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My take on our season so far




So it seems every ones opinion on our team and how our year will turn out is pretty up and down. I still don't really know what to think. We have the talent to be a playoff team and that's obvious, but there are a few things holding us back...

So obviously are biggest struggle thus far has been our o-line. Rodgers has been sacked 10 times already this year and pressured pretty much every play. Barbre struggled big time at RT week 1 but to his credit improved a bit week 2. What really hurt the o-line against Cincy was Clifton going down. We consequently had to shift our whole line putting Wells at C, Spitz at LG, and moving Colledge to LT. Colledge was pretty horrible at LT but to his credit that isn't his natural position, and he has actually been pretty good this year at LG. If our offense is ever going to get going then we're going to need the o-line to give Rodgers some time. Whether that means leaving Grant and Lee back to block, or changing blocking schemes I don't know but I do know we need to change something.

As far as our defense goes that have been "two-faced" so far this year. In week 1 the defense was a very pleasant surprise, and really got us the win. The d-line looked great, especially Jenkins and Jolly, and the blitz packages we brought seemed to always work. We forced Cutler into 4 INTs, and held Forte to an average of 2.2 ypc. We were kind of the exact opposite week 2. We gave up 5.1 ypc to Benson, letting him run all over us for 141 yards, and while our secondary was pretty good getting us 2 INTs, and essentially 14 points, we still allowed Palmer to get way too much. I have a few reasons for why we seemed to struggle so much but I'm certainly no NFL coach so bare with me..

I'm not sure about anyone else but I noticed when watching our defense on run plays it seemed like everywhere aside from where the Bengals were running the ball was swarming with guys. I would see a group of 5-6 guys on both sides of the whole where Benson was running, and would think sweet their about to get him..but instead he seemed to consistently get 3-5 yards. I think there might be a reason for this. I read an article earlier about how the Bengals were "overload blocking" to where they were running. This seems to explain to me why I was seeing guys everywhere but the hole the Bengals were running too. They did a nice job of controlling the gaps they were running to and picking up our blitzes.

The second thing is the Bengals are accustomed to seeing the 3-4 in about half of there games each year. So obviously they have more experience against it, and probably have a better understanding of where the blitzes are coming from, and how the 3-4 attacks their protection schemes. I think this made a difference because all of the blitzes we seemed to run against Chicago worked to perfection, so when I saw our guys up by the line I was excited and was expecting to see the pressure get there the same way against the Bears but again this didn't happen..They picked our blitzes up pretty well, and for the most part really neutralized them.

The third thing is having Rouse and Bush (my least favorite player as some of you probably know) back at safety instead of Bigby and Collins. With Bigby and Collins in there, Caper's seemed comfortable blitzing just about every play, and it seemed to work almost every single play. When Bigby went down against the Bears, Capers became noticeably more conservative in his play-calling. So when Collins went down against Cincy I knew we were in trouble. Caper's got very conservative basically only bringing 4-5 guys to pressure Palmer and dropping the rest back into coverage.

Despite these negative things I feel like we still have some hope left. If we can get Clifton back, and our o-line can continue to gel together, I hope they'll be able to step up and protect a little better. The biggest thing though is Clifton. He is a very good pass blocker (containing Alex Brown against the Bears week 1, who had a huge game against the Steelers with 2 sacks and a few QB pressures.) The o-line has actually been pretty good as far as run blocking goes. Grant looked good against the Bears, and against the Bengals he looked good, getting a couple 8 yard runs, and a good number of 3-5 yard gains. MM got away from the run though as the game went on (like he always seems to do). If this o-line can find a way to give Rodgers just a second or two more, I think we'll see the explosive offense we were all expecting.

Getting Collins and Bigby back on defense is huge. Hopefully Bigby will be back for week 4, and Collins will back this week. The defense also needs to concentrate on tackling, as many times against Cincy we were there to make a stop in the backfield but just couldn't bring Benson down.

I still have hope that we can be a playoff team this year. I think our defense will continue to improve as the year goes on, and our offense will show up as well. With that being said how do you guys think the season will play out? Also, am I way off base as far as why we have struggled these first 2 weeks or do you agree?

I know my post was long (as they usually are) but once I get started talking about my beloved Packers I just keep going, and going. If you read through the whole thing thanks, and I hope it was somewhat enjoyable.

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I would comment, but someone told me that I know nothing about football.

by dsludo on Sep 22, 2009 10:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Haha I'm sorry dsludo

I shouldn’t have said that too you, I was just a little worked up. I would love to hear what you think anout my post, and am interested to see an opinion on our season thus far from a non-Packers fan.

by packallday555 on Sep 22, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

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Injuries hurt us
And Bengals used to 3-4
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by PackerHaiku on Sep 23, 2009 3:44 AM CDT reply actions  

In addition
The second thing is the Bengals are accustomed to seeing the 3-4 in about half of there games each year.

They had real live tape of your defense, while the Bears had to estimate what the Pack’s defense was going to do based on Caper’s history and the preseason.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Sep 23, 2009 11:05 AM CDT reply actions  

Good point

Our defense seemed to prepare you for Pitt, especially Cutler who looked much better.

by packallday555 on Sep 23, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

and the fact Lovie and Ron probably told Jay to knock it off with the “wild” passes. Nice job on an early synopse of the Packer’s first two games. Pretty much nailed it from my point of view.

"Repetition is only good when you've been winning." - Valet

by propheteer on Sep 23, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks

I appreciate the feedback.

by packallday555 on Sep 23, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am still confident in this team's chances for the playoffs

They certainly need to shore up some things but if they can take care of the Rams this week and come out with a win during the first Favregeddon game and go into the bye 3-1 I think we’ll be in good shape. The schedule doesn’t start to get too rough until the end of the season. Hopefully they will have worked out some kinks by then and will be firing on all cylinders.

Nice assessment, packallday555

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Sep 23, 2009 2:02 PM CDT reply actions  

great job....

For the pass protection.. why are we not leaving Grant back there more? He is not too valuable catching passes anyways! Or whats wrong with passing out of the I or the other formations with the FB in there. We have THREE of them use a rotation and use them to help block!! Johnson is huge he should be able to wear down some DEs

by bizzle4 on Sep 23, 2009 3:02 PM CDT reply actions  

“For the pass protection.. why are we not leaving Grant back there more? He is not too valuable catching passes anyways! Or whats wrong with passing out of the I or the other formations with the FB in there. We have THREE of them use a rotation and use them to help block!! Johnson is huge he should be able to wear down some DEs.”

Unfortunately Grant couldn’t block a high school DE, and we kept Hall back to help block a couple times and he looked no better then Grant. One time we left Lee, Hall, and Grant back against Cincy and they only rushed 6 people, and we still couldn’t block them. (This was the play Malaluga blindsided Rodgers.) Your totally right about Johnson, dude is 250 lbs. I know he can block somebody. Anytime we go shotgun we should put Johnson next to Rodgers and consider put another Tackle at TE. I know it sounds ridiculous but from how we’ve blocked so far, we need it. That way we could still have 3 guys out on routes, and if Rodgers actually had 4-5 seconds I would be willing to bet between Jennings, Driver, and Jones/Nelson somebody would be open.

by packallday555 on Sep 23, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Though

I still think a good way to counter defenses rush is too just run more of the 5 WR sets. I know some of you disagree but all those plays are designed to get the ball out very, very quick. It consistently worked in 07’ and so far this year every time we’ve ran it, it seems like we’ve gotten a 5-10 yard slant out of it.

by packallday555 on Sep 23, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

We do need to try some more of the 5 wr sets. This will not only get the ball out quicker. Defenses will then either drop more guys into coverage. Which hopefully 5 OL and block 4 DL which i know may be saying too much. But if a D brings more pressure with the 5 WR set a quick pass can equal big plays since we know our WR know how to run after the catch! but then again that catching part has been a problem so far too.

by bizzle4 on Sep 24, 2009 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

The 5 WR set should open things up much more for our offense, and could be beneficial for our offense. I really hope MM runs more of it.

by packallday555 on Sep 24, 2009 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

That was Favre's play

Favre was the master with 5 WRs. McCarthy would use it more with Rodgers if he had confidence in his ability to react to the openings it presents. I’m not bashing Rodgers, I’m just saying his strengths lie elsewhere.

by ktenreb on Sep 25, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

“I’m not bashing Rodgers, I’m just saying his strengths lie elsewhere.”

Sure he has strengths elsewhere but he throws an excellent slant pass and really has excellent arm strength. The reason MM probably didn’t use him in it much last year was probably because it’s a complicated system that takes time to learn. He has already been using Rodgers in it more this year then he did with him last year.

by packallday555 on Sep 25, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not only the slants

But the Driver/Jennings patented “Catch the ball over the shoulder while in a full sprint” play.

by Danwood on Sep 24, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jackson

Something tells me when Brandon is healthy we start seeing more and more of him out there unless Grant really starts to get it together. I have been VERY unimpressed with him over last season and now this one. I think he was a one hit wonder. Jackson is a better receiver and honestly, I don’t see Grant doing anything he couldn’t do out there running. Jackson has been a disappointment too but at least he can block some and catch a ball.

by TrevorR on Sep 25, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I sure hope so.

I’m not a big Grant fan, sure once in awhile he’ll hit a home run but too often it almost seems as if he’s running into his own linemen and falling down. I thought Jackson showed flashes last year and the year before (Detroit game comes to mind). I’m just surprised they don’t give him more of a chance to split carries.

by chewie on Sep 25, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

He needs to actually be active for a game first which means he needs to STOP being injured!

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Too early to draw conclusions

They had a couple unimpressive games but you can’t draw every conclusion right off. Players are still adjusting to the 3-4 and it might take until midseason to see what they have there. Offensively they need to get a running game going plain and simple. The Bengals played one gap all day long ears pinned back ignoring the run. You need to hit some good runs to force them to play some 2-gap and have D linemen holding ground a bit worried about the run game. Rodgers is not Drew Brees. He can’t be expected to shoulder the entire burden of the offense.

If you want to be concerned about anything it should be that in general the Packers are losing at the point of attack on both sides of the ball. That is hard to fix and hard to overcome.

by Sand0 on Sep 24, 2009 8:11 PM CDT reply actions  

" Rodgers is not Drew Brees."

No he isn’t as good as Brees yet but he isn’t far behind. The biggest difference bewteen Rodgers and Brees, is Brees gets time in the pocket. If Rodgers could have gotten some time in the pocket, he probably would have went 300+ in both our games so far. We’re definitely losing at the point of the attack offense, which I agree is very hard to overcome. But I don’t think we’re losing at the point of attack on defense. We held the Bears rushing attack to 2.2 ypc (which was what the Steelers did) and got pretty good pressure on Cutler. Even in our game against Cincy the line got good penetration (Pickett had got in the backfield 3 times but missed all three tackles) and Jenkins had a tackle for loss and did a good job as well. They ran all over us because of their experience against the 3-4 and the blocking schemes they used to us. They actually brought a T in for their TE a 4-5 times, and I think all those plays resulted in 4 carries for 35-40 yards for Benson. We just didn’t adjust well but that’s part of the transition to the 3-4 that is difficult. And probably the biggest reason we got gashed on the ground was missed tackles. I read that we had 10 of them, and 4 of them were tackles that would have went for a loss.

I agree we do need a run game and I think MM is largely to blame for this. In the 2nd quarter Grant had 9 carries for 36 yards, and was pretty consistently getting 3-4 yards every run, with a couple of 8 yard gains and 2 yard gains mixed in there. And then from that point in the 2nd quarter we preceded to run Grant only 5 more times. It wasn’t like we were down, we were pretty much tied or up the whole 1st half, and then were down only 7 in the 2nd half. So it wasn’t like we were in a need to pass situation. MM has pretty much did this all of last year and has so far in both of our games this year. Against the Bears Grant again had 9 carries for 36 yards early in the 2nd quarter and MM only rushed him 7 more times. Why? It beats me. Our run game actually was doing pretty good against the Bears and for some reason MM continued to try and pass every down.

The point you bring up about is needing to run the ball more is great one and one that I had not really looked at. I think the run game is very important for us, and will ultimately create more time for Rodgers. So at least 25+ carries for Grant this weekend and seeing 10+ 5 WR sets are the two things I really, really hope MM will do.

by packallday555 on Sep 24, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

9-7, 2nd place NFC North

That was my prediction before the preseason and I’m sticking with it throughout the ups and downs that have occured since.
Rodgers and the passing attack will straighten out just fine eventually but the ground game won’t be able to eat clock when it matters and the defense will tire. Expect to see a RB taken in the 1st/2nd round next year. (My mind is always on next years draft.)

by Jayrome007 on Sep 25, 2009 12:46 AM CDT reply actions  

that would be a horrible waste of a draft pick

and im not going to keep arguing on next years draft when the seasons just started

On that fly to right-center
I kinda expected JD to plow into Rios with an ATV.

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by Sox Machine on Aug 17, 2009 7:35 PM PDT reply recommended Unrec 3

by blackoutsox on Sep 25, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

disagree

While I think we need help in other areas too, if a great RB is available, I wouldn’t throw a fit. Grant sucks. Jackson has been very underwhelming. The others are special teamers at best. We have one of the worst groups of RBs in the league.

by TrevorR on Sep 28, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would agree but I just think we need other things more. I was thinking we might want a CB, but Woodson looks like he still has at least 2 years left in him. The biggest need is obviously oline. Then after that I don’t think it would hurt to draft a good, hard-nosed LB that is big, and strong. I also am praying to god we don’t a wr in next years draft..Seems like we do every single year and the 4 we got now are a great group of guys.

I also really, really hope TT will look into bringing in a FA rb or olineman. I just took a look at the FA list for 2010 and there were some interesting RBs available. Jerious Norwood from the Falcons. He is a speedster and has great hands out of the backfield. Pierre Thomas of the Saints. He is a good runner and probably even better pass catcher. Chester Taylor of the Vikes. You all probably know him. He is a great pass catcher and is very shifty running the ball. Of course I have a hard time thinking all those guys won’t get signed but if they don’t it would be great for TT to get one of them.

We need a faster back. Grant is good once he gets going, but he is too slow to run the zone stretch plays that MM loves so much. He isn’t cutting fast enough, and a lot of the time doesn’t even see the hole. We also need a guy who can catch out of the backfield. Teams play our deep ball so much and right now Rodgers just has Grant to dump it off to. Grant is too slow to make anyone miss, and a lot of the time is tackled immediately after the catch. (Same goes for Jackson)

I watched the Vikes game yesterday and so many times they would dump it off to Taylor a yard past the line of scrimmage but because of his quicks he could make the LB miss and would pick up a 1st down. Our rbs lack that and that is something that could make a huge difference for our offense.

by packallday555 on Sep 28, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

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