Brett Favre on Monday Night Football
I didn't watch much of the Vikings/Texans game on Monday Night Football, but I did manage to catch both Viking TD drives.
On the first one, I noticed that the Texans couldn't tackle RB Adrian Peterson. On the second one, I noticed that they couldn't tackle WR Percy Harvin or RB Chester Taylor. Maybe the Vikings are great at breaking tackles, but it's more likely that the Texans need to work on their tackling.
QB Brett Favre has lost some of the zip on his passes, which is understandable since he's almost 40, but for the most part he looked the same as he's looked over the past few seasons. Anthony at Daily Norseman seemed happy with him.
The rib injury doesn't seem like a big deal. Favre isn't indestructible; he's often had injuries like this during the season that he's played through.
Did anyone watch the entire game? How did the Vikings and/or Favre look?
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I watched it off and on with a couple friends.
I’d say the vikings looked good, but as you mentioned it was partly the texans looking bad. In general the run blocking was quite good for the boys in purple pants, and the same can be said for blocking on their screen plays. The second half was not particularly exciting, with the game locked at a 17-10 score for a long time as both backup offenses tried and failed to mount threatening drives until late when the vikings sealed the game.
Things happen for a reason they say, but I say there's a reason things happen.
The big talk
Since you did not mention the play, I will presume that you did not see the illegal block that Favre threw on a wildcat formation wide run. He threw a nasty crackback block on Houston safety, Eugene Wilson, leading with his throwing shoulder and taking out the knees. Favre got flagged, the safety appeared hurt, and Favre should be heavily fined.
Even Gruden, who staged a three-hour Favre love-fest, seemed to wince at the stupidity and cheapness of the play. The announcers noted the stupidity of running a wildcat play with Favre in the game, then running toward Favre such that he had to block in a preseason game, AND then Favre’s stupidity as a 40-year old QB to lead with his throwing shoulder with the torn rotator cuff and sore ribs.
Also, the commentary on the issue of Favre’s ribs softened the prior reports. The story told last night on air about Favre’s rib comment was that the hit in the last game was so hard and his ribs hurt so much that it FELT like his rib was cracked, but that doctors said he was not hurt. In other words, the whole rib thing was presented by ESPN last night in a much different light than what I saw presented before the game.
Nope
QB Brett Favre has lost some of the zip on his passes
Nope, that’s all I can say, nope.
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I suppose Vikings fans should be happy with what they saw – he looked pretty much like the quarterback we saw last year. But I’m not exactly quaking in my boots either. The general consensus was that Favre would stretch the field, preventing teams from lining up 8 man fronts and giving Peterson room to run. From my vantage point, it looked like Houston was using a whole lot of 8 man fronts except on obvious passing downs. Favre still threw pretty much everything underneath (except for one classic case of Favre just tossing it up there as he was being hit, a ball which easily could have been intercepted). It’s pretty clear that stopping Peterson is still the key to beating the Vikings, and I don’t know if Favre’s deep ball is good enough at this point to be a consistent threat.
Why is this in here?!?!
Favre is a viqueen now. I suppose if I was a “True Packer Fan” I’d understand! I have no interest whatsoever in what Favre does. He’s a Viking plain and simple. I don’t care. You want to post crap about Favre go to the Viqueer website!!
Really?
He’s the starting quarterback for our biggest rival. How he performs is pretty relevant to how our season goes. And every time you you use the term “Viqueens” you only make Packer fans look dumb and intolerant.
absolutly
When packer fans write or speak negatively about Favre they sound as if all the cheese has drained from between their ears. Leading one to believe that all packer fans are as stupid as these negative dummies sound. Kind of like dumb and dumber are the only two families in WI and the inbreeding is rampant. I’m ashamed of all these poor, uneducated pin heads.
How's it taste THOMPSON YOU MORON
The only thing worse ...
than someone using the term “ViQueens” is a pathetic Favre fan still wailing about 2008.
Well, considering that Brandon is the person running the blog...
I think that he has the ability to decide where something is appropriately posted. Also, considering how quickly Packer fans are posting in this thread, he seems to be correct in determining that most Packer fans care about what Favre continues to do.
Here's what I don't understand
How can anyone think that Favre will help the Vikings get to/win the Super Bowl? There is little doubt that he is better than the option of Sagevaris Jackfels, but he has been with the team for two weeks now and he has a torn rotator cuff, bad ankles (courtesy of Peter King), and now a potentially cracked rib. How can he last the whole season? And even if he finds a way to last the whole season he has proven since 2001 that he is incapable of stringing together 3 good games in the playoffs. Hell, I don’t think he’s had 2 good games in a row in the playoffs since the Super Bowl against the Broncos. 2001-good game against the 49ers, terrible game against the Rams; 2002-Falcons game, ‘nuff said; 2003-good game against the Seahawks, played good against the Eagles until the OT that never should have happened; 2004-I have permanently blocked this game from my memory; 2007-managed the game nicely against the Seahawks and stayed in control, the Giants game was certainly not his finest hour. To put all of your chips behind a guy who hasn’t played multiple good games in the playoffs since the 1997 season seems like a recipe for disaster to me.
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
Well...
People are drinking Kool-Aide because people believe the Vikings are unstoppable with AP and their Defense, so that naturally left just the QB spot as their vulnerability (never mind their wideouts… err, leave something to be desired). People still consider a 40 year old QB who last won a SB nearly 15 years ago to be the game changer. Which, they are right, incidentally enough… but not in the way they think they’re right.
People think that he’ll trot on the field, hand the ball to AP 40 times a game, and throw screens and short outs, and that’s it. We all know that’s not what BF does, but hey, why listen to those of us with 16 years or so of BF experience, instead, listen to the bobbleheads who only know what they see on the highlight reel.
I’m sure Favre can still throw the ball, but that’s not why we dumped him (well, why I wanted to see him gone since 2004)… he makes poor decisions that his arm can’t bail him out of much anymore. To me, the quintessential example was his first games against the Dolphins where he threw up the prayer on 4th down that came down as the winning TD. No skill involved, just threw the ball and hoped his player got it. That’s what people think the Vikings need to go all the way. Of course, what they don’t remember is that crap wouldn’t have flown against the Steelers or Ravens in the playoffs, had Favre made it there last year, and it certainly won’t work against a team like the Giants or Eagles.
But hey, it’s their money, their season, and multiple pick 6’s for our corners :)
They weren't going anywhere with T-Jack
Watching QB Tarvaris Jackson last season in the playoffs made it obvious they just couldn’t advance in the playoffs with him as QB. He can’t make good throws on the run or under pressure. QB Sage Rosenfels is just a good backup who wasn’t taking them anywhere unless they transformed into the 2000 Baltimore Ravens. Their defense isn’t that good. At least with Favre can do it, even if he hasn’t done it in a while. It’s a longshot but Brad Childress is done in Minnesota if he doesn’t win this season, so he’s rolling the dice.
The Favre disaster won’t happen during the 2009 season. He’ll at least be an average QB, but his arrival is a long-term disaster. It might set them back another two seasons in their search for a good QB. They’ve just got no long term plan.
Well said. Italics mine.
The Favre disaster won’t happen during the 2009 season. He’ll at least be an average QB, but his arrival is a long-term disaster. It might set them back another two seasons in their search for a good QB. They’ve just got no long term plan.
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
which one
Are you from the dumb or dumber family? come on be brave …tell us.
How's it taste THOMPSON YOU MORON
Way to respond with nothing intelligent ...
He provided actual examples of Favre’s playoff collapses. Do you have anything with evidence to add, ever?
This
Unless they get homefield, I don’t see how he’ll be able to get through the playoffs. He’ll already have sixteen regular season games under his belt then the possibility of going to Chicago, New York, Philly, maybe Green Bay in January doesn’t look too good, plus there is always the possibility of a trip to Dallas as well and we know how Brett does in Dallas. He might play through the whole season but I just don’t see him having the durability anymore at 40.
by Charlie Kelly on Sep 2, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Looked okay...
Favre looked okay. They blitzed a lot and the interior blocking was terrible. He was hit a lot and sacked twice but managed to only make one terrible pass attempt on a deep hail mary type deal. He had some nice plays after scrambling and a couple good passes to TE’s. His best pass of the night was not hauled in by Percy Harvin for a TD.
The defense got after their QB, hurting him again. Defense dominated except a long TD drive and a quick field goal drive with 30 sec left in the first half.
Bad side was an incredibly high number of penalties and several mental errors by Favre and also Percy Harvin. All in all they looked like a 10+ win team but no way to judge based on a preseason game, as Lions fans can attest.
So
I have to admit I was expecting a lot more from the Vikes offense. I thought they would drive at will on the Texans defense, but this really wasn’t the case at all. Favre can make all the throws Jackson couldn’t last year, but his WRs have to get open, and that didn’t seem to happen much.
Their is such a difference from the Favre of 07’ to the Favre of 09’ with the Vikes. The fact that our WR core was so good really helped him. Pretty much all of our WRs can create seperation, and watching the Vikes last night I just didn’t see it enough. Harvin had a little seperation on his corner route, but then slowed up and didn’t catch a pass that he definitely should have. Rice looked like the player he has been these past 3 years. Wade looked ok, and Johnson didn’t look good as a WR, though he did look good returning punts.
I know Favre still hasn’t developed a chemistry with the Vikes WR core, but I don’t think this offense is going to be much better then last years.
This could really hurt them ...
Favre still thinks he can make the same throws he did 10 years ago. Packer receivers could get enough separation so this wasn’t as big a problem, but he’s going to be forcing some throws into extremely tight spaces this year, given the deficiencies of the Vikings receiving corps.
WARNING I am a vikings fan
So if it sounds biased don’t spam me with hate. Anyways I believe the offence would have been more productive if they had run more of Adrian Peterson. It is still his team and the only reason they didn’t use him more was to get better looks from Brett Favre.
Also his timing issues will (hopefully) be corrected before the season starts, remember he has been a viking for what two weeks now?
In addition Bernard Berrian was not in the game which I am possitive he would have caught the TD pass that Percy Harvin dropped, so he can help Favre out a little bit atleast
sugar + water + purple
I won't hate on you
I have had a few discussions over on the Vikings board and I find that if you’re civil, everyone else will be to.
I agree that it’s AP’s team. The problem is that AP isn’t always going to be a 100+ rusher every game (a couple of times last year he didn’t, including the playoff game against the Eagles). That’s when Brett is going to feel the need to step up, and usually at that point you’re probably down a score or so. That’s when you don’t want Brett making risky throws, but that’s how it works. Those risky throws, a lot of times, come on late drives or in OT. When Favre was younger he got away with them because he threw the ball so hard, and the receivers could catch it and defenses could not. As he has gotten older that velocity has gone down somewhat, and his throws have become even riskier, throwing more rainbow like passes into triple coverage (as opposed to bullets).
If you’re up a touchdown or two, then it’s not as big of a deal as a pick doesn’t put you behind the 8 ball. But that’s not the Viking’s (apparent) gameplan; they want to keep shoveling the ball to Peterson/Taylor and only use Favre’s deep throwing when they get down.
Could it work? We’ll see. But past history at least has said it won’t work out in the long run.
I think his timing issues will continue on to the early part of the season. He isn’t playing in the final preseason game and it took him a while to get it with the receivers from the Jets (if he ever really did).
I agree having Berrian back will help but I still don’t think he’s anything that special. With the possible exception of Harvin, the Vikings don’t have the guys to get yards after the catch like the Pack did in ’07 that helped him out so much.
As long as Favre understands that this is Peterson’s team and not his they should have some success in the regular season. But I don’t think that will happen.
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
It should also be pointed out ...
Houston’s CBs aren’t exactly stellar.
Working with WR
That was a big game for Berrian to miss. Favre needs time to work with his receivers. It seemed to be part of the problem in New York when he wasn’t familiar with them. And in Green Bay, it usually took at least one season for a new receiver to start to connect with him.
I have to ask you Grape Drank
How did you feel about the crack back block? All of the Vikings fans I know described it as “tough” or “gutsy” when I know two years ago when Favre still wore green and gold, they would’ve ripped him apart for it.
by Charlie Kelly on Sep 2, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Brett Favre's shall from now on
be know as HE WHO MUST NOT BE NAMED!
On that fly to right-center
I kinda expected JD to plow into Rios with an ATV.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Aug 17, 2009 7:35 PM PDT reply recommended Unrec 3
Brett will not be there in the end
My take on the whole thing is that Brett will do well enough managing the games and distributing for them to have a good first half of the season. Then unfortunately he will get hurt, his starting streak will end, and the Vikings will be up $%#@ creek!
To bad, so sad, Brett you should of stayed retired and made us all glad!!
by Andrew Andrekopoulos on Sep 2, 2009 8:54 PM CDT reply actions
I think Brett did fine
he was making the smart plays, and not forcing anything.
Some consistency from our O-Line would’ve been nice, and all those penalties didn’t help either.
But Brett looked good enough for me
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by thewild_viking_twins on Sep 2, 2009 9:50 PM CDT reply actions

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