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Brett Favre: Choke Artist

I'd like to take a few moments reflecting on what it's like to be a lifelong, die hard, no holds barred Viking fan. For your entire life, you've lived and died with every Vikings win and loss. You've had to deal with incompetent coaches, diva players, and heartbreaking losses. Your teams most memorable moments of the modern era are Super Bowl losses, not wins. You are stuck rooting for a team that has almost been unable to build a new and desperately needed stadium. Worst of all, you're stuck in a division with two of the most historically significant football clubs of all time, and even though you have had 18 divisional championships (in the top 5 all time), you have never won the big game. 

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Whew, now that that exercise is over, some thoughts on the later game yesterday. As franchises, and personal bias aside, it would have been great for either team to make it to the Super Bowl yesterday. Both the Saints and Vikings certainly deserved to be there, and the game was kept close despite an inordinate amount of turnovers from a certain teams' star running back. A Colts-Vikings Super Bowl would have been just as exciting as a Colts-Saints one is going to be.

I've had some serious problems, however, with alot of the ways the game yesterday is being used. I've never been a Favre homer by any means, but I am certainly more in the camp of apathy. If there is a reason I dislike him, it's solely for the mass critique of Thompson and McCarthy that he brought upon the organization, rather than his desire to play elsewhere. From the start, I've been in favor of Rodgers taking the reins. If Favre wanted to continue playing, regardless of who it was for, that was his right.

For what it's worth, people still continue comparing Rodgers fumble and Favre's interception. I believe they are completely different scenarios, and not for choke value in either case. Since this is more a discussion of the game yesterday, I'm going to ignore the fumble that ended the Packers season, save for the fact that it's ridiculous to claim in any serious argument that Rodgers intentionally 'kicked' anything.

Favre's interception, on the other hand, was a perfect realization of his career in a nutshell. The entire game saw him getting beat up, taking hit after hit, and continuing to keep his team in the game. At times he played brilliantly, at times he looked like the 40 year old he is, and at times he looked completely clueless. The last play the Vikings ran brought about a familiar Favre, but to put this on a list of 'top Brett Favre chokes in the playoffs' is insane. The game was tied, there were some stupid penalties, and regardless of whether or not Favre had the ability to run 5-6 yards, a field goal is still no guarantee. He had to pass. If this interception is returned for a TD, I believe this is a different discussion entirely. The game was likely going to overtime regardless of whether or not the interception was thrown, and as much as I dislike Favre, it's not fair to blame the loss on him, and it's not fair or sensible for anyone to say Favre choked.

As a Packer fan, it'd be great if I could jump on the bandwagon, ragging Viking fans for Brett Favre, saying things like 'I told you so', enjoying the offseason with our division-mates safely in end of season meetings, but thinking about how Vikings fans must feel (and I'm talking die hard, life long fans of the Vikings), we'd be doing ourselves and them a disservice. Brett Favre didn't lose the game- the team did. The same team that looked unstoppable during the regular season and last week was downright mortal last night. The same 40 year old with endless energy and youthful vigor suddenly looked like he was Mickey Rourke in The Wrestler. The team turned the ball over five times, and barely escaped having more, and it was enjoyable to watch.

With that, lets look forward to a great Super Bowl. The Vikings are reeling right now, and the annual Brett Favre decision festival is about to be in full swing. Let's not insult ourselves here and on the DN message boards posting idiotic comments about Favre 'choking'. It was really great to watch the Vikings lose, and to see Favre finally show some age, but I think it's fair to leave it at that. I can tell you from alot of browsing today that their main complaints after last night are the referees and tunrovers. At least one of those complaints hits a little too close to home.

Let's hope that Favre finally decides to retire. Not only will it leave us in prime position to win the NFC north consistently, it'll put an end to a career that's been exciting, beautiful, tough, and in the end- a bit sad.

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I don’t think they disgrace the team or the fans. They have the right to decide if they want to put a player ahead of the team. I think that is crazy personally but that is their call.

I’ve watched the Packers a LOT longer than you. I was born 13 years prior to you being born so I do know other QBs before Favre and I’ll know a lot more after him (God willing). I don’t consider Favre to be the devil or anything but I certainly don’t/won’t cheer for him.

I don’t think the Packers were without fault in the FAvre thing…they both played cards wrong at times…but I support my team and I think they made the right call honestly.

by TrevorR on Jan 26, 2010 12:48 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I was desperately hoping

for a Packers and Vikings rematch in the playoffs, with the Packers winning this time around. I wonder if Brett would be as gracious in that loss as he seemed to be in the earlier victories. In the end, it never happened.

When Green Bay lost a couple weeks back, it left me a little disenchanted with the playoffs. I thought there were some bad calls that helped Arizona that game (just one example, Fitzgerald was obviously guilty on at least two big plays of blatant pass interference), and I thought that after Rodgers and company fought back, they should’ve been the team advancing. It reminded me of too many times the Colts had their season ended in the postseason when I thought they were the better team who had some bad breaks. That loss in Arizona almost left me too depressed to be excited about the rest of this postseason.

I for one am glad that Favre and the Vikings exited yesterday. First, I respect the Saints (and love Brees – Boiler up!). Second, the Packers fan in me was dreading the hype and inuendos about the Packers organization during the two upcoming weeks if Favre was heading for Miami. Ugh.

I believe it will be Aaron Rodgers day before we know it. Go Packers!

by coltsfanawalt on Jan 26, 2010 1:13 AM CST reply actions  

You have valid points...

But you have to remember that given all those, the game should have been over on the first play of OT. Rodgers straight up dropped the ball (pun intended) and overthrew jennings on what would have almost guaranteed to be a TD. That’s not to hold anything against Rodgers who was a warrior and had a wonderful game. Just saying that at the end of the day, we gotta make sure we take certain responsibility for certain mistakes.

by dchoubak on Jan 26, 2010 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

It's a game.

Nothing more. Nothing less. With that being said, I’m gone fishing like the Viking Bar on the west bank. SKOL!!!

by KC612 on Jan 26, 2010 9:57 AM CST reply actions  

I believe that

at the level of play Aaron Rodgers in exhibiting in only his second year starting, his young age, and the talent ( not to mention young talent) around him, he will give us a chance to compete in multiple Super Bowls. I feel this year was essentially supposed to be a building season and we were still in the super bowl conversation after clinching a playoff birth. And, with the aging Vikings, a Bears team experiencing lots of confusion and disappointment (and no draft picks), and a Lions team thats doesn’t seem to be going anywhere for a while, we should have a good shit at the division and playoffs each year. Also, not too say some young guys won’t step up, but with the departure of Favre, McNabb, and Warner in the next few years the conference should get a little easier.

by justinlewis on Jan 26, 2010 10:18 AM CST reply actions  

Definitely Agree

If you look at what many would call the top quarterbacks in the league (Manning, Brady, Favre, Warner, Rivers) only Rivers is likely to be around longer than about 7 years. There’s no reason to think that Aaron Rodgers won’t be the best quarterback in the league in the near future. And with a young receiver like Jennings to throw to, the Packers will be a contender for a long time.

by mnbrewer on Jan 26, 2010 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Moving on

mnbrewer you’re an idiot. BF showed all year long he’s still an elite QB at 40. His best year stat wise is proof enough. As a fan that watched the pack suffer for decades, you have no idea what he’s really done for the pack franchise. You’ve never known the Browns to be winners either, but that franchise is historic every bit as much as the pack. Ever heard of Jim Brown? Start looking at the history of the league, and the pack. You might learn that great players are great, regardless of where and when they decide to hang it up. (example… Jerry Rice) Not every HOF player gets to go out on top, much less with a SB win. If he plays next year, so be it. BF for all his greatness, will always be associated with making big plays, and big mistakes. That’s what has made him so much fun to watch for the better part of your life. I will always be a packer fan, but I will always support Brett because he’s earned that.

by ltpf on Jan 28, 2010 9:18 AM CST reply actions  

What’s truly idiotic is denigrating the rational reactions of Packer fans because Brett did a lot for the Packers franchise before he retired (and then unretired) or simply because he’s still playing at an amazingly competitive level. To many Packers fans, those facts pale in comparison to how he manipulated his way onto a division rival and cast dispersions upon the character of Thompson and McCarthy on his way to doing so.

Exactly. He showed his true character when he realized he was going to get his way like he the past 3-4 years and really is was sickening to me to see. I always pictured him as that selfless guy, who is all about his teammates and having fun but he was the exact opposite of that during the offseason. Watching him this year playing with the Vikings, and hearing some of the things he said made me lose just that much more respect for him.

Brett Favre is the quarterback for my least favorite team. All of his past accomplishments for the Packers cannot change that simple fact, so I dislike him and root for his professional failure. I don’t understand why this is such a complicated thought process for you Favre apologists.

Brett Favre is God, duh!

by packallday555 on Jan 28, 2010 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I’ve been watching football for a LONG time. Here is the problem. Jerry Rice wasn’t great whereever he went. He moved onto Oakland and was marginal, then went to Seattle and was almost non-existant. Did it affect how people perceived him at the time? Yes. Long term? Not much. Emmitt Smith is another example of the same. Should have hung it up when the Cowboys were done. Instead he went onto the Cards and pissed his fans off. He was a VERY average back there…not great at all.

I will always enjoy watching highlights of his days as a packer but I won’t support him no matter what he does. That is ridiculous. If he went Chumura on us, would you still support him because “he’s earned it”? He’s a great piece of Packer history, he brought me a lot of joy as a packer fan over the last two decades but that doesn’t mean I have to support everything he does. That is just childish to tell us we should.

by TrevorR on Jan 29, 2010 9:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I remember this
Emmitt Smith is another example of the same. Should have hung it up when the Cowboys were done. Instead he went onto the Cards and pissed his fans off. He was a VERY average back there…not great at all

I think he ended up signing with the Cowboys and playing in one game or something so he could retire as a Cowboy. All was forgiven in Dallas it appears.

by Packerfan045 on Jan 29, 2010 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Yup…it was and I think it will even be here eventually though Emmitt leaving Dallas was not a volitile situation like it was here since he was an FA, he didn’t retire, and he didn’t go to a division rival. I highly doubt many Cowboy fans became Cardinal fans either. He’s AS important a player to that team as Favre was to us.

…Favre also played at a MUCH higher level after he left us than Emmitt did as a Card.

by TrevorR on Jan 29, 2010 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Coming to AZ wasn't that much of a change

for Emmit. At that time there were as many Dallas fans as there were Cards fans. That is not a joke or an exaggeration. It was pretty sad really. After going to the SB they finally were able to create a homefield advantage. I have lived here for over 20 years and nobody really supported the Cards. It’s a little different now but as you know Warner retired and I am sure they going to have some rough years ahead. It will be interesting to see what happens.

by Packerfan045 on Jan 29, 2010 7:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah that is true I suppose. I remember watching when GB and AZ would play and literally I think the Packers had more fans in the stands at those games! haha Glad AZ got a more loyal fanbase now…its helped my eBay business too which is nice!

by TrevorR on Jan 29, 2010 9:28 PM CST up reply actions  

All I can say

is that if you put the accomplishments of Favre ahead of the accomplishments of the team then you are not a Packer fan, you are a Favre fan. Believe me, there are plenty of them out there.

by mnbrewer on Jan 29, 2010 3:38 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Also

400metres, thanks for having my back :)

by mnbrewer on Jan 29, 2010 9:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Choke Arteest

Mr Brent didn’t cause the Vikings to lose, but he did take away their ability to win the game

"I don't know how a guy gets single covered in that situation when you're dropping eight men," Tony Dungy, 12/20/09

by PackaCracka on Jan 28, 2010 10:10 AM CST reply actions  

That says it perfectly

Frye is honestly gotta be one of the top 10 3rd Stringers in all of the NFL right now--colbyb

by verno329 on Jan 28, 2010 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Packer Backer Since 1966...

I was 5 and sitting on my father’s lap the 1st Time I saw Bart Star throw a TD pass… & QB sneak his way into the history books… I was HOOKED FOR LIFE!! I remember asking my father a 100 questions… I remember him saying… Sit still (Which I COULDN’T) and watch the game! He did answer all 100 questions… and I grew up to be his High School QB… He was the best coach I ever had in any sport… Including college and over seas… I didn’t have much physical talent besides being Tough, Smart, and able to throw very well… I wasn’t very big… or really fast… My point is… when the Packers went through all those Lean YEARS… I was always FAN! As a QB… when I watched other games I rooted for QB’s… Roger, Terry, Ron, Dan, Dan, Kenny, Joe, John etc… etc… I rooted for them to make big plays… To bring their team from behind… To show what they were made of… To be honest… I was on my way home from guiding a quail hunt in 2004 when Brent (Just happens to be my name too…) threw that horrendous INT against the Eagles… I was listening to it on the radio… I wanted Brent to retire after that… After 2007, I had had enough!!!! Too many disappointments… Too many bad decisions… I was soooo happy Brent was traded… Enter Aaron Rodgers… He is on pace to reserve a spot in Canton…

      Last week… Vikes vs. Saints… I wasn’t surprised to see Brent throw across his body for the INT and crush his Fan Base’s Dreams AGAIN… I expected it…!!!!!!!

Needless to say… I was rooting for DREW to bring his team down in OT… I wish games weren’t decided by kickers… (A TOPIC FOR ANOTHER TIME!!) but, I was elated to see the Saints going to the Super Bowl… and the Vikes GOING HOME!!

LET’s DRAFT WELL… and I pray Brent comes back… I’d love to sweep them with BRENT as their QB!!!!!!!!!!

by Bird Dog Uni on Jan 30, 2010 9:17 AM CST reply actions  

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