The Packers Have No Pass Rush Without Clay Matthews
by Brandon on Oct 18, 2010 1:00 PM CDT
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The Green Bay Packers recorded zero sacks against the Miami Dolphins on Sunday. From Mike McCarthy:
(Lack of pressure on the quarterback this week without
Clay Matthews. How do you get to the quarterback?)
Well, you’ve got to look at how they played, too. They used a lot of seven-man protection. Pressure was not a big part of our plan, because of the way, … it’s always in our plan, but more on how they played, too.
For whatever reason, DE Cullen Jenkins didn't have much success applying pressure up the middle against the Dolphins interior lineman. NT B.J. Raji can provide some pressure at times too, but it's a bit of a dream that he'll become a consistent pass rusher.
With little inside pass rush, they were forced to rely on their outside linebackers. Whatever blitzes they called fell short of getting anywhere near QB Chad Henne. But McCarthy was right, the Dolphins did make sure Henne was protected. LT Jake Long is one of the best in the league, and kept LB Brad Jones away from Henne all day. They even had the luxury of keeping in an extra blocker to occupy LB Frank Zombo, who is a good player, but far from able at beating a double-team.
That would leave as many as 7 defenders back in coverage against as few as 3 receivers, but Henne had so much time to throw that it often worked out for them anyway.
The defense can make some adjustments (i.e. blitz more) to make up for his absence, but they're also going to get burned by it when they guess wrong, or the blitz is picked up. There really isn't a good solution available until Matthews returns from his hamstring injury.
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I think the loss of Ryan Pickett
has a huge effect on the pass rush as well. Without Ryan in the middle to anchor our run defense, we have to keep Cullen and our linebackers on a more contain setting so they’re not allowed to outright rush the QB as much as they’re allowed to when Ryan is present in the middle
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 18, 2010 1:18 PM CDT reply actions
Agree
Pickett usually draws a double team. Henne had time to throw and still looked horrible, just never comitted the bit mistake though.
I thought Mathews was looking like he was going to make this weeks game
With him in there and the Vikes Porous O Line I think you have a good shot of putting Brett on the ground a couple of times this weekend. As well we seem to be very inconsistant on our LB pick ups in pass protection anyway so you could be seeing a big game out of one of your other LB’s as well.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Probably but that still likely won’t be enough for us to hold you under 25 points. Then add into the equation that our offense has looked just short of terrible all year, and I really see no way we beat you guys. Unless the offense all of the sudden magically improves, which is doubtful.
by packallday555 on Oct 18, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Vikes offense isn't giving anyone feelings of happy happy joy joy now
If not for serious mistakes by the boys and some serious special teams I don’t think our offense had it in them to beat the Cowboys. However, if Favre gets in a groove with Moss it could be a bad thing for your secondary.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Yeah, I realize that but our secondary has been pretty abysmal so far. If Matthews isn’t back we have no shot, and even if he is, I’m still not sure how much better it’ll make the secondary. It’d be great to get Harris back this week, which actually seems like a possibility.
I think Woodson will keep Moss relatively quiet, and even Williams will probably do a decent job on Harvin as he’s been playing great football for us this season. I just don’t think we have an answer for Shiancoe, unless Chillar is back. And I see Favre picking on Shields quite a bit too.
by packallday555 on Oct 19, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Shiancoe has been a relative no show lately
his hammy was injured about 2-3 weeks ago and he has been needed to pass block for us lately. It’s kind of sad just how completely terrible our O line has become in a year.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Isn’t it tough to watch? I’ve noticed they keep Shiancoe in quite a bit on third downs to block, which obviously says a lot about how Chilly feels about the protection.
McKinnie declining this season hasn’t really surprised me but Loadholt’s poor play has. I really thought he was eventually going to develop into one of the better RT’s in the league but I’m not to sure on that anymore.
by packallday555 on Oct 19, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Not like we didn't try to warn you about your OL.
When the end comes for OL it come quick… We have particular knowledge of that!
I picked Shiancoe in both fantasy leagues I’m in… SInce wk 1 he’s done next to nothing. I think his hammy is preventing him being involved in the passing game. He can’t run so he has to block…
You've been Stroh'd!!!
Re: Vikings O-Line
I also thought Loadholt was going to quickly develop in a (if not The) premier RT. McKinnie has been overrated since the day he left Miami and it’s sad for the Vikings payroll department that he made the Pro Bowl. Has Hutchinson been playing poorly? I had hoped the Packers would pursue Artis Hicks (about the only FA I thought the Packers could use).
by I voted for Kodos on Oct 19, 2010 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Loadholt
The big knock on Loadholt even coming into that draft was his slow feet! Long as thats the case he’ll never be much more than ordinary, and usually closer to poor!! And its not something thats going to improve at this point in his development! Something that either you have it or you don’t.
And Loadholt doesn’t have quick feet at all…
You've been Stroh'd!!!
IMO
They held Matthews out this week to assure he would be ready for the more important divisional game next week. Sounded like Matthews could have played but they didn’t push him… Indicating he was held out to be ready for MInn.
We are in real need of a win over Minn!!! Both for our psyche and our divisional record! Still plenty of time to get thing straightened out and make a playoff push, but losing to Minn would nearly end that…
You've been Stroh'd!!!
I wouldn't say anyone is out of the play off race until 15 games in this season
You’re down one on the Bears, but I’m pretty confidant that you’ll be able to pull the next one out on them. if you do lose to the Vikes, you still have a chance to even it up later in the season when more of your players have made it back from injury. Of course this is from a Minny fan who sits at 2-3 so I’ve been trying to see the brighter side of things for a while now….
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Probably right. The whole NFC has looked inconsistent. I suppose with that being the case anything is possible. Maybe 10-6, or even 9-7 is enough to win you the division the North.
by packallday555 on Oct 19, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm thinking 10-6 will be more than enough
Sad to think actually.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Seriously. Remember how good this division was supposed to be coming into the season haha? Boy did that change.
by packallday555 on Oct 19, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes but
the Bears and Lions could be better than advertised.
"Hawk Harrelson: Annoying even the hearing impaired": Teahenny Penny paraphrasing Chisoxfan1473
by NorthSidePaulie on Oct 19, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
They are better.
The division is still really competitive. A deeper the division means less freebee wins and therefore lesser records. 10-6 doesn’t mean the division is bad, it just means it’s competitive. Unfortunately, it’s so competitive mostly due to the injuries to the top 2 teams.
I think the Lions are but not the Bears. I think they’ll start to lose much more as their schedule gets tougher.
by packallday555 on Oct 19, 2010 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Not too mention
As long as Cutler continues to be sacked much more than Rodgers even was last year!
You've been Stroh'd!!!
Pickett's loss hurts
In addition to this, the fact that TT refuses to ever get any veteran talent during free agency in the off season has not helped this team. We did not draft any pass rushers this year(maybe Neal, but more of a run stuffer). If we knew this, why not go out and get a pass rusher, even if there were’t many available, get somebody who could do something. I’m sorry TT, but 2nd year mediocre player brad jones and rookie Frank Zombo were not and never should have been counted on to produce the kind of pressure a formidable pass rushing defense needs to produce. Also, to put most of the urgency on CMIII’s shoulders isn;‘t helping the situation, he’s one guy for god’s sakes.
Please, this off-season, sign somebody good with experience. Put the money into a free agent and screw the Lambeau rebuilding project!
What free agent did you want TT to get this offseason?
Serious question
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
I bet we hear answers ranging from
Adalius Thomas to Julius Peppers
Lets be honest guys… no one has picked up Thomas yet… there’s probably a reason for that
As far as Peppers goes, he doesn’t fit our scheme (it’d be Kampman 2.0), and he hates our D-line coach (Tragovich or whatever) who was his D-coordinator in Carolina. Theres also that whole Peppers plays when he wants to play attitude he’s developed and I’d rather not have that type of guy on my team… especially coming off getting his big payday
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 18, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
He sprained his youth
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
by GoGregGo on Oct 18, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Once Chicago starts playing tougher teams
they will start losing. And when that happens I still think you’ll see a dropoff in Peppers’ production. Not worth the money.
by I voted for Kodos on Oct 18, 2010 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
That's next offseason
Clearly stallis must have someone in mind that he wanted TT to sign this past offseason to say that
TT refuses to ever get any veteran talent during free agency in the off season
Otherwise it comes off as just a rant saying “Well, I don’t know who we should have signed, but dammit we should have signed SOMEONE!”
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
Agreed
you can’t post a list of people available NEXT year and use that as your defense. Explain to me how he can sign any of those people in the past off-season to make the team better this year.
You two (Stallis and NoahZ) have both done pretty much nothing but come in here and spout off the generic TT stereotype argument w/ no backing to it.
With that said start providing some people who he could’ve gone after. Tell me about his horrible drafting (other then Harrell, because he missed on that one). Until you can come up w/ some decent arguments, I’m going to name Ryan Pickett and Charles Woodson for FA arguments and then list Aaron Rodgers, CM3, Raji, and Nick Collins in the draft argument and win.
So Stallis, NoahZ, go get a decent non generic argument w/ facts and names and then come talk to me and we can debate your information
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 18, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
You need your head examined
I simply posted a list because somebody mentioned upcoming free agents so I honestly don’t even know what you’re ranting about.
I think there was some confusion
Which was my fault as I commented what FA should TT pick up this offseason. I meant that to mean the offseason that had just occurred rather than the upcoming one. I should have phrased my request differently.
Also, to Golden, Noah wasn’t the one to have the original post, so give him a break.
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
Sorry
Noah, let me offer you my apology. I’ve been defending TT against a bunch of fantasy/madden players all day who think its easy to make trades for top quality people and instantly fit them in. Everyone (at least me) is frustrated and I probably jumped down your throat when it really wasn’t warranted so I do apologize for that
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 18, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
No problem brother.
And I have to agree with you on Teddy. The fact that he can field a team with this many injuries and still be competitive every week says a lot.
However I did jump off the MM bandwagon.
Also a TT supporter
but am quickly falling off the MM wagon. Will always be on the DD wagon
by I voted for Kodos on Oct 18, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
even though DD drops more passes than any other reciever on the team?!
Driver is old and its showing! Start Jones or Nelson!
You've been Stroh'd!!!
yes, Nelson has the hands of Larry Fitzgerald out there.
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by blackoutsox on Oct 18, 2010 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
You mean like most others rants? It is what it is.. a rant w/ no idea about who to get!!!
You've been Stroh'd!!!
It's TT's job
Finding the guys is his job, not some fan’s.
Fans will comment on the job a GM does, and there’s nothing wrong with it.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Oct 18, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
If I think someone is doing a bad job
It’s usually because I think they’re doing specific things wrong and can do them better. Until people can come up with specific free agency signings that are:
1. Not based on dreams
2. Can fit within the financial framework of the Packers
3. Players that can fit in with the current team
All TT criticism is more or less bitchin’ for the sake of bitchin’.
by Danwood on Oct 19, 2010 6:36 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
That about sums it up. In convenient bullet point format as well. Nice work.
by I voted for Kodos on Oct 19, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Translation
This is essentially an assertion that TT is right, and that fans should just sit back and watch. Which is what all you guys did with Shermie. Right?
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Oct 19, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope
This is an assertion that if you think TT is doing a bad job, specifically name what he’s done bad at and specifically name the way it should have been done in a realistic manner.
by Danwood on Oct 19, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
i'll try
1. to loyal to his draft picks (harrel, underachieving hawk)
2. inability to replace OT’s after 6 years on the job.(tausch and cliffy still starting but shouldn’t be)
3. hamstringing himself in the free agent marker, so he can keep those valuable 3rd and 4th round picks. (could have gotten lynch and cromartie for those picks this year)
4. relies on potential of players and development to much, doesn’t believe in the win now philosophy. believes in being competitive not neccessarily going all in——imo.
5. the teams 20-18 record since favre left is an indication of mediocrity.
6. no excusses
Nope, you failed
Let’s see the point by point, detailed, solutions to each situation you brought up.
1. Who is going to replace these people? Hawk is underachieving in your mind only by his draft status, NOT in relationship to his performance relative to the rest of the league.
2. Who are you bringing in? How are you paying them? What team has let their superstar quality OT leave?
3. You don’t know this. You don’t know that TT didn’t offer what Seattle did and the Bills said no to us. Trading players in the NFL is not like trading players in Madden.
4. No, this is the only way to foster sustainable growth and winning over the long term with the Packers’ salary constraints in today’s NFL. If you’re still hanging on to what was done in the 90’s, you need to get over it. The 90’s are gone. Also, this is what the perennially successful teams do (Colts, Steelers, Patriots), so there is some basis in it succeeding.
5. Perhaps. But TT doesn’t coach nor play the games.
6. No excuses for you misreading my post and whining without any idea of the complexity about what you bitch about? I guess that makes sense in the context of your post.
by Danwood on Oct 21, 2010 6:21 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hat trick for Danwood
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TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!
(Colts, Steelers, Patriots
unfortunately we aren’t those teams. the patriots use free agency alot by the way.
if you’ve accepted mediocrity——well that’s your perrogative.
hawk stinks and it has nothing to do with the #5 pick. can’t cover te’s, can’t shed blocks, makeing tackles 5-7 yards down the field is not good. not physical at the point of attack. that’s what i see at the games and on tv. maybe your watching a different game.
as far as money goes we have been under the salary cap in the past 3 years. since you don’t live in brown county, you would understand that tax payer money goes into the packer funds to keep the teams money flowing in. that tax will always be there to replenish the packers funds year in and year out.
educate yourself on the facts before posting.
So still no reasonable alternatives from you
Your criticism of TT means nothing.
by Danwood on Oct 21, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe they do now,
the patriots use free agency alot by the way.
but not when they were actually winning Super Bowls!
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TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!
by NorthStarr on Oct 21, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Patriots free agents
Adalius Thomas = fail
Joey Galloway = fail
Alge Crumpler = 1 reception so far this year
Leigh Bodden = IR
Shawn Springs = No longer with team
LaMont Jordan = non-factor
Fernando Bryant = final cutdown fatality
Junior Seau = mediocre by that time
Jabar Gaffney = okay, more of a product of a system
Stallworth = didn’t last
Kelley Washington = didn’t last
Antuan Edwards = do I need to say anything?
Roosevelt Colvin = injured, never really came all the way back
Rodney Harrison = good pickup
A bunch of nobodies in 2002
In 2001 they did get Vrabel (from the Steelers), and Antowain Smith who had a few serviceable years
Joe Andruzzi = former Packer non-standout
And the last couple years:
Tully Banta-Cain = was a Patriot before he went to S.F. so they definitely knew what they were getting
Gerard Warren = sometime starter, more of a stopgap
Fred Taylor = makes Tomlinson look young
This list goes back to 2000. No more impressive than Woodson + Pickett.
by I voted for Kodos on Oct 22, 2010 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions
And . . .
I would say it’s more important to keep your good players than go after other team’s players and risk losing your talent (plus it’s almost always cheaper to keep your own).
Keep in mind that this is the first year without a salary cap. While Dallas might make enough money to pay for their salaries you can bet Minnesota will be trimming cap room once they get their stadium deal. You can be sure they won’t have the 3rd-highest payroll for long. And when they start trimming they’ll be rebuilding for a while. I’d rather be competitive every year than very competitive for a few years, followed by years of rebuilding.
By the way, the three teams right below us on total team salary for this year: Colts, Patriots, and Ravens. So spent money doesn’t automatically translate into wins.
by I voted for Kodos on Oct 22, 2010 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd, on every point
But, especially,
I’d rather be competitive every year than very competitive for a few years, followed by years of rebuilding.
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TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!
what?
I’d rather be competitive every year than very competitive for a few years, followed by years of rebuilding.
if that’s your goal, than you have the right gm for the job.
but if we ask the players that go out their every week the same question, what do you think they would say?
a. as long as were competitive and around .500, i’m fine with that.
if your not in it to win it every year, why play the games and risk serious injuries.c. i don’t mind rebuilding, i’m getting used to it——it’s been 6 years now and we have 1 division title and 1 playoff victory. that should be good for another 5 years of competitive football.
and
how many superbowls have we won sitting pat and developing players?
i think the patriots are a little closer to the gold football than we are.
How many superbowls have the Vikings, Red Skins, Bengals, Cowboys, and Raiders been to in the last decade?
No team has made it further than us.
by Danwood on Oct 22, 2010 5:51 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
And
Just how many ‘gold footballs’ have the Patriots won in the five years that TT has been occupying the office at 1265?
Yeah, that’s right.
Zero!
Not even after BB outbid TT for Randy Moss.
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TT bashers - turning my stomach since 2005!
The glass is way more than half-full!
haha educate yourself…hilarious.
Here is something to educate yourself on. The Packers HAVE to remain profitable. The money coming in from the city isn’t coming in for player salaries. Its for development and growth. The packers don’t have owners pockets to dig into so they have to stay profitable or they have to start to pull money from the reserves and I am SURE the taxpayers don’t want another referendum to build that back up again. Last year the Packers only made $4 million…that means if they had signed one marque player in FA they would have been losing money. Just cause there is a salary cap doesn’t mean teams are making money at the cap amount. There is some EDUCATION for you.
And while we are at it, “we aren’t those teams”? What does that mean? You are right the pats do use FA quite a bit but its RARELY for marquee players, mostly role players and bench depth. Most of their big players on the roster are homegrown.
by TrevorR on Oct 22, 2010 7:08 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
ahhh----young grasshoppers
nothing like not knowing the facts since you live nowhere near the area.
The money coming in from the city isn’t coming in for player salaries. Its for development and growth.
i should’ve guessed that YOU would believe this to be true. LOL!
correction——the money is coming in from the county, which is bigger than the city.
You can't complain about how TT didn't pick up a FA this offseason
When you can’t give me a reasonable answer as to who you would have liked him to pick up. Hell, if we’re playing the game where you don’t have to give reasonable alternatives, I’d like the Packers to have a defensive backfield of Woodson, Revis, Ed Reed, Polumalu, and Asomugha as the nickel CB, each for the veteran’s minimum. I don’t care how you do it TT, GET IT DONE!
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
Nah heck with Revis pick up that guy from oakland
Nnamdi or whatever, now there’s a solid CB that you actaully have a chance of getting right now!
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
He listed him as the nickleback.
The guy’s name is Nnamdi Asomugha. In the lineup I think I’d rather put Woodson at nickel. Let Revis and Nnamdi lock their guys up and give Charles more of a chance to make plays all over the field.
Your Right
Very good question Greg and it is one I can’t answer. I was venting becasue I guess I was being partially jealous of some other teams that go out and get big-name players(e.g.Jets and Bears). Peppers I agree would not ever fit in on this team or the defensive scheme for that matter. I was little sour 2 off seasons ago when I wish the Pack would have made a play on free agent linebackers Bart Scott or Terrell Suggs.
I think this is all frustration due to the way things are going this season. Teams like New England, Baltimore, Philly and Pittsburgh are consistently pretty good each year without huge free agent splashes. Also, our 2nd and 3rd team guys have been holding down the fort pretty well so far, so in actuallity(probably not a real word), I have to give my hats off to TT and the packers recruiting staff.
But you can’t tell me it wouldn’t be nice to have Tomlinson in the backfield, even if he is a bit past his prime. But who knew Grant would get injured.
Again, my frustration is stemming from the freak bad luck we’ve been having with injuries.
Guess I’ll just take a deep breath and ealize its only 6 games in and hope the Pack can make the necessary adjustments and tweaks to get back on track.
I certainly understand being frustrated
Obviously, in hindsight, LT would have been at least an interesting signing, but considering at the time he looked pretty washed up and still wanted a large contract, it would have really been against TT’s philosophy to sign him. I also wonder how much of LT’s “resurgence” is due to the Jets’ amazing O-line. That certainly isn’t hurting matters.
As a side note, does anyone know what the size of the contract LT signed with the Jets was?
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
So, um
not to look too hard at the schedule…
but if we don’t generate pass rush against the Vikings, we are going to lose that game. Possibly badly.
I believe we can win a shootout
Because the Viking’s secondary has been pretty awful. However, the requires receivers to catch the ball. That worries me.
Based on what? We haven’t put up big points on anyone outside of Buffalo yet this year. I don’t see how you think a shootout is something we can be competitive unless something changes in the offense this year. Maybe the Vikings are JUST what we need to snap out of the funk??
Well
A shootout implies that both teams are putting up points. Thus the second part, if we catch balls, that would go a long way towards us putting up points.
yeah my point was that I don’t see either team putting up a lot of points. Neither teams offense is running at peak efficiency right now.
The opportunity is there for us
Our apparent offensive strength is the Vikings defensive strength.
Works the same the other way
Actually, honestly I think your offense is more potent than ours by a long shot. Not that I’m hating on the Vikes but Favre is starting to look his age and tendonitus on his elbow isn’t helping matters. We should be a team that can put up 35 points a game and yet struggle to get 20 up.
The place I think we will beat you will be special teams. Our special team action against Dallas was flawless. If we can do that again I think we have a chance. We just need to get short field on you. Also, while Minnesota has not had as many sacks as we had last year we are putting a lot of pressure on QB’s and I see that being another issue for you guys.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Good post. Field position will play a huge role, and I think you guys will win that time and time again. Our punter has been up and down, and is usually good for one or two punts with absolutely no hang time. Your punter seems to boom them 60 yards every punt haha. And that’s not even mentioning that we’re terrible on punt coverage. It’s like a double edged sword for us really.
by packallday555 on Oct 19, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
How is the Vikings pass rush doing?
It’s an away game, so I expect Jared Allen to be terrible – what about the rest of them? I haven’t watched much Vikings football this year. Did they get after Romo at all yesterday?
by Archibaldcrane on Oct 18, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm...
…looks like Romo wasn’t sacked once, and the Dallas O-Line is pretty abysmal. And they were in Minnesota.
That is good news. Was there a lot of pressure and he was throwing it away, or just not getting it done in that department at all?
by Archibaldcrane on Oct 18, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Romo ran around quite a bit and threw some bad passes
Two that came in for ints. We had solid pressure on him but teams are game planning away from deeper passes against us so they can keep their QB’s on the field. If you work us with short passes we’ll be in trouble. However, from what I’ve seen of GB it looks like you are looking for the long ball more and more and I think that will end up biting you.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Hey I like this guy! Informative and insightful, thought-out posts. And yet a Viking fan. Curious.
Of course I’m kidding about Vikings fans. I think everyone thinks their rivals’ fans are the worst. When everyone knows Bears fans are the biggest jerks out there!
by I voted for Kodos on Oct 19, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Clay Matthews ending Brents career next week would salvage this season for me
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by blackoutsox on Oct 18, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
bah
let Brett go out with a whimper, I say.
he’ll not be able to withstand an entire season giving himself Cortisone shots in his elbow (he won’t be able to do so again this week, I believe), so it’ll only get worse for him. it’ll be Brett’s year with the Jets all over again – hopefully without another creeptastic sexting controversy for us to endure.
speaking of, should be interesting to see what falls out with the league office in the coming weeks once they get their claws into that whole mess. Goodell should be under a lot of pressure to mete out some hefty punishment given what happened in the allegedly semi-consensual non-work related ugliness with Ben Rapistberger.
If Sterger's not complaining
I think it’ll be up to the massage therapists to make the case that he was sexually harassing people.
I’m actually kind of hoping he retires mid-season “because of his elbow” (heavy quotes) before he can get suspended if that writing is on the wall. I wonder if Goodell would come to him and say “ok so I’m going to suspend you if you keep playing, but you can just retire and save yourself the shame if you like”.
by Archibaldcrane on Oct 18, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
i have a feeling any suspension is not coming until the beginning of next year
which of course will be the time favre reties
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I said this awhile ago...
I think the NFL and Goodell sit on this whole situation, all the while saying we are “investigating” it and nothing happens till the season ends at which time it gets shoved under the rug by the Favre finally retires for good stories! I will be pleasantly surprised if Favre actually has to deal w/ any fallout of this situation (other than crying w/ his teammates).
WOuld absolutely LOVE to hear Goodell come out and suspend Favre w/ no warning for 4 games! But I don’t think that will ever happen…
Only thing better would be a Matthews explosion on Favre that ends #4’s season and career in one shot!
You've been Stroh'd!!!
Why?
What happened? I don’t even know why this is being investigated. The woman stated she didn’t have sex with Favre. The phone used wasn’t ‘FAvres. The picture that has gone around is maybe a picture of Favre. Currently it looks like two people who work for the same orginization were flirting with each other. So that’s illegal? Favre wasn’t even in her direct line of management. Hell I’ve dated someone at work (bad idea) and I never got arrested for it.
Just because someone yells fire doesn’t mean something is burning.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
It's being investigated as possible harassment
That being said this:
Just because someone yells fire doesn’t mean something is burning.
is very important to remember as well
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
doesn't have to be illegal
to be considered conduct detrimental to the league.
The whole Ben Rapistberger™ dust-up was considered not even worthy of bringing charges, but he still had to eat a suspension by the league. If Favre was indeed doing creeptastic stuff to a team employee, then that’s an issue that needs to be addressed, lest that sort of behavior be considered okay. Which, being sexual harassment, it is of course not.
And yes, you’re right in one sense – it could be nothing at all. It could be someone else. It could be consensual shenanigans between two consenting, albeit adulterous adults. Or it could be harassment, and the league has a vested interest in ensuring all league employees act in a sufficiently professional, non-criminal manner.
And far be it from me, as a long-time Packer fan, to revel in the possibility of a little bit of schadenfreude when it comes to Favre.
Loser talk.
If the Packers were better, Brett Favre would be an afterthought.
by uglyfatpimplynerd on Oct 18, 2010 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
This
"Hawk Harrelson: Annoying even the hearing impaired": Teahenny Penny paraphrasing Chisoxfan1473
by NorthSidePaulie on Oct 19, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
No pass rush w/o Clay?
I’ve been sayin that since the end on last year and why I wanted Hughes in the draft! Simply must find another OLB to compliment Matthews! Without 2 good ones its just way too easy to find Matthews and get him blocked. Teams know they need to locate Matthews prior to the snap and account for him. Nice to have interior pass rushers as well, but they mostly prevent the QB from stepping up, they don’t get the hits on the QB. When we find a compliment to Matthews our defensive problems largely go away!!!
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A pass rush is important
but not as important as keeping Rodgers protected. For that reason I’m glad we picked up Bulaga, though admittedly I’d have been happy with Hughes or Kindle. So far, I would definitely take Bulaga over the injured Kindle and the invisible Hughes but there’s a long ways to go on that decision.
by I voted for Kodos on Oct 18, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Bulaga was the right pick.
Cuz LT are much harder to find. But if our D is ever going to dominate, we need another OLB that will put the fear of God in opposing QB’s!
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Pass-Rushing OLBs
Have helped keep the Steelers in the mix since what, the mid-nineties?
by I voted for Kodos on Oct 19, 2010 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Seriously! Seems like any guy they plug in almost always flourishes. Even for their inside linebackers.
by packallday555 on Oct 19, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
That’s an interesting read. Sounds like he’s done literally nothing this season aside from play sparingly on special teams.
by packallday555 on Oct 19, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I could've told you that the day after he was picked!
by Bush League All Star on Oct 19, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
OMG I just realized I just Stroh'd someone!
by Bush League All Star on Oct 19, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Um
Perhaps we could try to steal Aaron Maybin from the Bills who they are not playing due to him being really raw though he has the tools to be a good pass rushing OLB.
By the sounds of you guys are saying, it seems Clay will play this next game
That’s good. If he is out though or out in any future games and Mike Neal is available, I would put 4 defensive linemen in on the Nickel/Dime Packages. I trust Neal will get to the QB over Jones or Poppinga. I trust Jenkins over Zombo. Use Raji and rotate Wynn and Pickett and Wilson on the inside. It gears a little away from the 3-4 in that sense, but it’s a temporary solution when Clay goes down. Obviously it will only work when Neal is active and healthy though. I think this is our best option to generate a little pass rush when Clay is not in. Maintaining in the same system in the Nickel and Dime without Clay just proved to be disastrous against Miami and in the 2nd Half against Washington.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
I think I like this idea. Maybe throw in some Bishop blitzes?
by I voted for Kodos on Oct 18, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
And of course some Woodson blitzes
by I voted for Kodos on Oct 18, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
When exactly is
Neal going to be "active and healthy "?
Serious question for the blog here. What’s the lowdown with his shoulder?
"Hawk Harrelson: Annoying even the hearing impaired": Teahenny Penny paraphrasing Chisoxfan1473
by NorthSidePaulie on Oct 19, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
No idea but it has me kind of worried that he’s had a couple of injuries now this season. Seems like he’s having trouble staying healthy.
by packallday555 on Oct 19, 2010 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
If
we drop 7 in coverage and 3 receivers are out in patterns, that means we could have double teamed each receiver and still had a ‘rover’. But, Henne still went 13-16. Kinda like when we rush 3. That means 8 guys in coverage and we could double team as many as 4 receivers, but teams still pass against us. I dont get it.
"linebackers"
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Its because Miami has this novel new concept the MM hasn't figure out yet
It’s called showing dedication to the run. With Miami running the ball consistanly (not good numbers but just a good amount of times) our pass rush had to respect their ability to run. So while our linebackers and D-line are watching to see if its a run or a pass it gives the O-line a split second or so to get position and leverage on our pass rush giving them way more time to throw the ball
by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 18, 2010 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So true
This is why backyard football has a “5 Mississippi” count.
by I voted for Kodos on Oct 19, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Opposing quaterback will just sit back and open a nice cold bottle of Coors light, finishing it, then throwing a TD before any packer defense gets to him. I could imagine Favre giggling and grinning back there having all day to chose his target and chest bumping after a TD passes, sick to my stomach.
Guys needs to step up, every game is a Super Bowl. Meaning no penalties, tackle like you have claws, catch the ball! protect Rodger, playing smarter and harder…while trying not to get hurt at the same time.
GO Packer!
by GB_now_or_never on Oct 18, 2010 7:51 PM CDT reply actions
Pass Rush
The reason why we didn’t have any pass rush against the Dolphins was because Dolphins were using max protection most of the time. Our secondary should have been able to hold up considering the Fins were mostly only using 2 or 3 WRs, but they failed. Also Not only was our unsung hero Ryan Pickett out but his backup Mike Neal was out too which left rookie CJ Wilson, who never looked impressive to begin with, starting at DE. I really hope CM3, Pickett, and possibly Harris, and Atari can play this week against the Vikings.
Pickett and Matthews should play.
But I wouldn’t hold out hope for Harris and Bigby! Just coming off PUP and at the very least they need to get in game shape, while the Packers see if they can contribute soon. Doubt either of them play…
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