Analysis: Why Releasing Aaron Rouse Was A Good Move
I should have linked to Tom Pelissero's excellent breakdown of the Green Bay Packers loss to the Bengals two days ago, but better late then never.:
♦ S Aaron Rouse was productive (nine tackles) in place of SS Atari Bigby, particularly in run support, but as usual, Rouse had some glaring errors as well. He took a poor leverage angle on the third-and-34 screen the Bengals converted, then was supposed to be playing deep zone on the next play, when Palmer hit WR Chad Ochocinco for 44 on a flea-flicker.
Q: Was Rouse's performance on Sunday the catalyst for the move?
A: You never want to go off of just one performance. These decisions are made with a lot of information.
Most comments on his release have been negative. That was my first reaction too. But, as McCarthy said, this isn't a decision made after one game. After a good rookie season, he had some bad games last season in pass coverage and he took some bad angles to the ball. The disaster last season in New Orleans stands out in my mind. And 2008 wasn't a one year fluke. The scouting report, when he came into the NFL, said he struggled in pass coverage.
He'll probably end up somewhere in the NFL again, but he probably shouldn't be starting with his shortcomings in pass coverage. And there is the added benefit of adding S Matt Giordano, who made a lot of fans during his time with the Colts, and is probably healthier since Rouse suffered a neck stinger in the game against the Bengals.
And he's also a great special teams player, which was one of the reasons McCarthy mentioned for releasing Rouse. The Packers were bad on special teams last week, again from Tom Pelissero:
♦ P Jeremy Kapinos’ punts were too straight and low, but the coverage unit could have stopped PR Quan Cosby from breaking two big returns. Instead, Jeremy Thompson left his lane on one, giving Cosby a chasm to the near sideline for 60, and Chillar took a poor angle on the other, letting himself get pancaked as Cosby circled back to the far sideline for 32. The Bengals turned those returns into 10 points.
They could have kept Rouse for depth and instead released FB Quinn Johnson or LB Brad Jones since neither has been active for a game in 2009. But the coaches apparently have faith that recently acquired S Derrick Martin can start if S Nick Collins can't go on Sunday. S Jarrett Bush has struggled as a cornerback, but he's much better when only asked to help in coverage as a safety. With Bush, Martin, and Giordano available on Sunday, and CB Charles Woodson available to play safety in case of an emergency, the depth should be fine until Collins and S Atari Bigby return.
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Slowly, people talk
Maybe Roush was not answer
Guess we will find out
by Danwood on Sep 24, 2009 7:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok
Am I the only one that is at least a little weirded out by Mr.Miagi over here?
by StephanL on Sep 24, 2009 7:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The "Mr. Miyagi" comparison is apt
but frankly, it’s nice to read a reaction that ISN’T an immediate, rash, made-with-the-gut-not-with-the-head (read: my) reaction. Rouse was a necessary removal because he hasn’t improved enough as a pass defender.
I still find it surprising and somewhat puzzling, but I guess I have to trust the staff on this one. They’ve done more good than harm, anyway.
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by Mitchell_M on Sep 24, 2009 7:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Your memory of Rouse is very kind...
but not entirely accurate. He had a decent rookie season, but his performance slightly improved last year. However, the bad angles and poor tackling were present from his first minicamp and he never showed improvement in that area. The coaching wasn’t showing up on the field, and that’s what got him cut.
Rouse was interesting during the draft because of his size and power. He was really a LB/DB tweener. After he was drafted, there was concern that he could learn to be a pure DB in the pro game. The Packers gambled that he could, but he never did. Apparently, the previous DB coaches thought his potential was worth the mistakes. I’m guessing that Darren Perry thought differently.
by RobertArthur on Sep 24, 2009 9:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
His rookie season
Was a bit clouded by low expectations. I expected him to be awful, so when he wasn’t awful, I was very surprised. He might have seemed worse in 2008 just because he played more (6 games started in 2008, 3 in 2007).
by Brandon on Sep 24, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should add...
that we are starting to see some roster fallout of the 3-4 transition, and it is probably not going to end with Rouse. There’s only so much you can evaluate in practice and pre-season games. Some players on the current roster are going to struggle with the new scheme, now that the competition gets more intense. If the staff doesn’t think they can be coached through it, there will be changes.
by RobertArthur on Sep 24, 2009 9:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Personnel Haiku
Beating dead horse here
But Packer personnel moves
Quite questionable
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by PackerHaiku on Sep 24, 2009 2:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He didn't get worse after 2 games
Come on — Aaron Rouse is a known commodity in the Packers’ organization. If the coaching staff and GM didn’t think he had what it takes, they knew it during training camp. He’s the same guy, and it’s not like there was some “eureka” moment two games into the season. If he isn’t good enough now, the coaches and GM should have known that earlier. It’s just curious that he is cut when there is no depth. On Sunday, what happens if Collins can’t go, or gets hurt or is ineffective, and then Martin gets hurt too? We’re down to Bush and Giordano. Thank GOD we’re playing the Rams!
by ktenreb on Sep 24, 2009 3:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So you are saying that...
a NFL team should carry more than 5 safeties on its roster? There’s only 53 spots, and 45 active on game days. Any NFL team would have some problems, if 3 of their 5 safeties are injured. That’s just the way it works.
by RobertArthur on Sep 24, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are you talking about?
You employ the rhetorical devise of attacking a straw man. You make a statement and attribute it to me, even though I didn’t say it, and then you discredit the statement I didn’t make! It is a device commonly used by politicians, Republicans in particular. Please quote to me where I said that an NFL team should carry more than 5 safeties.
What I said was that Rouse didn’t get worse between the end of August and two weeks into September. I said that if he wasn’t good enough, it had to be known at the end of training camp. I said that when we are down to only three healthy (or semi-healthy) safeties (I didn’t say that one of them, namely Bush, is awful), it seems odd to cut one in order to sign another. Signing a new safety under the circumstances is a good idea; keeping three fullbacks in order to cut one of the safeties on the roster is odd. And, if you’re going to cut a safety, why keep the fifth stringer and cut the third stringer?
by ktenreb on Sep 24, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You posed a hypothetical of 3 injuried safeties...
Bigby, Collins, and Martin. In that case, Giordano and Bush would be the only two safeties left, and you made the point that this would indicate a lack of depth at the position. I thought you were suggesting the Packers carry 6 safeties, to compensate.
My point was, not many teams carry more than 5 safeties. On any team in the NFL, if your better players get hurt, then you have to play people that aren’t as good. That’s not a failure of planning, that’s just the way it works. In-game injuries make your team weaker, and teams have very limited ways to respond to them during the game because the active roster is only 45 players. Bigby and Collins have short-term injuries. As with all NFL teams, the lesser players have to step up and do the best they can until they get back.
Darren Perry has only seen Rouse play two games. True, the staff saw the whole team during practices and pre-season games, but those are very different competitive environments. Based on how Rouse played in those real games, he obviously saw less potential in Rouse than the old defensive staff did.
The choice between cutting Rouse and Bush is not a real choice, because they played different roles. Rouse was a strong safety, backing up Collins. Bush doesn’t play near the line; he’s more of a cover safety, used to defend a zone on passing downs. He’s fine in that role, if he can avoid making a penalty before the play begins.
by RobertArthur on Sep 24, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
green bay isn't going anywhere...
until McCarthy and Thompson are gone. McCarthys play calling along with clock managment and conservativeness (?) just doesn’t cut it in the NFL. and Thompson just isn’t making the right moves for a superbowl contender. you CANNOT build but only the draft (especially when you are bad at drafting) Look at the Detroit Red wings for Example. they draft well AND they make good FREE AGENT signings. that fill holes. and they have only been to 5 stanley cup finals winning four of them in the past 12 years. but what do they know right.??? Thompson needs to take McCarthy to the Lions or the Raiders cause neither one of them deserve to be a packer.
by FFmorgan89 on Sep 24, 2009 4:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A hockey team
is clearly an excellent comp for a football team.
On that fly to right-center
I kinda expected JD to plow into Rios with an ATV.
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by Sox Machine on Aug 17, 2009 7:35 PM PDT reply recommended Unrec 3
by blackoutsox on Sep 24, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Red Wings?
You’re a little too negative, I think, but your point about drafting well and signing the right free agents is a good model. The Patriots, for one, have used it, and they even play football!
I think that TT did well to sign Charles Woodson and Ryan Pickett, but that’s about it on the free agent front. His draft record is spotty. This really is the year where things should come together. Let’s see where we are in November before we start talking about who has to go, but I would agree that if the team isn’t a serious Super Bowl contender this year, then it may be time to start thinking about upgrading at GM and head coach.
by ktenreb on Sep 24, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please don't....
Please don’t devolve this site into another TT/MM complaint forum. This is a great site where there is a stunning amount of quality football knowledge and talk. I appreciate your angst but please, bring more to the table than just TT/MM slams. There are former decent Packer sites out there that are so ruined by the TT/MM bashers and Favre loyalists that there is no longer any constructive football talk going on at all. We have all heard it and to varying degrees agree on various poijnts I am sure. But constant “Fire TT now! Fire MM now!” criticisms ruin good Packer football talk. Like this forum offers in such a top notch degree.
by BSGorilla on Sep 24, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
-1
You can have your opinion, but I disagree with every sentiment of it. Plenty of teams employ the “Red Wings” strategy and are bottom or near bottom of the barrel (See Oak, KC, Was, Jax for a few examples).
by Danwood on Sep 24, 2009 4:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wolf
I guess you wouldn’t have liked Wolf then.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Sep 25, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
McCarthy did *not* say this isn't a decision made after one game.
Q: Was Rouse’s performance on Sunday the catalyst for the move?
A: You never want to go off of just one performance. These decisions are made with a lot of information.
“You never want to go off of just one performance.”
That’s not a “no”.
by aladdinwa on Sep 24, 2009 6:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The problem is TACKLING!
The real problem that the Packers need to address is good,basic tackling,rather than either reaching and grabbing or going for the big hit and bouncing off the player (a la A.J. Hawk,for instance) When a defense has 3 chances to tackle a running back for a loss,yet the same back turns it into a 15 yard gain,it’s time to go back to the tackling dummies for some remedial tackling.
Defense and tackling is desire,and the Packers didn’t show any desire,especially in the 2nd half!
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by FondyShotgun28 on Sep 24, 2009 10:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow..........
I can’t believe all of the uproar over cutting a mediocre backup safety has caused. Rouse was kept on the roster because he has some potential in different packages with the run game and in short yardage situations. Without the serious injuries to Collins and Bigby he never would have seen the light of day in passing situations. With the injuries there is no longer the roster spot for a package specific player with major liabilities. Giordano will help with pass coverage and on special teams because of his speed. With any luck he can start with Martin this week and use his speed against the fast Rams recievers.
by Dogg Pound on Sep 25, 2009 10:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well it is unusual
For a guy to start on Sunday and find himself released a couple days later. I still think it was a good move, just unusual.
by Brandon on Sep 25, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sacrificial Lamb
Perhaps Rouse was a bit of a sacrificial lamb. Rodgers had a couple of interesting post game comments where he implied that the team took the Bengals lightly and there was some slacking off in practice leading to the game. Rouse’s quick exit may have been a message to the squad as well, and numerous players were definitely surprised that a Sunday starter could be a Tuesday goner. Was it the ’97 Packers who were 9-1 or so heading in to Indianapolis to play the winless Colts and got their helmets handed to them? Happens even to great teams. Has to be a bigger concern for MM and a medicre team.
I saw a few Packer Bengal highlights on the NFL Network as the hosts used the end zone camera to dissect a few Bengal running plays. The common denominator was the Packer linebackers losing their gap responsibilities and getting caught behind the big bodies. On one play, for example, Barnett lined up on Jenkins’ outside shoulder. At the snap, the action was a middle run, with Palmer handing off to Benson in the center-guard range. Barnett immediately moved laterally to Jenkins’ inside shoulder. When Benson broke to his left to Barnett’s vacated gap, Barnett got trapped behind the big bodies and couldn’t get back to his original position. Eight yard gain. On every play shown, the down linemen held their ground and occupied blockers and each time Packer linebackers overpursued laterally and the back cut to linebackerless gaps. I’ll be very interested in watching this against Steven Jackson and the Rams.
Good job pointing out that the long punt returns were also due to vacated gap responsibilites.
Finally, the Patriots may be a better example of building through the draft than the Red Wings. I just read a great article about the Patriots’ drafts in 2000 to about 2003. They got a fantastic amount of talent at all rounds, finding numerous starters. With that depth from the draft and a few middling free agents, they won 3 Super Bowls in 4 years. That mirrored the Packers success in the early 90s when solid drafts yielded numerous starters and great depth. In the past few years, however, the Patriots have only drafted one starter and have missed on numerous players they drafted. (This might have been Bill Simmons’ article over at ESPN.com. Check it out. ) You have to build through the draft to get the depth needed to fill out special teams and to withstand injuries. The big name free agents just don’t exist anymore.
by Packer Pete on Sep 26, 2009 7:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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