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Why Favre Did It

There's no getting around it. As soon as the clock hit zero on the Monday night game between Dallas and Carolina, everyone in the NFL turned their attention to this week's showdown between Green Bay and Minnesota. Some of us have already been looking forward to this matchup, including several members of this site.

Is it because the two teams are (3-0) and (2-1)?  Is it because Adrian Peterson, Greg Jennings, Jared Allen, or Charles Woodson gets another chance to shine on national television? Is it because the result of this game will help shape the outcome of what may turn out to be the toughest division in the NFL?

Of course not. It's all about Brett Favre. He's squaring off against the franchise that took a chance on him in 1992, his former coaches, his former teammates, Ted Thompson, and the entirety of Packer Nation. To quote Ron Burgundy, it's "kind of a big deal."

For every fan rooting for or against Favre on October 5th, there is a theory as to why Brett flirted with retirement in 2005, 2006, and 2007, finally decided to retire, discussed unretirement, stayed retired, then unretired, then played for the Jets, then retired, then come thisclose to unretirement, then stay retired, and finally, unretired.

Some say it's because he wants a shot at another championship, and Minnesota is the team best-equipped to get him there. Others say it's because he's really not content to stay on the farm in Mississippi; he needs to play to keep himself occupied. Others still claim that the reason is revenge; revenge against Ted Thompson, revenge against Mike McCarthy, revenge against Aaron Rodgers, and revenge against the fan base that turned on him. A small (but vocal) minority cling to the notion that Favre "just loves the game so much" that he can't bring himself to walk away.

Each of these theories has some truth to it. Yes, Favre loves the game. Yes, Minnesota is a strong team that needed a quarterback. Yes, he still gets bored on the farm when he knows he could still play. And yes, he wants to stick it to the Green Bay Packers for denying him what he wanted: his old job back.

I subscribe to a different theory, and it takes us back to Christmas of 2003. Remember this?

 

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The 41-7 win on Monday, December 23rd, 2003 was beyond any description I am able to conjure up. We've all heard the praises, platitudes, and adulations from all corners of the sports and mainstream media. It was defining for Favre as a football player, Favre as a legend, Favre as a media figure, but most importantly, Favre as a person.

He just loves the game so damn much. His consecutive start streak, which is now the longest for any position player ever, is proof that injury, nor personal tragedy, nor poor performances will keep him from doing what he loves. But where do you think he got that love of football from? 

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For those of you unsure of the contents of this photo, it is indeed Irvin Favre and his young son Brett on December 25th, 1970, in their home in Kiln, Mississippi. Brett was only 14 months old.  His father got him to start playing and, in my opinion, is keeping him playing.  This is where it all starts.

* * *

Bonita and Irvin Favre (more commonly known as Irv) raised Brett and his three siblings in the bayou of southern Mississippi, where the boys had free reign to hunt, fish, and play sports under the watchful eyes of their parents. Once they got older, it was clear that Brett was a special athlete, even compared to his brothers. However, he enjoyed the physical side of football, and started out playing linebacker and safety.

One of the first lessons Brett learned from his father was how to overcome injury. Namely, the lesson was to barely even acknowledge you're hurt.

"Brett thinks when you get hurt, put some ice on it, you'll be all right. That was Irv's patented move right there. Broken leg? Put some ice on it, you'll be all right. Get back out there."

- Clark Henegen, childhood friend

This lesson is still prevalent in today's NFL, especially with the recently-fined New York Jets, who failed to mention Favre on their injury reports in 2008 when he had a torn bicep. Favre has gone on the record as saying that the fines were "unfair", but acknowledges that he should have been on the injury report. But isn't a big part of Favre's Iron Man persona overcoming injury?

Of course, the obvious example of this occurred during a 2004 game against the New York Giants. William Joseph, a 6'5", 315 defensive tackle, came through on a pass play and crushed Favre to the ground, resulting in a concussion. Three plays later, on fourth down and without consulting the team doctors, Favre came back into the game, waved off the punt unit, and threw a 28-yard touchdown pass to Javon Walker. Favre did not return after that series.

Once he got to high school, Irv (the head coach) put him at quarterback, following the footsteps of his older brother Scott. This drew ire and claims of nepotism from other parents, but Irv's reasons were far simpler: the coach's son was the most dependable to show up to practice.

"Irvin got flak about that. People said, 'He's the head coach. He's just making his kids the quarterbacks.' He'd talk to me about it and say, 'You know, the reason I do this is because I know they're going to be at practice. They ain't got no choice.' There was a lot of logic to that."

- Rocky Gaudin, Hancock North Central High School assistant coach

While he manned the offense from under center, Brett wasn't able to show off the arm that would one day make him famous. Irv stayed true to Bear Bryant's "Wishbone" offense, which didn't call for passes unless absolutely necessary. As a result, Brett rarely passed more than a handful of times in any given game.

But he was always learning from his coach. He was always learning from his father.

* * *

Much has been made of Brett's erratic and sometimes irresponsible behavior between graduating high school in 1986 and being traded to the Packers in 1992. There was the Tulane game during his freshman year, where Favre began the day with a wicked hangover, vomiting numerous times during pre-game warm-ups. He and his roommate thought they would be red-shirting their freshman year, so made the most of it the night before the third game of the season. In a surprise move, the coaching staff called on Favre to come into the game after halftime.

"All five offensive linemen were fifth-year seniors and now you've got this young idiot quarterback," Ryals said. "He was hung over. Sick. They all knew he got drunk the night before."

- Chris Ryals, roommate at Southern Miss

Nevertheless, the one-time seventh-string quarterback for Southern Mississippi started the second half and threw two touchdowns in a come-from-behind victory. He started every game he was available for afterwards.

There was the car accident before Favre's senior year. On July 14th, 1990, Brett lost control of his car, which flipped three times and crashed into a tree. Favre suffered a concussion, cracked vertebrae, numerous lacerations, and three weeks later needed 30 inches of his small intestine removed. Despite these near-fatal injuries, Favre was able to continue playing football and started against ranked Alabama, who Southern Miss upset for the victory.

"You can call it a miracle or a legend or whatever you want to, I just know that on that day, Brett Favre was larger than life."

- Gene Stallings, Alabama head coach

There was the 1991 NFL Draft, where Favre fell out of the first round and was selected by the Atlanta Falcons at the 33rd overall selection. Favre showed immense promise and possessed incredible talent, but that was offset by his rebellion against Jerry Glanville's clubhouse policies.

According to an Atlanta Journal-Constitution story, Glanville had four rules: 1) Be on time. 2) Prepare all week to play. 3) Spill your guts on the field. 4) Only accept victory.

"If he'd [Favre] have got to 3 and 4, he'd have been fine," Glanville once told the paper. "But you had to get past 1 and 2."

Favre's behavior was immature and unprofessional. He stayed out late, he showed up late and fell asleep in meetings. As he [Favre] once said, "I'm sure I didn't help my cause by trying to drink up Atlanta."

Tom Silverstein, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

Then, of course, was the 1992 trade from Atlanta to Green Bay, Favre's rise to stardom, and the eventual revelation of Favre's dependence upon Vicodin, a powerful painkiller, to cope with his nagging injuries.  Combined with his drinking habits, Favre's personal life was a mess.  It took a seizure and not one, but two ultimatums between 1996 and 1999 from his wife Deanna for him to get his life together. 

With Deanna standing by his side in May of 1996, Favre told the world he had been playing MVP-caliber football while addicted to painkillers, and checked himself into a rehabilitation clinic.

Deanna had also issued an ultimatum: Clean up, or she was gone.

And while Favre beat the Vicodin addiction, he was drinking heavily.  Once again, his wife Deanna, pregnant with their second child, issued another ultimatum to Favre in 1999 after having called a divorce attorney: Quit drinking, or she was gone.

- Lori Nickel, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

Favre's success against these personal demons are admirable no matter what team you support.  He stood to lose everything he had built up, his career, his livelihood, his relationships, and even his life, and he responded by scaling all obstacles.  That fortitude is a part of what makes Favre the national figure he is today.

* * *

But where was Irv throughout these troubling episodes?  Why would the father who instilled the toughness, the courage, and the love of the sport into his son sit idly by while Brett flirted with disaster time and time again? 

As it turns out, Irv was always watching from afar.  He constantly followed everything Brett did, both good and bad.  And whenever things took a turn for the worse, Irv was there to give support of the less forgiving variety.

"Oh, they fussed and feuded at times, like all sons and fathers do.  Irv, who watched Brett battle an addiction to painkillers, often took the tough-love approach...The old coach would come out in Irvin, and he would say some stuff that would make Brett say, 'Dad, this isn't high school anymore.'"

-Jon Saraceno, USA Today

That was the style of fatherhood that Irv chose.  He guided his sons closely until they were old enough, and then let them live their own lives and make their own mistakes.  He didn't see the value in hovering or constant check-ups; he wanted his boys to learn the hard way so that they remembered the lessons they learned. 

But when things got to be too much, Irv was there.  Like any father, he made himself available to make sure that everything got settled down and back to normal.  When Favre got drunk with a college buddy the night before a big game, Irv wasn't there, because he didn't need to be.  When Favre was convulsing on a hospital bed as his daughter watched in horror, Irv was one of the first ones to help Brett back up.

And after Favre had turned his life around, Irv was always there as Brett's most trusted advisor.  Sure, the lines between the father-son and coach-player dynamics got blurred, and there were more than a few arguments.  But Irv was always around to give Brett the perspective and wisdom he needed to make the right choice.

* * *

Then Irv had his accident, and Favre had his Oakland game.  In spite of his tremendous loss, Favre came through for the Packers in the game he and his father loved so much.  But he was in his mid-30's and nearing the threshold where NFL players lose their skills to age.  Practice was becoming more of a chore each day.  His wife and daughters wanted him around more.  The family was set financially.  What was keeping him in the league?

Part of it was his love for the game.  Another part was his desire to go out like Elway did: on top of his teammates' shoulders with the Lombardi Trophy in his grip.  But there was a lot of conflict between his desires and his doubts.  Sure, he wanted to keep playing, but was that more important than everything else around him?

One of Favre's defining characteristics is his childlike approach to the game.  Whether he's tackling a teammate to the ground after a score, trick-or-treating at his coach's house, or throwing snowballs during a blizzard, his youthful exuberance has endeared him to thousands of people across the country.

But the notion that "he's just a kid out there" reaches further than just for three hours on an autumn Sunday.  This big kid lost his role model, confidant, and most avid supporter nearly thirty-three years to the day after receiving the best Christmas present he'd ever gotten: a tiny helmet and an unmarked jersey.  He decided to play against Oakland on that Monday night as a tribute to his father.  He said that Irv would have wanted him to play.

"I knew that my dad would have wanted me to play. I love him so much and I love this game. It's meant a great deal to me, to my dad, to my family, and I didn't expect this kind of performance. But I know he was watching tonight."

- Brett Favre, 12/23/03

Now, I have never lost a parent, so I have no idea what it feels like.  But I do know that most children go to their mother or father for advice they're faced with a tough choice.  I have, and still do.  Brett lost that opportunity far sooner than anyone expected, and when he seriously contemplated retirement for the first time in 2005, he couldn't consult his most trusted advisor.

The last piece of advice he took from his father is the same motivation he used on December 23rd, 2003.  I think that the idea that "Dad would've wanted me to play" stuck with him for far longer than just one Monday Night Football game.  No matter how long he thought about it or how many people he consulted, one final question helped shape his football-related decisions: What would Irv want him to do?

I wouldn't go so far to say that this one question dominated his decision-making process in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, or 2009.  But I find it hard to believe that Favre didn't want to play for Big Irv.  Other athletes have played and succeeded after losing their fathers.  Michael Jordan did, and won three championships.  Tiger Woods did, and won the 2006 Open.  Favre is still looking for his next title, one he can dedicate to Dad.

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So why did Favre do it?  Why did he leave Green Bay for New York, then New York for Minnesota, and endure the aftermath that follows him to this day?  There's a ton of reasons why, and I don't know which one is right.  But what I do know is this: Favre played that Monday Night game for his father.  Who's to say he kept coming back to the NFL for any other reason?

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I've never doubted his desire to play

Thanks for the piece, it was a well written bio of Favre. I’m not a Favre hater, but I was glad to see Green Bay let him go because he was becoming more of a liability than an asset with his play. I’ve never doubted that he loves to play football, and I can not fault him for playing for whoever will take him. I just dislike the method in which he’s chosen to do all of this, with his retirements – especially with what he did to the Jets (Oh, I’m retiring, can you release me, I promise I’m retired… and here we are). When NFL Owners and Coaches weasel around the system people cry bloody murder, but when Favre does it it’s ok because he “just wants to play.” Hypocrisy at its finest.

It also doesn’t mean that I now like the Vikings, or that I hope he does well and takes the Vikings to the Superbowl. He’s not my QB anymore. As mentioned in the other Favre thread, I’ll tip my cap when he does something real well (like the last TD Sunday), but it’s nothing more than that now, no more than if Brees goes off for 6 TDs or the Lions end the longest streak in the NFL.

by Danwood on Sep 29, 2009 6:17 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wells put,

though he makes it real hard for me not to cheer for him with games like he had Sunday.

Green and Gold / Black, and White

by OznCoop on Sep 29, 2009 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what he did to the Jets (Oh, I’m retiring, can you release me, I promise I’m retired… and here we are)

He promised to stay retired? He asked for them to release him rather than trade him? There was no agreement between Favre and the owner and/or GM concerning the situation?

You sure assume a lot. Is doing that being a weasel or a hypocrite? How about using poison pills? I’m sure the TT lovers will defend that. It stinks like his refusal to answer questions – he’s a coward.

by ol Pete on Sep 29, 2009 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, let me read the story for you:

“Favre, who spent one disappointing season with New York, had requested the move several weeks ago through his agent, Bus Cook, but insisted he has no plans to come out of retirement for a 19th season.”

That line itself supports my statement of him asking for his release and saying that he was staying retired.

by Danwood on Sep 29, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, let me help you
Jets (Oh, I’m retiring, can you release me, I promise I’m retired

You’re assuming an enormous amount about the content, nature and timing of conversations for which you have no knowledge and isn’t supported by the statements in that story.

Your revised your statement above as well.

by ol Pete on Sep 29, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok.

1. I have not changed my statement at all.

2. I stand by my summary based on the article I posted. Favre retired, asked for his release, and maintained that he was staying retired. Which is what I said.

Since you seem to have insight to the contrary, I’d love for you to spill it.

by Danwood on Sep 29, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's dispense with the pissing contest, gentlemen

Not the point of this article.

"Brandon Jennings needs a nickname before he gives himself one. Oh wait, Young Money, he already did."

by Mitchell_M on Sep 29, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As an impartial observer...

It is so strange how people take football decisions so personally. With the yearly off-season distractions and diversions, it was obvious that Favre’s time in GB had to end.
Lombardi, in his day, would have run Favre out of town a year or two prior.
Getting a draft-pick in trade for his services was the right thing to do. Making sure he did not fill the one major flaw and hole in the vikings team was the right thing to do.
Most of us with an objective perspective are not silly enough to try to fault Thompson for the Favre circus-brigade. Thompson has made plenty of mistakes as a GM, but he is a very honorable man. He has never said a disrespectful word about anyone, including Mr. Favre. It is just not in his nature.
One more thing, why do you think Mr. Thompson has an obligation to answer professional (or personal) questions to anyone? As someone who studies the psychology and communication of expression, you have no idea how much secondary personal, professional, and private information people reveal to the world with their uncontrollable desire to make noise with their mouths and body’s.
Intelligent, confident, and successful people are not afraid to keep things quiet and private.

by docg on Sep 29, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Get over yourself man

You need to realize that just because people don’t side completely with Favre doesn’t mean they have a vendetta and are bias. If you haven’t realized yet, most NFL fans who could care less about the NFC North and the Packers and Vikings think that Favre is the main cause of all of this, not saying I agree with that assessment or not.

Just because people don’t look up to him like he’s a God like a lot of you Favre fans do, doesn’t make them stupid. I can’t believe how obesessed some of you guys are and how much you defend the man. Nobody in here is calling for Favre to be lynched but you guys take everything way too seriously. You guys aren’t even family members or anything and you defend the man like he’s your little brother. Just calm down, it’s ok for people not to agree with you as long as they aren’t being jerks about it.

by GGGamer on Sep 29, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not True

“especially with what he did to the Jets (Oh, I’m retiring, can you release me, I promise I’m retired… and here we are)”

Favre did request the release from the Jets. But he also told him that he would not come back to any team in the AFC, and said that the only team he would consider would be playing for the Vikings or stay retired. The Jets decided to not strangle hold a future HOF’er like the Packers Ted Thompson decided to do, so they released him based on their verbal understanding.

by dsludo on Sep 29, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

danwood how do you know???

unless you have extra special powers, how the hell could you possibly know what was said between Brett and GB, or Brett and NY. the truth is no one from here was in any of those discussions and we all know what that means. You poor fools are just spreading rumors or riding an uncontrolled imagination. Man this is sad. Just watch the guy and enjoy the game.

How's it taste THOMPSON YOU MORON

by 4 where-ever on Sep 29, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly how I feel.

I hold no ill will towards Favre, he’s a grown man and can do whatever he wants with his career even if it means playing till he’s 55, I just hope whenever he does retire, he’s able to walk off the field himself (Football is a rough game for guys in their mid 20’s, I can’t imagine how a near 40 guy can do it). I’m fine with the Packers decision to go with Rodgers and let Brett go. But like Danwood said, I don’t like the Vikings and I won’t root for Favre as long as he plays for them.

That was a well written article but I disagree on him wanting a title. In 2007, he was one bad play away from getting a shot at that title, so one would think that if he still wanted that title why not return for one more year with a team talented enough to get him there? People say Minnesota is his best chance and that may be true as they do have a strong defense and possibly the best player in the league AP but despite that, they missed the playoffs in 07 and lost in the first round at home in 2008. Now could this be due to a lack of a QB? Maybe, but teams have gone farther with lesser QBs.

The real reason I think Favre bolted was because of Thompson. Right from the get go, Thompson established that unlike every GM between him and Ron Wolf, he wasn’t just going to cater to Favre. It started when he let go of Rivera, Wahle, and Sharper. Then when Sherman got canned, Favre was lobbying for his buddy Steve Marriucci, but McCarthy was hired. Then came the drafting of Aaron Rodgers in the first round, making Favre feel like he was on the verge of being pushed out. Then he lobbied for Moss twice and nothing happened. Let’s not all forget Favre demanded a trade but quickly retracted that.

Anyways, I don’t buy Favre’s whole “Shucks, I’m jus’ a good ol’ southern boy who doesn’t know anything other than tossing a pigskin” act. The last two years of Favre drama have all been for what is about to take place six days from now, getting a shot at the Packers and the GM who dared not to cater to the almighty Favre.

by Charlie Kelly on Sep 29, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

finally decided to retire, discussed unretirement, stayed retired, then unretired, then played for the Jets,

The support for this version of the story extends out from the PR department of the Packers. It was propagated by people who aren’t shy in their dislike Favre like Greg Bedard who openly admitted that he was taking the word of the Packers and had no evidence otherwise. Jason Wilde, who was recently “retired” by his employer, is another. Anyone who has listened to him for an extended period of time knows of his hatred of Favre and schoolgirl like love of Rodgers.

He was the one who supported the version of the story that included the rental of a plane to go to Mississippi. I’ve seen the invoice he angrily declared on the radio. It turned out the plane had been rented for something else and the story changed to they were going to stop along the way.

He was also the guy who ran a story after the fable about Favre “coaching” the Lions on how to beat the Packers and “giving” them the playbook. That story declared that he had anonymous sources that verified that “it” was true. He never defined the “it” or gave any indication who those sources were. The story was laughed at repeatedly by actual players in the NFL. It was laughed at as conceptually impossible. Like Wilde, the local radio here declared victory in the Favre hunt over and over and over. It was true! And what was the truth? Favre returned a call to Millen.

The story in the quote above is repeated a lot. When asked directly about it both TT and MM are evasive and refuse to answer.

What exactly is the truth? I don’t think you’re going to get it from glorified PR hacks like Bedard and Wilde.

by ol Pete on Sep 29, 2009 8:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

you can spin it any way you want

but the waffling on Favre’s end happened.

This post isn’t just another rehashing of the story; it’s giving an alternative motive for WHY Favre chose what he chose.

"Brandon Jennings needs a nickname before he gives himself one. Oh wait, Young Money, he already did."

by Mitchell_M on Sep 29, 2009 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You post information that is the very definition of spin

and you don’t want to be called on it – okay.

by ol Pete on Sep 29, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Easy Big Fella,

lets keep this…sophisticated.

Green and Gold / Black, and White

by OznCoop on Sep 29, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

there’s no way that ol pete can keep it sophisticated. just like good ole boy brett

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Sep 30, 2009 7:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you think that my information is skewed,

feel free to call me out on it.

But you’re completely missing the main idea of the article, to the point where I think you didn’t read it; you saw a Favre article and decided to respond to whatever commenters said bad about the guy.

Prove me wrong.

"Brandon Jennings needs a nickname before he gives himself one. Oh wait, Young Money, he already did."

by Mitchell_M on Sep 29, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I read it

Some of it breaks new ground – Favre wants revenge on the fan base, McCarthy, and Rodgers. I wonder where it will end.

Pointing out inaccuracies doesn’t really support your accusation about me deciding to respond to bad about the guy.

by ol Pete on Sep 29, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

unless you're going to say anything about the theory I outlined,

namely the whole using-football-as-an-extended-eulogy-to-his-father thing, you’re not doing anything different than you’ve done in the past: defend Favre, bash the organization, and get into arguments with people who badmouth Favre.

And that as okay…back in 2008. We’re so far past the he-said, she-said of 2007 that it shouldn’t be a part of the discussion anymore.

"Brandon Jennings needs a nickname before he gives himself one. Oh wait, Young Money, he already did."

by Mitchell_M on Sep 29, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hysteria

Nevermind my username because it’s just a joke and I’ve tried several times to change it but SB Nation hasn’t helped me out after multiple emails.

It is seriously a dead end to argue with Favre fans. Seriously. I don’t want to be rude to anyone right now, but that is the truth. They hold the man in a very high light and nothing anyone can say and nothing Favre can or will do, will affect how they feel about the man.

Everyone who knows the whole story or fans of other teams who don’t even care can look at this thing unbiasedly and I think we know where they all stand. Arguing with a Favre fan is a lose lose situation. They will defend him to death so we just need to let it go, which is why I’ve been trying to change my username for a while with no luck from SB Nation.

by FavreSucks on Sep 29, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you can't change your name

youll have to get a new one

On that fly to right-center
I kinda expected JD to plow into Rios with an ATV.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
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by blackoutsox on Sep 29, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you don't want to argue with a Favre fan

because its a ’lose lose" situation, why did you choose that in-your-face name? You are itching to fight because you hate Brett Favre. Just admit it and move on.

Personally, I really dont care any more about why Thompson behaved the way he did, or whether Favre was a prima donna who got a deserved comeuppance, or whether Favre was dumb enough to try to sell the Packers’ playbook to the Lions, or any of that other nonsense from last summer. I am focused on the here and now. And note that my name is not provocative.

by ktenreb on Sep 30, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shut Up Already Man!

You act like you’re this completely unbiased fan, on here for the sole purpose of talking legitimate Packer football, but you’re not.

Not one person has made a fuss about FS’s name except you and you repeatedly comment on all of his posts. I just replied to another one of your posts that FS’s is my actual friend just so you know where I’m coming from. He’s a good dude and you just won’t leave him alone.

No one cares about his screen name except you, so what’s the fascination? Seriously, what’s the fascination? You say his screen name causes fights but YOU are the only person who has a problem with it. I seriously would like to know why you find the need to comment about his username on every single one of his posts? It makes no sense. You sound like a 15 year old who is in love with Favre.

by GGGamer on Sep 30, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's no act

I really don’t care any more about the drama of the summer of 2007, GGGarner. Your friend, however, obviously does. Even had he not made it so obvious with a Really Stupid Name, his posts make it clear tha the doesn’t like Brett Favre.

Isn’t there a game this week? Against the Vikings, I think? Who do they have on their team this year? Let’s talk about that.

by ktenreb on Oct 1, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: What exactly is the truth? I don’t think you’re going to get it from glorified PR hacks like Bedard and Wilde.

You can think that but Favre’s untruths are part of his legacy now. They’re on tape and on record.

Bottom line is this: if you’re a Packer fan, anyone wearing purple on Sundays and Monday nights is the enemy. If you’re rooting for a Viking, you’re against the Pack. And that’s what’s separated Packer fans from the only-when-they-win pretenders. It’s about loving your team, not about loving one guy.

As for this tired, repeatedly disproven line that Favre “just loves the game”, I say bullsh**. No one loves the game as much as he claims but leaves the threat of retiring on the table year after year and then actually retires three times while they can still play well. There are piles and piles and piles of guys that would Never have quit if they were still able to perform at an NFL quality level. THOSE are the guys that truly love the game. The guys that only love themselves do what Favre has done. The TO and Deon Sanders and Bill Romanowski types that sell out to get camera time. Not the Bart Starr, Fran Tarkenton, William Henderson, Gilbert Brown, Leroy Butler types. Those guys – that refused to quit til they couldn’t bring it anymore – are the true lovers of the game. The guys that spent their Whole careers earning the title of Hero to millions. I think that’s a big part of why Tark, Hendo, Gilbert and Leroy so dislike Favre now. He tricked them into thinking he was something much, much better than what he actually is: just another monkey dancing for the camera and his own personal glory. Please Peyton, don’t break my records! That’s really all I care about! It’s about ME, ME, ME! …..hey, where’d that cameraman go!?! Get back here! I’m Rick James b***h! I mean, I’m Brett Favre b***h!

by BSGorilla on Oct 2, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

done with it...

I am SO over the Favre drama. I wish the message boards and media could be too. Its just rehashing the same crap, same arguments over and over!!!

by TrevorR on Sep 29, 2009 8:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wow nice article

yes i know i am on a packers site but i dont have much to do since my computer is doing my work and i cant do much while it works…but i am not a troll or here to make any comments about anything bears/pack related.
that was a great read on farve. i hope the pack can smoke them this week and hold ap like you guys held forte in week 1. good luck

Bring back our honey bears...sick and tired of hearing about the dallas cowboy cheerleaders and the bars they go work at when they quit. cold weather + cheerleaders in skimpy outfits = lots of fun

by tomh115 on Sep 29, 2009 8:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

you're allowed to comment on whatever site you want, man

as long as you’re not trolling, which you clearly aren’t. Feel free to stop by whenever.

"Brandon Jennings needs a nickname before he gives himself one. Oh wait, Young Money, he already did."

by Mitchell_M on Sep 29, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Condolences

I’m sorry for your loss. I haven’t lost my father yet, but have been trying to slowly mentally prepare myself for when I do. His advice and example have shaped my life, which is part of what made this post meaningful for me, as well as your comment.

I hope Favre does enough this season (whatever that may mean) to believe that he’s made his father proud.

by peterplaysbass on Sep 29, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just a thought...

If Favre gets a win, he will be the only QB in history to beat all 32 NFL teams?

by soliman on Sep 29, 2009 9:17 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yep

"Brandon Jennings needs a nickname before he gives himself one. Oh wait, Young Money, he already did."

by Mitchell_M on Sep 29, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

He beat the Packers dozens of times. Especially in the big games.

by BSGorilla on Oct 2, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That wasn't supposed to be a question mark...

…at the end of that sentence. I wish we could edit our comments…

by soliman on Sep 29, 2009 9:19 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

me too

"Brandon Jennings needs a nickname before he gives himself one. Oh wait, Young Money, he already did."

by Mitchell_M on Sep 29, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody will no what Favre's true reason for unretiring again, except Favre.

I guess the some of the questions could be answered after Monday’s game. If the Vikings win, and he then retires, we’ll know it was either the “stick it” theory or the “32 teams” theory are going to take the lead of reasons. If the Vikings win, and he keeps playing, then maybe the “love of the game” theory or the “leaving with another ring” theory take the lead. If the Packers win and Favre runs off the field, without going near any of the Packer players, the “stick it” theory, will probably take the lead. If the Packers win and he goes over to shake hands with the Packers, especially, McCarthy, then the “love of the game” therory will take the lead.
There has been too much misinformation from both sides. After the game, win or lose, the actions of Favre will be the basis of what theories were dead wrong and what theories hold weight. Maybe it all might keep going till November 1st.
We’ll just have to wait and see.
This is just my opinion on the matter.

by #12-tony on Sep 29, 2009 9:51 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Great story.

And a very positive take on the Brett situation.

I can see it’s still a sore spot for many. Some day… we may know the answer.

Looking forward to a great game on Monday. And another NFL record in his pocket.

I believe the 'push off' cost us 'our' SuperBowl...
I believe you 'go for the win'... instead of 'taking a knee'...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Sep 29, 2009 10:06 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope it's a great game too.

But I’m gonna hold off on wishing for the record.

"Brandon Jennings needs a nickname before he gives himself one. Oh wait, Young Money, he already did."

by Mitchell_M on Sep 29, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

great article,

mostly I enjoyed all the references to big Irv. And I too believe that he is a big factor in Brett’s inability to retire. And don’t get me wrong here, I don’t believe in child abuse, but sometimes a good swift kick in the @$$ is what it takes. Jackie Gleason said it best in smokey and the bandit " that’s what we call an attention getter" it sure beats the alternative and all to common absentee father that so many younger player in the league seem to still be suffering from.
can not wait till Monday night ,hopefully the game lives up to all the hype.

take a kid fishing, it's good for the soul. not only yours, but the child's as well !

by whanabarf on Sep 29, 2009 10:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Really nice post

This was touching. Thank you for the history.

I’m a Vikings fan who has had respect for Favre for many years. Sure, I wished crushing defeat upon him and the Packers anytime they played Minnesota, but I smiled when they beat the Broncos in the Superbowl and I cheered during the MNF game after his father died.

It’s interesting to see the perspective of Packers fans on this whole thing, and the struggle between liking the player and the team even while those two didn’t like each other. It’s a tricky, messy business. I don’t blame the Packers for moving forward with Rodgers after Favre’s retirement (actually, their decision to stay the course after Favre changed his mind), and I also don’t blame Favre for feeling emotional and nostalgic about the good ol’ days, and upset he couldn’t get them back. It may be a little immature, sure, but I can resonate with that particular brand of immaturity. It’s tough to let those things go.

The Jets and the Vikings are post-Irvin teams. The Packers hold fonder memories, and numerous more, but when that door closed on him he suddenly realized what he had given up.

I don’t know who’s more at fault, but I think it’s pretty pointless to continue to get all upset about it. I’m hoping for a dramatic, entertaining football game on Monday. I want both teams to play well so neither has any excuses about the outcome. And, of course, I’ll still be rooting for Favre to throw the ball to Vikings, just like I always have!

by peterplaysbass on Sep 29, 2009 10:22 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Favredom

FYI They beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl and lost to the Broncos.

Its nice to see a Viking fan who gets it by understanding what Favre is. I hope he does play well for you for 14 games but lets you down against the Packers. Hopefully in 5 years the pain will be lessened and the healing can begin.

by Dogg Pound on Sep 29, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're right

my mistake. I frowned when the Broncos won, but smiled when the Patriots lost. I remember now.

And the whole I-hope-Favre-does-well-for-14-games thing is where I was at a few years ago. Cheers to quality, fun football!

by peterplaysbass on Sep 29, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice piece of work.

Very nice, well thought out, researched piece of literature you got there. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Visit:
http://www.vikingvigil.com

Skol Vikings!
Woot Woot!

by Manimal on Sep 29, 2009 11:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Great writing

This is one of the best pieces I have ever seen written on any of the SB Nation blogs.

Thank you for sharing your talent with us.

‘And the wild things roared their terrible roars and gnashed their terrible teeth and rolled their terrible eyes and showed their terrible claws’.

by SippyCup on Sep 29, 2009 11:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I concur

It’s nice to see, a totally fresh perspective. Great post.

by dsludo on Sep 29, 2009 11:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice Post

  I am as you can see from my handle a Vikings fan, have been since a teenager in ’69….Unfortunately most of that time was “afar” while in the military for 25 years, and living overseas since retirement/second life….

  While traveling/deployed etc. though I have kept up not only with the Vikings but the games and rivalry over the years of all teams in the NFC North. It has been something I have always treasured, even the Lions/Bears/Green Bay against any of the others in the division was something I wanted to watch/track…

  I state the obvious in saying that Favre was the spark that (like it or not in my case for many years) provided that coveted trophy for GB that we Vikings fans have been waiting for for so many years (and may get this year?). This brief bio provides a good overview for me and a deeper understanding of what we have now, why he is where he is now, and how he got there…I appreciate this insight from your perspective…

  A final comment for Favre: That he is now playing for MN and doing a good/great job is yet one more kudo for him, no matter he is coming from NYJ, GB or where-ever….I say we all enjoy whatever he may yet have to show us (and I know Packer fans hope is not much!)…and yes, I do hope that we win against the Pack on Monday…

  Also…as an aside from the main point of this post (Favre) I do remember that GB is also a part of NFC North Division, and as a die-hard Mid-West dude, if from afar, I also hope that as a Division we are once again feared as we were in the Black and Blue days (dating myself, I know)…

  Again thanks for this post, it has provided a lot of flesh for the bones of what I knew of the Favre story…for too many years he was the enemy, the one to be feared on any particular Sunday…Now he is one of us, and on a larger scale he always has been! SKOL!

I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...

by vikingfanfrom afar on Sep 29, 2009 11:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

brother/child/father

I appreciate Viking fans reading this and gaining insight into Favre.

But in the end, Vikings will never appreciate/love Favre like GB fans. It is NOT possible. He has been a brother/child/father to our community.

I am not saying you don’t have the capacity to do so, it’s just that 17 years is a long relationship. The victories, the losses, the rehab, the cancer, the death of a father, the death of a brother in law, etc. We have been with Favre through the major moments of his life.

You will see some great moments (already have), but you will not love him like we do (even the most irate GB fan loves Favre, they are just really really hurt right now).

by Acme on Sep 29, 2009 11:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Appeciate your comment

Agree that what he did/had/wasin GB is a special thing for all Packer fans…like it or not (Packer fans)t, he does hold that spot…

Let’s hope that time heals any wounds that may be lingering, and that what he did while there will not overshadow what he does while wearing our venerable purple uniform…

Truthfully I am taking a longer term perspective, no matter how it turns out…If he does indeed take us (Vikings) to the “promised land” it takes nothing away from his time in the Packer’s…

It just will add to his legend and his story, and all Americans love a good story, especially when it is a true life story…

SKOL!

I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...

by vikingfanfrom afar on Sep 29, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Favre Haiku

In the beginning
It’s all good…beautiful bride…
But honeymoon ends
http://FavreHaiku.com (Ask the Jets)

Clark Osborn - PackerHaiku.com | FavreHaiku.com | BadgerHaiku.com

by PackerHaiku on Sep 29, 2009 12:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just an outstanding piece

And it give me a perspective that I didn’t have before I clicked on the site. Very emotional. And, what’s best about it, is it transcends the black and white perspectives we’ve tried to place Favre in adds the grayness of life we often forget about in sports.

battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm

by Michael M on Sep 29, 2009 2:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This Should Have Relevance

A couple of Favres former teammates and coaches said that if Irv was still alive that they don’t think Favre would be waffling like he has the last five years because Big Irv wouldn’t let him. I think someone even asked Favre that directly and he said that they are probably right. So I don’t think Favre is still playing because Irv died, I do think Favre has been waffling because Irv hasn’t been here to hold his feet to the fire however.

by FavreSucks on Sep 29, 2009 3:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

none of this is new or important

it doesn’t matter who’s son plays where, the packers are playing the vikings next Monday.

by warvette on Sep 29, 2009 3:39 PM CDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Contexts

To paraphrase a great writer writing about another sport: “What do they know of football who only football know.”

by uglyfatpimplynerd on Sep 29, 2009 4:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Minn / GB

Vikes fan here…

I think Brett Favre is a great short-term solution. We’ll probably take you in one (maybe both) games this year, but what about next year? The next 5?

You guys are going to put the beating on us, because we’ll be right back where we started…with NO qb.

by mjmrad on Sep 29, 2009 4:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Appreciate The Opinion

But I don’t think anyone is qualified to say, well probably take you in this game or that game at this point. The Packers have not played well so far and the Vikings haven’t played one good team yet (I’m saying that because Frank Gore is the 49ers entire offense and he was out the whole game).

On a different note, the teams the make runs in the playoffs are the teams that turn it on during the second half and especially the last month of the season. I think Vikings fans need to compress their excitement because Brett Favre hasn’t done well in the playoffs since the mid 90’s.

by GGGamer on Sep 29, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice post

with lots of info. Got me to join Acme just to thank you for it.

With my cards on a bye this week the GB-Minn Game is it for me. I am cheering for the Vikings (grew up in northern IA) , but Kampman is from my high school so I hope GB does well too. Let’s hope its a game that lives up to the hype it will get all week. I love the NFL!!!!

by Drullin'OverDaCards on Sep 29, 2009 4:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

WOW!

What a great story about Favre and his relationship with his father. i’ve long been a Packer backer and fan of the great Brett Favre but have lately been at a crux due to mixed emotions about seeing the return of an icon and the return of, arguably, the best player to ever wera the proud green and gold of the GB Packers.I wiush Brett the best and pray that his desire to continue his record breaking career is motivated by his his love of the game and in memory of his late father. To continue to play in order to seek revenge for those who he feels may have dismissed him and his remaining assets, would demean what this article portrays as his his finest attruibutes, the love of the game and the love of his father.

by Ratz on Sep 30, 2009 6:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I can’t understand people’s inability to admit that it’s ok to be a packer fan and a favre fan. I consider myself both, with the edge going to the packers. This guy is the main reason we were the winningest franchise in football over the 16 years he played in green bay. You expect players to be loyal to your team but that’s not the reality of today’s sports. It sucks, there’s no arguiing that. Favre was extremely loyal to the fans and the team while he was here. Think about all the times he offered to re-negotiate his salary to make room for others. He’s a grown man who probably only knows how to play football. It can’t be an easy decision to just walk away from it, especially when you think there’s more to give. Take away the amazing god given talent and he’s just a regular guy facing the end of his life, as far as he’s concerned. It’s hard to say if any of us wouldn’t do the exact same thing. It’s not about the records, the super bowl, getting back at the packers. It’s about holding onto the only thing you’re good at for as long as you can. Because when it’s over it’s OVER.

by gbbacker on Oct 1, 2009 5:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well said gbbacker

I think its ok to be both, for 16yrs to be supporting that guy?? Thats a long time, yeah we fans had it good and we had it bad also. But more good than bad, only 1 losing season. How many other Teams can say that for 16yrs in a row?? Prob not many….but yes he’s gone, we have AR now and we need to back him. He’ s our QB, do we have some issues with our team, football wise?? Does our management always do whats best for our team?? I might not want to answer that myself?? Yes/no, but we have to support our team! Thats what separates our team from anyone elses. We’re the only fan based owned team……thats how we roll. Will I still root for Favre, yes. But like the man said " because when its over, its OVER. The man still wants to play for whatever reason he may, but thats his deal not ours. We are on a mission to win the division, and get to the playoffs. We as true packer fans don’t and won’t expect anything less. We have a tradition of winning, therefore winning the Division is the first priority so winning the this game is a must. Favre and Dad, what a great story, do I miss him on the field in Green/Gold, yes I do, but AR is the man behind center now.

by igotit on Oct 3, 2009 6:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Great piece!

Very well put.
The mans love for the game is unquestioned.
Favre still thinks he can play at a very high level, and last week he proved he’s still better than most other NFL QBs.

The revenge on TT factor, even though Favre says that had nothing to do with his return, I think it is a very large factor, he wants to prove TT and MM wrong.
Anyone who thinks he returned for the money, well, there are many other ways for Favre to make a lot of money in a lot easier way than playing in the NFL.

But I also think it’s still an interesting question why he retired in the first place.
Favre was nudged out by TT in february/march 2008, some say it’s his indecission and he was holding the team hostage for several years by draging out his decission. First of all it is a very difficult decission to make, Favre and other pro athletes are all very competetive, and that mindset is one of the things that makes the decission very hard. In my mind, Favre had earned his right and then some to take time and ponder his decission every year, the media however, has made a way bigger deal out of it than it was.
The Packers allready had groomed Rodgers for three years to follow Favre, they were not in a big need to sign anybody else to replace him.
TT did nothing to try to get him back, I’m not necceceraly talking about signing a big name FA, but a simple little thing like picking up the phone, calling Favre and telling him he wanted him to return. According to interviews, TT didn’t say anything about that, MM apperantly told Favre that TT wanted him to return, but like most other (I assume) Favre wanted TT do say it him self. It is in human nature to want to feel welcome and wanted. That, and TT forcing the issue by demanding an early answer was probably the decideing factor.

by Jarlsberg on Oct 4, 2009 7:06 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Jarlsberg,

  Agreed man, everyone if not most want to feel like were needed at some point. Even the players, now I’m not saying they should have bowed down by any means, But there were and still are areas that need and needed to be addressed. All I’m saying, no matter the outcome of a situation, the ending is what fans/media/management will all go back too. This week in the media/ESPN/fans has been discussing (I say that lightly) what’s been going on over and over. Bottomline, tonight in about 16 hours——-game on. In less than 24 hours, we the fans/players/media will be talking about this for another month until they come to Lambeau…..but at least for tonight, we will see who the better Team is. Brett is still good for the NFL/FANS/MEDIA…..lets not forget our beloved ESPN. But he’s a Viking now. It is what it is because of whatever really happened behind closed doors…….

by igotit on Oct 5, 2009 3:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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