Packers Game Ball: Packers Fall In Overtime to Redskins, 16-13
by Brandon on Oct 10, 2010 3:50 PM CDT
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I could have gone with a poll asking who was the most valuable player on the Green Bay Packers to have been injured and not returned during the game (TE Jermichael Finley, DE Ryan Pickett, LB Clay Matthews and TE Donald Lee would have been my choices), but I'm keeping it positive and handing out a game ball instead. Matthews is still nominated for what he did before he injured his hamstring in the middle of the second half.
One thing I'm upset about (besides the injuries) was the bad decision by Mike McCarthy to call a QB sneak on 3rd and goal, and then go for it on 4th down instead of kicking a FG. I hate walking away from points (and any decision that leads to QB Aaron Rodgers getting hit) and he did them both. It could have turned this loss into a win.
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Agreed.
Matthews just had cramps, right? Why on earth was he out when we needed him most? Was out for a majority of the 2nd half.
From the sounds of things, it's not just cramps
I’ve been hearing rumblings of a hamstring injury. I hope it’s just a rumor though.
cramps
Don’t force you to sit a playmaker like Matthews for almost 3/4 of the game! Had to have been a re-aggrivation of the Hamstring that cost him most of training camp!
Umm,
definitely did not sit for 3/4 of the game. He was taken out sometime in the second half.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
Cramps my arse
you get cramps, you go stretch em out and get some fluids and go back in 5 min later. He sat rest of game. It’s more serious than cramps. Not good, friends.
I really have no idea
who to vote for in this one. Out of those listed I had to go w/ BJack who looked good when he got to run. Can’t vote for Clay, he didnt’ play when we needed him most (which I know shows his value, but he can’t be the most valuable if he’s not on the field)
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 10, 2010 3:57 PM CDT reply actions
Kudos to the Redskins D
After racking up 150 yards of passing in the first quarter and a half, and giving up a big run by jackson, they adjusted and played well.
Same with our defense. WE were decimated and we showed we have QUALITY depth.
Honorable mention to Andrew Quarless. I also though he may have drawn a PI call on that 4th and goal. Made the biggest catch and run after of the game, but unfortunately Mason just missed the winning FG.
Packers Offense
Had a large game plan for the TE’s today… Missing Finley for the entire game and same for Lee certainly cost the Packers alot of the game plan today! Its just not that easy to say you have to adjust when you spend the entire week game planning to use the TE’s alot and then your left w/ NONE!!!
As far as the 3rd and goal 4th and goal
I can’t fault MM for going for it, but I can fault him for the play selection. Play action on 3rd then power w/ Kuhn (not Aaron) up the gut on 4th. I know hindsight is 20/20 and it’d be nice to have those points after the fact, but at the point the offense was moving really well and you have to expect them to get in w/ 2 shots, which should’ve been 6 shots due to the non-called Def PI which was more blatant than anything in over time (he never turned around)
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 10, 2010 4:00 PM CDT reply actions
D-line
was fantastic, considering no pickett and the d-league linebackers
What a game! I knew we left them hanging around too long. Dammita!
"Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."
Vince Lombardi
by CaliSeth on Oct 10, 2010 4:01 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Corection; dammit!
"Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."
Vince Lombardi
by CaliSeth on Oct 10, 2010 4:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think the fans should get the game ball
After last weeks heart attack on air, I’m surprised there’s anyone here still alive.
It might be my fault, (cal bears fan here) we seem to lose the same way!
"Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."
Vince Lombardi
by CaliSeth on Oct 10, 2010 4:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
As a CA Packer fan,
I hardly ever get to watch this team on tv and the last three times have been miserable performances. Sigh.
Same here
I also live in CA and don’t get to watch the games. And the ones that I have gotten to watch, they have been terrible
I live in the CA also. Comcast fox wasn’t working! So I had to go to bar. Bad idea after the way the Pack didn’t finish!
"Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."
Vince Lombardi
by CaliSeth on Oct 10, 2010 4:10 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
i live in alaska and i haven’t missed a game in years.
just gotta find the nearest packer bar, they’re evertwhere
I lived in Alaska for awhile. The 1 pm game was on at 9:00 am. You could watch a game and still have the rest of your day. It was great. I never went to a bar to watch though. Is there a lot of drinking at that time of the morning?
I watch at the same Anchorage bar as fn_cold_ak (The Peanut Farm).
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TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!
posted before I was finished
Game starts at nine; they can legally start serving beer at ten.
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TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!
I don't care that people will hate this, but the ref's killed this game for us
A bad no holding call that cost the Pack a safety, and two no call PIs in the endzone on 4th and inches? That should have been at least 2 more points, if not 7, and overtime never would have happened.
Even if the defensive penalties were earned, we still should have won.
And for the first time I disagree with MM’s game calling strategy. He really should have kicked it when he’s already up by 10 points, and not go for the TD on 4th down.
I said it in the OT thread
Did we play a good game. Not by any means. The defense was great all things considered but the offense was horrendous (and it has been for weeks and maybe we need to accept this team isn’t an offensive powerhouse). Should this game have been close? On paper, hell no, we should’ve blown them out. So should all those bad calls have mattered? Not if we play to our potential (or maybe we are) but we didn’t so those bad calls do matter now and it sucks
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 10, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
The packers were lucky
they didn’t get even more PI calls against them.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. -- Bruce Bartlett
True on the pi calls. That is worrisome!
"Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."
Vince Lombardi
by CaliSeth on Oct 10, 2010 5:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
yep.
horrible call on Poppinga…legs tangled…sigh…
That wasn't a PI call
They called Poppinga for holding before the throw.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
really? whining about the refs taking the game away?
give it a rest. Watched the game with some Wash fans in the bar, and there were 4 consecutive questionable PI calls that didn’t get called. Our DB’s need to work on their timing or something. Woodson’s headlock on the guy in OT with ball on the way? Are we gonna complain about that one?
Penalties even out. Lots of penalties are a sign of poor coaching and lead to losses in the NFL (see Dallas Cowboys today).
I can get “refs stole the game from us” drivel on plenty of other idiot sites. We come here for intelligent football talk.
I'm still on the fence about him
I have been since we got him. He’s a good kicker… when there’s no pressure. I don’t think I’ve seen him make a kick he HAD to make yet. Now the kick at the end of regulation was a good kick, but the fact of the matter is, it didn’t go through no matter how good it was, it wasn’t good enough
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 10, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
game winner in his first game
He hit on that game-winner in that game in Philly. Aside from that one, i can’t recall him coming up with one. He’s a choker.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Oct 10, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Not mine! I called him out earlier! Very disappointed in his performance!
"Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."
Vince Lombardi
by CaliSeth on Oct 10, 2010 4:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Gah, Mason Crosby feel my wrath!!!
troll troll troll rage rage rage
there he felt my wrath
by ilikeburritos on Oct 10, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Feeling rage over his performance is not being a troll. So WTF r u saying?
"Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."
Vince Lombardi
by CaliSeth on Oct 10, 2010 4:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
ya gotta make that one at the end of the game..
I know it was from 52, but still
Sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.
Everyone in the bar knew he would miss it! Perhaps they knew something I didn’t!
"Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."
Vince Lombardi
by CaliSeth on Oct 10, 2010 4:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
This one's not on the kicker, gang. It was a LONG FT attempt...
those are 50-50 for an NFL kicker. And he hit the upright with plenty of leg on it—not like he shanked it orsomething.
Smart money knows where the blame goes on this one—-the offense that only put up 13 points. 13 points is NOT enough to win in the NFL—especially when your defense gives up 350 yard passing.
by CakeEater on Oct 11, 2010 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Any word yet
Any word yet on Clay Matthews? The post game radio hosts are acting like he is going to be out for some time.
The good news compounds the good news!
"Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."
Vince Lombardi
by CaliSeth on Oct 10, 2010 4:22 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Going for it on 4th down was absolutely the right decision
It was a stupid play that was called, but kicking FGs in those situation is leaving points on the field. Even if you think it’s only a 50-50 chance it’s still worth your while to go for it.
The bigger problem was not handing the ball to Kuhn on both 3rd and 4th down. He’s good at exactly one thing. If you don’t use him there, when the hell do you use him?
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. -- Bruce Bartlett
by berselius on Oct 10, 2010 4:22 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Nothing like hindsight is there?
never mind that a QB sneak is by far the safest and most successful play by every statistical measure!!!
And that's why it worked and we won
……oh wait…
by zsxander567 on Oct 11, 2010 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Which statistical measures are those, exactly?
The one that accounts for the entire building knowing a sneak is coming or the one that accounts for it being about even odds of each line getting a push?
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
I agree
It’s pretty bad when you can’t punch it in from 1 yard out. Even a half yard out. Sigh…. It’s not the running back that’s the problem, it’s the OL. It was nice to see a better running game against WA, too bad McCarthy didn’t stick with it though. Maybe it was Bulaga that gave us a spark on the ground.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Crosby blew it again, period!
"Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."
Vince Lombardi
by CaliSeth on Oct 10, 2010 4:25 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Suck a fat one, and enjoy it as I know u do. Trolling? No. I love the Packers. Am I an 80 yr old fan like you, no. But I love this team, and Crosby blew it, kinda like you do so often!
"Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."
Vince Lombardi
by CaliSeth on Oct 10, 2010 4:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Now, please do respond.
"Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."
Vince Lombardi
by CaliSeth on Oct 10, 2010 4:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think you can place the blame squarely on crosby
He kicked a 52 yarder earlier in the game. Yeah, he missed one that would have ended the game at 49 yards, but the offense should have gotten him closer. I think blaming Crosby for this game is a shortsighted and uninformed analysis of the loss.
And I don’t appreciate how personal that attack was. I always try to keep a level head and discuss football intelligently, like I know so many around here do (which is why I appreciate this community). I would appreciate if you could do the same.
by Fiesta on Oct 10, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I apologize, my inadvertent personal attacks were wholly unfounded. To say that Crosby did not blow the game though is merely a difference of opinion. I am of the opinion that he did. With respect.
"Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."
Vince Lombardi
by CaliSeth on Oct 10, 2010 4:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't apologize
Did he blow the game? Yes, he had a chance to win it at the end of regulation and missed. Was he the only one to blow the game? Not by a long shot, but just because other people blew the game too doesn’t mean he didn’t blow it as well
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 10, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Its alright man, we're cool
It’s a frustrating day to be a Packers fan. I yelled so much at the TV today that my dog ran away and hid in the basement today. I even yelled at the guy who called me to offer me a job in Green Bay (it looks like I might be moving to Titletown USA).
And I do agree with that Crosby was a contributing factor, I don’t think he was the main reason the packers lost today (see: Athletic Training Staff). So while I’m disinclined to agree with your opinion, I can recognize it’s merit.
Thanks man. Clearly there were numerous contributing factors. However, had Mason made that one that klinked off the upper left, we win. Does that excuse the subpar game from the offense and defense? Definetly no. However, had he made the kick, this is a very different conversation. Congrats on the job offer! Hard to come by these days!
"Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."
Vince Lombardi
by CaliSeth on Oct 10, 2010 5:01 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think the whole offense blew it
Crosby was a contributing factor with his 2 missed FGs, but this game is not solely on him. Again, I dont think I’ve seen him make a kick he HAD to make. He’s a good kicker when there’s absolutely no pressure. Put some pressure on him and he folds, and unfortunately situations like this will only make it worse
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 10, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Not to mention they were 48 and 52 yard FGs
It’s not like those were gimmes
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. -- Bruce Bartlett
He nailer 53 earlier and a 56 yarder in Philly
he has the ability, but not the mindset to make clutch kicks. I’ve had this thought about him ever since the Bears MNF (???) game 2 or 3 years ago where it was blocked at the end of regulation
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 10, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Name me a kicker that makes 50+ yd field goals every time
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. -- Bruce Bartlett
Name me a kicker
who can’t nail a 50+ with pressure on but can when theres no pressure?
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 10, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. -- Bruce Bartlett
by berselius on Oct 10, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Sure it could
There’s a chance Crosby would miss a 50+ yarder with no pressure. There’s a chance he would make that 52 yard field goal with pressure. I don’t think pressure moves the dial that much. Just bad luck.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. -- Bruce Bartlett
But the chances would be affected
by his ability to perform under pressure. Humans vary greatly in that ability. There is substantial science to support that. Darrell Huff would agree with that.
Dunno, but whatever it is won’t reveal whether the poster who posited that he was a choker is right or not. I guess you have to believe in choking though.
ol Pete, Just replying to the thread, not calling you out. I agree with you as I read you—it was a difficult kick and no sure thing for anyone in the league.
Same here.
I know the argument, and how it goes both ways … but I think ol Pete has the better point.
When you’re that far out on the road, outdoors, is there a such thing as an easy 50-yard field goal?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 10, 2010 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly.
Plus, much more blame should go to the offense anyway. We shouldn’t even be kicking from that far out.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. -- Bruce Bartlett
It was a tough kick
That was by no means a gimme. Still, if he’s an elite kicker, he should make a few of them.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Oct 10, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
whoosh
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zing
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 10, 2010 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
The worst part is that shitty Bears team sitting at 4-1 despite likely the worst QB performance in the NFL this year
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. -- Bruce Bartlett
true that..
and they have a very weak upcomming schedule. They could easily be 6-2 at the midway point
Sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.
At this point
that’s fine w/ me. I’d much rather have the Bears win the NFC North then the VIkings
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 10, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Defense (second stringers mostly) held up just fine...
sorry, this one’s on the offense. had PLENTY of opportunities to put up points, but didn’t get it done. 13 points a game isn’t enough to win in the NFL.
Nobody wants to talk about it, but throwing 45 times a game isn’t the formula for success in the nfl. Our lack of any running game means opposing defenses can just tee off on AR with abandon.
Just disgusted by this one—-a road game that was there for thetaking. And leave the refs out of it—I was in a bar with some Wash fans who were pointed out the 4 PI calls in a row that didn’t get called. Clearly the OT calls were makeup calls.
Yup, just like other sports, NFL refs use makeup calls when they know they missed one.
yeah............
Why would you be disgusted?
by Bush League All Star on Oct 11, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Probably on the hands the helmet hit
but that doesn’t make sense, the refs didnt throw a flag so he must not have been hit
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 10, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
WTF is going on.
I can’t stand all this good news.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 10, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice!
"Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."
Vince Lombardi
by CaliSeth on Oct 10, 2010 4:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Rodgers apparently had a concussion
http://twitter.com/#!/Greg_A_Bedard/status/26972389594
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. -- Bruce Bartlett
Next week is against a medioker Miami team
I haven’t started breaking it down yet, but their stats aren’t blowing me away. Hopefully we can get some momentum back then.
Cause we did so well
against a mediocre Bear team, and a mediocre Lion team, and mediocre Washington team. Plus pile on the new injuries we suffered this week… I don’t see a momentum shift anytime soon
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 10, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Lol
It’s good to be optimistic… gotta have some balance for the pessimistic cynics like me
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 10, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I tend to agree.
"Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."
Vince Lombardi
by CaliSeth on Oct 10, 2010 4:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Mediocre? They are playing as good or better than us though. If they are mediocre I don’t want to know what we are. They also have TWO weeks to get ready for us!!
I think everyone
other then Carolina is playing as good if not better than us… maybe San Fran
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 10, 2010 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions
if you saw the last 2 Miami games you would know thier not mediocre on offense or defense
The special teams has given up 3 tds, and been responsible for another 3 tds. the last 2 games. 3 blocks, and 3 long KR’s, i except the coaches to do something about this. They have a solid good offense and defense. But their special teams is just horrible. do the packers have a good kick returner? i hope they don’t then the dolphins are in trouble.
by Dolphins21MZ on Oct 10, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions
oh please our ST is quite possibly the worse
dont worry
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The only way this season is saved
is if Clay Matthews knocks Favre into retirement.
He might knock himself into retirement
Would not be shocked if he is suspended by next week’s game.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. -- Bruce Bartlett
Crosby blew it, period!
"Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."
Vince Lombardi
by CaliSeth on Oct 10, 2010 4:54 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Any word on the seriousness of the confusion? Seemed to b a lot of injuries for a loss, and nothing to show for it. What is the deal with Mathews, Finley and Collins? Not mention, oh yeah, Rodgers!
"Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."
Vince Lombardi
by CaliSeth on Oct 10, 2010 5:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Corection: While there is much confusion regarding the confusion to Rodgers, I meant to say concusion.
"Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."
Vince Lombardi
by CaliSeth on Oct 10, 2010 5:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Lmao whatever. Auto correct txt sucks sometimes…
"Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."
Vince Lombardi
by CaliSeth on Oct 10, 2010 5:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Please tell me you're not using an iPhone.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 10, 2010 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I am! Great for the most part. Just finally got the 4 on Friday! I love it! Why? I still have 30 days to return…
"Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."
Vince Lombardi
by CaliSeth on Oct 10, 2010 5:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Don’t you get it, Strohman, it’s clearly MM’s fault—he told Slocum to tell Crosby to shank the kick. I’m sure that Poppinga and Bush had something to do with it, and Lynch would clearly have saved the day.
Lynch would’ve not only kicked a 48 yard fieldgoal, but also cured cancer in the third quarter.
We don't need Lynch to cure cancer
That’s already been done via the tears of Chuck Norris… too bad hes so hardcore he never cries :-/
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 10, 2010 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Suprisingly enough, Lynch did once kick PAT in college! Lol.
"Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."
Vince Lombardi
by CaliSeth on Oct 11, 2010 1:02 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
+24
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Oct 11, 2010 2:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree on the play calling rage
Notice that the Colts weren’t have a great outing offensively either and still found a way to win. The difference was the play calling.
Also, I think we should rename the team. How about The “Green Bay Penalties?” =/
"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Vince Lombardi
Yeah.
I thought they had fixed that after the loss against the Bears.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 10, 2010 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
How about The Green Bay Hospital Ward?
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. -- Bruce Bartlett
Nevermind that every analyst on ESPN said McCarthy was a very good playcaller!
We should definitely take our conclusions from a fan who probably never played beyond HS backup, fat, out of shape slob!!! LOL
Shaddup Strokeman
4th and goal with an injury plaqued team and less than 2TDs, you kick that field goal.
It’s football, not rocket science. Chump
"Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Vince Lombardi
I'm not going to question the FG/go for it
Hindsight… if it works its a different convo we’re having. But I do argue the play selection. We have a power grind for yards back in Kuhn… he needs to see the ball in at least ONE of those plays maybe even both.
And a 50/15 pass to run ratio is not going to win games in the NFL in October, let alone in Green Bay in Novemeber and December. So i think it’s ok to question the playcalling at this point
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 10, 2010 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
response
About the response I would expect from a armchair QB who never played the game! QB sneaks are about the safest and easiest, most likely play to convert on short yardage!
"armchair QB"
Not the first time I’ve heard this, but shit is classic. :)
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Oct 10, 2010 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
x's and o's
McCarthy is a solid technician. He does know football. The better question is whether he’s a head coach. He has been unable to get the Packers to achieve. He has been able to get them to underachieve. This is not good.
hes a head coach
the playcalling is the main problem I have with him
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Really?
So you are saying that Mc is a good play caller just because the TV guys said it? Really?
What about that last series in regulation when AR got sacked? You know, 2nd & 7, plenty of time and any moron can see the skins are bringing the house. Mc runs an empty backfield and has everybody going deep….. enough said!
Suppose you've never heard of hot routes!
If you had you would know when there is a blitz coming the recievers at least one or two have to read it and break off the route! Has nothing to do w/ the play call, but noone apparently breaking off the routes!
Enough said!!!
Of course
But why pur yourself in that position to begin with? Playcalling has been as predictable as sunrise and sunset.
So you take any plays that might give you a big gain at a time your driving for the winning score?
Really? Comon man I know your a little smarter than that! I guess if we did that we might have had a 10 min drive to win the game… Ohhh except that it would be OVER… I guess when it matters most we should eliminate 50% of our playbook, after having the other 50% taken out by not having our top 2 TE!!!
We still had two healthy TE that we could put on the field
I don’t think we needed to be forced out of any 2 TE sets. Crabtree and Quarless are good enough that we shouldn’t have to just scrap those sets. These guys were good enough to make TT keep 4 TEs, we should have enough faith in them to produce. If we did go away from any 2 TE gameplanned plays that’s the fault of the coaching staff, not injuries.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
Are you suggesting
In any way that QUarless and Crabtree can just run the same plays we have for Finley? neither is remotely capable of running plays that have been designed to utilize Finleys abiltiy.
Lee IMO, is the only one even remotely close to Finley in that regard due to his experience. Crabtree and QUarless are rookies! What did the Packers do to utilize Finley his rookie year? ALmost nothing till very late in the year and even then he went dumbass and critisized Rodgers for a back shoulder throw.
You have to take that into account when you suggest putting them in that situation and expect the offense to be even remotely as successful.
I certainly didn’t see many 2 TE stuff being utilized. and if it was it was for blocking which takes away other playmaking WR. Saw Quarless and Crabtree on a very limited basis!
I'm certainly not saying that either is as productive as Finley at this point
but Quarless is a very good athlete who could present similar (if lesser) mismatches to Finley, and Crabtree could play a similar role to Lee. Obviously these are both a drop off from the top 2 TE on our roster, but I don’t feel that’s a reason to go completely away from 2 TE sets if that’s what the gameplan was.
And of course I realize they’re both rookies, but you also have to consider that Finley is 23 this year, and he was a heck of a lot more immature when he was a rookie. Crabtree is actually older than Finley. And from what I saw, Quarless played pretty well.
I’m not disagreeing with you not seeing 2 TE stuff being utilized; I’m just saying that I don’t think the coaching staff should have been frightened away from using those sets with Quarless and Crabtree.
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Majority of "experts"= Journalism majors
with some former players sprinkled in every so often. They are about as qualified as you or I to diagnose a game.
experts
Well acually the former players know far more than you or I.. And my buddy John Anderson, I was his best man, said when he got hired by ESPN they quizzed him on his total sports knowledge!!! So yes even the journalism majors, at least the ones at ESPN DO know more about it than you…
Otherwise he wouldn’t have been hired by ESPN… Just sayin…
So he was quized about sports that means he knows more about every team in every sport than the people who are watching the games and studying their team? sigh…okay. Sure overall they are paid to know sports so yeah they know their stuff but to try to say that we should just listen to their opinions when they don’t even agree with each other is just a poor argument.
Look you watch those sunday morning shows…do they all agree with each other on everything? NO half the show is spend arguing which mean that even though they are all “experts” they still can’t all come to the same conclusion. I trust the people that KNOW their team over some guy who watches some highlights.
Rehearsed
do they all agree with each other on everything? NO half the show is spend arguing which mean that even though they are all "experts" they still can’t all come to the same conclusion.
Most of that stuff is well rehearsed, if not downright scripted.
It’s about as genuine as pro wrestling.
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TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!
yeah…but the point is the same. Analysts don’t agree on everything. While one might say the Steelers are the best team in football the next might say its the Ravens. They both are “experts” but yet they don’t come to the same conclusion…
My point in all of it is that just because a guy is a journalist/expert in the sports field doesn’t mean he knows every NFL team intimately.
Well, I believe that a lot of that stuff
is not only rehearsed, but assigned, as well.
The ‘experts’ are told by the producers,
“Here is the argument. You take this side of it, and you take that side.”
I don’t so much pay attention to the opinions on those shows as I listen for revelations of facts that I was unaware of.
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TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!
Wow..just watched the replay..
apparently helmet-to-helmet hits apply to every QB in the league but Rogers
Sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.
by White92 on Oct 10, 2010 5:33 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Judging by that late-fourth-quarter fumble call against SD, it appears that the refs are supposed to officiate in favor of the underdogs.
I thought the Packers played poorly against the Bears, and hence the flags, but I may have to rethink that now.
I'm standing by the penalties in the Bear game
other than the Def PI at the end… but I still think this was a horribly officiated game
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 10, 2010 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions
We just can't finish teams off.
Don’t blame the officals. Rodgers needs more time before he gets in the “elite” QB’s talk.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Oct 10, 2010 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Nonsense.
The Packers played poorly and lost. They deserved more penalties than were called.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Oct 10, 2010 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions
oh I agree..
I’m just frustrated that when the Packers intercept to clinch a game the play is overturned on a helmet to helmet hiy, but when the same thing happens against the Packers it’s not called..
Sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.
I'm very curious to see how this team responds come next sunday.
They want power. We want respect...
This better be like the loss to TB last year. That is all I have to say, regarding this!
"Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."
Vince Lombardi
The loss to Chicago
was supposed to be that loss and we’ve played worse since then
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 10, 2010 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Won't have many guys next sunday to play with
Matthews could be out, Pickett, Finley, the injury situation is terrible right now. I don’t think we’ll win next sunday against a playoff calibur Miami team coming off a bye.
"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks
Fun fact.
our only losses have come by playing on the road. I feel good enough with this team at home, even if we’re rodgerless. This, may be a game—if rodgers is out—where B-Jax gets his 20-25 carries.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Oct 10, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
We're just going to have to rely on our defense to win the game
but even our defense isn’t that great without Clay Matthews.
"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks
I know GB was being destroyed by Hill, yet I don't feel that Henne is a threat.
Marshall will “get his,” but it won’t be enough to win. Then again, stranger things have happened.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Oct 10, 2010 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
They look like a poorly coached team to me.
Can’t get the correct number of players on the field on special teams (2x). Penalties. The offense looks in disarray. They were able to run well, but instead they followed Rodgers’ lead and went into a spread offense, where they made some yards, but couldn’t score; and with the resulting pressure Rodgers got a concussion. Offensively and defensively, they just can’t get it done when it counts.
If the Packers are going to go anywhere deep in the playoffs, they need to fire Slocum, and get an offensive coordinator who is more than an understudy to McCarthy.
by MikeDB on Oct 10, 2010 7:02 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
DUH!
They look poorly coached because they are poorly coached. We see the same thing every week in one shade or another. Offensive discombobulation in the second half. Failure to finish. Every week.
It’s not Ted Thompson, as the unwashed rant. It’s not the lack of a running game. When they want they do that just fine. It’s not the injuries, the subs actually did pretty darn good. Penalties, yeah, to a point. They do show lack of discipline. McCarthy can’t get this team to the level they need to be. He doesn’t take what defenses give him. And he does not kick butt when needed, even his own. Every week. Last year the team had to kick it’s own butt after the Tampa game. You’d think the coach might have learned something.
by marcopo on Oct 10, 2010 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
How about fire the trainer
Our guys are completely injury prone.
"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks
They wouldn’t even pay the price and get Lynch. I knew not signing him would be a disaster, despite the decent running today. What makes you think they would fire Slocum? And as far as McCarthy goes, how is that working out for San Francisco? This is the same guy who saw ZERO value in Rodgers, and all the value in Smith.
"Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect."
Vince Lombardi
Before people start
it’s a good thing we didnt trade for him at this point because of the other injuries. Didn’t Ryan go down w/ an injury that pretty much ended Dorsey Levens career? I hate saying this, but I’d rather have Marshawn Lynch to start next year then Ryan Grant coming off an injury
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 10, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
picks not players
Buffalo wasn’t interested in players. They wanted picks, and that’s what Seattle gave them.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Oct 10, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather try to sign Michael Bush in the offseason or use a draft pick on a RB.
I doubt they stay this thin at tailback, next year.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Oct 10, 2010 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Running backs are so hit or miss in the draft
And you’re telling me you’d rather spend a 1st or 2nd rounder on a rookie then a 4th and 5th on Marshawn Lynch?
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 10, 2010 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions
No.
Our 1st and 2nd round picks will most likely go to the O-line or DB positions. You can take your chances on a RB with health issues in the 4th round and hope it pays off.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Oct 10, 2010 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions
We should take next week easy.
after miami, we get a bye then crunch time starts. Id just get our team healthy, which is obviously why we are sucking ass right now
Green Bay's bye isn't until after they host Dallas in four weeks.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 10, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
After watching the last 2 weeks..
no easy games for this squad
Sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.
Help me understand, please!
Seriously, why can’t McCarthy get this team to the level they need to be?
this just didn't happen
It’s a bad dream…
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Oct 10, 2010 9:00 PM CDT reply actions
So many guys are going to be out
that we probably won’t beat Miami either. Is there something wrong with our offseason conditioning program that all these guys get injured?
"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks
Hey, if anyone wants to hear angry fans,
Turn on Eagles-49ers right about now. The fans in SF are letting the San Francisco offense have it. Loud boos and I just heard a “We want Carr!” chant.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 10, 2010 9:56 PM CDT reply actions
at least they're finally getting Crabtree involved.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Oct 10, 2010 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Mc Carthy
Mc Carthy’s play calling sucks! Even when they know the blitz is coming he has all the recievers running deep routes. Ever think of keeping a back in for protection? Can you run a screen more than 3 times a season?
How long have special teams sucked? 3+ years now. Effing get it done already!
Even with all the injuries, the Packers should have won this game. But when you have a mental midget that has his entire playbook written on a post it note, you lose.
Hey Ted, get your head out of your a$$ and get a running back. Nobody respects the run, especially when you have a coach that dosent run more than a handfull of plays that are not deep routes.
again
You need to learn what a hot route/read is… If there is a blitz the recievers are supposed to break off the routes to give the QB someone to throw to! I guess by your analysis McCarthy knew they were blitzing and purposely called deep routes. If in fact the recievers actually ran deep routes! Sorry but your analysis is coming up wanting!!!
Someone obviously isn’t teaching them correctly then. By the way, not every route is a hot route…you might have one guy on each play that does that and not every play has a hot route. The WR is supposed to make the decision based on what is happening inside as well as in coverage.
How about this…if WRs aren’t doing it maybe we should just call different plays and put the team in a better position to make successful plays.
So according to the other poster McCarthy called deep routes even though he “knew” the defense was blitzing… ANd Rodgers didn’t make a play call adjustment even though he probably “knew” the D was blitzing… Yeah thats likely.
Actually there is a hot reciever on every play call in those situations. I guess McCArthy sucks as a playcaller cuz he’s too aggresive in that situation and Too conservative in the short yardage situations…. yeah thats reallly likely too…
Now whos being argumentative? Seems like you are about anything I say… Ohh wait, but your nicer about it… LMAO
This isn’t about “hot reads”, or screen plays, play action, or any particular call. And no one, per se, is saying MaCarthy doesn’t understand x’s and o’s. What I’m saying is that we’re seeing a pattern every game, in which the offense struggles in the 2nd half. Part of that is adjustments that the defenders make. McCarthy has been unable to correct this. Further, with the talent he’s been given. it’s more then fair is say the Packers underachieve. I would prefer a coach whose players overachieve.
So you don't think
that losing our top 2 TE very early in the game already cost us a HUGE part of our game plan??!!
The guy was specifically talking about McCarthys play calling!! I responded specifically to his lack of knowledge concerning the play calling… So yeah MY post was specifically about his playcalling!
You guys are typical fans… Over-react to everything and hyper-critical of anything you, w/ your much better knowledge of game planning than McCarthy, don’t like!!!
It's hard to believe
But I am no longer the most-hated semi-regular on this site.
I yield my crown to the Strohman.
Stroh — if you want to have some fun, go over to Brew Crew Ball and challenge the creepy-little-bald-political-wannabe-from-Iowa-who-poses-with-his-dog to a smackoff.
by ktenreb on Oct 11, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely
But Acme Packing Company is a well-run blog. The other, um, not so much.
Bitter much?
Actually I’d say its pretty ridiculous to try and argue BCB isn’t well run. They’ve got plenty of writers offering strong and informative insight often much like this one. But you can be as petty and spiteful as you like and that argument is irrelevant to the Packers….
by zsxander567 on Oct 12, 2010 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Petty and spiteful defines Brew Crew Ball
It has 12 – 15 regulars. Newbies are roasted if they don’t just post the usual BS, like “Wow! Nullacct is great for posting all those cool pictures!” It’s a site set up for the regulars by a myopic political wannabe from a crappy state.
Tell him I said hello.
GIVE IT UP!
This is a Packer site…
If you want to complain about another site, make your own blog to specifically address your grievances there. You are a broken record about it, and you are beginning to sound pathetic. Talk football…
by Bush League All Star on Oct 12, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Sheesh
All you thin-skinned Iowans sticking up for each other. Okay, no more picking on the bald guy with the dog who moved to Iowa from Minocqua.
I do have an Iowa joke though:
Why do ducks fly upside down over Iowa?
Nothing worth sh*tting on.
Not sticking up for anyone...
THIS IS A PACKER SITE!!! WE DON’T CARE ABOUT YOUR BLOG SPAT THAT IS RELATED TO A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SPORT.
You seem really bothered by it and your only response has been to call people names or deplore them. Way to concede gracefully…
by Bush League All Star on Oct 12, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
…and that would make you a typical homer that can’t see any wrong with his team then! I guess if we are typecasting people we should get yours on the record too.
Easy Trev
I already smacked Stroh on this one. Watch your blood pressure.
Remember when you and I used to bicker all the time? Now, we seem to agree all the time.
I liked you better when you were contrary. . . . ($20 fine for using the elipses).
haha.,..what happened anyway. We used to always bicker…that is interesting. You kinda disappeared for a while though.
Busy at work
There isn’t much to talk about in April — usually everybody just argues about how Thompson/Favre are awful/great. It gets boring. Now that the season is here, however, there’s material with which to work.
Never said all is rosy!!!
Just that the typical fan is over-reactive and hyper-critical… Packers surely have their share of problems! OT are one, the running game is another and related issue. I really don’t think the playcalling is the least of our concerns!
You've been Stroh'd!!!
Five exclamation points and an elipses
You are fined $120.
I guess the more likely is that all of our receivers are incapable of running hot routes then. Wouldn’t that come down to coaching too though?
I am not being argumentative…I completely disagree with you and your constant rosiness for this team that is playing like worst team in the division. At some point you have to acknowledge that something is wrong. Or maybe not??
Sorry Strohman, Trevor's got a good point here...
the fault wasn’t in the receivers not breaking off their routes—-the fault was NOT giving AR enough protection. O-line isn’t good enough to protect without help—need a back and/or 2 tight ends to max protect. THAT is on the coaching.
Again, dropping back 45+ times is a recipe for this team losing (see Chicago game). The lack of a running game is going to be a real problem in Nov and Dec (if it isn’t already). NOt to mention January, if we even get that far.
Really, and here I thought that the OL was supposed to make blocking adjustments when theres a blitz too. I guess I really don’t know much compared to you genius’s? LMAO
ooh you are LMAO? Now you got a taste how most of us spend our days reading your posts! Enjoy.
by TrevorR on Oct 11, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Trev -- chill
He’s a troll (but he defends his positions pretty well). Don’t take the bait.
and your not?
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Excellent analysis
I’m awaiting your report on how Panama is actually a banana since they both have lots of a’s
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by GoGregGo on Oct 12, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey Rot Read
I was going to reply, but I think the other posters have proven my point.
Hey genius (sarcasm)
If aren’t you the one that didn’t even take hot reads calls into the equation? Yeah, you really know NOTHING!
This team disappointed me today.
But I’m still going along with it, because you cannot win every game in a season in the NFL (look at last year’s Vikings. Great way to go into the playoffs, huh?).
I hope this was NOT a serious concussion that Rodgers took. Adding injury to insult? Ugh.
This year’s ’Skins team could be good, but they are skating the average and have wins over a pair of 3-2 teams (us and Philadelphia).
This game just got away from us. Yuck.
I'm just glad Scott Tolzien didn't go all Drew Tate on Nick Toon and whack him upside the head...
No longer using Yahoo! Sports for anything besides stat checking since 9/29/2010...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 10, 2010 10:58 PM CDT reply actions
Expectations!
no one expects the Packers to win every game. However when chronic problems develop, I expect them to be fixed. The seeds of this loss where sown, as anyone with a TV set knows, long before they took the field. I love D. Driver, but if he drops 6 passes, take him out. If Clifton can’t move to the edge, take him out. At least send a message that a certain level of performance is required. If the pass rush is coming hard, use screens, draws and the running game. They tolerate sloppy play and I’m sick of it.
This was one of those games
where nothing went right at all.
Scratch that: Brandon Jackson did well, but we abandoned him because he wasn’t any good or something like that…
I'm just glad Scott Tolzien didn't go all Drew Tate on Nick Toon and whack him upside the head...
No longer using Yahoo! Sports for anything besides stat checking since 9/29/2010...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 11, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
GIVE THE DEVIL HIS DUE
There has been considerable and vitriolic criticism of Ted Thompson because he neglected to stock the Packers two deep with allpros at every position. I have been frustrated by his perceived lack of whatever. Outside of Lynch, much of this criticism has been aimed at the defense. Well, the rubber has met the road. the defense is decimated. Burnett, Barnett, Pickett, Shields and boy wonder Matthews, all injured. Thompson, who callously disregarded the mewing crowd, was left with Zombo, Peprah, Bishop and a host of other bench warmers. They did pretty good. And special mention to Neal. He’s gonna be very good. Sorry Chillar, you’re injured too. Didn’t mean to slight anyone.
But...
The RBs!! He didn’t stock up on 5 ypc RBs!! And, uh,..we didn’t have a former Pro Bowler to back up Rodgers!!
/sarcasm
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