009 8:05 PM CDT reply actions

You're at #3 overall.

Are you the proud owner of Michael Turner? Or did you catch a break and have MJD fall in your lap?

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 30, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions

I actually traded down to #9

And picked Fitzgerald. NYCPack got my #3 pick and grabbed Forte. MJD went 2nd

by texwestern on Aug 30, 2009 8:19 PM CDT reply actions

Fitz at 9 is solid.

When Mitchell said he went WR-WR I assumed he took Fitz at 6.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 30, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions

He took Andre Johnson at 6 and Randy Moss in the 2nd

by texwestern on Aug 30, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions

i don't trust

fitzy because anquan boldin and steve breason are legitimate targets, bar none.

"I'm so clean, cats think I sip Ajax."

by Mitchell Maurer on Aug 30, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions

Moss at 18 overall is a steal, assuming Brady's shoulder is OK.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 30, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions

well this was a big flaming failure

three of the five players i had targeted went way earlier than i expected.

"I'm so clean, cats think I sip Ajax."

by Mitchell Maurer on Aug 30, 2009 8:20 PM CDT reply actions

Out of curiosity

Who were you targeting?

by NYCPac on Aug 30, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions

ah ah ah

can’t tell you that. I’ve still got a draft with another guy in the APC league.

After September 6th, I’ll reveal who my targeted players were.

"I'm so clean, cats think I sip Ajax."

by Mitchell Maurer on Aug 30, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions

Hmm...

I think I have drafted with you enough this year to know who you’re aiming for in certain situations. Then again, with our next draft being the keeper league, it could be a little different.

by texwestern on Aug 30, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions

Fair Enough

I would not want to jeopardize a future draft like that.

Incidentally, from my draft prep list, which included info on average draft position from a few sites, here are some of what I saw as players who fell the furthest (none of them were drafted by me). Whether or not these players prove to be bargains, they were drafted later than one would normally suspect.

Larry Johnson 99— I am not saying that I like Johnson in the least, but he normally does not last until the late 10th round
Jonathan Stewart 114— Stewart in the 12th? Could be a bargain.
Marshawn Lynch 98— Even with the suspension, 10th round is late. It’s not like he will miss the critical final four weeks…
Antonio Bryant 108— Although I am not as high on him as others are, he went a full five rounds later than average.
Laveranues Coles 133— 14th round? Cincinnati is not the same as out of football… wait, on second thought…
Knowshon Moreno 85— Hobbling around camp and not playing one snap in the preseason left him an unknown, which allowed him to drop. Could be a bargain once he heals.
Derrick Ward 78— Maybe people in our draft were thinking that the Giant line had something to do with the contract the Bucs gave Ward?
Jamal Lewis 115— While not ridiculously late, he may have enough gas in the tank to outplay that draft position
Kellen Winslow 94— Injuries and attitude have plagued him, but mid-tenth round is later than usual for him
Willie Parker 84— Went a couple of rounds later than expected

For all I know, one or two teams drafted all of these players (I did not look), but I hope that the list is fun for those in the league or those watching to get some ideas for a draft in the near future. I know that the list is a bit RB heavy, but QBs and TEs mostly flew off of the board, and experienced players know that it is nearly impossible to draft a defense or kicker too late.

by NYCPac on Aug 30, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions

well fun drafting fellas....

i’ve got a few things to do prior to crashing. good luck this season!!

Greg Jennings.. Future All Pro

by mkcubs21 on Aug 30, 2009 8:33 PM CDT reply actions

Green and Gold Horde Roster

I do not know if everyone is planning to do the same thing, but I am willing to run the gauntlet of criticism by posting my roster after the draft ended:

QB: Cutler and Garrard
RB: Forte, T. Jones, Rice, C. Wells
WR: Wayne, V. Jackson, S. Moss, J. Morgan
TE: Witten, Z. Miller
D: Jets
K: Folk

I hated to be stuck with Cutler as my starting QB and went for upside potential on some of my backups. But, overall, I kinda like my pile of players.

In my first time playing with everyone, I found the draft to be a blast. Good luck in the season (except when playing the GnG Horde- LOL).

by NYCPac on Aug 30, 2009 8:35 PM CDT reply actions

Ooops

I also have Santonio Holmes at WR

by NYCPac on Aug 30, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions

Solid

I would try and shop Cutler to avoid the dreaded 2 starters from 1 NFL team syndrome. Esp in wk 1 against the Pack! You will live and die with the success of the Bears otherwise. Scary thought. Good luck.

"I’ll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." -Sheriff Melvin appoints Deputy Braun

by spell on Aug 31, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions

OK, I'll Bite.

My roster consists of the following:

Starters:
QB: Donovan McNabb
RB: Frank Gore
RB/WR: Pierre Thomas
WR: Larry Fitzgerald
WR: Roddy White
TE: Tony Gonzalez
K: Jason Elam
DEF: Tennessee

Bench Players
QB: Trent Edwards
RB: Derrick Ward, Marshawn Lynch, Darren Sproles
WR: DeSean Jackson, Ted Ginn, Devin Hester

Let the mocking and/or praising commence

by texwestern on Aug 30, 2009 9:21 PM CDT reply actions

Also, my team's name is "Ernest Goes to Kamp"

And here’s my team logo:

by texwestern on Aug 30, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions

Trent Edwards

is the suckiest suck who ever sucked.

You’re better off drafting Ingle Martin IV.

"I'm so clean, cats think I sip Ajax."

by Mitchell Maurer on Aug 30, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions

Great depth across the board

That’s a contending team.

"I’ll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." -Sheriff Melvin appoints Deputy Braun

by spell on Aug 31, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions

and after a brief excursion

due to wireless issues, here’s my roster:

QB: Matt Schaub, Carson Palmer
RB: Clinton Portis, Brian Westbrook, LenDale White, Jamal Lewis, Rashard Mendenhall, LeSean McCoy
WR: Andre Johnson, Randy Moss, Domenik Hixon, Donnie Avery
TE: Dustin Keller
D/ST: Patriots
K: Ryan Longwell

So yeah, I’m stacked at RB. Already have two trades in to get help elsewhere.

And the name? Brandon Jennings’ Kid-N-Play Fade

"I'm so clean, cats think I sip Ajax."

by Mitchell Maurer on Aug 30, 2009 9:53 PM CDT reply actions

Trade for a QB

Schaub and Palmer are as frail as your Grandma’s 80 yr old china set.

"I’ll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." -Sheriff Melvin appoints Deputy Braun

by spell on Aug 31, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions

The league I’m in had our draft today too. 16 teams, which is more than a little insane.

I feel like I had a pretty good draft. Relevant notable picks were Aaron Rodgers in Round 3, and James Jones late.

Before each game, please remember to feed the bats.

by Cool Hand on Aug 30, 2009 10:59 PM CDT reply actions

I think sixteen teams

in a draft would be both tedious and fun. I would HATE to be on either end of the snake, waiting 30 picks before getting to rattle off two more picks. However, I love the fact that an extra 90 players (presuming 15 player rosters) and an extra 48 starters (presuming 8 player lineups) are needed, which forces drafters to stretch themselves to find diamonds in the rough.

What might be awesome would be a keeper league that is that deep. That would resolve some of the length-of-draft issues and encourage teams to put an emphasis on young depth. Unfortunately, I suspect that such leagues are not all that common.

Cool Hand, who’d you get? I am curious how you did.

by NYCPac on Aug 31, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions

I've been in a 16-team keeper league for the past few years, and won it twice

Never doubt the powers of luck and variance! My team is pretty gutted as soon as my keepers aged out of keep-ability

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. -- Bruce Bartlett

by berselius on Sep 1, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions

Lessee.
I was picking 9th, which was kinda nice.

QB: Rodgers
RB: Tomlinson, Ahmad Bradshaw
WR: Roddy White, Santana Moss
RB/WR: DeSean Jackson
TE: Anthony Fasano
D/ST: Panthers
K: Jason Elam
Bench: Kerry Collins, LaRon McClain, Fred Jackson, Josh Morgan, Justin Gage, James Jones

Also have a backup D and kicker, which is wrong, I know…but both my D and kicker have byes in week 4. Figure I’d get through the bye, and then dump them for someone more useful.

Before each game, please remember to feed the bats.

by Cool Hand on Aug 31, 2009 6:12 PM CDT reply actions

Unless Roddy White has a twin

I think you and tex have a problem.

You’re a little weak with RB depth. Bradshaw is not an ideal RB2 in any format.

"I’ll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." -Sheriff Melvin appoints Deputy Braun

by spell on Aug 31, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions

Yeah, I wasn't wild about that.

But it’s a 16-team league. What are you going to do.

Before each game, please remember to feed the bats.

by Cool Hand on Sep 1, 2009 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions

Well, when it comes to such a large, depleted pool

When 96 starters are required (including AT LEASE 32 RBs), it is hard for everyone to have studs. The Giants have one of the most consistently strong running offensive lines in the game— if Brandon Jacobs has another injury (and he has been prone lately), you might strike it rich with Bradshaw.

by NYCPac on Sep 2, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions

Also...

…this isn’t the same league. I just replied in the wrong place.

Before each game, please remember to feed the bats.

by Cool Hand on Sep 1, 2009 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions

I think you have some interesting bench prospects

Everyone gets excited about the studs, but leagues are won with nobodies emerging. You have some very interesting “nobodies”. Josh Morgan looks like he could become a nice receiver. I could see McClain becoming a TD pilferer. Jackson might produce more than expected. And, of course, James Jones is a perfect later pick for a deep league, since he could easily put up rocking numbers.

I like what you nabbed! Thanks for sharing your roster.

by NYCPac on Sep 2, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions