New Starter: SS Derrick Martin

by Brandon on Sep 25, 2009 1:45 AM CDT in News Comment 44 comments

Packers coach Mike McCarthy hasn't officially chosen between Martin and Jarrett Bush to replace the injured Atari Bigby (ankle) and the recently released Aaron Rouse, but it's no secret Martin is the top choice. He has lined up with the starters in practice while Bush has been nursing a sore ankle that, when all is said and done, may not even be a factor in the decision...

Though Martin doesn't look the part of a strong safety, he'll probably end up playing there a lot because Nick Collins needs to be in the deep backfield as much as possible. With Collins coming off a painful chest injury, it might be better for Martin to be up doing the heavy hitting and limiting the pounding Collins takes...

With S Aaron Rouse gone, and SS Atari Bigby still out, I expected S Jarrett Bush to get the start since he's been with the team since 2007, while SS Derrick Martin has only been with them since the start of the month. However, I know there aren't a lot of Jarrett Bush fans in the audience, so this might be a welcome move. But is it the right move?

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Couldn't be worse

As a football fan, I hate that positional standpoint. I’m not familiar with Martin, but give him a shot.

by PackaCracka on Sep 25, 2009 3:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Consider this..

Bigby came in as a relative unknown himself when he beat out Marquand Manuel in training camp for 07 and he pissed off a loooot cheeseheads with a looooot of boneheaded plays himself before becoming a hard-hitting (if often injured) safety that we feel comfortable with staying in that spot. The Dallas game, among many others, come to mind.

Bush has had multiple opportunities to make an impact, and he just hasn’t. Martin comes from a team with a strong defensive background, and even one of their castoffs is likely to improve the defense we have today. If he ends up being the next Bigby- and can stay healthy unlike Atari- we’d be pretty set on the D.

by vitaminx on Sep 25, 2009 5:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Jarrett Bush

I will admit he is a terrible CB, but consider this…since becoming a S, we haven’t heard too much about him when he was on the field. Is that a bad thing? Not at all. That just goes to tell you that he’s not making big plays, but he’s also not making any mistakes, which is far more important. Nick Collins was the same way when he first started while Aaron Rouse was making all the big plays. How did that turn out? That’s one of the disadvantages of playing defense in football, you get less attention compared to offensive players. As for our S situation all together though, I’m not happy. if Martin is going to be our starter this Sunday fine, but i have little to no expectations for him. he has no experience with the team.

by Jabooty on Sep 25, 2009 7:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Funny enough

The article above mentions Rouse being out of position on the three plays that I pointed out went to the Palmer’s left side.. since Bush was filling in for Collins, that was where he was playing, yet the article mentions Rouse as being the problem on those plays. I wonder if we were watching two different games or if I’m suffering from some sort of numerical dyslexia that I confused #24 for #37.

And I’m not too concerned about Martin not having experience with the team.. he came from Baltimore, so he already has some experience with the 3-4, and likely a more complicated/experienced scheme than we run, since Baltimore has had that defense established for much longer than we have. All he needs to get down is the terminology and be in shape, everything else should come naturally for him.

by vitaminx on Sep 25, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no your right

the big play to chad 8 5 was infront of Bush not Rouse

by bizzle4 on Sep 25, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I HATED Bigby!

When he first showed up I hated the guy. Ask my wife…his name was a curse word in my house. I was shocked when he turned it around. Showed me you have to give these guys a chance to get used to the speed of the game.

by TrevorR on Sep 25, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Also funny

A couple years ago I was at my local sports bar, a couple came down from Wisconsin to watch the Dallas game (this was the one where Favre got hurt and OUR MAN RODGERS~ came in and almost pulled off the comeback) and the guy said the exact same thing!

Every time Bigby screwed up on a play, dude yelled BIIIIIIIIGBYYYYYYYYY like the cartoon dads getting mad at the kids/chipmunks/whatever. Liked it so much it stuck with me and now every time he gets hurt I yell BIIIIIIIGBYYYYYYY!!

by vitaminx on Sep 25, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

give martin shot

by packfan90' on Sep 25, 2009 5:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Depth at Safety

Where is Chuck Cecil when you need him?

Sometimes you kick...sometimes you get kicked-INXS

by FondyShotgun28 on Sep 25, 2009 6:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

He's got his own problems

To deal with in Tennessee.

by Brandon on Sep 25, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Accountability

I for one would like a little more info on why Aaron Rouse was just suddenly cut from a team that drafted him in the 3rd round and started their last game? It’s one thing to be traded and getting some value for a 3rd rounder but to be outright cut? We could have used Rouse as trade bait for the Giants after Kenny Philips was lost for the season, but NO he was just acquired for nothing! I don’t understand each year TT says we don’t sign big name free agents cuz we build through the draft and then you continue to get nothing out of your higher draft picks( Justin Harrell, B.J. Raji, Matthews, Rouse, I mean A.J. Hawk is serviceable but nothing special Ted) Ted has a plan, but I don’t see it. Porous offensive line (10 SACKS already?) Rodgers is gonna get killed back there. Grant is not producing like we thought he would, and Cedric Benson just ran for 141 YARDS against our awesome D! Wake up people TT is not the answer he is the problem!

by Tetzy on Sep 25, 2009 9:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Who says the Giants would've traded for him?

Just because a team is willing to sign Roush for minimal money doesn’t mean they’re willing to trade for them.

It’s the garbage theory. You go to a garage sale, see a POS couch for $20 and think “there’s no way I’d pay $20 for that.” Next day it’s in the garbage, you pick it up and say “eh, it’s not so bad.”

by Danwood on Sep 25, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

great analogy

You are spot on. If we were willing to have the guy they dropped (worst on their team) for Rouse i am sure they would have done the trade but thats about it. Its easy to think a team will trade but this is the more common route out there.

by TrevorR on Sep 25, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Huh?

Are you seriously lumping Raji and Matthews in with Justin Harrell? After two games? You have completely lost me, man.

by texwestern on Sep 25, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed. Having Mathews and Raji in your argument turns it into a complete joke.

I always loved that one.

by FoulJack on Sep 25, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

lets see Raji play first, and Matthews has played well so far.

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Sep 25, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right

The TT bashers lose all credibility with statements like that. Raji and Matthews are bust, huh? Just cause you hate TT doesn’t mean we have to bash good solid young players.

by FavreSucks on Sep 25, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Raji and Matthews statements are ignorant

Obviously, you can’t call Raji and Matthews busts. You have to give them an opportunity to play before you can categorize them But don’t use this uninformed comment as a pretext to claim that all criticisms of Thompson’s drafts are off base. They’re not. TT supporters are just as bad as the Favre supporters. Try to be a little more objective.

by ktenreb on Sep 25, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Objectivity

You just said the TT supporters are as bad as the Favre supporters. No chance in heck. The Favre supporters are usually, not universally, but usually obsessed with the man. I haven’t run into one person who thinks TT is God-like and can’t do any wrong like so many Favre fanatics feel about him. People can agree or disagree with TT’s methods but those who hate him are usually still hung up on the Favre saga.

I’ve mentioned before that I have mixed feelings on what TT is doing right now. I supported the way he built through the draft for the first few years but now he needs to get some impact guys like Wolf went out in did. You’re correct in saying that uninformed comments don’t dismiss criticisms of TT but the problem a lot of us encounter is those that usually hate on TT make comments like that routinely.

I’ve heard several of them say Raji, Matthews, James Jones, Hawk and Jordy Nelson are in the same boat as Harrell. We just want people to be realistic and unfortunately there are far more unrealistic TT basher/Favre lovers than just plain old Packer fans. If there gonna come out and rip TT regularly than bring up things like John Ryan not Wahle and Rivera or even Raji for goodness sake.

by FavreSucks on Sep 25, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ktenreb

Honest question here. Are you chuckcecil at the greenbaypressgazette?

You guys have a similar dislike for TT and you’ve both ripped on Republicans when football forums should have nothing to do with politics so I was just wondering if you’re the same guy.

by FavreSucks on Sep 25, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No, I'm not Chuck Cecil!

Nor am I Mark Chmura. I don’t have a dislike for TT, but unlike “FavreSucks,” I don’t Hero Worship the guy just because he ran off that prima donna former QB of ours!

TT deserves to have his moves questioned. This is his team, the one that finished 6 – 10 last year and that has played very poorly so far this year.

And I am going to say it for the last time: I don’t criticize TT for dumping Wahle and Rivera (although you can’t give TT credit, as you do, for Rivera subsequently blowing out his back on a treadmill; were he that prescient, he should have foreseen that Ingle Martin and Marviel Underwood were wasted draft picks). Instead, I criticize TT for failing to REPLACE Rivera and Wahle. He still hasn’t done so.

by ktenreb on Sep 25, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fair Enough

I don’t disagree with anything you said right there. Spitz is a good guard and center and will see how Sitton turns out but he has yet to consistently and effectively replace them, that’s true.

And I’ve said this before, the reason I put FavreSucks as my name isn’t because I worship TT, it’s because Favre went to the Vikings and it pissed me off. And his reasoning for going there is a lie. He said he just wants to win a Super Bowl, which I’m sure he does, but everyone knows his goal first and foremost is to give it to the Pack.

We have a better understanding now, however, I still had when people bring up politics on Packer boards. It’s just a pet peeve of mine.

by FavreSucks on Sep 25, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

One more thing

I said I don’t disagree with anything you said but I read your post again and I must say you’re wrong about what I think. You say I give TT credit for Rivera getting hurt. Come on now, I give him credit for realizing he was old and didn’t have much left which clearly was the case. I don’t give him credit for Rivera actually getting hurt.

Lastly you say I hero worship TT. You’re so off base there it isn’t even funny. I’m critical of him and I think he’s done a so-so job at this point. Just cause I don’t criticize TT and MM every post doesn’t mean that I agree with everything they do.

by FavreSucks on Sep 25, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rivera wasn't washed up

He was a pro bowler. But he was also a free agent and the Cowboys grossly overpaid for him. No problem with the decision to let him go, particularly because the salary cap at the time was a mess. Rivera’s subsequent offseason injury, which nobody could have foreseen, is irrelevant to the analysis, and you can’t give TT credit for foreseeing that. But the replacements were The Legend That Was Adrian Klemm? The green 7th-round draft pick Will Whittaker? Come on.

Spitz isn’t as awful as some of the others TT has tried. But look at it this way: Why doesn’t MM run the ball more? Is he stupid? Or does he think that the team just isn’t effective as a running team? I think the latter, and while I don’t think that Ryan Grant is a genuine feature back (it’s also TT’s fault, by the way, that we don’t have a genuine feature back on the roster), I think that a big part of the problem with the running game is that the interior linemen just aren’t very good.

by ktenreb on Sep 26, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I didn’t say Rivera was washed up I said he was old and didn’t have much left which obviously turned out to be the case. I remember my dad and myself thought he should’ve signed Wahle back and let Rivera walk. I still stick by that. Spitz is a good o-lineman, watch the game tape. He’s a better center than Wells (NFC scouts said this off-season that he should become the best center in this division) and he’s the Packers best guard.

In regards to Grant, there is not one single team in this league where every position group or player is good. Look at the champion Steelers o-line, it’s worse than the Packers. Every team has a weakness or two and Grant isn’t even a weakness he just isn’t a special player. For a 6th round pick (which TT got him for) Grant is a great, great value pick up.

And you’ve said before you don’t hate TT you just don’t agree with some stuff he’s done but every post you spit venom at him. It’s TT fault we don’t have a feature back. Well once again there isn’t one team that has a fully loaded roster. How many teams have a great running back and no WR’s? A bunch. The Packers have great WR’s and a solid RB. You guys pick and choose stuff to hate on. I just want to see people with consistent comments. If you’re gonna bring up Grant not being great or Harrell being injury prone than bring up the 3 WR’s he’s picked up in the draft and Woodson, Chillar and Pickett in FA. Just be fair to the guy. He isn’t a terrible GM.

by FavreSucks on Sep 26, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You did it again!

Again, you argue that Rivera was washed up and as proof you show that he got hurt after he signed with the Cowboys!

I will take exception with your claim about the WRs. Donald Driver wasn’t a TT pick. Jennings was, and he has had some good-to-great seasons, but you have to have that out of 2nd round draft picks. Beyond that, however, the receivers (I am referring to Nelson and Jones) are spare parts that can be replaced.

Grant simply isn’t a great running back. He is the starter because Brandon Jackson (one of TT’s panic picks when he was the last available decent running back left on the board after an unanticipated run on the position) can’t beat him out, but he is nothing more than serviceable. It would help, of course, if the O-line weren’t so bad. We need a legitimate stating-caliber feature back.

None of this fairly can be called “venom.” TT is the GM, and his team went 6 – 10 last year, due largely to a failure of quality defensive personnel on the roster. This year’s roster may have more talent defensively, although as of today it looks like it took a step backward offensively, especially on the O-line where there are no genuine left tackles other than Clifton. I come back to my original point: I do not Hero Worship the guy just because, Mr. “FavreSucks,” he ran off a Pro Bowl pain-in-the-@ss quarterback who obviously offended you on a personal level, probably by cutting you off in traffic. Unfortunately, it appears that you, like most Favre-Haters, will give TT carte blanche forever because he did so. Right now I see the 1980s all over again. I hope I’m wrong.

by ktenreb on Sep 26, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Never a discussion with guys like you

It is really irratating having discussions with guys like you because it isn’t even a discussion it seems more like personal attacks. I have no love for TT at all and I do dislike Favre now because he went to the Vikings. That’s all I’m gonna say there because I’ve said it multiple times but you just make crap up and call me a hero worshipper so, so be it.

The reason you can tell people like yourself actually do hate someone like TT is because you have a comment every post that is irrational and basically ridiculous about the guy. Example; TT picked Brandon Jackson as a panic pick when the unanticipated run on RB’s happened. Adrian Peterson and Marshawn Lynch went in the top of the first round before the Packers pick like they were suppose to. Not one other RB looked like a first rounder so get what you think are facts straight. Where was this run on RB’s Mr. Intelligent? I guess they should’ve took Tony Hunt or Kenny Irons right there than in the first round instead of BJ in the second.

I’m not gonna comment after this post on your thought process in regards to the Packer WR’s because it’s just nonsensical. TT drafted Jennings in the second round and everyone was like, why did we pick that guy. Turned out to be a good move. James Jones had a great rookie season for a WR and was hurt last season. Jordy Nelson had a really good rookie year. Both guys are starting their second and third years and you’re saying they’re replaceable when they make the deepest WR corp in the league. Ridiculous again. And if every mid-second round pick is suppose to turn out as good as Jennings than there would be a lot more impact Pro Bowl level players than there are.

Lastly, the reason the team was 6-10 last season was because Barnett, Jenkins, Harris, Woodson, Bigby, Grant, Clifton, Jones, and Hawk were either put on IR, missed a lot of games, or were ineffective because of injuries. It was one of those seasons but I guess you can blame injuries and lack of talent on TT when half of your team is legitimately hurt.

by FavreSucks on Sep 27, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Enough already

One small point: Cincinnati, Tennessee and St. Louis unexpectedly took running backs in the second round of the 2007 draft ahead of the Packers’ pick in that round (the first-round pick, of course, was Justin Harrell). Brandon Jackson was the only legitimate 2nd-or-3rd-round caliber back left on the board, so Thompson took him with the intention of making him the feature back, but it wasn’t his first plan, it was a reaction to the run on the running backs. It hasn’t worked out so well.

It is a sorry statement about Junius Coston to state that Jason Spitz is better, but I think I agree with you.

by ktenreb on Sep 28, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

“But look at it this way: Why doesn’t MM run the ball more? Is he stupid? Or does he think that the team just isn’t effective as a running team? "

To be honest with you, I think it’s that he is stupid. I have posted so many times about how MM always gets away from running even when we’re having success running, so I’m not going to again. Obviously we’re a pass first team but that doesn’t mean we can’t run it 20-25 times a game. Grant needs more then 16 and 14 carries. Even if he isn’t running the ball great it will still help our passing game if we run him more. We’ve been so predictable so far. Spitz is good. Colledge is good at LG too. I haven’t really watched Sitton yet, but I know Grant has had some of his longer runs directly over Sitton. Even Barbe has looked ok as a run blocker at times. We just always, always get away from the run.

TT’s problem with olineman is that he won’t ever pick up any FA olineman (let alone any FAs for the most part). He is so big on the draft, where he has actually been pretty good, but it usually takess olineman a while to make an impact. If he would bring in some veteran guys, to mentor the young guys he has drafted it would help things out big time.

by packallday555 on Sep 27, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Matthews has been impressive

He flows to the ball like a madman and looked pretty good rushing against Orlando Pace. I got my money on Clay being a better player than Cushing of Mauluga.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Sep 25, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Plus this guy was drafted by Ozzie Knewsome

He’s gotta be pretty solid, especially being an understudy to an Ed Reed, Jim Leonhard, and Dawan Landry in Baltimore.

by jobe on Sep 25, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What?

How can you consider Raji and Matthews busts, and Hawk for that matter? Matthews has looked great so far, especially when you consider he is a rookie, and was pretty limited all training camp and preseason. He has a sack, has been good rushing the passer, he is smart player (many times he has taken the outside away on pitch plays causing the RB back into the middle of the field), and has been good in coverage so far as well. Those are all the things you want a 3-4 OLB to be able to do, and he has shown ability in all of those categories so far. Raji hasn’t played yet in the regular season but in the preseason when he did get action he looked like a beast. Based off of the training cap he had and the preseason he had he definitely looks like the real deal and we will probably see this Sunday. And Hawk? He is solid guy. He has lead our team in tackles before and actually has looked very good in the new scheme. The big knock on him was his lack of coverage skills, and he covered Olsen from the Bears who is one of the better TEs in the league, and held him to I think 1 catch.

Grant actually has produced this year when he got the ball but MM always goes away from the run. I was just telling someone else this but in both our games, Grant has said 9 carries for 36 yards (which is 4.0 ypc, which is considered very good for a RB.) in the 2nd quarter, and both games MM has gone away from the run. In week 1 he only ended with 16 carries and last week he only ended with 14 carries. Actually most of TT’s 1st-2nd round guys have worked so far (Rodgers, Jennings, Jones, Nelson, Collins, Williams.) I agree he needs to bring more high profile FAs in but if you look at what he has done in the draft year by year, round by round there is really no denying that he drafts well.

by packallday555 on Sep 25, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You write too much

It’s hard to follow the mass of gray you splash. Try breaking it into paragraphs. This is a blog, not a novel!

Jones and Nelson have hardly “worked out.” They are spare parts, nothing more. Collins had his breakout season last year, but before that it wasn’t clear that he would even get a roster spot. You are right about Raji and Matthews, at least insofar as you state that they can’t be graded yet.

TT’s drafts can be analyzed in more detail. 1st and 2nd rounders generally work out for most teams, the Todd Marinoviches and Justin Harrells being more the exception than the rule. It’s the middle round picks that make great teams, and that’s where TT’s record is spotty. I screwed up yesterday in a long post (broken into readable paragraphs!) tracking every one of TT’s draft picks (flipping between screens I lost it!), and frankly it wasn’t nearly as impressive as you seem to imply. When I have more time I will try to re-do it. For now, though, consider Ingle Martin and Marviel Underwood.

by ktenreb on Sep 26, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Picking and choosing again I see

You state Ingle Martin and Marviel Underwood. I’m starting to thing you’re just a joke. Jones and Nelson are hardly working out huh? The only reason they are backups is because your friend TT drafted Greg Jennings whose one of the best WR’s in the league and the Pack already has consistent 1,000 yards a year Driver. Jones and Nelson were both really good as rookies.

You then say the Collins finally had a breakout season. Well guess what, he’s one of the better safeties in the league so who cares when it happened, it happened. Guys don’t come in their first and second years and take the league by storm. It takes people awhile, especially from small Bethune-Cookman, to get use to the speed of the game. You complain way to much.

by FavreSucks on Sep 26, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry for repeating

Let’s go with Abdul Hodge and Cory Rogers. Or Junius Coston. Or David Clowney.

Heck, let’s go with Aaron Rouse.

by ktenreb on Sep 26, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Haha awesome

But the thing is we have guys who are better at all of those spots. He also drafted Spitz who is a C. Spitz was better then Coston, so they cut him. Hodge wasn’t better then Barnett or Hawk, so they let him go. Rouse isn’t better then Bigby or Collins, so they let him go. Clowney isn’t better the Driver, Jennings, Nelson, or Jones, so he got cut. And Rogers isn’t better then Woodson, Harris, Williams, so he got cut.

The beauty of the draft is your not limited to only drafting one player at one position. So if there is a certain position you need, you can take two guys, and hope that at least 1 works out, and in most of the cases it has for TT.

by packallday555 on Sep 27, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Haha

They are “spare parts” because Jennings (who was a TT draft pick) and DD are one of the better 1-2 tandems in the league. Again when healthy, Jones had 646 yards and 6 tds in 07’. Nelson had 330+ yards and 3 tds last year. Both are young, and wr is probably the hardest spot to transition to in the pros.

Who cares when Collins broke out? He broke out, enough said. Matthews thus far has to be considered a success, but it is only 2 games in. Raji is playing today so we’ll get our first taste.

How about Spitz? Blackmon? Jolly? Jones? (I would certainly take him over Figurs, Jacoby Jones, or Laurent Robinson, who were all guys drafted before him.) Hall? Crosby? Finely?

The bottom line is TT has drafted his share of busts, but has also drafted his share of successful guys as well. Rodgers, Grant, Jennings, Jones, Nelson, Finely, Spitz, Colledge, Jolly, Poppinga, Chillar, Hawk, Collins, Bigby, Williams, are all here because of TT, and have all contributed. He had done just fine in the draft, he needs to improve in FA. It seems fairly obvious you are just a TT hater, and probably decided this when your beloved Favre was rightfully traded. You can look at pretty much any gm in the league, and come up with 10-13 draft busts in a period of 4 years.

by packallday555 on Sep 27, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thank You

I obviously couldn’t say it better myself. I’m critical of TT but all these TT haters are seriously obsessed with this man being fired and stomped on. Everyone who knows him says that TT is as honest and reasonable as they come, yet I hear TT haters saying he has a big ego. It’s just false. I can’t believe just cause people disagree with some of the moves he makes that they seriously hate the guy.

You made the perfect point though. So Rouse didn’t work out but Collins did. The haters never mention that though. Coston didn’t work out but Spitz did. Jennings is a great WR but Clowney didn’t work out. Let’s Fire Him. I thought Packers fans were reasonable and I’m starting to figure out that a large portion of every fan base, no matter who it is, will always call for the GM and coaches heads unless they win the Super Bowl that year or the year prior.

by FavreSucks on Sep 28, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Who said to fire him?

I said that the team that was in the NFC championship game two years ago slipped to 6 — 10 last year. I said that the offinsive line has been week for a long time and looked awful in the first two games this year. I said that TT’s drafts has more than a reasonable number of busts. These all are perfectly valid criticisms, but they evidence no hatred.

I get back to your name: You are so obsessed with that Awful Guy From Mississippi, you cannot accept any criticism of somebody who got away with being mean to him. Your whole Packer life revolves around somebody who isn’t even here any more. Move on dude, and become objective about the state of the team.

by ktenreb on Sep 28, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

First of all

I wasn’t even speaking to you directly when I said TT haters want TT fired. Did i say ktenreb? I was clearly talking about Packer fans in general (look at my last paragraph) and once again you throw back a personal attack on me.

You say I’m so obsessed with Favre when I never ever bring him up unless a troll comes on here or any other site talking about ARod being a girl or whatever. You bring up Favre in everyone of your attacks on me just because of my screen name when I never even talk about him. I don’t wanna talk about Favre at all and that’s why I hate all the Packer sites being overrun by former Packer fan Favre lovers.

We can’t talk real Packer football anymore. I thought my name would be funny and a lot of people think it is so who cares what you think. I never go to sleep or wake up thinking about Favre and I could care less what he does as long as the Packers are looking down on the Vikings in the standings.

You say I’m not objective and obviously there are a few guys on here that support my comments to you and not vice versa. I’m as objective as they come. You’re the one who points out one thing without regard for the other. Perfect example is your bring up Clowney and not the other 3 WR’s he’s taken that have made the Packers offense explosive.

I fully supported TT a couple of years ago because I thought he was building very nicely through the draft and he went out and got Pickett and Woodson, two huge FA signings. Since then I’ve been critical of him because there has been no major FA’s, even though Chillar is solid, and this team is a couple players away from being great yet he continues to build through the draft.

I look at every TT move objectively and I think that is pretty clear. You, ktenreb are the one who has post after post about TT making mistakes. Who care if Brohm is a bust from the 2nd round when they found a gem in Flynn in the 7th? It doesn’t matter where or what position they’re drafted as long as someone can do the job.

by FavreSucks on Sep 28, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So Finally

I never wanna hear you say I don’t accept criticism of TT again because you’re flat out wrong. It has nothing to do with Favre and if you would just stop running your mouth and read my posts you would see that I supported TT for his first few years and now I’m extremely critical of what he’s done the last couple of seasons. (Wow, even before Favre was told to go away. That’s amazing).

by FavreSucks on Sep 28, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm Not Too Concerned

Because of what the Ravens coaches said about this kid. They all said he’s a sure tackler and he’s always assignment sure. That’s what we need until Bigby gets back.

I would take Martin not making any mistakes but at the same token not being an impact player over Rouse having a couple impact plays but at the same token giving up two touchdowns. I think Martin will do just fine. If we don’t hear his name on Sunday then he had a good game in my book.

by FavreSucks on Sep 25, 2009 1:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Collins is not 100%, so they don't want him near the line...

because they don’t want him taking on any ball carriers on Sunday, if they can help it. So they need at least one safety that has the ability to play near the line, or else it limits their calls. Between Martin, Bush, and Giordano, Darren Perry must think Martin is the best choice for that role. Darren Perry is an excellent coach, and knows a thing or two about playing safety. He had good things to say about Martin when he was signed, so I think he’ll be just fine.

Based on size, you’d think Bush would be a more physical player, but he’s limited to coverage roles as a safety.

by RobertArthur on Sep 25, 2009 4:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs