Brief Recap: Rally Falls Short, Cardinals 51, Packers 45
by Brandon on Jan 10, 2010 7:18 PM CST
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Some things were the same for the Green Bay Packers, some things were very different. I guess if this game reminds me of anything it's the sucker punch by WR Terrell Owens in the 1998 playoff game.
The Packers defense had been outstanding throughout the season, but they went missing. Especially the run defense, which allowed 6.8 yards per carry.
The Cardinals' 3rd and 4th WRs had done little this season, but Steve Breaston had 125 yards and 1 TD, and Early Doucet had 77 yards and 2 TDs (he only had one TD in his career before this game). This wasn't a major shock because this was exactly what the Steelers did to beat the Packers four weeks ago, and the Cardinals came up with an excellent game plan. If I was a Cardinal fan, I'd sure wonder where the hell Breaston and Doucet had been all season.
The Packers had led the NFL in turnover margin (+24) by a wide margin this season, but they committed 3 turnovers and all 3 lead to TDs (including the game losing fumble that was returned by LB Karlos Dansby). Despite the massive offensive performance by the Cardinals, Dansby should be their MVP since he was involved in all 3 turnovers.
Despite the turnovers, QB Aaron Rodgers is still the Packers' MVP. He brought them back, but he also had two big turnovers (the fumble by WR Donald Driver had nothing to do with Rodgers). It's a mixed award for him.
I'm numb at the moment. Nothing went as I expected, which is to be expected in the playoffs, and that's why they play the game. I expected the winning team would win the turnover battle and have the better defense. The Packers did/had neither.
NOTE ON BLOG POLICY: We had a couple of nasty, and one very persistent, trolls on the open threads today. I've initiated a 1 day probationary period for new accounts, but I expect to lift it in a couple days once everything cools down. Sorry to any new visitors who have tried to open a new account to comment. I'm a bit overprotective of the comments. I'm not banning disagreements but members who are just here to make trouble.
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it's going to come up, so I'll be the first to mention it
The no-call on the helmet-to-helmet on Rodgers the play before probably changes that game dramatically.
by shaftr on Jan 10, 2010 7:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think there's need to start revisiting the call by the refs.
We didn’t win because we weren’t good enough, the refs had bad calls both ways. I always say that if you’re really good, you don’t leave room for referees to have impact on the score.
The Dude abides
by SlowJoe445 on Jan 10, 2010 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, but don't forget the missed gimmee FG by Rackers
Should never have even made it to overtime.
by RogersPark Kris on Jan 10, 2010 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't
forget Rodgers overthrew Jennings on what would have been a touchdown in the 1st half and Crosby missed a FG too.
So, here's some advice I wish I woulda got when I was your age: Live every week like it's Shark Week.
by snibbodmot on Jan 10, 2010 8:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
MM more than Crosby
A 54 yarder is a tough one, especially for Crosby who has trouble with the long ones. You knew he was going to miss, i knew he was going to miss. When is MM going to figure that out?
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Jan 10, 2010 9:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great question..MM made a lot of really crucial mistakes in this game, and again we came out flat in a big game. Not sure how much of the blame should fall on him but when we’re making some of the same mistakes that we were making early on in the year that’s definitely on him.
by packallday555 on Jan 10, 2010 10:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not that pissed at MM.
By no means did he have a great game, the field goal attempt is a perfect example, but he made a couple of really gutsy calls that kept them in it.
by Zorakathura on Jan 10, 2010 10:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am with you.
He came out flat at the beginning but called a good game later and had a lot of confidence in the offense. This game doesn’t go on MM’s head…by any means.
by TrevorR on Jan 11, 2010 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think it should go on MM’s head either, it’s just frustrating that we never seemed to improve our problem areas throughout the year.
by packallday555 on Jan 11, 2010 8:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute...
The offensive line shored up immensely and the special teams coverage units went from horrid to merely poor. While that is not walking on water, there were some improvements. Going from a 4-4 first half of the season to a 7-1 second half is also significant improvement in the most important stat of all… wins.
by NYCPac on Jan 11, 2010 9:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose your right. I’m just really disappointed.
by packallday555 on Jan 11, 2010 10:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kickers kick
They kick field goals. You have a kicker, you need a field goal kicked, you have the kicker kick a field goal. When the kickers miss a bunch, you get a new kicker who you then send out to kick field goals. Get it?
"I don't know how a guy gets single covered in that situation when you're dropping eight men," Tony Dungy, 12/20/09
by PackaCracka on Jan 11, 2010 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what was Rodgers kicking
On the last play what was with the little kick?
#4 Superior
by 4 where-ever on Jan 11, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who knows. Probably trying to tip it back to himself or out of harms way.
by packallday555 on Jan 11, 2010 8:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I figured he would miss too.
But I also figured that Warner would probably score a TD whether you gave him the ball at midfield after missing a FG, or after you punted and pinned him deep. It would not have mattered, the man was on fire. My god, he had more TD passes than incompletions!
So I would have done the same. I think the same logic explains why they did the onside kick, and why they started going for it on fourth down in the third quarter. Who cares if you turn it over on downs or a failed kick, or made the field longer with a punt. This was not a field position game; I have never seen a game i which field position mattered less. If anything, giving Cards a shorter field benefited the Packers, if you accept they will score anyway. If you’re down multiple scores, you don’t them to chew up too much clock with their drives. I don’t know how you felt, but I started feeling like it was that kind of game very early on. And I think MM did too.
Lots of stuff to find fault with MM on this season, but not this, IMO.
by puddnhead on Jan 11, 2010 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
45 points in regulation changed the game dramatically.. not the supposed no-call..
Save the drama on no-calls.. the Cards have seen enough of them not go their way. Besides, that supposed “no-call” is like hitting the wrist of a basketball player AFTER the ball leaves his hands. Michael Adams swatted the ball and caught his hand in the helmet after the ball came loose.. which is probably why no ref focused on that helmet.
Meanwhile, I warned you last week the Cards can win w/o Boldin – but it seems like you Pack fans still haven’t given AZ credit for their weaponry they possessed all along (and in fact blaming the Pack D for not doing their job instead.) Beanie Wells is an EXCELLENT runner – of course, you’re probably shocked at that, too. Also, it’s almost like you folks (and practically 99% of the US or anyone outside of AZ) are shocked that the Cards can do so much damage WITHOUT BOLDIN. As long as Warner is behind the helm (which is not too much longer, unfortunately), AZ is a threat to run the table.
Other notes: Yea GB’s defense wasn’t very good.. PIT opened the game plan on that mess. Yes, Cards D was horrible, too, but no one ever accused the Cards of being a good D team. My hats off to Rodgers though – you have a very good QB in GB for a very long time. Probably better than Favre if he can weather a few hits.
by TheOriginalCardsFan on Jan 10, 2010 9:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
IT'S still facemasking!!
Rules are rules…is the NFL the NBA now??
So, here's some advice I wish I woulda got when I was your age: Live every week like it's Shark Week.
by snibbodmot on Jan 10, 2010 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyways
Good luck to the Cards…they played their asses off and a crooked bunch of Officials shouldn’t overshadow that.
So, here's some advice I wish I woulda got when I was your age: Live every week like it's Shark Week.
by snibbodmot on Jan 10, 2010 9:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No Defense
I can’t wish them luck (stay with me here…not being a jerk) because they showed nothing yesterday on their defense that they can hang with any of the top seeded teams. Like the Packers, you can’t let a team generate that many yards and hang that many points on you and expect to win week in and week out. The Cards D literally disappeared near the end of the 2nd quarter and never really came back.
Great game, but I think you’ll be heading home for the off season next Sunday.
by pvilleWIcheezhed on Jan 11, 2010 7:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If their offense scores every freaking time they have the ball
It may not matter too much what their defense does, outside of coming through on a couple key plays Certainly that was the key to the Saints’ success (at least for a while).
The only question is, how much was due to a great Zona offense, and how much was due to a packer defense meltdown …
by puddnhead on Jan 11, 2010 9:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Most was due to our poor pass defense.
by packallday555 on Jan 11, 2010 8:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Cards get a team next week that is just like theirs, no real D with a high powered offense. They have as good a chance to win that game as the Packers did.
by TrevorR on Jan 11, 2010 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
But actually it is not…. The ball was out before he ever touched the facemask and at that point it was no longer considered a “tackle” and hence it is not a “facemask”. It is not the ref’s job to watch and protect him as a QB anymore once it is loose. It is his job to watch the ball which he did…
by PurpleJesus on Jan 11, 2010 6:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The ball coming loose
had nothing to do with the penalty, its a matter of possession. Since it was still the Packers possession when the foul occured, it would remain Packers ball, first down from the personal foul, 15 yards for facemasking, or striking the QB in the head, take your pick.
The foul would have killed the play, provided the play happens after the foul.
"I don't know how a guy gets single covered in that situation when you're dropping eight men," Tony Dungy, 12/20/09
by PackaCracka on Jan 13, 2010 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Technically it could have been for making contact to the Qb above the shoulders..Warner got it earlier in the game too. It easily could have been called a penalty but had we not played so poorly on defense it wouldn’t have had to come down to that play.
by packallday555 on Jan 13, 2010 10:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
see comment below
Contact to the head wasn;t even a consideration. The ball was loose and he was no longer prtoected as a “QB”.
by PurpleJesus on Jan 14, 2010 12:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
By the way
I agree with your assessment that your defense is what killed you. You guys had a great year and have a strong future ahead…. Arizona is just one of those teams that can spread you out and has a smart QB who can take advantage of that. Odd how they seem to play up or down to their competition though.
by PurpleJesus on Jan 14, 2010 8:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
If you watch the play it was close. The possesion changed within a second. The play is also not reviewable for a penalty…. That being said, the play was called correctly because the ref’s job is to follow the ball and not protect the QB who already lost the ball.
by PurpleJesus on Jan 13, 2010 10:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Follow up
Here is the NFL’s official take on the play as well….
http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/01/13/perera-incidental-facemask-in-cards-packer-game/
And you had all the chance to not allow this play to even matter in the first half….
by PurpleJesus on Jan 14, 2010 12:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
from PFT.com
“There’s another issue with the play that Pereira doesn’t address. Rule 12, Section 2, Article 13(3) plainly states that defenders may not “use hands, arms, or other parts of the body to hit the passer in the head, neck, or face.”
So while the contact between Adams’ hand and Rodgers’ facemask possibly might have avoided scrutiny (somehow) under Rule 12, Section 2, Article 5 if Rodgers were running with the ball, there’s no way around Rule 12, Section 2, Article 13(3) when the guy wearing the helmet in question is a passer.
Thus, regardless of whether Adams pulled Rodgers’ facemask (he did), Adams struck Rodgers in the face."
Possession doesn’t change until the Cardinal defender controls the ball, so its a foul, before possession change, that was incorrectly non-called. I understand Pereira needs to defend his Refs, especially since they do so horrible all the time.
"I don't know how a guy gets single covered in that situation when you're dropping eight men," Tony Dungy, 12/20/09
by PackaCracka on Jan 15, 2010 12:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no offense...
I trust NFL.com’s take on it which came directly from Pereira. PFT is a privately run site and what they are stating is simply a “private” opinion, not the “Head of NFL Referee’s” opinon which is what I supplied to you.
by PurpleJesus on Jan 15, 2010 7:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
We never thought Wells wasn’t a “good runner”. We just had what was the #1 ranked run defense in the league ending the year, and we faced a bunch of elite backs in the league this year.
by packallday555 on Jan 10, 2010 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
typical " everyone is against us" mentality! He ignores all the comments where we complemented their team and just listens to the negative ones.
by TrevorR on Jan 11, 2010 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ah...
You’re always going to have fans like that. Pound their chest after the fact.
Great year for you guys. Much to look forward to. Besides that you also broke our run as # 1 run defense. You guys are going to be scary in the years to come. My hats off to what you accomplished.
by PurpleJesus on Jan 14, 2010 8:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no-calls
The no-call on the helmet-to-helmet on Rodgers the play before probably changes that game dramatically.
at first, I thought this was RTP too, but after a couple of replays, I think it’s a good no-call, looks like his facemask hits Rodgers in the shoulder/chest first, then slid up to his helmet, therby not RTP.
but what I didn’t like, was that holding call, ok, it was a little hold by Collegde, but the no-call on the Cards on the play were Jenkins got called for RTP on the TD pass, made this look a little inconsistant, not good, I would have been fine with if they called none of them, and I would have been fine with it if both had been called. The RTP on Jenkins was correct. If a defender is blocked into the passer, and hits him between the shoulders and knees, it should not be RTP, but the defender is still responsible for his other actions against the passer, since he clearly hit Warners facemask, it’s a cc. No, it was not a OPI on Fitzgerald either on that play, I think Woodson initiates the contact.
So, please, nobody blame the zebras for this one.
Rodgers and the offense started out horrible, I put that on playoff nerves for Rodgers, it was his first playoff start. The defense started bad, but given the starting fieldpossission for the Cards, it wasn’t easy for them.
Rodgers and the offense redeemed themselfs and played very well, Rodgers had a few inaccurat passes, that stuff happens, so no blame on him, but at times his inexperience showed up. He still holds the ball too long. Finley was absoulouetly awesome, hands down the Packer MVP in this game. I just wonder how perfect fit he would have been for Favre with his overall skills and size. (PLEASE !! do not make a lengthy discussion out of this comment, Favre is gone, I know, but I just wonder…)
The defense did not redeem themself, the tackling was horrible, coverage wasn’t much better. (I do hope we get Eric Berry in the draft, and somebody will teach him to keep his head up when tackling) But we also need O-Line …
The defense has struggled like this vs good QBs all season, that will hopefully improve next year.
Oh, yes, I still blame TT for just about everything … but it’s unlikely he’ll get fired…
by Jarlsberg on Jan 11, 2010 4:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TT
Alas, I think you are correct — TT (and MM) stay. Kampman, Tauscher, Clifton, and Harris are gone though, I’m guessing.
What will be interesting to see is what happens with Driver. I believe he still has a year on the contract, but is clearly not happy with it.
by puddnhead on Jan 11, 2010 7:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what do you care puddnhead?
You’re a Vikings fan. You turned your back on the Packers.
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Jan 11, 2010 8:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the reminder
Got it.
I know some people have a hard time seeing shades of gray, and imagining some things are more complicated than on/off. I’d try to explain to you that I’ve watched every Packer game this year, and was cheering them on yesterday & was very, very bummed when we lost, almost as much as I was against the Giants in 07. But you obviously wouldn’t believe me, so why bother. I can’t help people like you understand these complexities of emotion and allegiance, and frankly I’m not interested in trying any more.
Really dude … I try to post only about the Packers here, and never, ever trash them here (except for TT), or go personal against someone else. This post of mine you replied to was an on-topic, reasonable comment on what is and is not gonna change this offseason. But personal attacks seem to be the ONLY thing you can come up with in response to my posts. What the hell does what you think of me have to do with the Green Bay Packers? This crap from you gets tiresome, I think for everyone. I’m not the troll here; you are.
by puddnhead on Jan 11, 2010 9:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Tauscher will stay, and Clifton depending on what how serious his injury is. Kampman will hopefully be tagged and traded but could easily just be released, and Harris will likely retire.
I think Driver will play again next year, and then probably be done.
by packallday555 on Jan 11, 2010 8:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rodgers is a stud.
The defense sucked.
by Zorakathura on Jan 10, 2010 7:22 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Pretty much the only things that need to be said.
Kurt Warner was a beast, and credit to Aaron. Down by 21… this could’ve ended so much worse. Neither defense showed up.
The Packers will definitely be a playoff team for a loooong time.
by emily522 on Jan 10, 2010 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Props to Kurt Warner. great game, good season. As for next week...GO COWBOYS!!!!
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 10, 2010 7:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Rodgers final line.
28-42 66.7% 422 yds 4 TD 1 INT 121.3 passer rating
I just realized they are calling that last play a fumble. It’s not showing in Rodgers stats as a pick.
by Zorakathura on Jan 10, 2010 7:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What a stat line!
You know what? Rodgers is the LAST guys I look at for blame. He’s a beast and he will learn from this. End of discussoin!
by PackFaninFL on Jan 10, 2010 7:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
He is good, no doubt, but he has flaws in his game that the Cards were able to exploit on that last play. He coughed up the ball, not Jarret Bush or Ryan Grant or Brett Favre.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Jan 10, 2010 7:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Avoiding the issue, i see.
You want to argue that Rodgers is perfect? Why? I’m less interested in arguing with you — too easy — but the psychology behind it could be interesting.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Jan 10, 2010 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have argued nothing, implied nothing.
Keep on trollin’.
by Zorakathura on Jan 10, 2010 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
haha he got ya
you only come with the badness
"I don't know how a guy gets single covered in that situation when you're dropping eight men," Tony Dungy, 12/20/09
by PackaCracka on Jan 11, 2010 9:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What flaw?
He knew our D wasn’t going to stop them, so he tried to make a play. Unfortunately, we fell short. It happens. It was 3rd and 5. You either convert or lose. You think that’s a flaw? Please, elaborate.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 10, 2010 7:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He definitely has flaws but it’s hard to blame him for the loss seeing as how he was the early reason we got back into the game in the first place. He holds onto the ball a bit too much and he needs to run it much more when things aren’t there. Aside from those two things the guy really has no flaws.
by packallday555 on Jan 10, 2010 10:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Rodgers did no tlose this game for Packers. No more than Brett Favre lost last Packers playoff game (also on a QB turnover after winning coin toss in OT following the other team missing a chip shot FG in a game that the defense and running game were much more to blame than the QB play).
In both cases it was a team loss, not to be pinned on an individual player. If you can’t pin one loss on one QB, than you can’t pin the other loss on the other QB. If others want to keep trying to raionalize that blame game, I can’t stop them. But at some point I thik they have to acknowledge that it is the Packers D as a unit that ultimately let the team down, now for the third year in a row. Not the offense, and not the QB in particular.
by puddnhead on Jan 10, 2010 11:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why even compare?
When I compare Rodgers to Favre, I compare 1993 Favre to 2009 Rodgers. It’s his second year as a starter.
by Zorakathura on Jan 10, 2010 11:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
I was comparing some fans’ attitudes. Not the QBs. I very explicitly said that it’s not about the QBs. To the extent that I was saying something about Rodgers, implicitly, I was actually giving him more credit than you may be. I was putting his performance on equal footing with Favre’s performance in 2007, possibly his finest showing as a Packer, and not 1993. Favre was definitely better in 2007 than 1993, so yes, I am saying Rodgers was better this year than Fare was in 1993.
I have no doubts at all that Rodgers was better in 2009 than Favre in 1993. Rodgers is the best thing the Packers have going right now.
by puddnhead on Jan 11, 2010 9:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I blame the D on this one the whole way. We did have a few letdowns on offense, but I don’t think they effected the outcome nearly as much as the secondary “mailing it in”.
I’m proud of Aaron and they way he performed. Holy crap he’s a good QB! I’m encouraged by the fact that he and the other studs can only get better. The 3-4 will be more entrenched and I’m hoping the draft goes well.
by pvilleWIcheezhed on Jan 11, 2010 7:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I don't know what to make of the D
Like I (and many others) have said elsewhere, this loss was not ENTIRELY about a D meltdown. You have to give some credit to Zona; they simply have an amazing offense. But the packer D should have been a little more of a speedbump. This D this year was extremely hot & cold … it looks really tough against average teams, but once it comes up against a powerhouse O … poof, it disappears.
by puddnhead on Jan 11, 2010 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I must say, “Thanks for the respectufl comments.” Anyhow, the topic is on our D. It does have some work before getting it to be elite, but we are after all light years ahead of where our D should be. It is supposed to take 3-5 years for a full conversion from the 4-3 to the 3-4. This is the youngest team in the NFL, so experience will help boost that transition.
What the D needs? The first thing it needs to do is resign Nick Collins at Safety. We could also use another CB to learn under Charles Woodson while we have him. Last but not least, we need a 3-4 OLB to compliment Clay Matthews. Brad Jones is good for depth, but that’s it. He’s not the future at that position.
Considering the D went from #26 to #1 in stopping the run over 1 season is quite an improvement.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 11, 2010 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the defense needs to improve. We really need help in the secondary.
by packallday555 on Jan 11, 2010 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Puddnhead
At some point don’t you think the you think the coaches should stop having the pass rushers run straight into the O-Linemen and get held for the duration of the play?? I know that’s part of what Capers does, sacrifice a player or two to get some in on the QB (which worked against the weaker teams) but if it’s not working (like most of the game against Minnesota, Tampa and Pittsburger) shouldn’t they try something else?? And I’m not blaming the refs for not calling holding, every player on every team does it…
So, here's some advice I wish I woulda got when I was your age: Live every week like it's Shark Week.
by snibbodmot on Jan 11, 2010 4:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Packers defense....
Was so confusing this year..We would have weeks where we look ok against pretty good teams (Dallas and Baltimore) and then weeks where we look like we couldn’t stop anybody to save our lives.
Yesterdays game was really a shocker too me. The Cardinals were without Boldin, and while Breaston and Doucet are both more then capable, I didn’t think we would have as much trouble with them as we did. And too add to that, our run defense which has been pretty consistently great since week 3 or so, looked horrible…Just really, really disappointing.
by packallday555 on Jan 11, 2010 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, it’s all on the defense. The last 8 weeks of the season and on Sunday our offense looked pretty much unstoppable. We started off slow, which was probably due to some nerves, but after that we couldn’t be stopped.
With the emergence of Finley, Jennings, and Grant late this year one would have to think that our offense should be next to unstoppable next year. It would be really nice if we could get at least an average pass defense to accompany the offense.
by packallday555 on Jan 11, 2010 8:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Even though the game had a sad ending, the Packers had a great season! Thanks for all the memories!!!!!
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 7:28 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
And check out the second link embedded in that!
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
(Disclaimer: I’m a Mets fan. Don’t take what I’m saying seriously. This is how I cope.)
Personally I don’t see a way they can recover from this. Next year losses should be Minnesota (2), Philadelphia, NY Jets, New England, Miami, Atlanta, San Francisco. Depending on how the schedule works out it could be a bit worse. I’m optimistically going with 7-9 as my prediction right now. I feel like someone should be fired…but I can’t put my finger on anyone at the moment. Maybe we can bring in Dansby. The Cards probably won’t be able to pay him.
As for Arizona, the Saints are in huge trouble next week. That Dallas-Arizona NFC Championship is going to be one for the ages. GO BOYS!!!
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 7:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think this loss, the bitter taste...
…could make us hungrier for next year. I am not too worried about the psychology of this team, if anything they are OVER confident lol. But who knows…that schedule next year is looking really tough.
by PackFaninFL on Jan 10, 2010 7:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True.
But I think the Packers are ready to face that schedule and they will do well.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 7:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a lowly Mets fan too
But, I disagree…No way the Packers lose 4 more games next year.
So, here's some advice I wish I woulda got when I was your age: Live every week like it's Shark Week.
by snibbodmot on Jan 10, 2010 7:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
schedules
Judging schedules is a tricky thing, especially at this point. It is far too early to predict which team will be good or bad. A SB team could end up as a .500 team next year or a sub .500 team could win it all. That tough schedule might turn out to be the easiest schedule in the NFL. We simply do not know until next season gets going.
by starmark on Jan 10, 2010 7:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree, 10-6 at worst
NE is spirling downward, so we have a chance. We’ll beat Dallas as it’s @ GB. We always beat SF. We’ll take 1 from MN if Favre is there, sweep MN if Favre retires. No need to say more.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 10, 2010 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the vikings will not beat this team without favre. Jackson is a joke
Favre 4 Ever
I Believe In Chris Drury
RIP Buddy <3 Love you
by Plusch on Jan 10, 2010 9:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha what? I’m just going to assume you don’t know a whole lot about football or don’t know a whole lot about football.
The Packers are a couple of good OL and Cbs away from being a super caliber team.
by packallday555 on Jan 10, 2010 10:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well that wasn't so nice
Anything can happen in the NFL. Football is by far the most unpredictable sport. Don’t tell me I don’t know anything about football because I think we’ll have some shellshock and some injuries next season. I’m just prepared for the worst.
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 10:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't see how they can recover from this?
Let’s see…they fell behind by 21 points by playing terribly on the road and then charged back to send it to OT…and did all of this with the D making only ONE STOP the whole game. They have playoff experience now. They’ll be fine for next year. The great thing about next year is that there is time between now and then. Its easy to over-react to this in the immediate timeframe but calm down
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Jan 11, 2010 8:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha yeah I don’t think we have to worry about being bad next year. We’ll likely have the most explosive offense in the league with the emergence of Finley, and all we’ll need is an ok defense to compliment that, that can get more then 1 STOP a game.
by packallday555 on Jan 11, 2010 8:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So basically
We’ll be the Saints this year…next year…
by bluejazz04 on Jan 11, 2010 10:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh man I hope not. Our run defense is definitely above average, we just need some help in the secondary. Some more experience in the new defense should help as well, but who knows.
by packallday555 on Jan 11, 2010 10:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The real question is ...
how is Jarlsberg going to blame this on Rodgers?
by jglowack on Jan 10, 2010 7:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He's going to find a way.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And ...
he will find some way to blame Ted Thompson too
by PackFaninFL on Jan 10, 2010 7:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Global Warming...
…is Ted Thompson’s fault. Didn’t you know?
by starmark on Jan 10, 2010 7:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ted Thompson...
…used his super powers to stop time and caused the fumble in OT so he could make next year’s turnaround look better???
by starmark on Jan 10, 2010 8:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ted Thompson...
killed Bart Starr’s dog…
So, here's some advice I wish I woulda got when I was your age: Live every week like it's Shark Week.
by snibbodmot on Jan 10, 2010 9:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ted Thompson...
… broke up the Pacquiao / Mayweather bout.
When you go to somebody's house, you don't crap on their floor. Being a fan of one team does NOT give you license to be a dick to fans of another.
Corollary: When people are visiting your house and behaving themselves, them being a fan of a different team is NOT a reason for you to piss in their beer.
Brought to you by Carl's Jr.
by Robert Rence on Jan 11, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Isn’t he just going to jump straight to “If Favre were in this game we’d have won”?
"You have no honor!" - McClung to Fukudome
by zsxander567 on Jan 10, 2010 7:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Favre were in the game,
He’d have thrown for at least four interceptions.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 7:45 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Favre would...
…find a way to stop global warming!
by starmark on Jan 10, 2010 7:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Brett Favre...
…gave 9 trillion dollars to starving children.
by starmark on Jan 10, 2010 8:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Brett Favre played in the game for the Packers...
He wouldn’t have needed the other ten guys on offense. He would have single-handedly thrown, caught, run and won the game. He’s Brett Favre!!!!
by starmark on Jan 10, 2010 8:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Brett Favre...
… called the audible sending Mother Teresa to India.
When you go to somebody's house, you don't crap on their floor. Being a fan of one team does NOT give you license to be a dick to fans of another.
Corollary: When people are visiting your house and behaving themselves, them being a fan of a different team is NOT a reason for you to piss in their beer.
Brought to you by Carl's Jr.
by Robert Rence on Jan 11, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well . . . .
Favre haters love to point out that Favre lost a couple of playoff games with bad decisions — the Giants NFC championship game, for example, and the loss to the Eagles a few years ago. Rodgers did what he has done all year — he held the ball too long and got sacked. This time he fumbled too, and lost the game.
Did Rodgerse lose the game for the Packers? Absolutely not. But if you are going to blast Favre, then you also must blast Rodgers for doing the exact same thing.
by ktenreb on Jan 11, 2010 7:51 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This is definitely a fair point.
by packallday555 on Jan 11, 2010 8:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
although...
at the time most of the people ALSO made excuses for Favre. It was only after the whole retire/unretire TT/Favre schism that people started blaming FAvre for stuff. Most people defended him to their death when he was a packer…just like they are with Rodgers.
by TrevorR on Jan 12, 2010 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tough game gents
The worst thing that could happen to the Packers happened. The 1999 Kurt Warner showed up and tore our defense apart. Oh well, next year right?
by Charlie Kelly on Jan 10, 2010 7:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
I think the Packers will be much better next year.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 7:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Building a great team is a process.
Look at the 90’s Packers teams.
by Zorakathura on Jan 10, 2010 8:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
It’s going to take a few years, but this is just a hint of what’s to come…
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
“Warner of Old” tends to have a game like this every couple and then he reverts back to throwing picks. Your team just got unlucky to have faced Warner on one of his good days. Same thing happened to my Vikes. When he’s hot he’s unstoppable. Could probably same the same thing about Rodgers, though I’d say he’s more consistent.
by Jayrome007 on Jan 10, 2010 8:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hi guys
Just got back home and am, obviously, crushed. Having said that I’m incredibly proud we made a fight of it in the end; after the first five minutes I was ready to go home!
Forgive me as I need to get it off my chest, but the missed pens both on Rodgers (helmet to helmet) and on the previous TD (PI and Holding) will keep me awake all night. Gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Ok, well, it was a shootout, ultimately a coin toss and we came up short. The game was a micro-shot of the season; we need to stop starting so bloody slowly, frankly.
OK, I need to hunt down and destroy some more alcohol right now so I’ll stop by thanking all the regulars on here. This season has been made all the better having found this place. Go Packers.
sob
by rudi on Jan 10, 2010 7:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I guess if this game reminds me of anything it’s the sucker punch by WR Terrell Owens in the 1998 playoff game.
Sorry Packer fans but that game always brings a smile to my face :)
"When I get up in the mourning I piss excellence."-Ricky Bobby
by 49er16 on Jan 10, 2010 7:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I suppose it was the last time the 49ers had any sort of relevancy
I kid, I kid.
by Charlie Kelly on Jan 10, 2010 7:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NO!
We were relevant in 2002 :)
"When I get up in the mourning I piss excellence."-Ricky Bobby
by 49er16 on Jan 10, 2010 7:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That was an EPIC comeback against the Giants that year.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 7:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What I remember most
was a few plays earlier, Jerry Rice getting pulverized by Scott McGarrahan and fumbling, and some crooked Ref ruling it down by contact…since Rice was 3 feet off the ground and horizontal at the time that was an unbelievably wrong call…
So, here's some advice I wish I woulda got when I was your age: Live every week like it's Shark Week.
by snibbodmot on Jan 10, 2010 7:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Karma
Remember Adam Walker fumbling in 1995?
"When I get up in the mourning I piss excellence."-Ricky Bobby
by 49er16 on Jan 10, 2010 7:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That WAS a fumble
So, here's some advice I wish I woulda got when I was your age: Live every week like it's Shark Week.
by snibbodmot on Jan 10, 2010 7:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It was definately a fumble
Too bad reviews weren’t done at that time. That play to TO should have never happened though. That play still haunts me strictly because of Rice’s “fumble.”
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 11, 2010 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember after the Packers beat Baltimore in December,
The fans at Lambeau Field were chanting “Jerry Rice fumbled!” to Steve Young.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 7:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At least....
I didn’t cry after this game like after that game….but I was 13 then. Now I’m a man and drown my sorrows with alcohol.
"There are three important things in life: family, religion, and the Green Bay Packers" - Vince Lombardi
by PackerProphet on Jan 10, 2010 7:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
I'll second that.
We had 30 people and a keg at my house for the game yesterday…barely anyone touched the keg during the game, but it was already cashed at 9:00.
"Career highlights? I had two. I got an intentional walk from Sandy Koufax and I got out of a rundown against the Mets." - Bob Uecker
by texwestern on Jan 11, 2010 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why are you here? go scout for the draft :)
Favre 4 Ever
I Believe In Chris Drury
RIP Buddy <3 Love you
by Plusch on Jan 10, 2010 9:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Care to join us after Brent chokes again next weekend?
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 11, 2010 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to crack the next bonehead who says...
“Hey guys, wait til next year. We’re the YOUNGEST team in the NFL.”
Quick, who were the youngest and oldest teams in the NFL? DOn’t know? REally? Me, neitner.
That’s because it’s yet another MEANINGLESS STATISTIC>
Further proof that statistics are for losers.
We’re not guaranteed anything next year. Ask Pittsburgh or New England about that.
by CakeEater on Jan 10, 2010 7:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I already answered your idiotic question in the last thread.
Youngest Packers
Oldest Rams
I didn’t look it up.
by Zorakathura on Jan 10, 2010 7:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As a Cal fan first
I’m glad to see Aaron Rodgers play through the early struggles. He was tearing apart the defense in the second half at will. Too bad the defense couldn’t figure out what they needed to do to stop Warner.
What an unexpected showing by the Packers. Go get them next year!
by CaliforniaBone on Jan 10, 2010 7:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
As a Cal fan
Rodgers gets a woo from me
"When I get up in the mourning I piss excellence."-Ricky Bobby
by 49er16 on Jan 10, 2010 7:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Haha
That is awesome. Made my day.
by pvilleWIcheezhed on Jan 11, 2010 7:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I really think we are done
Look at the team that was shocked in the first round last year by the Cardinals. Atlanta. They showed up hungry and focused and ended up 9-7, partially due to injuries but mostly because they were shellshocked by that loss, and it showed in their sloppy play. Go back and watch their game against the Eagles. I have a feeling that will happen to us. Rodgers and Grant had career years and we still were a lowly wild card exit. And the schedule is so much tougher next year…at least MM will get fired at the end of the season. Then we won’t have to deal with short passing on third and long anymore.
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 7:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Don't call our season next year over.
We have no way to know how things will work out at this point.
At least wait for a few games into that season before you begin predicting how that season will turn out.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 7:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're a Cubs fan
You and I are in the same boat. Our baseball teams have no shot thanks to our moronic GMs. The Packers are all the hope I have.
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 7:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, leave baseball out of this!
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 7:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mets fans
we’re always numb…
So, here's some advice I wish I woulda got when I was your age: Live every week like it's Shark Week.
by snibbodmot on Jan 10, 2010 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I knew this was coming at some point.
Good luck to your guys next year.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Same to you.
It was a fun season, See you over here next year.
by Zorakathura on Jan 10, 2010 7:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
See you!
GO PACK GO!
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 7:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Get used to MM
He is not getting fired. I could entertain arguments for TT or MM getting fired. But these things are not going to happen the way the Packers turned their season around and made the playoffs.
by starmark on Jan 10, 2010 7:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not this year
They are going to be picked to win the North by most publications next year barring (God forbid) a Vikings SB run. If they come up short and finish well out of playoff contention, there is a good chance McCarthy will be canned. I don’t want Thompson to go, I love and respect that man.
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would they be chosen by "most publications" as North division winners?
As long as Favre, Peterson and the rest of the offense stays intact, the Vikings are going to be favored and MM will have another season to guide the Packers to another 2nd place finish and 1st round playoff loss.
Regardless of how much the man is beloved by Packer Nation, there has to come a time when reality needs to set in and a change must be made for the team to take the next step.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Jan 10, 2010 8:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And it will be our turn to do just that next year.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 8:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rodgers & Grant did not have career years.
by Zorakathura on Jan 10, 2010 7:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They had the best years of their careers
That makes them “career years.”
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 7:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Their careers are too short
To determine whether this was a “career year.”
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 7:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Career year implies best year they will ever have.
Grant had a better year 2 years ago. He just played in fewer games.
by Zorakathura on Jan 10, 2010 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair points
But I would be surprised if either player exceeds their performances this year.
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 7:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rodgers isn't at his peak yet.
He can improve in many ways.
by Zorakathura on Jan 10, 2010 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Imagine
Rodgers with a GOOD offensive line…scary
So, here's some advice I wish I woulda got when I was your age: Live every week like it's Shark Week.
by snibbodmot on Jan 10, 2010 7:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Definitely he can and will. He still holds onto the ball too line and a couple of good OL would make him look awfully good.
by packallday555 on Jan 10, 2010 10:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Still don't think Rodgers holds onto the ball long enough.
Come on, AR, hang onto it a little longer. Especially in overtime, when everything is magnified.
Get rid of the f’in ball, DAMMIT, and live to fight another play.
by CakeEater on Jan 10, 2010 7:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It was third down and 8. He was looking for the first down so we wouldn’t have to punt it.
by CaliforniaBone on Jan 10, 2010 7:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of like Favre?
Trying to make a play? If it doesn’t work, then we have to call him a dolt and claim that he sucks. Right? Isn’t that the standard?
by ktenreb on Jan 11, 2010 7:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The situations were a bit different though between that 07’ game and yesterdays game…The Giants put up 20 points on our defense, and we were actually able to stop them more then once. When you know your defense really doesn’t have any shot at stopping them your naturally going to try and do much. Still though, he did hang on to the ball too long and that is something he needs to improve on.
by packallday555 on Jan 11, 2010 8:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed,let's quit patting ourselves on the back....
nice run at the end of the season, but it will go in the books as a “one and done” first round loss to a WEAKENED Arizona Cardinals team after our QB and had a career year.
This was our chance, and we frittered it away in the first ten minutes of the game, and spent the rest of the game digging out of a hole (and racking up statistics in the process)
Next year’s schedule will be 3x harder than this year’s. Go look at it.
by CakeEater on Jan 10, 2010 7:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Keep trollin' trollin' trollin'
"You have no honor!" - McClung to Fukudome
by zsxander567 on Jan 10, 2010 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait.........
In your language does the word “trollin’” actually mean “truth”? Because if it does, you’re right!
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Jan 10, 2010 8:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 8:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Screw thinking your team had a good year and being proud of that because they lost a playoff game. MAN WE SUCK.
Fortunately the NFL is going to go right ahead and not decide entire games based off the first 10 minutes.
"You have no honor!" - McClung to Fukudome
by zsxander567 on Jan 10, 2010 8:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well whaddaya know!
The idiot has returned!
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Jan 11, 2010 8:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's not trolling
Just because he doesn’t agree with your simplemindedness doesn’t make him a troll.
by ktenreb on Jan 11, 2010 7:55 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
coming here blasting on people
in their moment of horror is a little trolling
like you calling people simpleminded
get outta here vikings fan, you’re not wanted
"I don't know how a guy gets single covered in that situation when you're dropping eight men," Tony Dungy, 12/20/09
by PackaCracka on Jan 11, 2010 9:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn’t trolling but it wasn’t a very intelligent comment. Saying “this was our chance” implying we won’t have any other playoff shots in the near future is ridiculous. Many people here didn’t think we had a very good chance of making a run because of our secondary being suck a liabilty. Most of our elite players are young, and will likely be in GB for years to come.
by packallday555 on Jan 11, 2010 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Think we were weakened a little? Especially in the secondary?
Al Harris, Will Blackmon, Pat Lee, Derrick Martin, Jason Spitz, Aaron Kampman, Jeremy Thompson and Justin Harrell…
So, here's some advice I wish I woulda got when I was your age: Live every week like it's Shark Week.
by snibbodmot on Jan 10, 2010 8:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
Harrell-not so much
So, here's some advice I wish I woulda got when I was your age: Live every week like it's Shark Week.
by snibbodmot on Jan 10, 2010 8:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BUSTIN JUSTIN!!!
That was the only time I’ve ever questioned Thompson’s sanity.
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 8:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The ONLY time?????
I’ve questioned it ever since he got here. The only time I started think he made sense was when he traded up in the draft this year. Now if only he can get the Packers some OL…
by starmark on Jan 10, 2010 8:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha in what way was this our chance? You say it like we’re the Vikings and are going to lose a bunch of our key players in 2-3 years. Rodgers, Grant, Jennings, and Finley will all be on the Packers for a long time to come.
by packallday555 on Jan 10, 2010 10:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, I guess this wasn't a Face Mask.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 7:51 PM CST reply actions 9 recs
And that play was ruled a fumble so tuck rule applies.
No excuses though. ;)
by Zorakathura on Jan 10, 2010 7:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, they clearly missed that call.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The refs were awful
I’m not blaming them for the loss, but they made bad calls and non-calls against both teams. Criminally bad officiating.
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 7:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
The NFL needs to seriously sit down with its officials and talk to them so that these questions are not raised again.
The fact is, there are too many inconsistent calls these days. It often seems that the refs have an inherent bias in the games they officiate.
ut this does not excuse the defense giving up 45 points.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 8:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
the FBI needs to interview a few of them
So, here's some advice I wish I woulda got when I was your age: Live every week like it's Shark Week.
by snibbodmot on Jan 10, 2010 8:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
YES! Let's have the government convene a committee to deal with these referees!
You know, because a sporting event where your favorite team loses NEEDS to have everyone involved investigated!
I WANT ANSWERS!
I don’t care if it’s only a sporting event played by millionaire athletes who don’t care 1/10th as much as people watching the game at home and blogging/whining about it !
I WANT THE TRUTH!
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Jan 10, 2010 8:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh.........
There’s that word again.
It’s a word thrown around by people who can’t deal with anyone’s opinion when it doesn’t parrot the company line.
I’m hurt.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Jan 10, 2010 8:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Troll is only Vikings-ese.
Earlier today, a Vikings fan actually invited us to come talk smack at DN after what he saw here.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 8:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You might want to read your sig line again.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 8:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry......... It says "sarcasm" where in my sig?
Sorry VCF, it’s the way I feel. IT’S ONLY A GAME.
All these people whining about the refs don’t whine nearly as much (if at all) when the calls are benefitting their team.
It happens. Referees are human. They’re fallible. Deal with it.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Jan 10, 2010 8:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know.
But you’re acting like a troll. Right now, I’m numb after the game, and coming and being sarcastic to us is not going to get a warm reception.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 8:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Again, I understand your pain, but implying that anyone who comes here and has a different opinion for you in regards to the game and what happened during it does not make me a "troll".
As I said before, it’s ONLY A GAME. Sports is a leisure to take our minds off of the real world and all it’s lack of enjoyment. For a pleasure to make you numb because of it’s outcome seems ridiculous to me.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Jan 10, 2010 8:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Get back to us after the Chargers game next week, then.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I will, absolutely.
I’ve never felt pained or numbed when my favorite teams or fighters lose. It happens. Someone wins and someone loses. Would I like it if my team was the winning team? Of course. Does it hurt me when they lose? No. Why would it? I’m not making any money from it. I’m not enjoying any of the spoils when they do win.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Jan 10, 2010 8:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But you're coming over here and rubbing it in our faces.
And then, you’re trying to tell us that it’s only a game when we get worked up.
Sorry, logic fail on your part.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And note, I did not call you a troll.
I said you are acting like one. There’s a difference.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Saying someone is "acting" like a troll and then later saying that you weren't actually calling someone that is a coward's double-talk.
I’m just saying.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Jan 10, 2010 8:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A coward you say, how dare you sir. I will meet you behind the internet for fisticuffs.
by Zorakathura on Jan 10, 2010 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WHY.............. If I had a white glove sir, it would certainly meet your cheek!
Pistols at dawn, I say!
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Jan 10, 2010 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not the one behaving rudely here.
You are entitled to your own opinions. You are not entitled to your own facts.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 8:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm entitled to my own opinion?
But then you call me a “troll” when I excercise the right to voice my opinion?
You don’t think calling someone a name is rude? Is name-calling appropriate? Perhaps re-reading what you write before you click on the “post” button would help.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Jan 10, 2010 9:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Please stop rubbing this game in our faces.
It’s bad enough to do that. But then expecting us to be okay with it will not happen.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 9:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah the referees are human argument
"You have no honor!" - McClung to Fukudome
by zsxander567 on Jan 10, 2010 8:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, reality IS a harsh truth, isn't it?
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Jan 10, 2010 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They may be human
But they are being paid to get it right. It’s their job. If a judge decided not to convict someone even though there was indisputable evidence against him, is it okay because the judge is human and fallible?
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 8:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...............
OJ ring a bell?
Scott Peterson being convicted without anything besides shoddy circumstatial evidence?
It happens. HUMAN ARE FALLIBLE.
P.S. Judges don’t convict anyone. They need a jury to render a verdict before they pass sentence.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Jan 10, 2010 8:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Without order, there is chaos."
Unfortunately bad things happen to good people and mistakes are made. It’s life. We don’t live in a Utopian society where everthing is just and perfect. It’s the imperfections that makes us human.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Jan 10, 2010 8:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I still don't see your point
How is that acceptable? You are totally missing me here, because you say it isn’t an excuse it’s just the truth…but I don’t see why that flies in this situation.
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 8:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because fans are whining for their "pound of flesh" over a game. A game officiated by humans. HUMANS ARE FALLIBLE.
That’s why it “flies” in this situation. People crying about investigations and conspiracy theories need to stop. Seriously.
Either that or take a refereeing course and call the NFL about a job.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Jan 10, 2010 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You realize
The initial “FBI” comment was a joke…
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 8:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sarcasm is amiss to him...
Looking to buy: General Manager Deputy Badge
by Bush League All Star on Jan 11, 2010 2:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do YOU realize that to a lot of Packer fans on this site that's it's most certainly not?
Have you been reading this thread at all?
I have.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Jan 10, 2010 9:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's simple
the guy doesn’t have a point at all
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
by verno329 on Jan 11, 2010 9:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He never does. He just continually twists his words, and when he does come here he rarely has anything to say pertaining to football…
by packallday555 on Jan 11, 2010 8:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I realize that now.
Just wish I hadn’t fallen for the bait.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 12, 2010 12:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes I can see how not being capable of doing your job well
could be seen as human. You can use that line all you want but it doesn’t excuse them for screwing up.
"You have no honor!" - McClung to Fukudome
by zsxander567 on Jan 10, 2010 8:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Again, it's not an excuse. It's just truth.
We can look at the same thing and see it differently depending on our own beliefs and biases. Is one of us "screwed up’ because we don’t see it the same as the other? Or are we just human?
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Jan 10, 2010 8:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It has nothing to do with differences
If it’s your job to make those kinds of calls and you aren’t doing it then you should be held accountable.
"You have no honor!" - McClung to Fukudome
by zsxander567 on Jan 10, 2010 8:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
In the end, as you say, it is just a game so I don’t want to sound like they should be tarred and feathered. I just think it’s something that should be acknowledged and addressed. Especially when a missed call ends the game of a playoff match.
"You have no honor!" - McClung to Fukudome
by zsxander567 on Jan 10, 2010 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We're not whining about the refs being biased
We’re whining about the refs being crappy. There were just as many calls that benefitted the Packers as there were calls that helped Arizona in this game. I just think the overall scope of the game would have been very different if the refs hadn’t had a coke bash before they showed up to the stadium.
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 8:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tuck rule does not apply here
The ball was hit by a player. The tuck rule applies when the ball comes out of the QB’s hand as he pulls his arm down. In this case, the defender actually hits the ball, which could be argued that was the reason for the fumble. The face mask was definitely there, however.
by starmark on Jan 10, 2010 8:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've been watching that play over and over...
And I can’t see how that is not a face mask! Since it happened BEFORE possession changed, the Packers would keep the ball. That was a horrible miss by the refs. Even though the Packers had many chances early in the game to NOT make mistakes, it sucks to lose a playoff game because of a missed ref call.
by starmark on Jan 10, 2010 8:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn’t even upset when arizona returend the fumble for the TD, because it was an obvious facemask. They didn’t lose the game solely on that non-call, but it is still tough to swallow.
by arails4 on Jan 10, 2010 8:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the non-facemask call
Peter King has an explanation of why this is not a bad call by refs:
Regarding the non-facemask call on the last play of Arizona-Green Bay: I’ve watched the TiVoed combination of replays six times now. Arizona’s Michael Adams blitzes, dislodges the ball from Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rodgers, rakes his hands over the facemask of Rodgers, then appears to grab the facemask, and the ball is inadvertently kicked by Rodgers.
The ball flies briefly into the air and is grabbed by Arizona linebacker Karlos Dansby, who secures it and runs into the end zone for the winning touchdown. Adams keeps his hands on the mask as he plows into Rodgers and brings him to the ground. Adams didn’t tackle him by the mask, but his hand did stay secured on the mask as Rodgers fell to the ground. (I say it that way because from the mountain of e-mails and Tweets last night, most of you think he got yanked to the ground by the facemask. It didn’t appear that way to me.)
For a facemask penalty to be called, there has to be evidence not just of a hand on the mask, but of twisting and pulling of the facemask. And there is a slight pulling of it, but not in a flagrant way. To me, it’s a close call. But what complicates matters is this: The referee, Scott Green, is the official on the crew with the responsibility of watching plays involving the quarterback. Once the ball has been dislodged, Green has to watch the ball, not the contact on the quarterback. He has to see if the ball hits the ground and judge if it’s a forward pass or a fumble, then he has to follow the live ball until the end of the play. So Green could not — at least, he should not — have seen the contact on the mask of Rodgers.
Of course, the reason this is a big concern is if a facemask had been called, Green Bay would have had a first down at its 32 in a game where defense was optional. I don’t see how the call could have been made any differently with the current rules and officiating assignments the way they are.
Re the non-tuck-rule call on the last play of Arizona-Green Bay: the ball, once it somehow became dislodged from Rodgers, never hit the ground. If the ball doesn’t hit the ground, it’s live, and the tuck rule doesn’t apply.
Also, I think the facemask happened after he lost the ball, so Zona would have still had it, just they would have had to score with their offense, on a still short field. I’ve read this elsewhere, and I think King does not consider this. In other words, even it the facemask was called, it probably would not have changed the outcome of the game.
by puddnhead on Jan 11, 2010 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
More on this from Seifert at ESPN -- and the NFL itself -- if you're still interested
Reinforces the idea that this was actually a good non-call / it should not have been called:
As we visually noted Sunday, Arizona cornerback Michael Adams caught his right index finger on Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers’ facemask. Had a penalty been called, Karlos Dansby’s game-winning touchdown would have bee nullified.
A picture is worth a thousand words, but it also captures a split-second in time. The potential for penalty is far less obvious when watching the play in live speed.
The NFL issued a rules explanation Monday in response to questions about the play. I got my hands on it this afternoon, and its general tone suggests that no illegal act occurred because Adams — in the judgment of officials — did not twist, turn or pull Rodgers’ facemask. An inadvertent grab is legal in part because of a 2008 rule revision.
Before 2008? The play probably would have been a penalty. For those of you who want to read the entire explanation, I’ve included it at the bottom of this post.
You know how I feel about officiating. I think calls even out over time. But they still can make a huge impact in individual games, and that’s why they’re fair game for discussion in setting like these. We spent at least one post every week hashing through some of the more interesting ones during the regular season.
If I were a Packers fan, I would probably be more upset about the non-call of an apparent helmet-to-helmet hit on Rodgers two plays before it. Rodgers, for his part, told reporters in Green Bay on Monday that he spent most of his time thinking about his overthrow of receiver Greg Jennings on the first play of overtime.
"There’s always going to be one or two plays in the game where you wonder should there be a call, shouldn’t there be a call, but those are out of my control," Rodgers said, according to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. "The things I worry about are the things I can control. I made some mistakes in the game. Those are the ones I’m thinking about. Not a potential facemask on that.
"The one play I was thinking about laying in bed was the first play of overtime. Unfortunately, just missed Greg on that one that could have ended the game. But [the Cardinals] made a play in overtime, you have to give them credit for that."
OK then. Here is the full explanation from the NFL:
A “facemask” penalty is a judgment call that is not reviewable by replay.
Rule 12, Section 2, Article 5 of the NFL Rule Book (page 81) states that “no player shall twist, turn, or pull the facemask of an opponent in any direction.”
The Rule Book describes the penalty as follows:
“Penalty: For twisting, turning or pulling the mask: loss of 15 yards. A personal foul. The player may be disqualified if the action is judged by the official(s) to be of a flagrant nature.”
The Rule Book describes an approved ruling as it relates to facemask penalties (page 81).
“A.R. 12.12 – Third-and-10 on A30. Runner A1 runs to the A33, where he is tackled by B1, who incidentally grasps A1’s facemask on the tackle, but it is not a twist, turn or pull. Ruling: A’s ball, fourth-and-seven, on A33. No foul.”
Prior to the 2008 season, a rule change was approved that eliminated the foul for the incidental grasp of the facemask.
The language of the rule as it relates to a facemask penalty through the 2007 season:
“Penalty: Incidental grasping of the mask — five yards. Not a personal foul (if by the defense there is no automatic first down). Twisting, turning, or pulling the mask — 15 yards. A personal foul. The player may be disqualified if the action is judged by the official(s) to be of a flagrant nature.”
by puddnhead on Jan 11, 2010 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And did anyone think Brent's buttbuddy-ThePeterKing, Seifert or anyone else who works in the NFL industry would say anything other than the NFL party line...LOL
I’ve watched the TiVoed combination of replays six times now. Arizona’s Michael Adams blitzes, dislodges the ball from Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rodgers, rakes his hands over the facemask of Rodgers, then appears to grab the facemask, and the ball is inadvertently kicked by Rodgers.
The ball flies briefly into the air and is grabbed by Arizona linebacker Karlos Dansby,
It’s clear to any reasonable person that the infraction occured BEFORE Arizona’s Dansby got the ball. Even ThePeterKing got it right…
And if your Vikings and your mancrush Brent had lost a game this way YOU would be as pissed as we are…
That referee, Scott Green, is notorious for making bad calls that affect the POINT SPREAD in games that he has “officiated”. He also calls way fewer penalties than the average NFL zeeb. Do a little research…
To my fellow Packer fans-see ya about draft time…this noob is outa here.
So, here's some advice I wish I woulda got when I was your age: Live every week like it's Shark Week.
by snibbodmot on Jan 11, 2010 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There was no foul.
No twisting or pulling, no foul. Chekc the rules — they changed after 2008.
by ktenreb on Jan 11, 2010 5:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
touching the QBs head
is not allowed. YOU check the rules
"I don't know how a guy gets single covered in that situation when you're dropping eight men," Tony Dungy, 12/20/09
by PackaCracka on Jan 13, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Screw the facemask no-call
The no-call on the helmet-to-helmet on the previous play would have changed things drastically.
by bluejazz04 on Jan 11, 2010 10:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it would have and there’s really no question of whether or not that helmet to helmet hit was a penalty. The two plays where Fitz pushed Woodson to the ground were frustrating too, as well as Jenkins being held. All those things could have had a great effect on the game but oh well. Even if we would have won it would have been difficult for us to win another game because of our passing defense.
by packallday555 on Jan 11, 2010 11:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hell of a Game!
Props to Warner and the Cardinals. He played an amazing game and Fitz had some sick catches.
I don’t know what happens next year, but in a passing league I will take another 8 years of Rodters to Finley and Jennings.
by Bernie's Mustache Wax on Jan 10, 2010 8:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
As a Vikings fan...
I have to say that I thought GB got hosed on that last play in overtime. Definite facemask on Rogers that wasn’t called. It was an amazing comeback and GB and fans have a lot to be proud of this season!
by IlinoisVike on Jan 10, 2010 8:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wow, a rational Vikings fan
Are there others like you? Seriously, you’re right for the most part. Thanks.
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 8:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's one of several who were hanging around today.
ArizonaVikingsFan, vikant.
Drew10 invited us to DN and talk smack to Vikings fans if Minnesota loses next week. And he’s a Vikings fan, no less.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 8:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good for them
I remember the Santana saga a couple years ago and the Twins fans were so hostile. I just don’t have good experiences with Minnesota fans. Nice to know there are a few good ones out there. I’d say best of luck against Dallas but…I’d be lying.
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 8:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Understandable...They are going to be a HARD team to beat...
by IlinoisVike on Jan 10, 2010 8:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As I told drew10,
That looks like it’s going to be a great game, and fun to watch!
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 8:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup! I have my ticket for the game, so I hope so!!
by IlinoisVike on Jan 10, 2010 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel bad
For saying that I hope you walk out of that building crushed and defeated, because you seem like a nice guy, but…I hope you walk out of that building crushed and defeated.
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 8:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL! If I do, it won't be the first time...
But, respectfully, the Vikings are a different team at home and should give the Cowboys all they can handle.
by IlinoisVike on Jan 10, 2010 8:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how they can win
Favre will get flustered by that monstrous defensive front and try to win the game himself, and everyone knows what happens when Favre takes matters into his own hands…nothing good. He’s actually a pretty bad playoff quarterback historically. I mean, he is solely responsible for us not winning the Super Bowl in 2007, in my opinion.
It’s the playoffs. Anything can happen. But Dallas is the heavy favorite, to me.
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 8:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, you are entitled to your opinion but giving them no chance to win
seems a bit over the top to me.
by IlinoisVike on Jan 10, 2010 8:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry
I just passionately hate Darth Brent.
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 8:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Those "We'll Never Forget You Brent' Shirts
totally seal the deal for me.
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I had to head back to my apartment.
Wish this conversation hadn’t gone this way.
Sorry, man.
Have a great time next weekend!
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haven't been to a pro game since 2000,
but the atmosphere was way too crazy at that game for my liking.
I prefer watching on TV.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 9:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NFC title game
Name a Packer who had a good game that night. Grant had a good play on that INT return, but had something like 30 yds rushing. He might have had a few more yards had the OL done anything. Collins had a really dumb penalty to keep a Giants scoring drive alive. Plaxico Burress abused the secondary all night. That loss was a team effort.
And would they have beaten the Patriots? Impossible to say, but if they had that much trouble with the Giants, it seems doubtful.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Jan 10, 2010 9:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I grew up (early years) in Michigan before moving to MN
so the harshness of watching (and hoping) for a good Lions team made being rational a survival skill :).
by IlinoisVike on Jan 10, 2010 8:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Lions
may be one of a few teams (Clippers, Knicks) who may have more depressed fan bases than the Mets.
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 8:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd throw the Browns, the Raiders and the Royals in there too
"You have no honor!" - McClung to Fukudome
by zsxander567 on Jan 10, 2010 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Raiders maybe
The Mets are definitely worse than the other two. And the Raiders is debateable.
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 8:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lions
1 playoff win since 1957 (Wahoo!)
by IlinoisVike on Jan 10, 2010 8:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And only three playoff appearances from 1957 to 1991.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 9:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Rams too.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 9:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
About Vikings fans
I’ve chatted with a few recently since Favre started playing for their team. I have come to the conclusion that most fans are good people regardless of who they like. It is the few poor sports who give a bad impression for the rest for everyone involved. Talking smack is one thing. Some people take smack-talking too far. Unfortunately, sports fans will take rival teams’ fans as a whole, basing their opinions on the actions of a single (or a few bad representatives). There are some obnoxious Packer fans out there. I’ve learned that these last couple years with the whole “Favre thing”.
What we forget is that this is just a sport and it is supposed to be fun. When it stops being fun, then maybe some fans should take a break from sports for a while. It bothers me most when people wish injury on others. That’s taking things too seriously and too far.
by starmark on Jan 10, 2010 8:24 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Good point!
One of the best times I’ve ever had was going to a Packers/Lions Sunday night game several years ago (Pack won in overtime). The stadium atmosphere was amazing and people treated us well for the most part!!
by IlinoisVike on Jan 10, 2010 8:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent point.
Rec’d.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 9:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Some of the best games I’ve ever been to were Badger-Gopher football or hockey games in the Twin Cities…you can talk smack with most of those people all day, then still go out for a beer (or two…or eight) with them.
"Career highlights? I had two. I got an intentional walk from Sandy Koufax and I got out of a rundown against the Mets." - Bob Uecker
by texwestern on Jan 11, 2010 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
The problem for Viking fans is that their play by play guy, Paul Allen, is a complete homer idiot who rally’s guys to talk smack about the Packers. I think he breeds it. I have TONS of friends here though that are HUGE Viking fans and are totally cool when it comes to football and our rivalry. I think things change when they actually KNOW people who cheer for the other team…it makes them think of the people on the other side as people, not just idiots who don’t cheer for your team.
by TrevorR on Jan 11, 2010 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
It’s harder to hate someone when you get to know them some.
by IlinoisVike on Jan 12, 2010 8:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Looking to next year's schedule at this point is a folly
Injuries
Guys getting old fast
Players on the Pack maturing
Any Given Sunday now more than ever
Those are just a couple reasons you can’t start looking at what happens next year. it isn’t an excel formula, it is an actual game
by Bernie's Mustache Wax on Jan 10, 2010 8:17 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
agreed
anything can happen from one year to the next in the NFL
by starmark on Jan 10, 2010 8:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
Look at this year’s Cincinnati Bengals.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 8:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
And they’re one-and-done as well
by bluejazz04 on Jan 10, 2010 10:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Another issue for next year...
we have two aging tackles…I really wanted to win this year for Taush and Clifton…TJ Lang seem to play OK after Clif got hurt. But that will be an issue next year…
And remember that Colledge holding call in OT? shakes head maybe another left guard is good too
by PackFaninFL on Jan 10, 2010 8:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think it will be the secondary
Lang will be another year older and Spitz will be back healthy. The secondary is my main concern. They will likely cut Harris, and that means they really don’t have an NFL-starting caliber CB2 or SS. One or both of those positions should be addressed in the draft (could Taylor Mays slip down to where we are?)
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 8:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
good point
I would put the secondary as #2 on the priority list.
by starmark on Jan 10, 2010 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, I'm so not used to this
I love Amazin’ Avenue, but arguments on Mets blogs in general get very very heated over the littlest things. Not that that isn’t fun, but it’s refreshing to see (most) everyone is very civil over here at Acme Packing Company.
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 8:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think baseball is different
It feels like when stuff goes bad you have a whole summer of day to day bullshit.
by Bernie's Mustache Wax on Jan 10, 2010 8:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
And there also are people who claim to be fans of your team, but they only appear to complain about the team when the team loses.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 9:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We've had our heated debates
After the loss to Tampa Bay early in the season, there were a few of us pointing fingers at a lot of people on the team and/or staff of the team. Many of the fans had different ideas of who should go or stay. As it turned out, the team turned the season around and made the playoffs. With that kind of perspective, this isn’t so bad. The Packers might not even have made the playoffs. It still sucks after a tough loss. And now we are talking about next year already. I think I’m going to just go offline for a while and watch a movie or something.
by starmark on Jan 10, 2010 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
APC was REALLY heated after that game.
If the Packers hadn’t turned the game around, this website would have been a little scary by the end of the year.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was livid
I was almost at the point of wanting Darth Brent back. I was convinced McCarthy would be fired. In hindsight, it’s a shame we turned it around. We have a lower draft pick, the same mediocre coach, and nothing to show for it.
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 9:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That may be true.
But the Packers went on a run that I don’t think anyone saw coming. The team has nothing to be sad about, they kept fighting back every week.
Even tonight, I thought the game would be over quickly, but they hung very tough throughout.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 9:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I had a feeling they would stay with it
Woodson was not going to let them lose that easily (although he lost the battle with Fitzgerald overall). I didn’t really think they would tie it, and when they won the coin toss I flipped out. It was just so shocking…the level of ineptitude displayed by both Rodgers and the officials on the overtime drive (if you can call it that) was absurd. If McCarthy were fired I would not complain. To me, one playoff win and two upset losses in four years does not cut it.
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 10:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The secondary
might be better if Al Harris, Will Blackmon, Pat Lee, and Derrick Martin weren’t on the IR. Could we leave Martin on the IR permanently?
So, here's some advice I wish I woulda got when I was your age: Live every week like it's Shark Week.
by snibbodmot on Jan 10, 2010 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I do not think that I would be too upset if
the draft picks alternated between DBs and OLs for the whole draft. LOL
by NYCPac on Jan 10, 2010 11:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s actually what I’m hoping will happen!!
by packallday555 on Jan 10, 2010 11:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, yes.
I’m hoping the same. We need backups in the defensive secondary.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 11:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
throw in a kicker in the 7th
and Im happy
See, this is what happens when the Sox bunt.
Discord is sown. Brother fights brother. Misunderstandings abound.
-TAEG
by blackoutsox on Jan 11, 2010 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At some point
the pass rushers need to stop running straight into the O-Linemen and getting held for the duration of the play…
So, here's some advice I wish I woulda got when I was your age: Live every week like it's Shark Week.
by snibbodmot on Jan 10, 2010 9:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Lang will either replace Tauscher at RT or Colledge at LG. Depending on which one happens we have to get some guys to fill in those other positons.
by packallday555 on Jan 10, 2010 10:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
did the defense suck. I thought the playcalling sucked too on the big important plays. I don’t know, I think the coaching staff perfomed below average on both sides of the ball leading up to and during the game. Thank heavens Aaron Rodgers is our quarterback. It’s a disappointment, but the sun will rise tomorrow and there is plenty to be excited for 8 months from now.
by Wade V on Jan 10, 2010 8:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
There are a lot of knee jerk reactions, to be sure
I am disappointed but not like I could’ve been. After the first quarter and at the end of the first half, when they failed to get a TD, I was prepared to lose.
At what point did Capers not think “JFC, the blitzes aren’t working, let’s drop into coverage”? I mean, seriously, rush only 1 person and drop 10 if you have to. Capers failure to do anything useful ruined this game, along with missed tackles.
by Danwood on Jan 10, 2010 8:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I wasn’t the least bit impressed with Capers gameplan. Didn’t seem like he ever made an adjustment throughout the entire game..
by packallday555 on Jan 10, 2010 10:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Congratulations for coming back from being behind by 21 points.
All of us on the Cardinals blog thought the game was over, but Rodgers is a damn good Quarterback.
This is one of the greatest playoff games I have ever seen, from all of the points that were scored and the Overtime Fumble/Interception return.
Good luck next year.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
I can't stand band-wagoner fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.
by JoeCB1991 on Jan 10, 2010 8:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Congrats
That was a great game. Good luck the rest of the way.
by Bernie's Mustache Wax on Jan 10, 2010 8:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Crazy game.
Good luck against NO.
by Zorakathura on Jan 10, 2010 8:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
New Orleans is the team that needs luck
Arizona could very easily put up over 60 points against the Saints’ crappy defense.
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
but same could be said for the Saints O against AZ's D
by bizzle4 on Jan 10, 2010 10:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It might be a replay of tonight.
by Zorakathura on Jan 10, 2010 10:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It could go over 100 points.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
I can't stand band-wagoner fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.
by JoeCB1991 on Jan 11, 2010 7:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks and...
I enjoy your passion , I read your posts during the week over at ROTN. And you were right, the cards were playing possum last week! WE got over confident and boom, you beat us fair and square
by PackFaninFL on Jan 10, 2010 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
calm down guy ‘N’ is right next to ‘B’ on the keyboard… it was a mistake
by edbro on Jan 11, 2010 12:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Meaning he was making a joke.
I believe he made the same joke in the game thread earlier. Now calm down.
by Zorakathura on Jan 11, 2010 12:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And if that's not clear
N= Nerd. B= Bird
by Zorakathura on Jan 11, 2010 12:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It was an exciting game
and I am heartbroken. Just heartbroken. I think I got quite a few more grey hair’s during the game. I did take an asprin to prevent a heart attack though :) :). I do feel the # 1 priority in the draft though is CB’s Jerrett Bush was the downfall of us as I somewhat expected he would be. He alone gave up half a dozen big plays. Rodgers played his arse off. And yes, I am going to whine about the Ref’s. That FACEMASK should have been a penalty and an automatic first down, I thought that stuff should have been automatically reviewed. They blew it.
by turd on Jan 10, 2010 8:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
A lot of missed calls
but at some point you have to the defense to forget about it and move on. That didn’t happen today. Rough game. One of the more exciting games I’ve seen in awhile. Crap happens and hopefully they bounce back from this.
"You just don't know understand how frustrating this is"- Kevin Borseth
by TkGoUWGB on Jan 10, 2010 9:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's gonna be alright....
It’s a stepping stone year. We have an amazing QB in his second year and luckily we’ve had all of our flaws pointed out on the field; that’s what the offseasons for. I think a lot of fans expect too much but there are much worse off teams than us. Too many young kids expecting a Super Bowl every year. Does anyone remember the 70’s and 80’s? Good Lord.
I remember watching DAL/GB game in ’95…heartbreaker but I thought next year: Super Bowl. Lo and behold….
And that’s what we’re doing now. Dynastys aren’t built in one year. Do you think Lombardi let the 1960 championship loss get to the team? Crying about one loss for the next decade.
HELL NO! BECAUSE WE ARE CHAMPIONS!
Let the Vikings fans cry over almost every year.
"There are three important things in life: family, religion, and the Green Bay Packers" - Vince Lombardi
by PackerProphet on Jan 10, 2010 9:06 PM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
By the way...
I’m listening to thepost game show (Bill Michaels) and the last play should have been nullified. It was a facemask, he was dragged down by the facemask, so it should have been called :( that sucks.
the responsibility was on the back judge. And according to Bill Michaels, they are trained to focus on the ball once it’s loose, which I don’t understand how they couldn’t have seen the facemask anyways.
But yeah, it was a blown call, the facemask was before the fumble.
by PackFaninFL on Jan 10, 2010 9:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Question
Is Bill Michaels a former NFL official, or involved with NFL officiating in any way?
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
good questions...
…I think he was quoting an nfl official, that’s what I think he said…..darn I just don’t remember.
But you know what? I was looking at a replay of it and it was so bang-bang fast that I’m not so sure what to make of it.
by PackFaninFL on Jan 10, 2010 9:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That may explain why it wasn't called.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 9:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't a penalty at the end.
If it isn’t called it is not a penalty. Rodgers head wasn’t turned by the facemask. Plus the ball was bouncing in the air getting kicked and returned for a TD so it isn’t like the refs were looking that hard at a guy that no longer possessed the football. Plus the facemask didn’t affect the outcome of the play. Rodgers held the ball like a deer in headlights and he got worked. Ballgame.
They lost because their defense was obliterated to an extent that I personally have never seen before in a playoff game. That was embarrassing. The Cardinals only were forced into 5 third downs all game!!! That is insane. The Cardinals scored more touchdowns than they had sequences in which they weren’t able to secure a first down before 3rd down. Has that ever happened before in a “pro” game?
by Sand0 on Jan 10, 2010 9:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
They got rid of the “head turning” rule, and a facemask there would have nullified the play. Haha I’m not sure if I’d say deer in the headlights but he definitely held onto it too long. It sure didn’t help that both Dansby and Adams came untouched on the blitz though..
Haha funny you don’t mention the Cardinals poor defense either…
by packallday555 on Jan 10, 2010 10:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
IF
Millions of us could see that it was a facemask ON TV, how did the Official who was only a few feet away and looking right at Rodgers not “see it” ??
So, here's some advice I wish I woulda got when I was your age: Live every week like it's Shark Week.
by snibbodmot on Jan 10, 2010 11:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It was
Ball or no Ball. You can’t pull a QB by his facemask until you can’t even see his eyes. You can’t pull a guys head. Period. That play was not even reviewed, by anyone. The Cards just rushed the field afterwards. I was pissed and shocked because I thought those fumble type plays always get reviewed in overtime. Anyway, good luck with T Jack next year or whoever….
by turd on Jan 10, 2010 11:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was at the game
I think they really struggled with crowd noise earlier. I didn’t see much in the first half, since the Packers couldn’t get past the 50 to the side I was on. After the first quarter, I was pretty much resigned to a loss. The fact that they managed to tie it up didn’t exactly make the loss any easier to swallow.
I’ll also say this: on the last play, I’m pretty sure half the stadium didn’t have a clue they had scored, or what had even happened. I sure couldn’t tell. I also couldn’t tell that Rackers missed the kick…
by bluejazz04 on Jan 10, 2010 9:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I was surprised when he shanked it.
I had resigned myself to a loss when I saw the Cardinals lining up to kick that field goal.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 9:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was actually walking up the stairs to head for the exist
I couldn’t even tell he’d missed it until I saw some of the Card fans reactions. Even if I’d been in my seat, I couldn’t tell if anyone had made or missed on that end all night.
by bluejazz04 on Jan 10, 2010 9:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Next week should be fun.
Cardinals @ Saints
Ravens @ Colts
Jets @ Chargers
Cowboys @ Vikings
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 9:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If I bother to watch
I’ll be rooting for the Saints
by bluejazz04 on Jan 10, 2010 10:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 10:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I love Warner
They proved that they were better than us tonight, and I’d love to see them whip up on Romo in the Championship Game. Plus, if they win, we can say we lost to the Champs in overtime.
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 10:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, looks like we're going to prepare for baseball season.
Good luck to the Brewers, Cubs, White Sox, or whoever your favorite team is (except the St. Louis Cardinals).
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 9:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yup
I’d say I’ll see you at BCB…but I’ll be at the other BCB…
by bluejazz04 on Jan 10, 2010 9:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I will definitely make sure to see you...
Right back here when next season starts!
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 9:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Except the Cards
I love it. They are the whiniest team in MLB.
by Zorakathura on Jan 10, 2010 10:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know there are nice Cardinals fans online,
But my dislike of St. Louis stems from an incident at Wrigley Field in July 2006.
The Cubs and Cardinals were playing each other, and after the game (Cubs won), Cardinals fans seated about 5 or 6 rows behind me started throwing chewing gum at Cubs fans. I was targeted, as well as several other fans near me.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 10:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My dislike stems from their belief that the Cards play the game the "right way"
And everyone else doesn’t.
by Zorakathura on Jan 10, 2010 10:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I really dislike La Russa
He just seems like one of the MLB’s “bad guys.” You know, like Alex Rodriguez, Barry Bonds, Milton Bradley, anyone who plays for the Phillies…
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 10:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It is my sincere hope
That the “untuck” sticks around next year just to piss them off
by bluejazz04 on Jan 10, 2010 10:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they'll keep doing it just to annoy the Cards.
The Brewers players love trolling LaRussa
by Zorakathura on Jan 10, 2010 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"untuck" shirts?
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 10:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
But Cameron started it…now that he’s gone…I hope they keep doing it anyway. Braun and Fielder seem to like it, so they probably will keep doing it.
by bluejazz04 on Jan 10, 2010 10:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Will the Red Sox start doing it now?
Cameron & Hall are both in Boston.
by Zorakathura on Jan 10, 2010 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They might do that actually.
The Red Sox seem to relish the image of being the rebels against the trim and class that the New York Yankees show.
To me, it’s all about ego, but to many up here, Red Sox vs. Yankees is about bragging rights, possibly more fierce than any other rivalry in baseball.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 10:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong
That would be the Philadelphia Phillies. I guess it depends on who you hate, huh?
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 10:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True
I should hate the Cubs more, most Brewer fans do. The Cards are just so annoying.
by Zorakathura on Jan 10, 2010 10:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The only time I went to a Cubs-Brewers game was at Miller Park in June 2007.
At the game, the Brewers were giving away visor hats as a promotion. I nearly took one.
After the game, I overheard a Brewers fan saying “How did a Cubs fan get my visor?” If I had indeed taken one, I would have given it to him.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 10:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thorouhgly believe
that you’re one of the few Cubs fans I could tolerate when they come to Miller Park. Every time I’ve been to a Brewers-Cubs game in the last few years, I have had beer spilled on me, the back of my seat kicked incessantly, and streams of obscenities emitted from the obnoxious Illinoisans behind me. And I think it gets worse when I take my 10-year old brother with me.
"Career highlights? I had two. I got an intentional walk from Sandy Koufax and I got out of a rundown against the Mets." - Bob Uecker
by texwestern on Jan 11, 2010 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeez, that's just terrible.
I believe thoroughly in sportsmanship, and when you are near an opposing team’s fans, you don’t treat them like that.
Especially when you’re a visiting fan.
I’m really sorry to hear they’ve treated you like that. Believe me, I’ve heard horror stories about Cubs fans in Houston, too.
Might it surprise you to know that I have never cursed while in attendance at a ball game?
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 11, 2010 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And this is a true story.
In September, I went to a Cubs game in San Francisco. Seated right behind was the loudest Giants fan I could have heard. At the beginning of the game, he said several things which really offended me a lot. I think some of the Cubs fans you talk about would have snapped and started pounding him.
But I didn’t. During the game, I did some scoreboard watching for him (Dodgers and Pirates game in Pittsburgh). After that, he and I started talking, and it turned out he was in fact a very nice guy, just cheering loudly for his team.
And after the game (Giants won), I turned around and congratulated him on San Francisco’s win.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 11, 2010 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can imagine Brewers fans have a lot of teams to hate
You have the Cubs and Cards to start, the Astros must have been annoying for years, you have to hate the big market clubs like the Yankees and Red Sox, and then if you are a real seasoned Brewers fan there are the AL clubs from the old days.
As for me? My vitriol goes Yankees, Phillies, Braves, Marlins, Dodgers, Cardinals (’06 will never be forgotten)
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 10:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can understand the hatred Brewers fans have for the Cubs.
Any time the Brewers host the Cubs, Miller Park (which routinely sells out) can have a pro-Cub crowd. I speak from personal experience when I say this.
At the game I was at, I would guess that the crowd was 55% Cubs fans, 45% Brewers fans. And this was in June 2007, with the Brewers leading the Cubs by 8.5 games in the NL Central race.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 10:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
We shouldn’t have to pay the price for Cubs fans putting up with a falling-apart stadium the rest of the season. That makes us surly too ;)
by bluejazz04 on Jan 10, 2010 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cincinnati Reds and San Diego Padres fans probably feel the same way.
Those stadiums fill up with Cubs fans whenever the Cubs are in town, too.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 10:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Mets always get a ton of fans in WAS and FLA
And of course we fill up Yankee Stadium. I was not aware that the Cubs had a ton of fans in San Diego…but I guess no one wants to root for the Padres.
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 10:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Went to a game in SD last August.
Worst bullpen collapse I’ve ever seen.
About half of the fans were Cubs fans.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 10:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't even think about talking to me about bullpen collapses
Just go back and watch every other game from the September 2008 Mets. That was nightmarish. 29 Blown Saves…unbelievable. I just can’t believe people think we choked away the division when Luis Ayala was our closer. We shouldn’t have even been there.
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 10:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In this game I went to,
The Cubs led, 1-0, with two outs and one on base in the bottom of the ninth. Without going to extra innings, the Padres walked off to win 4-1.
Kevin Gregg was the Cubs’ closer, he was demoted from that position the very next day.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 10:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's nothing
The Mets were up 5-2 against Philadelphia in the top of the ninth. Duaner Sanchez (yes, he was closing) allowed three straight singles. They brought in Joe Smith to put out the fire, and after I blinked, the Phillies were up 8-5. We got a run on Lidge but it didn’t matter.
Things like that happened routinely to that Mets team. They happened last year, too. BB-Rod was crap in the second half of the year.
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 10:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Although
I was also at a game where the Mets gave all their starters a day off against the Cubs. Chicago led 5-1 in the ninth and brought in Mike Wuertz to finish up the game. The Mets suddenly started pinch-hitting their regulars and came up with an incredible rally to win 6-5. So, I guess you do have bad bullpen experience.
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 10:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Colts fan here
Its a shame I missed such an exciting game (my friend wanted to go out, and i obliged). Kudos to the Pack for fighting back after a shaky start. Must have been a heart breaker in the end for you guys, but I see a great team in the making. A lot of young talent can go a long way
by metal_militia on Jan 10, 2010 9:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It was.
We had fans of numerous teams chatting with us throughout the game.
I expected another Colts fan to come by, but he never showed up. However, I saw a Giants fan at the end of the game. We had fans of the following teams chatting with us during the game:
Cowboys, 49ers, Buccaneers, Vikings (they were very nice tonight), Seahawks, Cardinals. Someone check to make sure I haven’t forgotten anyone.
Next week (Ravens @ Colts) should be a great game. Best of luck to your guys.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, forgotten!
There was also a Cleveland Browns fan who hung out in the game threads, too.
Offsetting this was a Carolina Panthers fan who got himself banned three times from APC tonight. That might be a single-night record.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 9:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How do you get "banned"
THREE times? Shouldn’t once be enough?
by bluejazz04 on Jan 10, 2010 10:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon kept kicking him off.
To say his posts were trollish would be an understatement.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 10:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They said that after '07, and look what happened
Good luck to you guys stopping Ray Rice, you are gonna need it.
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Final Wrap-up Thoughts
First of all, what a game. The adrenaline rush I felt watching this contest I haven’t felt watching a football game in a long time. Both offenses were incredible tonight, especially Green Bay’s, as I feel the Cardinals played much better defense than the Packers did. The game was just a lot of fun, period.
My knee-jerk reaction earlier was just that; a knee-jerk reaction. Do I really think this is a 7-9 club? No, of course not. It’s a 11-5 club with room for improvement. The team must draft an offensive lineman and two defensive backs with their first three draft picks. My hope is enough teams are concerned about Taylor Mays’ injury that he slips to us, but I doubt that will happen. Donovan Warren would be a nice selection at #23, and he and Woodson both went to Michigan.
This team is capable of great things, but I do feel that it is very possible that they will underperform next year, and if they do, McCarthy should get the axe. One playoff win in five years is, in my mind, not enough to deserve a job as an NFL head coach. Hopefully this scenario is avoided and MM leads the Pack to the promised land. That’s why they play the games, I guess.
The Cardinals were flat-out better tonight. I don’t think anyone will disagree with that. I wish them the best of luck throughout the playoffs and I will be rooting for them (or the Jets) to win the Super Bowl. Although really, as long as it’s not the Vikings, I’ll live. Congrats to Arizona, and a pat on the back for the Green Bay offense for sticking it out. Better luck next year!
GO PACK GO!
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 10:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Cards had their shot last year
I’ll be rooting for the Saints
by bluejazz04 on Jan 10, 2010 10:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One thing that hasn't been mentioned in this thread
Is the performances of Finley & Jennings. They both had great games.
by Zorakathura on Jan 10, 2010 11:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Discounting the early interception and the fumble at the end,
Rodgers also had a great game.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 11:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No argument from me.
I posted his stat line earlier. It’s ridiculous.
by Zorakathura on Jan 10, 2010 11:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Everything clicked into place and then came falling down...
We wont even discuss the whole first quarter. As the Pack must have watched the Raven- Patriots game. The Pack clearly did not get out of the hotel until the second quarter.
The D was horrible all around. Woodson made a nice play on the strip but other than that he was alittle over matched with the help of a few push offs by Fitz. The DL was not the DL that pushed the starting AZ OL around last week. The secondary will need alot of help this offseason. I think Tramon is good but he still needs some mental work.
The O battled back after such a rough start. It was incredible to see the heart they showed. But the problems that were such a pain in the ass in the begining of the year resurfaced, penalties negating good gains and the blocking. Rodgers played a hell of a game. Setting a team record for pass yards in a playoff game. Finley proved the point that he will be an outstanding player for us. Jennings had some unbelievable grabs! I thought the come from behind W was in the books when we got in in OT, but AZ’s D who took a 45 minute break showed back up. The way we lost is painful to swallow, but the thing I think is the worst part is the O was on the field. And that gives people a reason to blame Rodgers. When in reality I believe the guy came off the edge untouched! Nothing he really he could do. He played an amazing game with the few exceptions. And just a little reminder there was a great GB QB that lost his first playoff game and then went on to win 9 in a row with a few championships in there. If you dont know what QB that is with the FEW championship reference then take a look in the 60s not 90s
by bizzle4 on Jan 10, 2010 11:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I more thing to ponder.
What if we had gone for 2 on the last TD?
by Zorakathura on Jan 10, 2010 11:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
if we fail everyone calls for MM's head
by bizzle4 on Jan 10, 2010 11:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Cards
found an answer for Clay though, which worries me for next year. They doubled, had a RB assigned to him the whole game. Capers made no adjustments to get pressure. Then Jerrett Bush getting burned all game long(again)
by turd on Jan 10, 2010 11:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
They went to Jarrett.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 11:52 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
This has been posted before tonight, I'm sure.
by nymgb44 on Jan 10, 2010 11:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's still funny
So, here's some advice I wish I woulda got when I was your age: Live every week like it's Shark Week.
by snibbodmot on Jan 11, 2010 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I see what you did there.
And I am amused.
"Career highlights? I had two. I got an intentional walk from Sandy Koufax and I got out of a rundown against the Mets." - Bob Uecker
by texwestern on Jan 11, 2010 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone watching ESPN?
Lights out on Stuart Scott, no joke. He was delivering his introduction to a story, and the light above him burned out.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 10, 2010 11:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He was introducing Lightning-Devils with John Anderson. Here's the dialogue after he noticed the light went out.
SS: “Hey, hello? Guys, what’s up? Can I finish telling the story? John, I need some help here.”
JA: “Do I look like an electrician to you?”
SS: “Uh, kind of, a little.”
JA: “Come over here, the light’s perfect over here.”
SS: “I see!”
JA: “Not a problem, huh?”
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 11, 2010 12:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And he proceeds to look around with his arms raised,
As if to say “What is going on here?”
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 11, 2010 12:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cincy fan here
too bad you guys lost today but the way Rodgers played should have you all pretty excited for the coming years. The Packers have a bunch of young players and the future looks bright.
by pedro_oliveira on Jan 11, 2010 12:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gutsy effort
To stick around in this game after falling behind in such heartbreaking fashion and respond by tying it up at 38 was pure guts. After watching New Englad shrivel up and die after falling behind 14-0, I felt like that’s exactly what was going to happen to the Pack.
I honestly can’t pin any of this on MM, IMHO he had an excellent performance calling the plays.
The onside kick? Absolute perfection.
The 4th and 5 call to Jones that ended up a TD? Excellent call.
Even the first play in OT deep to Jennings WORKED, Rodgers just lasered the throw a little bit.
I’m disappointed in the D’s effort in general, but not enough can be said about Charles Woodson. He was sublime. His forced fumble on Fitzgerald changed the flow of the game, and he skied up to tip a pass in the 4th that was absolute otherworldly.
Shame it had to end like this, I really, really liked the makeup of the team this year.
Go Pack!
So Handsome.
by Archimedies on Jan 11, 2010 3:03 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Great post!
I have to tell you, I hope brandon opens up a “Monday blues” thread…I am so down on this result, precisely because this team is gutsy and made up of so many warriors
by PackFaninFL on Jan 11, 2010 6:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes that onside kick call was brilliant
I’m no fan of MM in general, but that call was the best call I’ve seen by an NFL coach in a long time. Literally, nothing to lose tat that point. It was pretty clear that the Cards had a 90%+ chance to score whether you gave them the ball at the 20 or at the 50, os why not roll the dice and take the > 25% odds that you don’t give them the ball at all?
Brilliant. Almost won the game, I’ll go so far to say. If they don’t try that, I don’t think they would have ever had the chance to win.
by puddnhead on Jan 11, 2010 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree. I wasn’t even expecting it. I looked away for a minute and suddenly I hear “and GB recovers.”
by TrevorR on Jan 11, 2010 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I still can't believe
That it was Underwood….UNDERWOOD that came up with the recovery. That had to be the most perfect On-Side ever
by bluejazz04 on Jan 11, 2010 10:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha Crosby isn’t a great FG kicker but he is a great onside kicker!
by packallday555 on Jan 11, 2010 11:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
...
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jan 11, 2010 7:07 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
At least the game was entertaining
Unlike the rest of the weekends one sided games. Sucks to be one and done, and I bet the NFL and FOX (Or NBC, not sure who gets what) are really upset they won’t get to see Favregeddon 3 but there’s always next year, and if not, then the year after that.
by Charlie Kelly on Jan 11, 2010 10:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
my only officiating bitch / draft needs
Was the dual botch job on the mythical Roughing the Passer plus Offensive Pass Interference non-call in the Fitzgerald TD.
On the RTP: Jenkins was clearly getting tackled into Warner. Should have been a Holding call. Can’t call RTP when someone’s pushing you into the QB.
On the OPI: How in the HELL do they let Fitzgerald completely run over Woodson and not throw the flag for OPI? I mean, seriously.
Still, even after all that, it was an absolutely HORRIBLE game defensively for us. The Cardinals earned their trip to New Orleans. Kudos.
The Draft
This game further pointed out how the secondary has to be a huge priority in the draft and free agency. We need at least one solid CB (but probably two), a S that can stay on the field (cough Bigby cough), and maybe an ILB that can cover the underneath passes in the middle of the field.
We also are in desperate need of Tackle help and a replacement for Colledge. The only good thing about that guy is his tattoo artist.
Lastly, we need a real KR specialist. Might be able to get a twofer from one of the secondary players.
by swilldog on Jan 11, 2010 11:34 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
tough loss
I’m a Vikings fan, and so I’m supposed to find SOME glee in the outcome of this game, but gosh. I felt bad last night. That’s a rough way to lose a game.
If I were a Packers fan, I’d feel lucky that Arizona missed the field goal at the end of the 4th and mad at Rodgers for wasting an opportunity by overthrowing an open Jennings in OT.
by peterplaysbass on Jan 11, 2010 1:35 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for not coming in to gloat. I wish there were more like you man.
by TrevorR on Jan 11, 2010 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I especially like it
when they come on a day after a LIVE thread to trash what everyone says. People type what they see during a live thread, they don’t wait a day and come in a trash people like these losers do. What are they like aspiring sportswriters?? get a fricken life.
by turd on Jan 11, 2010 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bingo!!
So, here's some advice I wish I woulda got when I was your age: Live every week like it's Shark Week.
by snibbodmot on Jan 11, 2010 4:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm also a vikings fan
and I think the Pack has a LOT to look forward to (in terms of fielding very good teams) for the forseeable future.
by IlinoisVike on Jan 11, 2010 4:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I mentioned you over at DN.
My way of thanking you for being so classy in the threads the other day.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 12, 2010 12:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, man!
That was a classy post…
by IlinoisVike on Jan 12, 2010 7:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys probably all know this,
but we Seahawks fans were cheering pretty darn heavily for you guys. It’s a shame that a possible penalty (was that a facemask on Rodgers on the last play? I missed that part but from what I’ve read it sounds like there was) could cost a team a game and even more so when it’s a playoff game. But, like others have said, you have some young players including at two of the most important positions in Rodgers and Grant. You should be fine (unlike us! ; ) ) And, if Favre actually retires at the end of the season, I wouldn’t be surprised if you won the division next year. So, uh, keep your chin up and get ready to watch both the Vikings and Cardinals get trounced.
A Mariners fan in Seattle
by Coach Owens on Jan 11, 2010 10:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That was a questionable no-call.
However, the play before it was a blatant roughing the passer against Arizona, which was not called even though the Cardinals defender put his facemask into Aaron Rodgers’ chin and drove him backwards.
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 12, 2010 12:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and thanks for your support!
Feel free to stop by whenever you like!
"I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart."
-Anne Frank-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 12, 2010 12:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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