Spin, Spin, Spin: NFL Says No Facemask Call
by Brandon on Jan 14, 2010 12:42 AM CST
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PrintFrom Mike McCarthy's season-ending press conference:
I think anytime you're sitting around waiting on calls to win football games, you're in a mode of excuses.
Absolutely. The Green Bay Packers lost to the Cardinals because their defense collapsed. It was their worst performance against the run since week 2 against RB Cedric Benson, or week 3 against RB Steven Jackson. QB Kurt Warner threw 33 passes and only 4 were incomplete. And he did it by using players who had been quiet all season long (WR Steve Breaston with a career high 125 receiving yards, and WR Early Doucet who caught all 6 passes thrown his way (including 2 TDs) had only 32 career receptions entering the game). Nobody in the secondary stepped up and made a play, except for CB Charles Woodson who had one pass defense and forced a fumble. The pass rush didn't get to Warner, but he also got rid of the ball quick because the receivers were completely uncovered at times. Ken Whisenhunt knew how to attack the Packers' defense and he drew up the perfect game plan the Packers couldn't stop, but that was more bad defense than great offense.
However this is crap from head official Mike Periera:
Mike Pereira, the league’s vice president of officiating, said on the show "Total Access" on the NFL Network that after reviewing the replay, Adams grasped but didn’t twist or pull Rodgers’ facemask to warrant a penalty.
I've never seen a replay where someone's facemask is grabbed, touched, brushed in anyway at all and no flag is thrown. This is the NFL's Year of the Concussion, but grabbing (no twisting mind you) of another player's head is OK? QB Aaron Rodgers's head didn't move at all while he was hit by CB Michael Adams? Is that really the NFL's policy?
The game isn't going to be replayed. The Cardinals will still travel to New Orleans this weekend. Just admit someone missed a call and move on.
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The Packers got screwed.
Larry Fitzgerald comes out in the open field and blasts into Charles…I mean just lays him out…turns and catches a TD pass from Warner. There is no “incidental facemask” penalty anymore. You grab someones facemask, you get flagged and 15 yards, period. McCarthy should have thrown the flag and anything else that was red that he could get his hands on onto the field and considering where we were playing that should have been plenty! Our defense was utterly deplorable, but so was the Cardinals. It really sucks how we lost the game!
You can accidentally brush a runner
But you cannot a passer. If you make ANY contact above the neck to a passer, it’s a penalty. Period.
Seriously
Can we protest this or something? I don’t want the outcome of the game changed, I’m just pissed off the NFL won’t admit the officiating was a crock of shit.
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This show supposed to be call "Total Bullshit", not "Total Access"
If Pereira won’t admit referees made mistakes, what the point of the show? I completely agree with Brandon that the loss is the Packers’ fault and not the refs’. But this is just ridiculous.
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Pereira
If he’s talking, he’s lying…
Shut your festering gob, you tit! Your type really makes me puke you vacuous, toffy-nosed, malodorous pervert!
Do you want all games to call these type of penalties?
Do you want these type of penalties to always be called in every game? Is that what you are asking for?
By “these type of penalties” I’ll describe what I’m saying by using these criteria.
1. Had no impact on the outcome of the play. (The ball was dislodged and loose before the hand touched the facemask).
2. A single finger is seen on the facemask / head of the QB. (Are you ready for Tom Brady, Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, Jay Cutler to have flags showering them everytime something heavier than a finger comes in contact with their helmet?
3. A non-call. Do you want to open the can of worms to review plays to look for uncalled penalties that did not impact the action of the play while it was happening? (We’ll be able to call holding on every play).
I subscribe to numerous Packer blogs, and it’s been constant harping about this NON-CALL for days. Worst of all, it didn’t impact the action on the field. The impact is only if they happened to feel it was a call, which it wasn’t.
Keep this in mind Packer fans, your complaining is asking for MORE knit-picking protection of the QB than we already have. When most of the league is sick of the numerous penalties protecting the QB, you’re asking for more. What happened to Packer fans asking teams to “Let the players play!”?
by Dan Blackandbluedivision.com on Jan 14, 2010 9:08 AM CST reply actions
1. Please share with us the video of the play where Rodgers wasn’t facemasked and Arizona still scored. Until you produce that, your statement is hypothetical.
2. It’s the rule. I didn’t have a problem with GB being called with it earlier, because it is a rule. Yes, I want equal and consistent enforcement of the rules, as any true fan should. If the rule is wrong, change it. Don’t selectively enforce it.
3. Holding is a subjective call. A hand touching the facemask of a passer is not. You either have a shot of the hand in the facemask, or you don’t. And as you can see, there are several shots of the hand clearly in the facemask. I am not advocating for reviewing penalties like this, but it was blatant, there are numerous video shots of the foul, and the league continues to deny it.
The Non Call changed the game. The penalty not only would’ve removed the score, but it would have been first down for the Packers because foul occurred before Arizona established possession of the ball. That’s why the league is denying everything.
by Danwood on Jan 14, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Keep this in mind Packer fans, your complaining is asking for MORE knit-picking protection of the QB than we already have. When most of the league is sick of the numerous penalties protecting the QB, you’re asking for more. What happened to Packer fans asking teams to "Let the players play!"?
While I get what your saying, the reality is these Qb’s are going to continue to get these kit-pick calls for them. There not going to go away, there only going to get worse, especially as people start to learn more and more about concussions. The fact remains Warner got a call earlier for Cullen Jenkins making contact with his face. Rodgers had contact made to his face, and that’s not disputable. I personally don’t like all the penalties called for the Qb’s, which I pointed out in another thread on this site, but the reality is the refs are going to call these penalties. They need to be consistent with them, and in that wildcard game they were not.
by packallday555 on Jan 14, 2010 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What about the play before where the defender hit Rodgers in the facemask with the crown of his helmet?
"I agree but dont agree"
by juggernaut400 on Jan 14, 2010 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
1. Does this mean that any time there’s a holding call that is away from the play it won’t get called? Cause if it does then I might be able to get on board with it, but I’m holding my breath
2. When does this NOT happen? Every QB (especially the name guys, which Rodgers is now one of btw) gets a flag if a finger comes close to his helmet. Its always the case.
3. This is the same point as #1. No idea why you mentioned it again.
Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb
strange
but some of the greatest playoff games of the decade have extremely questionable calls that were either made or not made. I guess when two teams are evenly matched in the playoffs, a bad call (or non-call) can make a difference.
See:
-Packers / Cardinals 2010
-49ers / Giants 2002
-Patriots / Raiders 2001
-Titans / Steelers 2002
- Steelers / Colts 2005
Wrong
1. What you’re saying is irrelevant because the defense is NOT allowed to touch the QB’s head. Rodgers hadn’t brought the ball into his body and started running so he’s still a passer not a runner and can’t be hit in any way above the shoulders by the defense…the rules are different for quarterbacks, It doesn’t matter if he fumbled or threw a pick, they can’t touch or hit Rodgers in the head…before, during or after the play…
2. Again, Adams is committing a personal foul by grabbing Rodgers by the facemask and taking him down…watch the replay, the NFL and some commenters on here are trying to say Rodgers head doesn’t move-but it does and it moves a lot. I’ve seen us get called for personal fouls for doing less to Brett Favre this YEAR and Kurt Warner in THIS game…and remember they can’t touch or hit Rodgers in the head…
3. Had the play gone to the replay booth, the replay official, by rule, could not have pointed out the facemask penalty during his review. They’re not allowed to look for uncalled penalties.
It absolutely affected the action on the field!!! The Cardinals won on this play because of this “non-call”. The QB gets hit in the head, the referee (Scott Green) has to call a penalty! He’s looking right at Rodgers-that’s his job! He has a LONG list of bad calls and bad non-calls like this. Google Scott Green’s bad calls and see what you get…3,670,000 hits. Do it with Ed Hochuli and you get 41,300…hmmm. In addition he calls right about the average penalties per game for an NFL referee BUT, he frequently has games where he and his crew call 13 on team A and 2 on Team B…it adds up to the average BUT….he has had over 67 % of his calls that were reviewed overturned in the last 2 years.
Arizona won. Time to move on. BUT, get your facts straight. The winning TD scored on a referees blunder. We PACKER fans have every right to be pissed for however long it takes to get over it. Scott Green is incompetent and can’t perform his job properly and hopefully will be fired.
Shut your festering gob, you tit! Your type really makes me puke you vacuous, toffy-nosed, malodorous pervert!
by snibbodmot on Jan 14, 2010 11:04 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
2nd & 10
Did Mike Pereira have anything to say about the head shot of Rodgers on 2nd & 10 that was also missed?
Just a thought!!!!
As a Packers fan, I think this non-call is complete BS in the fact it wasn’t called. Even if it wasn’t by rule a facemask penalty, you can not touch or hit a QB in anyway shape or form in the head!!!!! It’s that simple, we got called for the same thing earlier in this game. All we are asking for is some consistency, that’s it!!!!!!!!! Maybe this is the refs way of trying to force the NFL into making that job, a full time job, meaning year round. They have been trying to get that in their contract for years!!!! I hope that the Superbowl isn’t decided by something like this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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