Green Bay Trades In A Safety
Green Bay addressed it's need at safety by signing Matt Giordano today. Giordano was one of the three players the Packers brought in to shore up the lack of depth in the defensive backfield. Giordano, a five-year NFL veteran, was best known for his special teams contributions with the Colts, along with his amazing open-field speed.
This is a great move; it helps reinforce the glaring hole at safety, especially since Atari Bigby and Nick Collins are hurt. That means that Giordano will be competing with Jarrett Bush and Derrick Martin for the starting spot alongside Aaron Ro...
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In a related move, the Packers cut safety Aaron Rouse to make room on the 53-man roster.
Let me type that sentence again, because I'm frankly not sure if it makes any sense.The Packers cut Aaron Rouse to make room on the 53-man roster.
Cut him. Let him go. Released him. Asked him to clean out his locker, gave him a cardboard box, and sent him along his merry way. No matter how you spin it, Green Bay cut a safety to make room for...another safety.
Please, if you have small children that are of reading age, cover their ears.
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TED THOMPSON, YOU SLACK-JAWED, CROSS-EYED, IN-BRED, TWO-BIT, LOOKING HIGH-ALL-THE-TIME, RIDICULOUSLY RIDICULOUS MORON! WHAT THE HELL?! WHY WOULD YOU RELEASE THE MOST ATHLETIC PLAYER LEFT AT THE SAFETY POSITION IN ORDER TO PICK SOMEONE ELSE UP? YOUR TWO STARTERS ARE HURT, SO HOW IS THE NEXT LOGICAL MOVE TO CUT THE PLAYER WITH THE MOST RELEVANT EXPERIENCE?!
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Ahem. I'm back. I'm sorry to use my big boy voice in here, but I just can't help myself.
The last week or so has really made me question Thompson's plan for 2009 and beyond. Our quarterback got killed in Week 1 because Allen Barbre (one of his guys) was playing like garbage. OK, I understand the need for continuity on the line, and he should have gotten a chance to redeem himself, and he did. Then, our quarterback gets killed in Week 2 because a) Chad Clifton is far further on the decline than we care to admit, b) Clifton got hurt after giving up 2 sacks, and c) Daryn Colledge (another Thompson pick) was forced to move to LT and got demolished.
And you know what, I was okay with that too, because Colledge has practical experience at left tackle and, before Sunday, was one of our best linemen in terms of blocking assignments. But why did it even get to that point? Because Thompson decided to release the only player he brought in to compete for the backup LT spot (Jamon Meredith). And I was even okay with that, because Meredith had a poor showing in preseason and training camp against second- and third-stringers. Besides, he managed to stash him on the practice squad, so the chances that Meredith would stick around for 2010 were pretty good.
And where's Meredith now? Buffalo. So now what's the plan to fix the offensive line while Clifton is out with a sprained ankle?
That's one issue. The other issue, of course, is what to do at safety while Atari Bigby (sprained knee) and Nick Collins (sprained clavicle (you can sprain your clavicle?)) are on the sideline. Obviously, it would behoove Thompson to sign somebody as to avoid playing Derrick Martin before he's ready or playing Jarrett Bush at all. And when I heard that they were bringing in the aforementioned Giordano, Nate Ness, and DeAndre Wright, I said to myself, "Self, this is a good sign, because Thompson usually doesn't sign veterans mid-season. He recognizes a problem and is trying to fix it."
Then he releases Aaron Rouse.
And I'm not even a huge Aaron Rouse fan, but when you're missing your top two players at a position, why release the third guy to pick up somebody who may or may not even contribute anywhere but special teams? Maybe it's because this week's opponent doesn't have a decent passing game (I was actually doing research for my weekly preview before learning of this news). Does Thompson think that Martin will be able to step into the starting role while Bigby and Collins heal? Maybe. Does he think that Jarrett Bush will avoid failing in spectacular fashion against one of the worst teams in the league? God, I hope not.
This might work out eventually. Shoot, we don't know how long Collins is going to be out, so it might even be a moot point if Derrick Martin can contribute. And Giordano, as Brandon said, looked like the most worthwhile player to invest in, even for this season. So, hey, what do I know, I'm just a writer.
But what I do know is this: The offensive line is currently in shambles, and with our top LT injured and therefore shuffling around the starting five, pass protection is going to be an even bigger problem. Simultaneously, our defensive backfield has a huge hole in the middle of the field, and we might be putting the worst player on the roster in one of those spots. Why are we in that position? Because Thompson decided it was more important to carry three fullbacks than keep a player who started six games last year (plus one game the year before and one game in 2009) and was second on the team in tackles against Cincinnati. Does he have weaknesses? Absolutely, but he's the best option to start at safety, and now he's on the street.
In the short term, I'm unsure of how this will work out. With no decent safeties, Green Bay is liable to give up several big plays, probably for scores. That means the team will be behind early and often, and Mike McCarthy (the genius playcaller he is) will likely abandon the run and lean on Aaron Rodgers to carry the offense, even though Rodgers' protection is below-average at best. In the long term, after these injuries pass, the team might be able to regain its form. But who knows when that will happen?
I have always been a supporter of Thompson's vision for building a championship contender, and up until two weeks ago, I thought his vision was manifesting itself on the football field. But looking at his history of drafting offensive linemen (which one could argue is either remarkable or terrible), the amount of players he's kept at a fringe position (seriously, THREE fullbacks!), and now releasing a starting-caliber player to make room for a special teams guy? Let's just say I'm not seeing what he's doing there.
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Colts fan on Gio
I liked Giordano and depending on what kind of role he has to play you guys might too. He’s a great special teamer, with blazing speed (if the endzone had been 2-3 yards further away in superbowl XLI he probably would have caught Devin Hester from behind on the opening return).
On defense he had some nice plays as a dimeback and in mop up work, but the only time he got extended PT at safety was as part of the 2006 Colts regular season run defense debacle.
He’s a great asset to kick/punt coverage and is useful in a limited role on defense, but I don’t think he’s a starting caliber safety.
It's not just your perceptions that can be wrong. Even your memory is often incomplete or possibly flat out wrong.
by shake n bake on Sep 23, 2009 1:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
Feel free to use the big boy voice. I had to reread the article because I thought you made a mistake. I have also generally supported TTs moves but his one is a head shaker. Rouse definitely needed some work in coverage but he knew the system and was a tremendous athlete. Add that to the loss of Meredith and I’m not sure what to think… Hopefully Giordano can contribute early…
by soliman on Sep 23, 2009 1:44 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
They chose to keep Jarrett Bush over Rouse?
They ditched someone who showed he was at the very least competent at his position for someone who shouldn’t be on the field ever? Ugh…..
"You have no honor!" - McClung to Fukudome
by zsxander567 on Sep 23, 2009 1:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
exactly
thats my only beef with this move. if you want to drop one safety to pick up another why get rid of Rouse instead of Bush? Bush is horrible and Rouse CAN be serviceable at times. it would sure be nice to have Anthony Smith on the team now, huh?
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Sep 23, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why don't we
move Kampman to safety, seriously he’s probably as good as Bush.
by PackaCracka on Sep 23, 2009 1:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good Post!
I like this! A good smart-@ss suggestion!
by ktenreb on Sep 23, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Safety Dance Haiku
The Men Without Hats
We can score if we want to
Leave your backs behind
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by PackerHaiku on Sep 23, 2009 2:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I am impressed
you’ve been bringing your A-game lately.
"Brandon Jennings needs a nickname before he gives himself one. Oh wait, Young Money, he already did."
by Mitchell_M on Sep 23, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow the edge of the cliff is approaching
well not really i am not that type of fan… but WTF is TT doing? does he dven watch the games or scout or even do anything with the players? If we were in a completely different situation i would like this move. Someone with speed that could maybe tackle a PR or KR for once. But right now ST is the last thing I want fixed!!!! Rouse was going to be a suitable backup for as long as Bigby was out. Bush is the weak link!!! Not only has he struggled on defense but two false starts on ST at home! Really your on the field 5 times a game or whatever and you blew it then. Why does he deserve the chance to get PT and the chance to even still be on the team rather than a guy that is suitable for what we need right now.. TT you are blowing my mind and this time by no means is it a good thing
by bizzle4 on Sep 23, 2009 2:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ted is a moron
You guys have historically given Ted WAY too much credit. As far as I can tell, he hasn’t accomplished anything. Your observations concerning the present state of the offensive line need to go back to the beginning of his tenure, when he allowed Rivera and Wahle to leave and tried to replace them with the Legend Who Is Adrian Klemm and some rookie named Wil Wittaker, both of whom are now out of the league. We haven’t had decent guards since Ted got here (sorry, Colledge has progressed to merely below-average), which forced McCarthy to go with his gimmick Zone Blocking scheme to try to cover up the lack of talent. Now, the tackles that Ted inherited, who were very good tackles, have aged past their useful lives. The solution appears to be, um, Barbre and the less-than-average guard, which means 2 games and 10 sacks.
The safety thing — that’s way too weird. I have to wonder if there was a discipline issue or something else that made Ted think that Bush is better than Rouse.
by ktenreb on Sep 23, 2009 3:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is wrong
which forced McCarthy to go with his gimmick Zone Blocking scheme to try to cover up the lack of talent
McCarthy wanted the zone blocking scheme from the beginning, hence hiring Jags as the Off Cord.
But, yes, Thompson doesn’t seem to have a clue as to how to draft an offensive lineman, or god for bid, sign one! We have tons of cap space for it.
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
by Michael M on Sep 23, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He wanted it BECAUSE of the lack of talent in the interior line
That’s the reason for it, don’t think otherwise.
But you make another very good point: We have TONS of cap room. Why don’t we have a serviceable backup left tackle on the roster? Too many fullbacks, I guess. . . .
by ktenreb on Sep 23, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your right we have tons and tons of cap room. I think we should really consider picking up Tauscher, Levi Jones, Marc Colombo, or Langston Walker. Getting Tauscher back to play RT is an improvement over Barbre for sure. If Clifton goes down again this year then we can stick in any of those 3 guys who have all played 7+ years at LT in the NFL, and all have to better then Colledge.
by packallday555 on Sep 23, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that the Packers need to sign Tauscher or Langston Walker but people who were clamoring to sign all these free agents in the off-season and even now need to realize that even though we have cap space right now, Pickett, Jolly, Spitz, Colledge, Chillar, and Collins are all unrestricted free agents and a few more guys are restricted free agents.
The Packers are only gonna be able to sing back at most 75% of those guys IMO so TT couldn’t spend freely this off-season and he won’t be able to right now either.
by FavreSucks on Sep 23, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many of those players do you want back?
I know I’m going to be vague here and offer up no other options, so forgive my hypocrisy for a moment. Pickett could be replaced by Raji, though I suppose you could make the argument you’d want Pickett as a back-up.
I like Jolly, though he had some legal troubles, is he worth a large contract?
Spitz, Colledge, and up until recently I felt Chillar was expendable.
Collin’s seems to teeter on the edge of greatness and awfulness…
I just want stability damn it! :)
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
by Michael M on Sep 23, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most Of Them!
I think Colledge and Jolly can be replaced. I would let those two go unless they took smaller contracts.
Losing Collins would be devastating. There was an article written recently where a Packers beat writer talked to a scout a couple of seasons ago before Collins even showed all of his potential, and the scout said the his team would definitely take Collins and he thought almost every team in the league would want him as a starter. That was a couple of seasons ago when he wasn’t even looking that promising.
I would definitely want Spitz back. I think he’s the best center and guard on this team. He’s a solid player. I actually would make Pickett a priority because you always have injuries on the d-line so you need depth and Raji could still play a little bit at DE making them even more stout with the two of them in there together. I think Chillar is their best all around linebacker (blizter and cover LB) at this point so I would look to sign him back and try to trade Hawk. Then Bishop could get some much needed playing time as well. Then they have important guys like Tramon Williams who will be restricted.
I really think the Packers are only a couple players away from being one of the best Packer teams ever. 1) Dynamic RB 2) Two beasty offensive lineman (I like Spitz, Sitton and Lang in the future. They need two tackles) 3) A monster ILB (which could be Bishop) who can take on centers and guards and blow them up.
by FavreSucks on Sep 23, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I totally forgot about Bishop, probably because the packers have too
But he needs to see snaps and yes, I’m totally fine with Hawk being traded if that’s what it’s going to take. Tramon Williams brings up another interesting point, parallel in my belief to the offensive line. In that, we have two aging corners with no groomed replacements, outside of Williams.
That, like the line, will probably be our next issue.
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
by Michael M on Sep 23, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would take Jolly over Pickett
thats all I got to say
On that fly to right-center
I kinda expected JD to plow into Rios with an ATV.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Aug 17, 2009 7:35 PM PDT reply recommended Unrec 3
by blackoutsox on Sep 23, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jolly vs. Pickett
No way I would take Jolly over Pickett. Pickett plays the most important position in the 3-4 and Jolly plays a position where any big guy can do the job for the most part.
I’ve also heard concerns that once Jolly gets a big contract he could turn into Corey Williams. Did you see him against Cincy? I know everyone looked bad but Jolly got flushed away on every running play. He’s not great at holding the point or getting to the QB.
by FavreSucks on Sep 23, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jolly
A. I think he would be cheaper than Pickett
B. He would only be a backup for Raji and give him breaks
C. Pickett takes up multiple blockers, but Jolly drives through them
Sure he has no finesse like Pickett, but he is pure force going at the oline, and that disruption allows others to get into the backfield and make plays
This is all conjecture though.
On that fly to right-center
I kinda expected JD to plow into Rios with an ATV.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Aug 17, 2009 7:35 PM PDT reply recommended Unrec 3
by blackoutsox on Sep 23, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
We need both. Only having 3 guys who play the majority of the game is not what you want..Imagine how much more effective the line could be with everyone being more fresh. I don’t see any reason why we couldn’t sign Collins, Jolly, Pickett, Chillar, Spitz, and Colledge. The only one who will get a big contract is Collins. All the other guys should be manageable. We definitely should keep Chillar, dude looks like a beast so far this year. Colledge and Spitz are both pretty good in the interior and both have been good this year when playing in the interior.
by packallday555 on Sep 24, 2009 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
generally agree except on Chillar
Chillar was our best LB last year and he certainly is this year. Matthews is looking to be a great pick so far and Kampman is playing well as expected. Barnett, who has never been a good hitter, is now well below average as an LB. I don’t get having him on the field at all except in dime situations. Hawk played decent week 1 and poor this week. I can’t understand how such a strong guy can get eaten up in blocks. And he is below average against the pass and takes some of the worst angles to the outside I have ever seen. I am sadly very serious in that allegation. He just seems to lack instincts and field presence. He should only be used on short yardage and 1st downs. Bishop and Chillar should be starting in the middle.
Re: Rouse – he makes so many plays and hard hits but it is the few he completely blows that kill us. That is why he’s gone. They had to sever the tie because they couldn’t resist the temptation of playing him hoping he will stay on his A game. Which he just can’t seem to do unfortunately.
Re: Bush – I find it very hard to justify giving him a roster spot. His many penalties on ST and when on the field on D surely negate the positives he brings.
I still think our D can be solid. This week was bad against a better than expected Cincy team. We gotta get the starting safeties healthy and get Raji on the field. And spread out the O to force teams to back off the rush. If they are forced to only rush 3 or 4 because we are spread too wide, it will kill their rush and free up the running lanes. We nee to be pounding them with the short routes. We simply have too much talent to cover. MM seems to think max protect is the way to go and with the quality of our receivers & TE’s, I think that’s a mistake.
Would like to hear what others think.
by BSGorilla on Sep 23, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the short route assertion
but I remember hearing Rodgers saying after the Bears game that Chicago had taken those away. Perhaps, why McCarthy went away from that in week 2.
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
by Michael M on Sep 23, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey…where are Rivera and Wahle these days? Did you know that NEITHER of them are under their HUGE contracts that they left the team for? Rivera is out of the league since 2007 and Wahle was released by the Seahawks (his second team since then…and YES the lowly Seahawks who might have as bad a line as us) and he is now a free agent too. Explain to me how either one of them help us right now. They were both at the end of their careers and wanted HUGE deals. They got the deals and fell apart. I consider this one of TT best moves as a GM.
by TrevorR on Sep 23, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody said that letting Rivera and Wahle was a bad move
Wahle had a good career after he left, and we all remember that Rivera messed up his back on a treadmill right after he signed with Dallas. Stuff happens. I have never said that letting them go was a mistake. I said that failing to replace them was a mistake, one of many that TT has made. I note you didn’t try to defend Adrian Klemm.
by ktenreb on Sep 23, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats exactly what you said...
…and they were both HUGE busts.
Rivera did get hurt right after he signed but doesn’t that mean that we were SOL there either way?!?! Wahle had a nice season his first year with Carolina and was a starter after that but he didn’t live up to the kind of money he made.
Anyway, what you said was “when he allowed Rivera and Wahle to leave and tried to replace them with the Legend Who Is Adrian Klemm and some rookie named Wil Wittaker, both of whom are now out of the league.”
sounded to me like you were holding him accountable for letting them go…but personally it was totally the way to go. We had HUGE money invested in that line that was aging fast. Tough call but we would have been in terrible shape if they stuckaround. I could name a few of our players that would likely be gone with our cagillion dollar oline!
by TrevorR on Sep 23, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Said TrevorR
TT bashers still bring up Whale and Rivera when the result of those two massive signings was one real nice season for Wahle. It’s funny cause if he gave them huge contracts and they both fell off like they did then the TT bashers would be at him for signing them to big contracts but since he let them go they’re at him anyway. It boggles my mind. Where TT went wrong is only finding one suitable replacement (Spitz) for the two of them though.
by FavreSucks on Sep 23, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the logic
The thinking may have been that Rouse can’ stay on the field, so what good is he? He got hurt again on Sunday. Not sure how serious it was, but i would guess that the Packers know more.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Sep 23, 2009 3:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is anyone here a mind reader?
Perhaps TT does have a plan for Bush that doesn’t involve him being on the team. Just because Rouse was the first move doesn’t mean he’s the last one.
by Danwood on Sep 23, 2009 3:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just call me an optimist
Maybe they’re cooking up a deal with another team for Bush. I know trades are rather rare, but I can be a dreamer :)
by Danwood on Sep 23, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe the UFL
…can we trade him for Koren robinson? I think I’d rather have him back!
by TrevorR on Sep 23, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here Goes The TT Bashing
Rouse Sucks guys. I’m not defending everything TT does because like every GM he makes mistakes but this isn’t necessarily one of them. They’ve given Rouse chance after chance and he might be the most inconsistent player I’ve seen this decade for the Packers. Does it really matter if he has a pass deflection on 1st and 10 and then gives up a TD standing still on the very next play? I’ve listed this before but once again from the Green Bay Press Gazette:
“He took a poor leverage angle on the third-and-34 screen the Bengals converted, then was supposed to be playing deep zone on the next play, when (Carson) Palmer hit WR Chad Ochocinco for 44 on a flea-flicker. In Rouse’s defense, ILB Brandon Chillar also took a bad angle on the screen and CBs Charles Woodson and Al Harris overbought on the flea-flicker — not surprising, given the Packers’ struggles stopping the run. But Rouse also erred on WR Chris Henry’s 5-yard TD catch, showing a lack of vision as he looked for a quick pass and Henry ran free on an in behind him.”
They aren’t losing anything in this guy. If Derrick Martin is ready (like they think he will be) and Collins plays (which he’s suppose to now) they have two guys better than Rouse. If one of them gets hurt against the Rams they’re obviously in trouble with Bush but based on what a couple of Colts fans have posted, I’d take this Giordano guy in the long run over Rouse.
by FavreSucks on Sep 23, 2009 3:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I certainly hope you're right
My problem is, when you compare Bush and Rouse, Rouse is clearly the superior player.
"Brandon Jennings needs a nickname before he gives himself one. Oh wait, Young Money, he already did."
by Mitchell_M on Sep 23, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Bush has some dirt on Thompson
that’s the only reason I can think for why he still has a job.
by Charlie Kelly on Sep 23, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bush vs. Rouse
You’re right, Mitchell. Rouse is superior to Bush as a starting safety but Bush is far superior than Rouse on special teams. I realize Bush gets stupid penalties on special teams because he’s a stupid player but he’s far more valueble as a backup than Rouse. The problem comes when one of them needs to start. I’m not confident in either of them starting though.
I don’t like Bush at all either but as long as Martin and Collins start and stay healthy, Giodano gets use to the system, and Bigby comes back in a couple of weeks, I’d take Bush as a special teams/5th safety than Rouse as a non-special teamer/4th safety.
by FavreSucks on Sep 23, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
an interesting take
I still disagree, but you brought in a different perspective I hadn’t considered before.
"Brandon Jennings needs a nickname before he gives himself one. Oh wait, Young Money, he already did."
by Mitchell_M on Sep 23, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I’d just say if any two of Collins, Bigby, and Martin are healthy I would take Bush for his skills on special teams. If two of those three guys are hurt, I would obviously take Rouse as a starting SS.
I think after the bye week this will turn out as a good thing for the Packers even though it looks a little grim right now. By then they should have Bigby and Collins back to starting, and Martin and Giordano as the primary backups. From all accounts Bush, Martin (based on what the Ravens coaches said) and Giordano (based on what the Colts fans say) are all special teams aces, and Martin and Giordano are solid backup safeties as well. That should help their special teams and not lose anything if one of the starting safeties gets hurt.
by FavreSucks on Sep 23, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two different positions...
Bush is a corner, Rouse was a safety. I know they were playing Bush at safety lately, but he’s out of position there. With the recent roster moves, the Packers have done a nice job in moving Bush down the depth chart at safety. He’s no more than an emergency option there now.
He’s still listed as the backup to Woodson, though. Bush is a better corner than safety, but there would be some serious dropoff there. I hope we don’t have to find out how much anytime soon.
by RobertArthur on Sep 23, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rouse is a TT pick
If he sucked, well, that’s on TT, too.
That said, i agree that this isn’t such a great loss, and he looked terrible on Sunday.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Sep 23, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
Yes I am.
"Brandon Jennings needs a nickname before he gives himself one. Oh wait, Young Money, he already did."
by Mitchell_M on Sep 23, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
me too.
I also went into an impotent rage this morning when I read the report about releasing Rouse in order to pick up a third-rate DB who has zero history in the 3-4 defense.
Can I roll the clock back to week 3 of the preseason? Those were such sweetly naive days….
While this move appears inexplicable, I’ll still give TT the benefit of the doubt, despite the fact that it reeks of the same desperation that followed cutting solidly reliable Jon Ryan in order to replace him with a guy who could couldn’t punt when it counted.
by 400metres on Sep 23, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no no no
you brought it up! WHY did you bring it up?! Now i have even LESS hope for this move to work out.
"Brandon Jennings needs a nickname before he gives himself one. Oh wait, Young Money, he already did."
by Mitchell_M on Sep 23, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jarrett Bush must have dirt on TT...
I know that one of the arguments for Bush was that he was a stellar ST player. But, after the 2 false starts on Bush on Sunday, I think that Rouse grades out higher. We have 3 FBs…whom we kept because of STs…I think having a safety who’s a good safety should be a higher priority at this point.
by hollycrat on Sep 23, 2009 5:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What a clown,

Green and Gold / Black, and White
by OznCoop on Sep 23, 2009 6:32 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
hmm, only one rec needed
I know where that would be different
On that fly to right-center
I kinda expected JD to plow into Rios with an ATV.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Aug 17, 2009 7:35 PM PDT reply recommended Unrec 3
by blackoutsox on Sep 23, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a little extreme on the imagery
but, yeah. A lot of people have a target on him.
"Brandon Jennings needs a nickname before he gives himself one. Oh wait, Young Money, he already did."
by Mitchell_M on Sep 23, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mitchell
Mr. Put Your Clothes Back On And Step Away From The Ledge, you of all people should know that it’s too early to freak over something as insignificant as releasing a backup for another backup, essentially. Let’s wait and see what TT has planned.. I doubt anyone here is an NFL GM.
Also, Nick Collins is a monster. In my humble opinion, losing him would be like the Ravens losing Ed Reed or the Steelers losing Polamalu.
by Dave Z on Sep 23, 2009 6:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate when people say this:
Let’s wait and see what TT has planned.. I doubt anyone here is an NFL GM.
It’s cliche’.
Comparing Collins to Reed or Polamalu…really? Maybe in terms of importance to each team but individually I don’t think there’s an argument.
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
by Michael M on Sep 23, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's true though
Everyone seems to think they can GM their team better than the current one but none of us here know anything about the job other than maybe playing as one on Madden. Also, I don’t think he was comparing those two with Collins individually, just by worth to their respective teams.
by Charlie Kelly on Sep 23, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough, it is cliche.
And it was in terms of importance to each team and i made sure it read that way.
by Dave Z on Sep 23, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are right. my mistake.
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
by Michael M on Sep 23, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll see
Collins had 7 INTs last year, and already has 1 this year. He is young and starting to hit his prime now. Is he on the level of Polamalu or Reed? No probably not. But could he be? Ya I think it’s possible.
by packallday555 on Sep 24, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
and I like to think I tempered my confusion and terror by the end of the article. But, honestly, releasing a starter for a backup (which in the wake of the Bigby/Collins injuries is exactly what happened) doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. Also, I want Jarrett Bush gone.
"Brandon Jennings needs a nickname before he gives himself one. Oh wait, Young Money, he already did."
by Mitchell_M on Sep 23, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TT must be banging somebody
Rouse just needed more playing time to be more consistent. As a rookie he had a couple picks when starting in place of Collins. He’s physical and athletic, and for Christ sake, HE STARTED LAST WEEK. And they cut him, in favor of a guy who doesn’t know the system or the other dudes in the secondary??? Stupid. Rouse will end up playing for someone else, and I hope one day he hurts the Packers. They deserve it. Decisions like this are the reason they’ve gone nowhere since Favre left, despite having a lot of talent. I mean, TT dropped a QB who’d had the 3rd best season of his career and led them to the NFC championship game the year before – so really, this decision is consistent with all of his others, like drafting Justin Harrell and keeping three FBs on the roster when you’re thin at safety.
by KSterling on Sep 23, 2009 8:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Do we really need to re-hash this? Really?
TT dropped a QB who’d had the 3rd best season of his career and led them to the NFC championship game the year before – so really, this decision is consistent with all of his others
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
by Michael M on Sep 23, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
KSterling
Go to the Vikings board. No one cares about Favre anymore. Everyone who isn’t obsessed with the man realized the Packers made the right move in gettting rid of Favre in favor of Rodgers.
Rouse sucks so I’m sure the Packers are just dreading the day he comes back and hurts them. I love how you TT haters bring up Justin Harrell in every discussion and I never hear about Greg Jennings, Aaron Rodgers, Jason Spitz, a 6th rounder for Ryan Grant, the Woodson FA signing, the Chillar signing, Tramon Williams, so on and so on.
by FavreSucks on Sep 23, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
If you really look at the guys he has brought in there isn’t much to complain about.
by packallday555 on Sep 24, 2009 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? You happy with an OK-to-good team?
If you want a superbowl winner, you need to have outstanding drafts or make deals for outstanding players. How many pro-bowlers has he picked up so far? Woodson and Collins. 2 in 5 years. Spielman has picked up 2 in 2 years: AP & Allen. I won’t count Favre. Even Angelo, with all those wacky draft choices has done better in his 7 years: Harris, Briggs, Gould, Cutler, Hester, Vasher. (Angelo has been around since 2001, but Jauron made the decisions up to early ‘03) So he’s better than Matt Millen. Yay!
Look at TT’s 2007 draft:
Harrell — ‘nuff said
Jackson — Loved by Grant haters and no one else.
Jones — Where has he been?
Rouse — gone.
Barbre — would probably be gone except that previous TT OL picks were even worse
Clowney — remember him?
Hall — Fullbacks, need one in every draft
Crosby — In the bottom quartile of NFL kickers.
Wynn — Still here, which is good for a 7th rounder, but that’s about all you can say for him.
+ Some other guy who is now gone.
So out of that draft the Packers got a downgrade at PK and a bag of spare parts.
I think TT gets a pass because people like how he handled Favre, whom people blamed for the loss to the Giants. But even if Favre was past his prime, the team had other weaknesses (e.g., OL) which have yet to be addressed adequately.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Sep 24, 2009 2:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're looking to compare GMs, I think Spielamn is a bad choice
He was lucky enough for AP to fall to seven when he should’ve went first or second overall. And it doesn’t make sense to bring up Allen as you’ll never see Ted trade draft picks for a highly paid player. If you want to look at drafts, what about Troy Williamson? What about Erasmus James? Marcus Johnson? Tavaris Jackson? Nobody is perfect in, Also, you bring up Superbowls, but how many have Angelo or Spielman run teams won?
by Charlie Kelly on Sep 24, 2009 6:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's the competition
The Packers have to beat their division rivals if they’re going to get to the postseason, that’s why those guys are most relevant. I could have cherry picked a few other teams that would make TT look much worse.
It’s not sufficient to say, oh, everyone makes mistakes — not unless you’re happy with mediocrity. You want to minimise mistakes, especially the ones at the top of the draft.
If you’re going to say Spielman got lucky, well, i could say TT got lucky with Rodgers (who will probably be more likely to go to IR than the Pro Bowl this year). Allen and Cutler are totally relevant because they are TT’s competition’s acquistions. You know, maybe TT should consider trading for people on Allen’s level, because he is not the draft wiz he seems to think he is.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Sep 24, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Figures that you would list only the players who haven’t worked out, and even that isn’t right.
Jones was hurt last year, but was excellent his rookie year. (646 yards and 6 TDs)
Hall is our starting FB and is solid.
Crosby has struggled this year but has been one of the better kickers in the league the last 2 years. I don’t think 2 bad games in enough to say he is in the bottom quartile.
Clowney is actually a pretty good player now, and was a good #3 guy last year, we just decided to let him because our top 4 are far better then him.
You forgot to add Rodgers, Hawk (say what you want about him, but he has led our team in tackles and has looked great in our new system so far), Collins (top 5 FS in the league), Jennings (top 6 WR in the league), Grant for a 6th rounder, Woodson, Pickett, Jenkins, Chillar, T Williams (5 INTs last year, 1 already this year), Nelson and Jones (both have been solid #3 guys thus far, and both have a lot of room to improve), and Bigby. Not too mention Raji and Matthews who by all indications thus far look like they will be great players for us.
He has brought in a lot of talent. Every GM has guys that are total busts in the draft, and you only listed probably 5 legit busts. That’s over a time of 4 years. I’ll take 5 busts in 4 years. He was fortunate that our oline was good when he took over but unfortunately for him all those guys he had in 05’ when taking over, are now gone or declining. Spitz and Colledge both look like they’ll work out and Sitton has looked good enough as well. Yes, Barbre looks horrible, and will probably be a bust. He needs to get some good Ts in next years draft. The guy has actually done a pretty good job.
And Spielman? He is possibly the worst drafter ever. Williamson? James? D Thomas? Jackson? Marcus Johnson? Ryan Cook? McCauley? Rice (if you consider Jones a bust then Rice definitely is one) The one thing Spielman does well is signing FAs and trades.
by packallday555 on Sep 24, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Homeruns
I’m talking about guys who have made the Pro Bowl. Hawk, Chillar, Rodgers etc. haven’t, that’s why i didn’t mention them. Sorry. That’s a list of TT’s generally recognised, unqualified successes. I’m being positive; it’s not my fault it’s short.
To repeat, an outstanding team needs the GM to make a few home run picks, not just solid or even good picks or guys who can play a role or ST or “Packer people”. Look at Ron Wolf’s picks and trades. He stockpiled a whole raft of top tier players and even dealt for a couple HOFers.
The guys on that list above are all 2007 draftees. I left Bishop off the list. Mea culpa.
As for Crosby, look at his FG percentage. You’ll find him toward the bottom of the list, just a hair under 80% in both years. It’s true that he has somewhat tougher than average conditions to kick in. Nevertheless, previous Packer kickers have done better, and other cold-weather kickers are out-kicking him. The guy is just not that accurate once you get past 45 yds. or so — even indoors and in good weather. Go ahead and root for him, but at this point he is not one of the league’s better kickers. TT could have given all his picks to Oakland for Moss and still come out ahead.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Sep 25, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Mixed
The problem with the TT bashing is stupid comments like we could’ve traded Moss for all his picks and we would’ve been better off. Give me a break. We have the second best WR corp in the NFL because TT has drafted 3 good players there. The problem with TT support is that he really has only picked up two big impact players in Woodson FA and Rodgers the Draft. We could argue Matthews and Raji will become that but well see.
I think TT did exactly what he needed to his first three years as the GM. He took a team that had holes everywhere because of Sherman and he filled it up with solid draft picks and got the Packers back to being financially sound. The problem I have now is that the Packers have a good team but they’re missing 2 or 3 impact players to be great and TT isn’t gonna get them in the middle rounds of the draft.
He needs to see how the offensive line plays out the rest of the season and then make his final moves in regards to how it turns out. If you count Matthews and Raji as future impact players (which I really have a good feeling about) then he needs to go out and get an impact offensive lineman and a hardnosed ILB. If he can draft and sign two impact players in this coming off-season, I think the Packers will be world beaters next season.
by FavreSucks on Sep 25, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Rodgers is a home-run guy. Chillar is getting his first real chance this year and we’ll see how it turns out (but thus far he has looked like our best LB). Collins is a home run guy. Woodson is a home run guy. Jennings is a home run guy. Grant has been a home run guy, will see if that ever comes back though. Jenkins is a home run guy.
Crosby was 2nd in kicks made in 07’ and 13th in 08’. He is middle of the league average wise but as you pointed his conditions are probably some of the worst in the league.
The thing with Moss really wasn’t a big mistake for TT. We have probably the 2nd best WR corps in the league. Sure, Moss would without a doubt make our team better but there were a lot of questions about him and really there were only 4-5 teams even considering bringing him in because of it.
by packallday555 on Sep 25, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rouse...
didn’t he get injured against Cincy? Maybe that’s why he was cut?
by Mark Y on Sep 23, 2009 9:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe, but not sure, that would be against union policy
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
by Michael M on Sep 23, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rouse
got a neck stinger in the game but he’s fine.
by FavreSucks on Sep 23, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's even worse news guys: Chris Myers is announcing the game
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
by Michael M on Sep 23, 2009 11:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
at first I thought that was Chris Rose...either way, they're both horrible
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
by Michael M on Sep 23, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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