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Trade Deadline: A place for all trade desires and rumors


Maybe this will help to keep the site clean of too many trade rumors and talking about trades people think we should do. There's a lot of trade blabber out there right now with the deadline hitting on Tuesday (I think) so lets get it all out of our system in here.

What do you want to see the GM do? What rumors are you hearing? Lets make an effort to keep it all in one place so we don't end up with 10 fanposts about things that very likely won't happen...

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merriman or another 3-4 olb pass rush killed defense

by nfcnorth21 on Oct 18, 2010 1:55 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree 100%

We have to go after Merriman…this past game show that we have a “subtle” pass rush at best without Mathews…Say what you want about Merriman…but if we have him opposite of Mathews, it will work out for Mathews, our pass rush, and Merriman….If we dont make a move for Merriman or like TrevorR mentioned Willis Mcgehee….our post season hopes are bleek at best….Finley is gone for the year…we need some help on offense obviously…

by SpaceGhost34 on Oct 18, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I might be with ya…really we talk about pass rush and how we have none and there are two guys, Adallius Thomas and Merriman that will be just sitting out there without a team that while maybe they aren’t what they were but they are still experienced 3-4 LBs that were once GREAT…If we can get above average out of them its a huge win at this point…and at very little cost. Just some money! :-)

by TrevorR on Oct 18, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

pass.

He won’t be back for a while.

They want power. We want respect...

by SenorChuckles on Oct 18, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are we ready for primetime

After the way our offense shot itself in the foot with false starts followed by sacks, I am beginning to believe our entire team is not ready for primetime. I don’t think one player coming in will solve the problem.

Running back would, imo, help the most. It would open up the passing game, take pressure off Rodgers, make defenses respect our run and threby benefit passing game.
Problem here, though, can our line block any more. Sitton is a beast, but Wells and Clifton I don’t know about their run-blocking skills anymore. Bulaga should be able to, but as a whole I don’t know.

Pass Rusher-doesnt’ look liek any other team has one available or would part with one. This would definitely help.

Cornerback-I’d say don’t fix it if it aint broke, but we haven;’t been lit up too badly, but I think this comes back to pass rush. Also, we got Harris and maybe Bigby coming back in next couple weeks, so not too horrible.

Special teams ace-Loss of martin hurts and lack of a weapon on punt and kickoff returns sucks.

Head Coach-????

by stallis on Oct 18, 2010 2:21 PM CDT reply actions  

I think you might be right with the RB…might be the one position that could really turn around our struggling offense. I don’t think its that the guys there can’t put up 100 a game, I think its more about giving our HC the confidence that he has someone that he trusts. That said, now that we’ve waited THIS long if we are just looking for a bandaid for this year then we might as well just see what Starks can do. I was all for trading weeks ago but now he’s ready to start practicing so anyone that comes in will be at about the same place as Starks. Now if we are talking LT replacement, then RB is a nice move and you have to go after DeAngelo of all the names out there right now. IMO

by TrevorR on Oct 18, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like Williams best of all the RB names out there as well

My only concern is the guy is 27, and I don’t know how “long term” he would be. On the other hand, he does have less than 1000 touches in his career, so he’s probably fresher than most 27-year old RB.

Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"

by GoGregGo on Oct 18, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ryan Grant turns 28 in December so he’s still younger than Grant and probably has less wear on him (and isn’t coming off a major season ending injury). Plus we still have STarks who could learn a LOT from a talented back like Williams.

Maybe we turn around and trade away grant to get a pick or two back.

by TrevorR on Oct 18, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point about Grant being older

I doubt we’d get much for him in a trade though, seeing as he would be coming off of that injury

Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"

by GoGregGo on Oct 18, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

We might have to throw in one of our own draft selections + Ryan Grant

to get real value out of the deal IMO. That injury will get exaggerated by some teams, but eventually someone will see value in RG and pick him up.

Who would we get out of that deal, though?

Obviously, Minnesota will hire John L. Smith to be their next head football coach.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 21, 2010 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I want to do a Reversal. I think our season is so bleak...

…with all our injuries. So, is it time for US to dump our huge salaries? For example, AJ Hawk is scheduled to make 10 million next year…also, guys like Spitz, Colledge, Jenkins (who I hope we keep).

Problem is, with all our injuries, we probably can’t get rid of anyone. Not sure if the fan base would stand for it either.

But with Minny, the Jets and Dallas coming, we could be 3 – 6 real easy.

Maybe it’s us who should be trading away big salaries.

by PackFaninFL on Oct 18, 2010 2:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah...

Getting rid of someone like AJ might be a good move but then you almost HAVE to bring in someone like Merriman or we won’t have any LBs left.

The NFL doesn’t really trade away for salary though…not like MLB at least.

by TrevorR on Oct 18, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

THis isn't MLB...

Teams don’t do salary dumping trades to build for the future! We already have a GM who is always building for the future… No need to dump salary, as you say!!!

Hawk won’t be back next year. He is going to make 10M next year and the Packers won’t pay him that… ANd no team is going to take him cuz of his salary! Go back to baseball…

You've been Stroh'd!!!

by Strohman on Oct 18, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

A.J.

might well get asked to restructure his contract to be more friendly to the team if he turns in a medium to lackluster season. If he doesn’t…

He gets a boot to the head!

Obviously, Minnesota will hire John L. Smith to be their next head football coach.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 21, 2010 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll break down your questions one by one

Oakland = No thanks in Asomugha. We’re fine at CB w/ Woody and Tramon… especially w/ Al coming back this week (hopefully) and I’ll lump all the RB’s together here as well. BJack and Kuhn are both averaging 4+ yards/carry. Thats just fine in my book so I don’t think we need a different back, just a coach that utilizes what we have.

Carolina = Steve Smith might be nice because I think we need a number 1 guy (Greg can’t get open ever) and someone who can hold onto the damn ball. Deanglo is the exception to my talk about RBs above, he’s young enough we could get a few years from him and could get him pretty cheap (3rd maybe 4th) hopefully since Carolina has an abundance of RBs and his contracts up at the end of the year

McGahee and Barber = see above rant at the end of Oakland

Champ Bailey = See rant about Asomugha

As mentioned above, the biggest thing we could use is a pass rusher. Unfortunately there aren’t any pass rushers out there for trade atm that I know of. I don’t want Merriman (he’s been horrible since he got caught Juicing and had to stop) and Adalius Thomas is still a free agent for a reason.

FInally the HC – Yes, I want him gone like a lot of other people here do. Unfortunately you can’t really make that type change in the middle of the season so we’re stuck w/ MM until the end of the year but I do think we need to look at a change in the offseason

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 18, 2010 2:40 PM CDT reply actions  

They weren’t really questions. Just putting all the rumors I am seeing people mention in other threads in one place.

by TrevorR on Oct 18, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Question

probably wasn’t the best word to use so sorry about that

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 18, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think

or at least thats the plan for Al when he’s back next week hopefully

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 18, 2010 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wood at Safety?

Is that what you think the plan is?… Not a chance!!! To win in todays NFL you must be able to play some semblance of pass D and pass rush. Wood will play the slot CB in nickel situations like he was early last year. And don’t be too surprised to see his playmaking increase from that position! Packers have Bigby coming back and just acquired Smith to re-inforce the safety position. Wood and Williams will still be the starting CB’s. In nickel, Harris will come in and play an outside CB, allowing Wood to play inside where he can make more plays! Thats what the Packers need!!! More big plays, turnover plays on D…

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by Strohman on Oct 19, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah…you are totally right on this one. No way Wood moves to safety now or actually in the future IMO.

by TrevorR on Oct 19, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wood

I still thought Wood at safety made sense later in his career. But the drafting of Burnett pretty much ends that idea! IMO

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by Strohman on Oct 19, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

My top 5

1. AP
2. Polamalu
3. Revis
4. Chris Johnson
5. Calvin Johnson

I know it’s possible, I totally did it in Madden

by Danwood on Oct 18, 2010 3:09 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

lol how?

You remove the cap?

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Oct 18, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha

nice. Did you start in 2007 and do a redraft?

by TrevorR on Oct 18, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don’t forget DeMarcus Ware. The Cowboys are in fire sale mode, right? ;)

"I agree but dont agree"

by juggernaut400 on Oct 18, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Miles Austin would make a nice complement to Jennings too!

by TrevorR on Oct 18, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

He'd provide excellent value

to the BENCH! Could you see Austin starting over James Jones and Jordy Nelson?

Obviously, Minnesota will hire John L. Smith to be their next head football coach.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 21, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

BTW...

I just noticed that Jamon Merideth was cut by the Lions…anyone want to go grab him back again. He MUST be a LONG way from being good if he can’t make the Lions or Bills rosters…

by TrevorR on Oct 18, 2010 4:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Meredith

IMO needs time on the practice squad… Unfortunately I don’t think he’s eligible cuz he was on Buffalo’s 53 too much. If you could put him on PS and give him time to develop he could be really good. But that opportunity no longer exists as far as I know. Meredith cost himself a chance at a good career by going to Buff and being on their 53.

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by Strohman on Oct 18, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah you might be onto something there. Sometimes its best to be patient and give yourself time to work on your craft. I know I wasn’t ready for the big time right out of tschool I needed time to learn a lot on the fly yet.

by TrevorR on Oct 18, 2010 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oakland-I doubt they are gonna trade any of them. Nnamdi’s contract is untradeable
Panthers- I would love to trade for DeAngelo Williams, but I don’t see them trading him
I wouldnt mind McGahee if it didnt cost too much
Marion Barber=NO
Champ Bailey is one of my favorite players and I would love to trade for him, but I doubt the Broncos will shop him

by Yankees10 on Oct 18, 2010 5:05 PM CDT reply actions  

oh yeah

and I doubt we make any big moves. Maybe a smaller move or 2

by Yankees10 on Oct 18, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

That being said

I’d love to bring in Jonathan Stewart out of that hopeless mess in Carolina.

Obviously, Minnesota will hire John L. Smith to be their next head football coach.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 21, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

he ain’t going anywhere…but we could get DeAngelo next year as he’ll be a FA

by TrevorR on Oct 22, 2010 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I really like this idea

Especially w/ Ryan coming back from the type of injury he had… there’s no garuntee he’ll ever return to pre-injury form

by Goldenarmadillo4 on Oct 22, 2010 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why on God’s green earth would they franchise him? The team is in rebuilding mode, they don’t need DeAngelo, they have Stewart…they certainly don’t need his payroll. There is NO way he’s franchised…especially at 28.

by TrevorR on Oct 24, 2010 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

That’s kind of what I was thinking too but even if he does hit the market, I doubt Thompson will give up the kind of $$$ he’ll likely want.

by packallday555 on Oct 24, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I highly doubt it too. But I can’t imagine why a team that is clearly going to be rebuilding would franchise a 28 year old RB when they have another potentially great one waiting the wings. Especially in a small market like Carolina is in…

by TrevorR on Oct 25, 2010 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I’m sure he’ll go. That team is clearly in rebuilding mode, and Williams is in the prime of his career.

by packallday555 on Oct 25, 2010 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Franchise

At the very least you Franchise him so you can get fair market value or close to it! Even if they don’t want him to build around it at least ensures they get something more than a 3rd or 4th rd pick for him!

So they Franchise him and trade him a la Corey Williams!!!

Then its up to the Packers to decide if trading a 1st and a mid round pick is worth it! Then you know that Thomspon won’t make that trade, but some other team likely will…

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by Strohman on Oct 26, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its not as easy as just saying, “oh you just franchise him”. Franchised guys don’t get traded that often. Sure it happened once for us but its rare.

They aren’t going to get a 1st and a mid round for a 28 year old back who has maybe 3 years left of quality play. Corey Williams was just entering his prime…Williams is nearing the end of his. So they franchise him and then they can’t trade him and they are wasting money on a second running back and wasting another solid year of allowing their future back to progress to an elite level.

Maybe they will, I won’t say there is no way it happens, but I don’t think they will…and there is NO way they get even a first for him. Especially with plenty of decent backs that are likely going to be in the draft and other pending FAs. People just don’t give up high picks like that for RBs. Maybe for an AP or CJ kind of guy but you aren’t going to see 1sts out there for RBs aside from the elite ones in the prime of their career and they will never be available.

by TrevorR on Oct 26, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Corey Williams was about 28 at the time he was franchised and traded.

I know RB have a shorter shelf life, but you didn’t refer to that just CW was entering his prime. The actual ages are very close I think.

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by Strohman on Oct 27, 2010 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

He was 28, but 28 for a Dlineman is very different than 28 for a RB. Plus with him entering his prime and coming off a GREAT season, we still only got a 2nd for him. There is no way Carolina gets anything close to that for Williams if they try this.

by TrevorR on Oct 27, 2010 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

I DID say that RB have shorter shelf life!

So was there really a need to throw the DL is different thing back? No, I had already covered it… Quite try to prove your right when I already prefaced it!

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by Strohman on Oct 27, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Seems risky. What if the franchise him, and can’t trade him? Then they have to pay top dollar and hold that big contract.

by packallday555 on Oct 26, 2010 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

In that case you remove the Franchise and release him.

But at least then you TRIED to recoup some value for him! Makes no sense at all, not to at least try to get something in the draft immediately instead of waiting for a year and getting at best a 3rd or 4th!

He gets Franchised for sure IMO… Like I said makes no sense to not even try!

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by Strohman on Oct 27, 2010 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

They didn’t try to trade him this year, why would they next? They were going no where this year and there was actually interest from teams who had no other options. When the off season hits, there will be FA backs and rookies to draft. The market for a guy like Williams at his age in a trade will be VERY minimal. Heck the Chargers couldn’t even get anyone to trade for Turner and he was much younger and just entering his prime. Look at what the Bills got for Lynch and that was with some teams that actually had a need with no where to go to get anyone else.

If we weren’t talking about a RB, then yes, I might agree, but the consensus across the league is that RBs have VERY little value on the trade market and most GMs feel like RBs are a dime a dozen. I can’t think of many teams that would rather trade for a 28 year old back than spend that same draft pick (lets say a 2nd or 3rd) on a young draft pick that they could get 10 years out of.

by TrevorR on Oct 27, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Trade

No they didn’t trade him, that doesn’t mean they didn’t try to though. Carolina has always been a 2 RB team. Always relied heavily on the running game, so why would they then toss away a player of Williams abiltiy and get nothing for him? That makes even less sense.

The Bills had to take alot less than Lynch’s value cuz it was already so deep into the season! Teams get better value in the offseason for players cuz then they can go thru OTA’s and training camp and KNOW the system and be fully integrated into the team. During the season you have to force feed him the offense and hope for the best.

DeAngelo doesn’t have that heavy of a workload on his body either. Been splitting carries w/ Stewart for the past 3 yrs and w/ someone else before that… He doesn’t have the carries or touches someone like Ahman Green had when he was 28. DeAngelo probably has an extended shelf life for a RB due to having split carries for his entire career. Probably makes him more like THomas Jones, who at 32 is still being productive. Jones wasn’t used much his first couple years in the NFL, that extended his shelf life. Its not just about age, its more about touches… Age become a concern when they get near 30 and have been used hard for their entire career, like Ahman was…

IMO, DeAngelo still has 5 good years left for those reasons!

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by Strohman on Oct 27, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

he never likes to make trades when we need it the most. I dont understand it at all. Like why didnt we get Lynch? He has to make some moves and not only rely on the draft for talent.

by jerjersteiny24 on Oct 18, 2010 6:41 PM CDT reply actions  

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by blackoutsox on Oct 18, 2010 7:23 PM CDT reply actions  

For what it's worth

Lynch got 17 carries last wk. for 2.5/carry.

by bigbill992001 on Oct 18, 2010 8:08 PM CDT reply actions  

a little early for a comment like that. How did Jackson do in his first game starting this year?

by TrevorR on Oct 18, 2010 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

17 carries

You can give him all the carries you want. They can force feed the ball to him all they want… But till he knows the blocking schemes and the offense he will get little done.

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by Strohman on Oct 18, 2010 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

well lets see…he obviously was okay with the blocking schemes or he wouldn’t have been playing much. On top of that the offense did pretty well and actually won the game. Its okay, I know you were wrong…you don’t have to come out and admit it.

by TrevorR on Oct 18, 2010 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like I said...

They are force feeding him the ball… Doesn’t mean he’ll get alot done. Can say run to this gap, but until you understand the blocking schemes and have experience playing it, like in training camp. you don’t have that “feel” of how to run each play the best, or where the opportunities for big runs are going to be.

And its not like Seattle has any other options to run the ball consistently! Washington is a 3rd down RB and specialty player, not an every down RB!

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by Strohman on Oct 19, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well its been one week and he’s already a MAJOR part of the offense and was up against a quality run D. Next week you’ll see he’ll be solid. You are just making guesses that aren’t based on facts. He was in on early downs. He was blocking and Forsett was in primarily on passing downs. Lynch started the game and will start every game and with their schedule will probably do fairly well despite being on a team with a mediocre D.

By the way, Forsett would be the other option, not Washington. Washington has been reduced to basically a ST player.

by TrevorR on Oct 19, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seattle

Again thats in seattle where Hasselbeck is playing out the string and if he gets hurt they don’t care! They need a Franchise QB anyway… In GB w/ Rodgers, the story is quite different. They wouldn’t put him on the field till he knew the offense and could protect Rodgers if called upon on 1s and 2nd downs. Otherwise you might get Rodgers killed and that would end a season or possibly a career! You don’t take chances w/ a Franchise QB like Rodgers. And using Lynch before he knows the plays and audibles and blitz pickups would potentially put Rodgers in harms way. And I still don’t think Lynch does much of anything this year for Seattle!

Just cuz he’s being force fed the ball, due to lack of other playmakers, doesn’t mean that would happen in GB! Your guessing as much as I am…

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by Strohman on Oct 20, 2010 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

The following are facts:

Vs. Chicago:

Hasselbeck: 242 yds passing, 25/40, 1 TD
Mike Williams: 10 catches 123 yds
Forsett: 10 carries 67 yards, 1 TD, 1 catch 9 yards
Lynch: 17 carries 44 yards 1 TD, 3 catches 9 yards
Deon Butler: 4 catches 47 yards 1 TD

The following is opinion:

This box score doesn’t really support your fact that Seattle was “force feeding” Lynch or that Seattle has a “lack of other playmakers.” And you really think no one cares in Seattle if Hasselbeck gets hurt? A team that’s tied for first in it’s division and has Charlie Whitehurst as a backup QB?

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by GoGregGo on Oct 20, 2010 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Here’s another stat that is a FACT.

  1. of sacks by the Bears last week: ZERO.

There is nothing to support what Stroh is saying. Its just a misguided opinion.

by TrevorR on Oct 20, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

Lynch 17 carries for 44 yds and Forsett 10 for 67 seems ALOT like force feeding Lynch the ball, at the expense of a more productive option… That seems the epitome of force feeding him the ball!!!

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by Strohman on Oct 20, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or

They brought Lynch in for more short-yardage plays and Forsett for longer downs. Force-feeding is not equal to 17 carries in a game, especially when you have another back carry 10 times and you throw the ball 40. That sounds like a 60/40 timeshare between a work-horse back and a 3rd down type back. *Looks at Seattle depth chart: Hey, what do you know, they’re a prototypical work-horse and 3rd down back combo.

Also, you can’t have it both ways saying that there was a “more productive option” now when before you said they had a “lack of other playmakers.” Which one is it?

Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"

by GoGregGo on Oct 20, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

But

When you give Lynch the ball 17 times for less than half the YPC, and don’t give the ball to the more productive RB it IS forcing the ball to him! I don’t care about the % of passes to runs. Its all about production in the running game when your comparing RB! What do you think the rest of the players on the team care about? Do they want production or do they want Lynch to feel welcome? Pretty sure the ONLY thing the rest of the players care about is production!

Clearly the Seattle FO is giving him the ball to justify the trade to the fans. Not to the people who really matter… The rest of the players on the team!

Does Seattle have any playmakers at WR? At TE? At QB? No, not really, and the player that IS making the most of his plays is sitting more than the guy who is doing little!

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by Strohman on Oct 20, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does Seattle have playmakers at

WR? 10 catches for 123 yards isn’t a playmaker?
TE? John Carlson is a solid TE
QB? I’ll give you Hasselbeck is no Manning, but he’s no Jason Campbell either.

And no, that’s not forcing him the ball. It’s the strategy of not using a 3rd down back on every down. The Chargers didn’t use Sproles every down last year, even though he had a better YPC than Tomlinson. Forsett is not an every down back.

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by GoGregGo on Oct 20, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

agree to disagree

I think it absolutely is force feeding him the ball!!! And I don’t care that one WR had one good game… WHat does that prove? He has some abiltiy but certainly doesnt make him a playmaker! Hasselbeck at this point isn’t much more than Campbell either! A solid TE isn’t a playmaker either…

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by Strohman on Oct 20, 2010 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow Stroh this is one of your worst arguments. You usually have pretty good logic but this one is missing the marker by a lot.

Javon Ringer is averaging more yards per carry this season than Chris Johnson. Should the Titans be concerned about this and wanting Ringer because he’s “more productive”? Same thing goes with Jason Snelling and Michael Turner. In fact it happens a lot. There are a lot of reasons why the main ball carrier will have lower per carry averages, the least of which is because they are a worse running back.

I’ll use some of your own reasoning you used with me. Pete Carroll knows his team A LOT better than you do, I think he knows whats best for them. Pretty sure there is NO need to “justify a trade” in the first week anyway.

by TrevorR on Oct 20, 2010 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

again, Lynch was in on running downs when runs were expected and teams had more guys in the box. Forsett was in on passing downs when teams had more guys back in coverage. You also have lynch out there on X and short downs which rarely are big yardage gainers. Not saying Lynch had a great game just that he is their bell cow. They used him a lot right from the start. He is going to continue to be their guy from the get go…just like I said the whole time.

I know this concept isn’t over your head.

by TrevorR on Oct 20, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

of course it was...

I took it as sarcasm which is why I gave the response I did. It was Lynch’s first game, you have to temper your expectations. The impressive part is that after two weeks he was on the field running the ball 17 despite it being (apparently) impossible for that to happen for about 6 weeks.

by TrevorR on Oct 18, 2010 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Never said you cant' put him on the field for 6 wks...

Or give him carries. Just that he won’t be very effective. Doesn’t matter much in Sea where they aren’t expecting much from the team, but in GB where you have a Franchise QB and a team w/ playoff aspirations and maybe SB hopes, its a little different! Seattle is going to need a new QB very soon anyway. All respect to Hasselbeck, but his days are very numbered as an NFL QB! If Hasselbeck get hurt it doesn’t change the long term or short much. If Rodgers gets hurt, it dramatically affects the Packers season!!! And possibly the season after too.

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by Strohman on Oct 19, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are overrating how hard it is to pick up blocking assignments.

by TrevorR on Oct 19, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think Seattle would be thrilled with leaving Hasselbeck out to dry

regardless to the degree they’re depending on him. Most teams do not enjoy having their quarterback hurt and sacked.

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by GoGregGo on Oct 19, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah…its a pretty ridiculous thing to say really.

by TrevorR on Oct 20, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where did I say they would be thrilled losing him?

ABSOLUTELY Nowhere!!! I suggested that he isn’t their long term QB and losing him wouldn’t hurt them as much as us losing Rodgers! Thats ALL I said… Quite trying to put words in my mouth!!!

Try reading what I write for a change w/o reading something rediculous into it!

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by Strohman on Oct 20, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because when I say thrilled

I’m definitely saying that Seattle would be jumping for joy with losing Hasselbeck. *eye roll

I don’t think I’m that off-base interpreting this:

Again thats in seattle where Hasselbeck is playing out the string and if he gets hurt they don’t care!

as you saying Seattle doesn’t give two craps whether Hasselbeck gets hurt or not.

Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"

by GoGregGo on Oct 20, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does Hasselbeck getting hurt change the Seattle plans in the long term? No. They need to replace him soon anyway. Does losing Rodgers hurt the Packers Long term plans? Absolutely…

What I did say is losing Hasselbeck doesn’t change the Seattle plans in either the short or long term! Or do you think thats not the case?

It was a comparison of the 2 situations, not a straight statement and I’m pretty sure I mentioned that… Since I followed it w/ the statement about losing Rodgers.

You've been Stroh'd!!!

by Strohman on Oct 20, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh

So now I’m suppose to read into your comments? I thought I was supposed to just read what you wrote.

And yes it changes Seattle’s plans in the short term at the very least. They’re playing for a playoff spot with Pete “Win Forever” Carroll. Going to Whitehurst is a HUGE drop off.

I would argue it changes long term plans as well (not to the extent that an injury to Rodgers would, but still affect them), as they may be able to squeeze a few more productive seasons out of him, giving them additional time to find a new franchise QB so they don’t have to force the issue.

Whatever, I’m done arguing with your preposterous position.

Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"

by GoGregGo on Oct 20, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

No reading anything necessary

When I made it perfectly clear I was comparing the 2 situations!

You've been Stroh'd!!!

by Strohman on Oct 20, 2010 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

First game against a tough run stuffing D.

Pretty impressed he played for THAT many plays with two weeks. I thought there was NO way a player could show up and do something in less than six week…and his team even won and his QB didn’t end up in the ER.

by TrevorR on Oct 18, 2010 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a coaching decision, isn't it?

Carroll chose to run the ball. MM doesn’t.

by MikeDB on Oct 18, 2010 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's fighting with Stroh

Don’t get in the middle of it, you’ll regret it.

Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"

by GoGregGo on Oct 19, 2010 7:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

mcgahee

espn insider said hes on the block (idk why) and possible destinations include GB and NO..altho seeing as we didnt pull a move for lynch i dont really see this happening

by packers34 on Oct 18, 2010 11:49 PM CDT reply actions  

McGahee doesn't have character problems.

I don’t know if he can handle a starting job again—for the whole season.

They want power. We want respect...

by SenorChuckles on Oct 19, 2010 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Same thing happened last year too though so I highly doubt anything happens.

by TrevorR on Oct 19, 2010 7:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here is one I just ran into on Sporting News:
Shaun Rogers.

Apparently he’s fallen out of favor with Holmgren and with Cleveland flailing he’s a candidate for a trade. With our lack of depth on DL maybe he’s something to look at.

by TrevorR on Oct 19, 2010 7:12 AM CDT reply actions  

Interesting. We do need defensive line depth, and getting Rogers would provide us with that, and also give us a pretty scare defensive line. We definitely wouldn’t be run on. I wonder what Holmgren would want for him.

by packallday555 on Oct 19, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

With injuries we could use a lot of help

Getting Vincent Jackson would be help the offense. He’d make up some for losing Finley, being a big, go-to, type of receiver. We could let Jones go to San Diego, where he’d play more and do well. Of course, there are other issues involved, but I’d like to see us with a big receiver.

Shaun Rogers would be a good pick-up. Cutting Wynn wouldn’t hurt the Pack at all. And Raji needs to get a break.

Barber, McGahee, Williams, Slaton, Bush, McFadden – any of the RBs would help, if MM can remember that handing the ball off is a legal play. They are different types of back, who would be able to contribute in different ways, but considering the contribution of our #3 RB, Nance, so far … Barber and Slaton could be possibly be had on the cheap; McFadden and Williams would probably demand too much in terms of draft choices.

Someone mentioned Asomugha. Contracts can always be renegotiated. Considering Woodson and Harris’ ages, having another excellent CB can never hurt. It would give Capers the ability to move Woodson around again. And Asomugha can do a lot of the same stuff.

And it seems to me that, considering injuries at LB, you’ve got to, at least, give Merriman and Thomas a try-out. Zombo and Simpkins are both feel-good kind of stories, but you don’t want your defense to depend on them to get the job done. Who knows, maybe Zombo can develop into an excellent OLB – I think that it is possible. But it ain’t gonna happen this year.

Oh, and I’d like to get Nick Mangold from the Jets. :)

by MikeDB on Oct 19, 2010 10:54 AM CDT reply actions  

anything else? I am going to start working on these for ya.

-TT

by TrevorR on Oct 19, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure, TT

While you’re at could you get a big, quick OT, like Jake Long or Joe Thomas or Ryan Clady or D. Ferguson, then we can move Bulaga to left guard and run the ball, and keep Rodgers alive.

by MikeDB on Oct 19, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

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